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PLG150-AN + Wind Control

PLG150-AN + Wind Control

2000-09-28 by lars.l.arnwald@telia.se

Hello!
After mostly working with the VL70-m + EWI3000 for the last 2 years
I'm now shifting my attention to the PLG150-AN sitting in a MU100R. I
really like the sounds coming out of the PLG card. The whole concept
feels so much more straightforward than the often mystery shrouded
ins and outs of the VL70-m. Don't get me wrong, among other things
the VL does some emulations I've never heard before. Having worked
with analog stuff like the Oberheim SEM and Serge Modular since the
mid 70's, one definitely recognizes the different components. As a
fat bonus, many new great surprises take shape with the PLG. Still I
have noticed very few postings regarding AN1x/PLG150-AN in
conjunction with WC.

However when it comes to WC response, the PLG150-AN differs from all
other digital, analog, and hybrid models I've used together with my
different wind controllers, EWI, WX7, and Lyricon Wind Driver. It
doesn't respond well to the CC7 being generated by the wind sensor of
the EWI. It's impossible to get the same distinctive attacks like the
ones being generated by simple finger movements. It seems like the
whole attack portion disappears, just leaving a numb, very different
replica of the original sound. Fast tiki-tak-tata type of tounge
attacks has never been a problem with the VL70-m, it tracks easily.
Not so with the PLG. OK, when I turn off the EWI wind sensor output,
no problem. Then, the PLG is as fast as the VL70-m. I guess I can map
the wind sensor to do something different, but I'm really used to
control volume with it. Anybody has a remedy for this problem.

Regards,
Lars

RE: [AN1x-list] PLG150-AN + Wind Control

2000-09-28 by Gary Gregson

Hi Lars,

Be careful here that you understand what you are controlling with your WC!

If you send out CC7 then you are not controlling "VCA Volume" of the PLGAN
card.....you are in fact controlling the volume of the MU1000 XG part that
is hosting the PLG card (i.e. the PLG return level to the MU internal
mixer!). In fact I am not sure that PLGAN has a default response to CC7 (it
may even be filtered from the PLG stream)...since it will always be acted
upon by the PLG host! Furthermore the XG devices tend to have a relatively
slow response to CC7!

Hence you need to set up your WC to provide a different
controller.....preferably one that the MU XG part does not respond to. I
would suggest you configure your WC to send Breath (CC2). Thereafter, use
An1xEdit to setup the Matrix feature of the voice to map CC2 to VCA Volume
i.e.

Source=2
Parameter= VCA Volume
Depth = DIR (or whatever value you prefer)

You should then get the kind of response you are after.

Regards

Gary
Email:
gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme

-----Original Message-----
From: lars.l.arnwald@... [mailto:lars.l.arnwald@...]
Sent: 28 September 2000 05:01
To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
Subject: [AN1x-list] PLG150-AN + Wind Control


Hello!
After mostly working with the VL70-m + EWI3000 for the last 2 years
I'm now shifting my attention to the PLG150-AN sitting in a MU100R. I
really like the sounds coming out of the PLG card. The whole concept
feels so much more straightforward than the often mystery shrouded
ins and outs of the VL70-m. Don't get me wrong, among other things
the VL does some emulations I've never heard before. Having worked
with analog stuff like the Oberheim SEM and Serge Modular since the
mid 70's, one definitely recognizes the different components. As a
fat bonus, many new great surprises take shape with the PLG. Still I
have noticed very few postings regarding AN1x/PLG150-AN in
conjunction with WC.

However when it comes to WC response, the PLG150-AN differs from all
other digital, analog, and hybrid models I've used together with my
different wind controllers, EWI, WX7, and Lyricon Wind Driver. It
doesn't respond well to the CC7 being generated by the wind sensor of
the EWI. It's impossible to get the same distinctive attacks like the
ones being generated by simple finger movements. It seems like the
whole attack portion disappears, just leaving a numb, very different
replica of the original sound. Fast tiki-tak-tata type of tounge
attacks has never been a problem with the VL70-m, it tracks easily.
Not so with the PLG. OK, when I turn off the EWI wind sensor output,
no problem. Then, the PLG is as fast as the VL70-m. I guess I can map
the wind sensor to do something different, but I'm really used to
control volume with it. Anybody has a remedy for this problem.

Regards,
Lars

Re: PLG150-AN + Wind Control

2000-09-28 by jondl@jdlx-musique.com

Not to confuse things, as Gary's answer makes sense, but what about
using MIDI CC #011 'Expression' as an alternative to #002 'Breath'?

In my AN1x/ASR-X combo I use #007 only to set a maximum Volume limit
for each ASR-X Track and #011 to adjust the level of the individaul
sound(s) assigned to each Track. Since I'm no wind instrument player
I use CC #002 as one of my default MIDI CCs for real time
assignments, i.e., typically assigned to whatever sound or FX parm I
want to modulate in real time.

