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sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Jake B

Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.  And use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most likely and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a computer would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more money which I don't have.

So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.

TIA,
Jake


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Re: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Nivek Krap

For studio use, software sampler. For Live performance, go with hardware.
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  Subject: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer


  Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.  And use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most likely and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a computer would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more money which I don't have.

  So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.

  TIA,
  Jake





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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Jake B

I plan on using it for both playing back phrases and as a drum module and
playing notes keyed off with my akai ax73.  Yeah i was somewhat worried
about the latency issue.  But I am planning on getting a faily beefy machine
if I go that way.

What are some decent samplers...sequencers...hardware wise

thanks again
Jake
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From: "Phil" <accession@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


> Hi Jake,
>
> Do you want to use the sampler to play back vocal phrases and drum loops,
or
> as a synth playing individual notes?
>
> For the former, a computer may prove easier to work with as it's visual
> although the filters in hardware samplers may prove better sounding.
Editing
> samples on a 17" computer monitor beats a miniture LCD any day!
>
> If it's the latter, then a hardware sampler may prove to be more reliable.
>
> For live use: Well for a start, playing sampled notes from a computer via
a
> MIDI keyboard often results in a slightly delayed reaction known as
latency.
> Also streaming multiple audio channels from a computer in a live situation
> can be tempting fate a little too much due to a crash.
>
> You may find the best compromise is a sampler that uses a computer for
> editing and managing samples, that are then dumped back into the hardware
> sampler via SCSI for playback.
>
> Hope this helps. I look forward to hearing other people's thoughts.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
> From: "Jake B" <drummer@...>
> Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:25:03 -0500
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Subject: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer
>
>
> Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This
> post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on
> it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an
> actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along
> those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.
And
> use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most
likely
> and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai
> ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a
computer
> would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware
> better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more
money
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> which I don't have.
>
> So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.
>
> TIA,
> Jake
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Nivek Krap

I tried Reaktor, DS-1, and Gigasampler. It seems like Giga has lowest latency,
but you have to get a sound card that is supported by Giga. Giga also supports
directsound (directx), which it means you can  use any sound card that supported
by directx, but even good Directsound card could have latency up to
50ms in Giga. Right now, in my personal studio, I am using Gigasampler with
Sound Forge. Sound Forge with DirectX & VST give you unbelievable editing power. 
My opinion, dumping through SCSI is too much work. By the time you make the sample,
and dump it through sampler, you might have forgotten your song idea.
I got rid of my Akai.  
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  From: Jake B 
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  Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


  I plan on using it for both playing back phrases and as a drum module and
  playing notes keyed off with my akai ax73.  Yeah i was somewhat worried
  about the latency issue.  But I am planning on getting a faily beefy machine
  if I go that way.

  What are some decent samplers...sequencers...hardware wise

  thanks again
  Jake
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  From: "Phil" <accession@...>
  To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
  Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


  > Hi Jake,
  >
  > Do you want to use the sampler to play back vocal phrases and drum loops,
  or
  > as a synth playing individual notes?
  >
  > For the former, a computer may prove easier to work with as it's visual
  > although the filters in hardware samplers may prove better sounding.
  Editing
  > samples on a 17" computer monitor beats a miniture LCD any day!
  >
  > If it's the latter, then a hardware sampler may prove to be more reliable.
  >
  > For live use: Well for a start, playing sampled notes from a computer via
  a
  > MIDI keyboard often results in a slightly delayed reaction known as
  latency.
  > Also streaming multiple audio channels from a computer in a live situation
  > can be tempting fate a little too much due to a crash.
  >
  > You may find the best compromise is a sampler that uses a computer for
  > editing and managing samples, that are then dumped back into the hardware
  > sampler via SCSI for playback.
  >
  > Hope this helps. I look forward to hearing other people's thoughts.
  >
  > Phil
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > From: "Jake B" <drummer@...>
  > Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
  > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:25:03 -0500
  > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
  > Subject: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer
  >
  >
  > Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This
  > post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on
  > it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an
  > actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along
  > those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.
  And
  > use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most
  likely
  > and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai
  > ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a
  computer
  > would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware
  > better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more
  money
  > which I don't have.
  >
  > So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.
  >
  > TIA,
  > Jake
  >
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Re: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Bastiaan van de Werk

