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Hey, all.

I recently picked up a very cheap usb-to-midi cable online to use an1x editor. Now, the device will not communicate with the system. In the editor, i am able to select in and out ports, listed as USB2.0-MIDI, but when trying to send or request data, I just get a message box with "Receive Error!"

I have tried installing the official Yamaha USB-MIDI drivers for my 64-bit version of Windows Vista, but even when following the setup walkthrough, I get an error 25001, telling me no device is connected.

Is the inexpensive cable unlikely to work or has anyone had success with one of these?

Thank you for any help.

I'm no MIDI expert by any stretch but just an off-beat idea here...

Seeing that the An1x was made during the time when Windows 2000 and XP were the current MS operating systems, perhaps you need an XP computer for the MIDI interface to work?  

I've read on other posts that discontinued synths work with operating systems of that era.  I've also read that VISTA doesn't work all that good with other outside devices (but have no personal experience here).  

Again, just an idea to consider. 

Best of luck...Let us know how things turn out. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: T 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:27 PM
  Subject: [AN1x] Unable to use device with usb to midi


    
  Hey, all.

  I recently picked up a very cheap usb-to-midi cable online to use an1x editor. Now, the device will not communicate with the system. In the editor, i am able to select in and out ports, listed as USB2.0-MIDI, but when trying to send or request data, I just get a message box with "Receive Error!"

  I have tried installing the official Yamaha USB-MIDI drivers for my 64-bit version of Windows Vista, but even when following the setup walkthrough, I get an error 25001, telling me no device is connected.

  Is the inexpensive cable unlikely to work or has anyone had success with one of these?

  Thank you for any help.



  

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Op 19-7-2013 04:27, T schreef:

> Is the inexpensive cable unlikely to work or has anyone had success with one of these?

It's extremely unlikely to work. Spend a little more money on a decent 
MIDI interface, and you'll be able to send bulk dumps.

The explanation is that MIDI interfaces have a hardware buffer in which 
they store data before sending it at 31.5 kbps to the synth. The 
computer can push data much quicker, and actually cannot push data at 
that exact speed.

The buffer doesn't have to be big, but with cheap MIDI cables the buffer 
is so small that it cannot accommodate the large amount of data you get 
in a bulk dump. This is why these cables are useless for sound editing 
and librarian duties.

- Peter

I am still using a USB to MIDI cable to save a load dumps from various synths (but didn't try with the AN1x yet) and that works well for me.

One thing I found confusing on the midi connector end at is you need to connect the cable OUT into the synth IN and the cable IN into the synth OUT, not IN into IN and OUT into OUT. I know this is logical but I first made this mistake.

If you didn't make this mistake then the issue must indeed be with the cables...

Jérôme

T <emailmule2009@...> a écrit :

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>Hey, all.
>
>I recently picked up a very cheap usb-to-midi cable online to use an1x editor. Now, the device will not communicate with the system. In the editor, i am able to select in and out ports, listed as USB2.0-MIDI, but when trying to send or request data, I just get a message box with "Receive Error!"
>
>I have tried installing the official Yamaha USB-MIDI drivers for my 64-bit version of Windows Vista, but even when following the setup walkthrough, I get an error 25001, telling me no device is connected.
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>Is the inexpensive cable unlikely to work or has anyone had success with one of these?
>
>Thank you for any help.
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I've fiddled with it a whole bunch and it definitely seems like this cable is worth the buck I spent on it. Maybe I'll use it in some arts & crafts project. Thanks for the info and suggestions, guys. Any suggestion for a cheap, reliable interface? This is actually the first time I've used MIDI instruments with systems and other instruments.

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Hi !
I use (successfully !) an inexpensive PRODIPE MIDI 1i/1o USB - MIDI 
cable with my AN1x and other synths with Windows XP SP3.
Beware of Vista, if its lifetime was so short there was some reason...
MIDI - USB cables or cards is a recurrent topic on this forum : some 
work and others not, whatever their brand or price. I guess there are 
some drivers issues with ones, or hardware buffer size on others. These 
can handle keyboard data (note, pitch bend ..) but not sysex messages.
Cheers.
J.F.