Jon

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--- In AN1x-list@egroups.com, "Gary Gregson" <gary@y...> wrote:
> Hi Lars,
>
> Be careful here that you understand what you are controlling with
your WC!
>
> If you send out CC7 then you are not controlling "VCA Volume" of
the PLGAN
> card.....you are in fact controlling the volume of the MU1000 XG
part that
> is hosting the PLG card (i.e. the PLG return level to the MU
internal
> mixer!). In fact I am not sure that PLGAN has a default response to
CC7 (it
> may even be filtered from the PLG stream)...since it will always be
acted
> upon by the PLG host! Furthermore the XG devices tend to have a
relatively
> slow response to CC7!
>
> Hence you need to set up your WC to provide a different
> controller.....preferably one that the MU XG part does not respond
to. I
> would suggest you configure your WC to send Breath (CC2).
Thereafter, use
> An1xEdit to setup the Matrix feature of the voice to map CC2 to VCA
Volume
> i.e.
>
> Source=2
> Parameter= VCA Volume
> Depth = DIR (or whatever value you prefer)
>
> You should then get the kind of response you are after.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
> Email:
> gary@y...
> http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lars.l.arnwald@t... [mailto:lars.l.arnwald@t...]
> Sent: 28 September 2000 05:01
> To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x-list] PLG150-AN + Wind Control
>
>
> Hello!
> After mostly working with the VL70-m + EWI3000 for the last 2 years
> I'm now shifting my attention to the PLG150-AN sitting in a MU100R.
I
> really like the sounds coming out of the PLG card. The whole concept
> feels so much more straightforward than the often mystery shrouded
> ins and outs of the VL70-m. Don't get me wrong, among other things
> the VL does some emulations I've never heard before. Having worked
> with analog stuff like the Oberheim SEM and Serge Modular since the
> mid 70's, one definitely recognizes the different components. As a
> fat bonus, many new great surprises take shape with the PLG. Still I
> have noticed very few postings regarding AN1x/PLG150-AN in
> conjunction with WC.
>
> However when it comes to WC response, the PLG150-AN differs from all
> other digital, analog, and hybrid models I've used together with my
> different wind controllers, EWI, WX7, and Lyricon Wind Driver. It
> doesn't respond well to the CC7 being generated by the wind sensor
of
> the EWI. It's impossible to get the same distinctive attacks like
the
> ones being generated by simple finger movements. It seems like the
> whole attack portion disappears, just leaving a numb, very different
> replica of the original sound. Fast tiki-tak-tata type of tounge
> attacks has never been a problem with the VL70-m, it tracks easily.
> Not so with the PLG. OK, when I turn off the EWI wind sensor output,
> no problem. Then, the PLG is as fast as the VL70-m. I guess I can
map
> the wind sensor to do something different, but I'm really used to
> control volume with it. Anybody has a remedy for this problem.
>
> Regards,
> Lars

RE: [AN1x-list] Re: PLG150-AN + Wind Control

2000-09-28 by Gary Gregson

Jon wrote
>>
Not to confuse things, as Gary's answer makes sense, but what about
using MIDI CC #011 'Expression' as an alternative to #002 'Breath'?
<<

Normally I would advise CC11 for this purpose too. However the host MU unit
responds to CC11 on the XG part (again adjudting the MU mixer return value
for that part and thus muddying the situation)....so its not a good CC to
choose for what the guy wanted to do with PLG150AN.

Therefore I would still advise the use of CC2 or some other controller that
XG does not respond to!

Regards

Gary
Email:
gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme

-----Original Message-----
From: jondl@... [mailto:jondl@...]
Sent: 28 September 2000 14:13
To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: PLG150-AN + Wind Control

Re: PLG150-AN + Wind Control

2000-09-28 by lars.l.arnwald@telia.se

Thank you so much Gary, what would we do without you! You really give
valuable info regarding MIDI routings to plug ins and their
respective hosts. I hadn't given it that much of a thought, but I
definitely will now.

I'll stick to the CC2, the EWI transmits it as opposed to CC11. Right
now I'm under a heavy workload with my job, so I have very little
time to try it but I will soon come back with a more detailed review
of the PLGAN's behaviour together with the EWI.

Thanks again,
Lars

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--- In AN1x-list@egroups.com, "Gary Gregson" <gary@y...> wrote:
> Jon wrote
> >>
> Not to confuse things, as Gary's answer makes sense, but what about
> using MIDI CC #011 'Expression' as an alternative to #002 'Breath'?
> <<
>
> Normally I would advise CC11 for this purpose too. However the host
MU unit
> responds to CC11 on the XG part (again adjudting the MU mixer
return value
> for that part and thus muddying the situation)....so its not a good
CC to
> choose for what the guy wanted to do with PLG150AN.
>
> Therefore I would still advise the use of CC2 or some other
controller that
> XG does not respond to!
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
> Email:
> gary@y...
> http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jondl@j... [mailto:jondl@j...]
> Sent: 28 September 2000 14:13
> To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: PLG150-AN + Wind Control