Really consider the Hardware,

it allways works (no setting up software, reinstalling stuff etc) and is way
more reliable on stage. ANyway I am a big advocate of the hardware cause...i
allways prefer hardware over software...it's much more intuitive to play
around with real buttons, knobs, faders and leds than to stare at a
computerscreen cluttered with windows, trying to 'play' a virtual instrument
using your mouse. Price? Well, if you consider the price of a good Audio PC
& Software and Consider the resell value of hardware versus PC+Software
after say 10 years from now, hardware is a clear winner.

Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,

Bastiaan van de Werk
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake B <drummer@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 6:25 AM
Subject: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer


> Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This
post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on
it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an
actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along
those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.  And
use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most likely
and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai
ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a computer
would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware
better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more money
which I don't have.
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> So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.
>
> TIA,
> Jake
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Phil

Hi Jake,

Do you want to use the sampler to play back vocal phrases and drum loops, or
as a synth playing individual notes?

For the former, a computer may prove easier to work with as it's visual
although the filters in hardware samplers may prove better sounding. Editing
samples on a 17" computer monitor beats a miniture LCD any day!

If it's the latter, then a hardware sampler may prove to be more reliable.

For live use: Well for a start, playing sampled notes from a computer via a
MIDI keyboard often results in a slightly delayed reaction known as latency.
Also streaming multiple audio channels from a computer in a live situation
can be tempting fate a little too much due to a crash.

You may find the best compromise is a sampler that uses a computer for
editing and managing samples, that are then dumped back into the hardware
sampler via SCSI for playback.

Hope this helps. I look forward to hearing other people's thoughts.

Phil
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From: "Jake B" <drummer@...>
Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:25:03 -0500
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Subject: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer


Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This
post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on
it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an
actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along
those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.  And
use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most likely
and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai
ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a computer
would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware
better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more money
which I don't have.

So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.

TIA,
Jake


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Re: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Rolf Schild

I'm using the creamware powersampler card.
It has 3 shark dsp's and your computer cpu is almost not touched, almost no latency (better than most of the hardware samplers)
and it uses your pc memory + 24 bit 96 kHz audio input (I do all my audio recordings with this card), reads Akai S1000/3000 Wave Aiff Soundfont2.
Under Cubase 5.0 it works great. I guess you will have to pay 500 $

greetings 
Rolf

  Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.  And use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most likely and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a computer would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more money which I don't have.

    So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.

    TIA,
    Jake





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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Simon Engelhart

Fairly beefy or not, to kill latency you will need a reasonably expensive
soundcard, even the sw1000xg still has latency of around 87 ms.  Need it to
be around 10ms for live performance.

Simon
PIII 733
SW1000xg with VH board
DS2416
Mackie 1402
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake B" <drummer@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


> I plan on using it for both playing back phrases and as a drum module and
> playing notes keyed off with my akai ax73.  Yeah i was somewhat worried
> about the latency issue.  But I am planning on getting a faily beefy
machine
> if I go that way.
>
> What are some decent samplers...sequencers...hardware wise
>
> thanks again
> Jake
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil" <accession@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer
>
>
> > Hi Jake,
> >
> > Do you want to use the sampler to play back vocal phrases and drum
loops,
> or
> > as a synth playing individual notes?
> >
> > For the former, a computer may prove easier to work with as it's visual
> > although the filters in hardware samplers may prove better sounding.
> Editing
> > samples on a 17" computer monitor beats a miniture LCD any day!
> >
> > If it's the latter, then a hardware sampler may prove to be more
reliable.
> >
> > For live use: Well for a start, playing sampled notes from a computer
via
> a
> > MIDI keyboard often results in a slightly delayed reaction known as
> latency.
> > Also streaming multiple audio channels from a computer in a live
situation
> > can be tempting fate a little too much due to a crash.
> >
> > You may find the best compromise is a sampler that uses a computer for
> > editing and managing samples, that are then dumped back into the
hardware
> > sampler via SCSI for playback.
> >
> > Hope this helps. I look forward to hearing other people's thoughts.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Jake B" <drummer@...>
> > Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:25:03 -0500
> > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > Subject: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer
> >
> >
> > Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.
This
> > post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact
on
> > it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an
> > actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something
along
> > those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.
> And
> > use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most
> likely
> > and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a
akai
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> > ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a
> computer
> > would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware
> > better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more
> money
> > which I don't have.
> >
> > So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Jake
> >
> >
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by Ralph