T a \ufffdcrit :

>
> Hey, all.
>
> I recently picked up a very cheap usb-to-midi cable online to use an1x 
> editor. Now, the device will not communicate with the system. In the 
> editor, i am able to select in and out ports, listed as USB2.0-MIDI, 
> but when trying to send or request data, I just get a message box with 
> "Receive Error!"
>
> I have tried installing the official Yamaha USB-MIDI drivers for my 
> 64-bit version of Windows Vista, but even when following the setup 
> walkthrough, I get an error 25001, telling me no device is connected.
>
> Is the inexpensive cable unlikely to work or has anyone had success 
> with one of these?
>
> Thank you for any help.
>
>

any of the midisports work great 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ted Ted 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:19 PM
  Subject: [AN1x] Re: Unable to use device with usb to midi


    
  I've fiddled with it a whole bunch and it definitely seems like this cable is worth the buck I spent on it. Maybe I'll use it in some arts & crafts project. Thanks for the info and suggestions, guys. Any suggestion for a cheap, reliable interface? This is actually the first time I've used MIDI instruments with systems and other instruments.

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As was mentioned here, cheap Midisport works great for me on Win7

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Ted Ted <emailmule2009@...> wrote:

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> I've fiddled with it a whole bunch and it definitely seems like this cable is worth the buck I spent on it. Maybe I'll use it in some arts & crafts project. Thanks for the info and suggestions, guys. Any suggestion for a cheap, reliable interface? This is actually the first time I've used MIDI instruments with systems and other instruments.
> 
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Op 19-7-2013 05:45, ConnMan schreef:

> Seeing that the An1x was made during the time when Windows 2000 and XP were the current MS operating systems, perhaps you need an XP computer for the MIDI interface to work?

No, MIDI is MIDI, and it comes from the early 1980's. It hasn't changed 
in over 30 years. There are few interfaces with such a longevity, other 
than power cables.

> I've read on other posts that discontinued synths work with operating systems of that era.  I've also read that VISTA doesn't work all that good with other outside devices (but have no personal experience here).

There used to be the "To Host" cables that you find on certain devices, 
such as the Yamaha 01v digital mixer. This is essentially an RS232 
interface with a special connector (mini-DIN) on one end.

MIDI interfaces from that era may not work with Vista, 7 and 8, but 
that's probably because they require the host computer to do accurate 
timing, or they simply never updated their drivers for the new OS. But 
it has nothing to do with the MIDI connection itself.

- Peter

Thanks for clarifying.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Korsten 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] Unable to use device with usb to midi


    
  Op 19-7-2013 05:45, ConnMan schreef:

  > Seeing that the An1x was made during the time when Windows 2000 and XP were the current MS operating systems, perhaps you need an XP computer for the MIDI interface to work?

  No, MIDI is MIDI, and it comes from the early 1980's. It hasn't changed 
  in over 30 years. There are few interfaces with such a longevity, other 
  than power cables.

  > I've read on other posts that discontinued synths work with operating systems of that era. I've also read that VISTA doesn't work all that good with other outside devices (but have no personal experience here).

  There used to be the "To Host" cables that you find on certain devices, 
  such as the Yamaha 01v digital mixer. This is essentially an RS232 
  interface with a special connector (mini-DIN) on one end.

  MIDI interfaces from that era may not work with Vista, 7 and 8, but 
  that's probably because they require the host computer to do accurate 
  timing, or they simply never updated their drivers for the new OS. But 
  it has nothing to do with the MIDI connection itself.

  - Peter


  

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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote:
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> Op 19-7-2013 05:45, ConnMan schreef:
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> > Seeing that the An1x was made during the time when Windows 2000 and XP were the current MS operating systems, perhaps you need an XP computer for the MIDI interface to work?
>
> No, MIDI is MIDI

The other half of the premise is also totally false. The AN1x was produced between 1997 and 1998, a time when Windows 95/98 ruled and 2000/XP were years away.

