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Hi,

Aswell as my problems with the pops and clicks when turning the AN1x 
on I have another problem.
The problem is that when I am editing sounds by turning certain knobs 
in the VCF page the values move about. An example I have is when I set 
the value on the filter cutoff to 0 it automatically moves back up to 
97 and moves between 97 and 91. It also affects the sound.

I am findng this very annoying as it is depriving me from editing 
sounds.

I am a very unhappy man:(


Arthur

Hello Arthur!
this new problem is not very serious : the pots must be dirty, just 
clean them (inside!) with a contact cleaner sold in any electronics 
shop. Avoid solvents such as alcohol, trichlorethylene or thinners ...
Once you have opened your synth to clean the pots, check if all the card 
connectors, ribbon cables are firmly plugged ... maybe a bad contact 
somewhere could lead to this kind of "random value" problems .
I hope that it helps !
J.F.

Arthur Alexander Crichton a \ufffdcrit :

>Hi,
>
>Aswell as my problems with the pops and clicks when turning the AN1x 
>on I have another problem.
>The problem is that when I am editing sounds by turning certain knobs 
>in the VCF page the values move about. An example I have is when I set 
>the value on the filter cutoff to 0 it automatically moves back up to 
>97 and moves between 97 and 91. It also affects the sound.
>
>I am findng this very annoying as it is depriving me from editing 
>sounds.
>
>I am a very unhappy man:(
>
>
>Arthur
>
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Thanks for all of the replies but I have noticed that when I do an 
entire factory reset and load the original sounds the problem is 
solved until I load in the sounds from AN1xEdit again where I get 
the problem again with the VCF cutoff behaving very strangly.

I wonder if its the sounds that I am sending from AN1xEdit to my 
AN1x which is causing the problem with the VCF cutoff?

Another thing I have found out is that I created a sweep sound on 
the AN1x and saved it to AN1xEdit on my computer. When I go to load 
that sound back to my AN1x from the computer it doesn't sound like 
it should because the VCF cutoff goes crazy.


Arthur



 --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Arthur!
> this new problem is not very serious : the pots must be dirty, 
just 
> clean them (inside!) with a contact cleaner sold in any 
electronics 
> shop. Avoid solvents such as alcohol, trichlorethylene or 
thinners ...
> Once you have opened your synth to clean the pots, check if all 
the card 
> connectors, ribbon cables are firmly plugged ... maybe a bad 
contact 
> somewhere could lead to this kind of "random value" problems .
> I hope that it helps !
> J.F.
> 
> Arthur Alexander Crichton a écrit :
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >Aswell as my problems with the pops and clicks when turning the 
AN1x 
> >on I have another problem.
> >The problem is that when I am editing sounds by turning certain 
knobs 
> >in the VCF page the values move about. An example I have is when 
I set 
> >the value on the filter cutoff to 0 it automatically moves back 
up to 
> >97 and moves between 97 and 91. It also affects the sound.
> >
> >I am findng this very annoying as it is depriving me from editing 
> >sounds.
> >
> >I am a very unhappy man:(
> >
> >
> >Arthur
> >
> >
> >
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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" <ac010b4919@...> 
wrote:
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> Thanks for all of the replies but I have noticed that when I do an 
> entire factory reset and load the original sounds the problem is 
> solved until I load in the sounds from AN1xEdit again where I get 
> the problem again with the VCF cutoff behaving very strangly.
> 
> I wonder if its the sounds that I am sending from AN1xEdit to my 
> AN1x which is causing the problem with the VCF cutoff?

Which bank of user Voices are you loading into the AN1x? And did ou download the bank 
from the Files section for AN1x-list here at Yahoo! GRoups or elsewhere?


> Another thing I have found out is that I created a sweep sound on 
> the AN1x and saved it to AN1xEdit on my computer. When I go to load 
> that sound back to my AN1x from the computer it doesn't sound like 
> it should because the VCF cutoff goes crazy.

Why don't you load an example in .AN1 formate into the Voices directory of the Files 
section so we can see what
s up?

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files


Jon

I am beginning to wonder if the problem is due to a bug in my AN1x 
as its very tempremental - one minute the sounds are ok with the VCF 
cutoff behaving itself and then the next minute they are sounding 
strange with the VCF cutoff going back to value 97 when I try to 
turn it to value 0 and so on.