Hi Jake
I use an AKAI MPC2000XL which is a sampler, sequencer and drum machine all
rolled into one.  I have it hooked up to my PC so I have the best off both
worlds.  If I want to edit a sample I can do it in the Akai or take it to
the PC for big screen editing.  I decided I wanted a hardware sampler but I
wanted something that would do minor sequencing for live work.  The MPC
works wicked as any song I make in Cubase can be transfered reasonable easy
to it.  Unfortunatly it is rather pricey compared to a new PC setup and Akai
are a bit tight with regards to the basic unit i.e. it has 2meg onboard and
only 1in 1out.  Which is useless until you get more ram and the various
optional i/o cards which boosts the price quite considerably.  Oh yeh did I
mention that you need storage for it aswell as there is no hd.  So add to
that a scsi zip drive or similar and wait for it .....more cash which takes
this option to well over a grand.   But as I first said it works very well
for me.  My mate also has an mpc but mainly uses an Akai S2800 sampler which
is a hell of a lot cheaper and has some quality effects.  It is only a
sampler mind but the S seris are industry standard and always have been
there's just something about the Akai sound!!  You can pick up Akai samplers
second hand 2 a penny at around the 200 mark which I think is cheaper than
the software sampler Gigasampler, so its worth a look.
Hope this was of some use, also check last months postings there is quite a
lot of info on the A4000/5000 samplers.
Ralph
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From: Nivek Krap <nivek_krap@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


> I tried Reaktor, DS-1, and Gigasampler. It seems like Giga has lowest
latency,
> but you have to get a sound card that is supported by Giga. Giga also
supports
> directsound (directx), which it means you can  use any sound card that
supported
> by directx, but even good Directsound card could have latency up to
> 50ms in Giga. Right now, in my personal studio, I am using Gigasampler
with
> Sound Forge. Sound Forge with DirectX & VST give you unbelievable editing
power.
> My opinion, dumping through SCSI is too much work. By the time you make
the sample,
> and dump it through sampler, you might have forgotten your song idea.
> I got rid of my Akai.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jake B
>   To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:58 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer
>
>
>   I plan on using it for both playing back phrases and as a drum module
and
>   playing notes keyed off with my akai ax73.  Yeah i was somewhat worried
>   about the latency issue.  But I am planning on getting a faily beefy
machine
>   if I go that way.
>
>   What are some decent samplers...sequencers...hardware wise
>
>   thanks again
>   Jake
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Phil" <accession@...>
>   To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
>   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:46 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer
>
>
>   > Hi Jake,
>   >
>   > Do you want to use the sampler to play back vocal phrases and drum
loops,
>   or
>   > as a synth playing individual notes?
>   >
>   > For the former, a computer may prove easier to work with as it's
visual
>   > although the filters in hardware samplers may prove better sounding.
>   Editing
>   > samples on a 17" computer monitor beats a miniture LCD any day!
>   >
>   > If it's the latter, then a hardware sampler may prove to be more
reliable.
>   >
>   > For live use: Well for a start, playing sampled notes from a computer
via
>   a
>   > MIDI keyboard often results in a slightly delayed reaction known as
>   latency.
>   > Also streaming multiple audio channels from a computer in a live
situation
>   > can be tempting fate a little too much due to a crash.
>   >
>   > You may find the best compromise is a sampler that uses a computer for
>   > editing and managing samples, that are then dumped back into the
hardware
>   > sampler via SCSI for playback.
>   >
>   > Hope this helps. I look forward to hearing other people's thoughts.
>   >
>   > Phil
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > From: "Jake B" <drummer@...>
>   > Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
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>   > it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting
an
>   > actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something
along
>   > those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.
>   And
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>   likely
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>   money
>   > which I don't have.
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Re: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by kees balde