Peace, brothers & sisters !
AN1x edit runs well under Windows XP (and earlier versions of course). 
Never tried with Vista (bullshit...) or Seven (much better).
You can install AN1x edit using an option in the setup menu, something 
like "istall as" (i don't know the exact terms in english, i have a 
"french" windows...), and start it the same. I guess it will work, but 
i've never tried. If someone has tried the trick i would be happy to 
know the results...
MIDI is MIDI : of course, troubles come with SOME MIDI - USB interfaces. 
The reason(s) is (are) unclear and likely depend on the "faulty" 
interface : driver compatibility ? buffer size ? others ? And there is 
no "rule of the thumb" to choose it, cheap interfaces can work as 
expensive ones don't, as the opposite.
On the forum site i remember there is a "MIDI interface topic", where 
the "good" and "bad" ones are listed.
Cheers.
J.F.

db00451 a \ufffdcrit :

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> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote:
> >
> > Op 19-7-2013 05:45, ConnMan schreef:
> >
> > > Seeing that the An1x was made during the time when Windows 2000 
> and XP were the current MS operating systems, perhaps you need an XP 
> computer for the MIDI interface to work?
> >
> > No, MIDI is MIDI
>
> The other half of the premise is also totally false. The AN1x was 
> produced between 1997 and 1998, a time when Windows 95/98 ruled and 
> 2000/XP were years away.
>
>

Is that cheap usb-to-midi cable made by Yamaha? If no, then why are you trying to install Yamaha drivers for it? 
 These cheap usb-midi cables are class compliant & don't need drivers installed. Furthermore, no one can guarantee or help if these things don't work with some older synths. Buy yourself a decent midi interface with recent drivers. Midisport or Motu for good example. 

--- In an1x-list@yahoogroups.com, <emailmule2009@...> wrote:

 Hey, all.



I recently picked up a very cheap usb-to-midi cable online to use an1x editor. Now, the device will not communicate with the system. In the editor, i am able to select in and out ports, listed as USB2.0-MIDI, but when trying to send or request data, I just get a message box with "Receive Error!"



I have tried installing the official Yamaha USB-MIDI drivers for my 64-bit version of Windows Vista, but even when following the setup walkthrough, I get an error 25001, telling me no device is connected.



Is the inexpensive cable unlikely to work or has anyone had success with one of these?



Thank you for any help.

I have used the an1x editor on windows XP, 7 & 8 all working fine with my midi-usb interface. (edirol um-2)
But the error sounds familiar to me, I had the same with my microkorg.

At the end I found out that the korg could not receive or send midi messages. Even when it worked with other synths. After changing the settings it worked fine. Maybe the AN1x is not properly set to send or receive midi messages.?

Hi I'm late getting into this, but I can't use my MIDI interface with the AN1X on Windows 8. Yamaha has a driver site that supposedly will allow the AN1X to work with Windows 8. I haven't had any luck with it at all.

Jimmy

Hi Jimmy,

Did you read my post in this thread? What kind of midi interface do you have?

Yes Tom I have read your post. Well written. Thank you. I've tried an M Audio uno and another usb interface. Neither work. I'm using Reaper for a workstation. Both interfaces worked 6 months ago with Windows Vista.and Reaper.

I really hate Windows 8, but I digres...

Jimmy

I allways sticked to Windows XP and everything keeps working. My friends with later Windows versions all have some problems :(

@Jimmy: Did you install the Uno's driver? (never use the plug n play thing for sysex!)

http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=5cd8b889ce691ca8d6b1fa6e44f1c9ac

There are M-Audio drivers for Windows 8, both 32 and 64 bit: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support&tab=driver&serie_ID=4&PID=4f73c099681cb8ca6b0e91aca5d85b56&OS=x122#tabs

Thank you. I'm away from theAN1x right now (I work away from home) but I'll write and let people know if it works.

Jimmy