Arthur


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" 
<ac010b4919@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all of the replies but I have noticed that when I do 
an 
> > entire factory reset and load the original sounds the problem is 
> > solved until I load in the sounds from AN1xEdit again where I 
get 
> > the problem again with the VCF cutoff behaving very strangly.
> > 
> > I wonder if its the sounds that I am sending from AN1xEdit to my 
> > AN1x which is causing the problem with the VCF cutoff?
> 
> Which bank of user Voices are you loading into the AN1x? And did 
ou download the bank 
> from the Files section for AN1x-list here at Yahoo! GRoups or 
elsewhere?
> 
> 
> > Another thing I have found out is that I created a sweep sound 
on 
> > the AN1x and saved it to AN1xEdit on my computer. When I go to 
load 
> > that sound back to my AN1x from the computer it doesn't sound 
like 
> > it should because the VCF cutoff goes crazy.
> 
> Why don't you load an example in .AN1 formate into the Voices 
directory of the Files 

> section so we can see what
> s up?
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files
> 
> 
> Jon
>

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" <ac010b4919@...> 
wrote:
>
> I am beginning to wonder if the problem is due to a bug in my AN1x 
> as its very tempremental - 

Arthur,

It's not a bug, it's typical wear and tear. As you've probably learned by now, but I'll restate 
it anyway, turning a Control knob while pressing it allows for fine editing adjustments, i.e., 
allows you to dial in a specific value - simply turning a Control knob left or right allows for 
a larger increase or decrease in the value range.

If the previous owner was a bit ham fisted, then the encoders on your AN1x may have 
been subjected to more wear and tear then necessary. They tend to become a little jumpy 
under ordinary use - particularly Control Knobs that are frequently accessed such as 
Assign Knobs 5 & 6 - which happen to be Filter Cutoff and Resonance. The best thing to 
do is to follow the recommendations put forward by Jeff and Bob and clean the encoders 
using the suggested solvent. This is not untypical when purchasing used gear :-/


> one minute the sounds are ok with the VCF 
> cutoff behaving itself and then the next minute they are sounding 
> strange with the VCF cutoff going back to value 97 when I try to 
> turn it to value 0 and so on.

You've restated the problem and it's understood, but you didn't answer the inquiries for 
more information from your previous email:

Is this happening all the time, regardless of whether it is the Factory Voices or User 
Voices? If so, then try and clean the encoders as suggested.

If this is happening only on select Voices, then it is possible some data corruption might 
have occurred during the SysEx transfer or perhaps there is an erroneous controller 
mapped to the VCF Cutoff that you are not aware of. Providing a specific example that 
somebody might be able to reproduce would allow further effort to be made in 
troubleshooting this issue. Some details on your system might be helpful too - such as the 
type, make and model of MIDI Interface you are using and which set of drivers are in play.

Regards,

Jon

Hi, Jon I have noticed that when I switch the AN1x on after it being 
off for a while the edit indicator appears on the display screen 
even though I have not touched any buttons or knobs. That is when 
the strange behavour of the VCF cutoff happens and the sounds act 
strange. The OS version of my AN1x is v1.02.


Arthur


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" 
<ac010b4919@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I am beginning to wonder if the problem is due to a bug in my 
AN1x 
> > as its very tempremental - 
> 
> Arthur,
> 
> It's not a bug, it's typical wear and tear. As you've probably 
learned by now, but I'll restate 
> it anyway, turning a Control knob while pressing it allows for 
fine editing adjustments, i.e., 
> allows you to dial in a specific value - simply turning a Control 
knob left or right allows for 
> a larger increase or decrease in the value range.
> 
> If the previous owner was a bit ham fisted, then the encoders on 
your AN1x may have 
> been subjected to more wear and tear then necessary. They tend to 
become a little jumpy 
> under ordinary use - particularly Control Knobs that are 
frequently accessed such as 
> Assign Knobs 5 & 6 - which happen to be Filter Cutoff and 
Resonance. The best thing to 
> do is to follow the recommendations put forward by Jeff and Bob 
and clean the encoders 
> using the suggested solvent. This is not untypical when purchasing 
used gear :-/
> 
> 
> > one minute the sounds are ok with the VCF 
> > cutoff behaving itself and then the next minute they are 
sounding 
> > strange with the VCF cutoff going back to value 97 when I try to 
> > turn it to value 0 and so on.
> 
> You've restated the problem and it's understood, but you didn't 
answer the inquiries for 
> more information from your previous email:
> 
> Is this happening all the time, regardless of whether it is the 
Factory Voices or User 
> Voices? If so, then try and clean the encoders as suggested.
> 
> If this is happening only on select Voices, then it is possible 
some data corruption might 
> have occurred during the SysEx transfer or perhaps there is an 
erroneous controller 
> mapped to the VCF Cutoff that you are not aware of. Providing a 
specific example that 
> somebody might be able to reproduce would allow further effort to 
be made in 
> troubleshooting this issue. Some details on your system might be 
helpful too - such as the 
> type, make and model of MIDI Interface you are using and which set 
of drivers are in play.