Recently I had the same "problem"....buying sampler or a computer....
I chose for the sampler....because it's hardware. If you want to use a
computer for audio, the computer has at least 500 MHz and 128 Mb Ram (told
te me) and you'll have to buy an expensive audiocard....Those two things are
more expensive than a esi4000 with scsi hdd. And you can always connect your
sampler (esi2000, esi4000 too) by using scsi to your computer and cut/paste,
etc with SoundForge.
If you choose the pc option, I'll advice you to work with two Operating
Systems, one for music and one for other use. Your computer has less chance
to crash.



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Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:25 PM
Subject: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer


> Well I rarely post to the list but I am always reading and what not.  This
post really isn't about my wonderful AN1X but it might have some impact on
it.  I am looking into getting a sampler and debating between getting an
actual hardware sampler.  Thinking of a esi 4000 or 2000, something along
those lines.  Or if I should just build a computer dedicated to audio.  And
use some sampling programs and also use it to sequence.  I will most likely
and hopefully be using this set up live and it will have the An1x, a akai
ax73 and in time a drum pad system running in/out of it.  I think a computer
would be a more useful way to go but I really do like hardware
better...easier to use, less crashes....more buttons... but also more money
which I don't have.
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> So if any of you have any suggestions...I am open for ideas.
>
> TIA,
> Jake
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by teomi@cs.com

I don't agree that you need an expensive card for low latency....even the 
Creative AWE64 GOLD ($60) delivers no latency at all when playing soft synths 
live (giga, reality, Reaktor)
it is not so much the sound card but how your system is setup...you can get 
the best sound card out there but a poorly organized windows and hardware 
will deliver bad latency

i use AWEGOLD just for monitoring and midi recordiong of soft synths, and a 
high end RME Hammerfall card for actually recording and mixing. it works 
Killer!

Eitan Teomi.

<A HREF="http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi">http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi</A>

Re: [AN1x-list] sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by teomi@cs.com

there is no doubt that if you want a beefy computer and sampler software, 
it'll be more expensive than a sampler but it all depends with what you want 
to gain. i own an EMU E5000 Ultra with 128 MB of ram and it is more expensive 
than a computer with hardware to do the same thing.
a compuer with 128 MB of ram, win98se/ME a display card and a sound card 
shouldn't cost more than $1700. an Emu E5000 with 128MB ram is a little below 
$2000..and i don't see it sending emails :-)

as for operating systems, the ideal is to have seperate machines. but it is 
always a good idea to have either a seperate drive or partition in your 
system for audio files and a seperate partition or drive for windows and 
programs.

try to keep your audio machines free of internet browsing games etc, use a 
different drive or machine for that. a good thing is to have a computer with 
removable bays that you can always stick a new drive/system is and out in no 
time... money wise??? removable bays and frame cost around $30...


Eitan Teomi.

<A HREF="http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi">http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi</A>

Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-11 by redbrickdream

My only problem is this:

I can use the SBLive for the triggering of Giga or whatever else, but the outputs are so noisy on the SBLive.  Have you found a way around this?  I hear the mouse moving in the speakers and all sorts of other "rif-raf".  Unfortunately, I can't use the SPDIF out into the DSP Factory's SPDIF in because the SBLive is locked at 48k instead of 44.1k.  Makes me really angry.  Need to use the SBLive in order to take advantage of soundfonts that can use system memory, so the "superior" AWE Gold (because of its 44.1k digital outs - this is right isn't it?).  But I can't really use it at all because of the noise floor involved.

I suppose I could loop back internally, so that the analog and digital outs don't have to be used, and then point the resulting wav file out to a different audio port...but what a pain is that?!?!

Blades (just venting)

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: teomi@...
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:14:36 EST
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>I don't agree that you need an expensive card for low latency....even the 
>Creative AWE64 GOLD ($60) delivers no latency at all when playing soft synths 
>live (giga, reality, Reaktor)
>it is not so much the sound card but how your system is setup...you can get 
>the best sound card out there but a poorly organized windows and hardware 
>will deliver bad latency
>
>i use AWEGOLD just for monitoring and midi recordiong of soft synths, and a 
>high end RME Hammerfall card for actually recording and mixing. it works 
>Killer!
>
>Eitan Teomi.
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-12 by Reggie

Hey blades, I thought that the DSPF digi in can handle 44.1Khz, 48Khz
both at varispeed, I know that when I pipe DVD into it, it syncs to
48Khz, So why can't you fire the SBLive into the DSPF?



In message <200012111823.AA247661044@...>, redbrickdream
<redbrickdream@...> writes
>My only problem is this:
>
>I can use the SBLive for the triggering of Giga or whatever else, but the 
>outputs are so noisy on the SBLive.  Have you found a way around this?  I hear 
>the mouse moving in the speakers and all sorts of other "rif-raf".  
>Unfortunately, I can't use the SPDIF out into the DSP Factory's SPDIF in because 
>the SBLive is locked at 48k instead of 44.1k.  Makes me really angry.  Need to 
>use the SBLive in order to take advantage of soundfonts that can use system 
>memory, so the "superior" AWE Gold (because of its 44.1k digital outs - this is 
>right isn't it?).  But I can't really use it at all because of the noise floor 
>involved.
>
>I suppose I could loop back internally, so that the analog and digital outs 
>don't have to be used, and then point the resulting wav file out to a different 
>audio port...but what a pain is that?!?!
>
>Blades (just venting)
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: teomi@...
>Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:14:36 EST
>
>>I don't agree that you need an expensive card for low latency....even the 
>>Creative AWE64 GOLD ($60) delivers no latency at all when playing soft synths 
>>live (giga, reality, Reaktor)
>>it is not so much the sound card but how your system is setup...you can get 
>>the best sound card out there but a poorly organized windows and hardware 
>>will deliver bad latency
>>
>>i use AWEGOLD just for monitoring and midi recordiong of soft synths, and a 
>>high end RME Hammerfall card for actually recording and mixing. it works 
>>Killer!
>>
>>Eitan Teomi.
>>
>><A HREF="http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi">http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi</A>
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OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-12 by Jake B

Wow thanks to all the info...really helped out.  I have decided to ditch the computer idea at least for my main system.  Going to go for a sampler and sequencer setup and then use my exsisting computer to edit samples and such.  I am thinking about a low cost sequencer at first...possibly a alesis MMT-8 or something

Debateing about which sampler to go with....my budget isn't huge but not super small either.  I am thinking about an esi 2000 or esi 4000 or possibly going with an older akai.  What are your thought on a sampler choice?

thanks again,
Jake

Does anyone happen to have anything used in the line of samplers or reall hardware gear?


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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-12 by Blades

Well, yes, I think that's true, but I have to try that.  I know that if I
set the DSP Factory to anything but "SI" or "Serial Interconnect" for the
clock source, I cannot hear the sw1000xg at all.  Now, I suppose I could do
that, just to get the SBLive stuff to wav and then switch it back.  I need
to look into that as an option.  Not perfect, but an option that seems
somewhat better than what I have now.

The wordclock is the only place to set this, no?

I suppose this is getting a bit more off topic, isn't it.  Ooops.  Sorry
guys.  Well, at least it's still Yamaha. <g>

Blades

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


> Hey blades, I thought that the DSPF digi in can handle 44.1Khz, 48Khz
> both at varispeed, I know that when I pipe DVD into it, it syncs to
> 48Khz, So why can't you fire the SBLive into the DSPF?
>
>
>
> In message <200012111823.AA247661044@...>, redbrickdream
> <redbrickdream@...> writes
> >My only problem is this:
> >
> >I can use the SBLive for the triggering of Giga or whatever else, but the
> >outputs are so noisy on the SBLive.  Have you found a way around this?  I
hear
> >the mouse moving in the speakers and all sorts of other "rif-raf".
> >Unfortunately, I can't use the SPDIF out into the DSP Factory's SPDIF in
because
> >the SBLive is locked at 48k instead of 44.1k.  Makes me really angry.
Need to
> >use the SBLive in order to take advantage of soundfonts that can use
system
> >memory, so the "superior" AWE Gold (because of its 44.1k digital outs -
this is
> >right isn't it?).  But I can't really use it at all because of the noise
floor
> >involved.
> >
> >I suppose I could loop back internally, so that the analog and digital
outs
> >don't have to be used, and then point the resulting wav file out to a
different
> >audio port...but what a pain is that?!?!
> >
> >Blades (just venting)
> >
> >---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >From: teomi@...
> >Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:14:36 EST
> >
> >>I don't agree that you need an expensive card for low latency....even
the
> >>Creative AWE64 GOLD ($60) delivers no latency at all when playing soft
synths
> >>live (giga, reality, Reaktor)
> >>it is not so much the sound card but how your system is setup...you can
get
> >>the best sound card out there but a poorly organized windows and
hardware
> >>will deliver bad latency
> >>
> >>i use AWEGOLD just for monitoring and midi recordiong of soft synths,
and a
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> >>high end RME Hammerfall card for actually recording and mixing. it works
> >>Killer!
> >>
> >>Eitan Teomi.
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-12 by Blades

Ok, now I feel like I'm talking to myself.

Reggie...you are right.  If I set the DSP Factory to 48k, the sblive sounds
great.  The only problem is that I will still have to "record" the output of
the sblive (probably part by part)when I get ready to go to mix.  I suppose
that I can use the sblive in it's noisy connection so that I can compose,
then, switch to the digital out/in and switch to 48k and record the parts,
then switch back to SERIAL so that I have my sw1000xg digital connection
back.  I'll have to give this more thought.  Though I think I got that test
done in about 10 minutes <g>.

Blades

----- Original Message -----
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To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


> Well, yes, I think that's true, but I have to try that.  I know that if I
> set the DSP Factory to anything but "SI" or "Serial Interconnect" for the
> clock source, I cannot hear the sw1000xg at all.  Now, I suppose I could
do
> that, just to get the SBLive stuff to wav and then switch it back.  I need
> to look into that as an option.  Not perfect, but an option that seems
> somewhat better than what I have now.
>
> The wordclock is the only place to set this, no?
>
> I suppose this is getting a bit more off topic, isn't it.  Ooops.  Sorry
> guys.  Well, at least it's still Yamaha. <g>
>
> Blades
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reggie" <reggie@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer
>
>
> > Hey blades, I thought that the DSPF digi in can handle 44.1Khz, 48Khz
> > both at varispeed, I know that when I pipe DVD into it, it syncs to
> > 48Khz, So why can't you fire the SBLive into the DSPF?
> >
> >
> >
> > In message <200012111823.AA247661044@...>, redbrickdream
> > <redbrickdream@...> writes
> > >My only problem is this:
> > >
> > >I can use the SBLive for the triggering of Giga or whatever else, but
the
> > >outputs are so noisy on the SBLive.  Have you found a way around this?
I
> hear
> > >the mouse moving in the speakers and all sorts of other "rif-raf".
> > >Unfortunately, I can't use the SPDIF out into the DSP Factory's SPDIF
in
> because
> > >the SBLive is locked at 48k instead of 44.1k.  Makes me really angry.
> Need to
> > >use the SBLive in order to take advantage of soundfonts that can use
> system
> > >memory, so the "superior" AWE Gold (because of its 44.1k digital outs -
> this is
> > >right isn't it?).  But I can't really use it at all because of the
noise
> floor
> > >involved.
> > >
> > >I suppose I could loop back internally, so that the analog and digital
> outs
> > >don't have to be used, and then point the resulting wav file out to a
> different
> > >audio port...but what a pain is that?!?!
> > >
> > >Blades (just venting)
> > >
> > >---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > >From: teomi@...
> > >Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:14:36 EST
> > >
> > >>I don't agree that you need an expensive card for low latency....even
> the
> > >>Creative AWE64 GOLD ($60) delivers no latency at all when playing soft
> synths
> > >>live (giga, reality, Reaktor)
> > >>it is not so much the sound card but how your system is setup...you
can
> get
> > >>the best sound card out there but a poorly organized windows and
> hardware
> > >>will deliver bad latency
> > >>
> > >>i use AWEGOLD just for monitoring and midi recordiong of soft synths,
> and a
> > >>high end RME Hammerfall card for actually recording and mixing. it
works
> > >>Killer!
> > >>
> > >>Eitan Teomi.
> > >>
> > >><A
HREF="http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi">http://ourworld.cs.com/teomi</A>
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RE: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-12 by Neil Chambers

The filters on the Yamaha A series are pretty hot too. They are probably
unbeatable for sound weirding!
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-----Original Message-----
From: kees balde [mailto:c.p.balde@...]
Sent: 12 December 2000 20:52
To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


Well. I had the same choice...older Akai or Esi 2000 or 4000.
I chose the emi4000, because the filters are more powerfull than Akai
filters.
It really depends in what kind of music you make.....dance-->esi


----- Original Message -----
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To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 6:19 PM
Subject: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


> Wow thanks to all the info...really helped out.  I have decided to ditch
the computer idea at least for my main system.  Going to go for a sampler
and sequencer setup and then use my exsisting computer to edit samples and
such.  I am thinking about a low cost sequencer at first...possibly a alesis
MMT-8 or something
>
> Debateing about which sampler to go with....my budget isn't huge but not
super small either.  I am thinking about an esi 2000 or esi 4000 or possibly
going with an older akai.  What are your thought on a sampler choice?
>
> thanks again,
> Jake
>
> Does anyone happen to have anything used in the line of samplers or reall
hardware gear?
>
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-12 by kees balde

Well. I had the same choice...older Akai or Esi 2000 or 4000.
I chose the emi4000, because the filters are more powerfull than Akai
filters.
It really depends in what kind of music you make.....dance-->esi


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From: Jake B <drummer@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 6:19 PM
Subject: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer


> Wow thanks to all the info...really helped out.  I have decided to ditch
the computer idea at least for my main system.  Going to go for a sampler
and sequencer setup and then use my exsisting computer to edit samples and
such.  I am thinking about a low cost sequencer at first...possibly a alesis
MMT-8 or something
>
> Debateing about which sampler to go with....my budget isn't huge but not
super small either.  I am thinking about an esi 2000 or esi 4000 or possibly
going with an older akai.  What are your thought on a sampler choice?
>
> thanks again,
> Jake
>
> Does anyone happen to have anything used in the line of samplers or reall
hardware gear?
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Re: [AN1x-list] OT: sampler or computer

2000-12-13 by PinheadX

From: "redbrickdream" <redbrickdream@...>

> My only problem is this:
>
> I can use the SBLive for the triggering of Giga or whatever else, but the
outputs are so noisy on the SBLive.  Have you found a way around this?  I
hear the mouse moving in the speakers and all sorts of other "rif-raf".
> Blades (just venting)

Hi,

It sounds weird...I'm also using a SBLive (platinum) and I never heard my
mouse nor the "rif-raf" sound. Probably it's some kind of interference along
w/ a damaged conector or cable.
But I'm heaving problems w/ my AN1x samples...really noisy....I have to get
some more reliable cables..:-)

Cheers,
PinheadX.

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