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jon
>

To answer your question to what MIDI interface I am using, I am 
using the MIDIMAN USB 2X2 MIDISPORT with the latest drivers. The 
program I am using is AN1xEdit V1.021.


Arthur

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" 
<ac010b4919@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Jon I have noticed that when I switch the AN1x on after it 
being 
> off for a while the edit indicator appears on the display screen 
> even though I have not touched any buttons or knobs. That is when 
> the strange behavour of the VCF cutoff happens and the sounds act 
> strange. The OS version of my AN1x is v1.02.
> 
> 
> Arthur
> 
> 
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" 
> <ac010b4919@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am beginning to wonder if the problem is due to a bug in my 
> AN1x 
> > > as its very tempremental - 
> > 
> > Arthur,
> > 
> > It's not a bug, it's typical wear and tear. As you've probably 
> learned by now, but I'll restate 
> > it anyway, turning a Control knob while pressing it allows for 
> fine editing adjustments, i.e., 
> > allows you to dial in a specific value - simply turning a 
Control 
> knob left or right allows for 
> > a larger increase or decrease in the value range.
> > 
> > If the previous owner was a bit ham fisted, then the encoders on 
> your AN1x may have 
> > been subjected to more wear and tear then necessary. They tend 
to 
> become a little jumpy 
> > under ordinary use - particularly Control Knobs that are 
> frequently accessed such as 
> > Assign Knobs 5 & 6 - which happen to be Filter Cutoff and 
> Resonance. The best thing to 
> > do is to follow the recommendations put forward by Jeff and Bob 
> and clean the encoders 
> > using the suggested solvent. This is not untypical when 
purchasing 
> used gear :-/
> > 
> > 
> > > one minute the sounds are ok with the VCF 
> > > cutoff behaving itself and then the next minute they are 
> sounding 
> > > strange with the VCF cutoff going back to value 97 when I try 
to 
> > > turn it to value 0 and so on.
> > 
> > You've restated the problem and it's understood, but you didn't 
> answer the inquiries for 
> > more information from your previous email:
> > 
> > Is this happening all the time, regardless of whether it is the 
> Factory Voices or User 
> > Voices? If so, then try and clean the encoders as suggested.
> > 
> > If this is happening only on select Voices, then it is possible 
> some data corruption might 
> > have occurred during the SysEx transfer or perhaps there is an 
> erroneous controller 
> > mapped to the VCF Cutoff that you are not aware of. Providing a 
> specific example that 
> > somebody might be able to reproduce would allow further effort 
to 
> be made in 
> > troubleshooting this issue. Some details on your system might be 
> helpful too - such as the 
> > type, make and model of MIDI Interface you are using and which 
set 

> of drivers are in play.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Jon
> >
>

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" <ac010b4919@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi, Jon I have noticed that when I switch the AN1x on after it being 
> off for a while the edit indicator appears on the display screen 
> even though I have not touched any buttons or knobs. 

Because the AN1x is smart enough to remember your last edit when powered off. This is 
normal behaviour.

Try this:

Select any Voice - the EDIT indicator will not be displayed.

Choose VCF from the Knob Parameter Group. Alter the VCF Cutoff value - the EDIT 
indicator will be displayed.

Power off your AN1x.

Power on you AN1x - the EDIT indicator will be displayed and your last edit will be 
retained in memory.

Select another Voice - the EDIT indicator will not be displayed.

 Power off your AN1x.

Power on you AN1x - the EDIT indicator will not be displayed (obviously because you were 
not inEDIT mode when it was powered off!)

> That is when 
> the strange behavour of the VCF cutoff happens and the sounds act 
> strange. The OS version of my AN1x is v1.02.

The OS Version has nothing to do with this issue.

Jon

Thanks for your reply, but I haven't edited anything before I 
switched the synth off. All the presets I go through on the synth 
have the edit indicator on the display screen even though I have 
touched no controls and buttons and what I have already said happens.

I did another factory reset and the problem seems to have 
disappeared so far even though I hear some filter LFO sounds on a 
couple of basic string pad presets that should not be there.

I will post the AN1xEdit file to you and see if that happens on your 
machine.


Arthur


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" 
<ac010b4919@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Jon I have noticed that when I switch the AN1x on after it 
being 
> > off for a while the edit indicator appears on the display screen 
> > even though I have not touched any buttons or knobs. 
> 
> Because the AN1x is smart enough to remember your last edit when 
powered off. This is 
> normal behaviour.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> Select any Voice - the EDIT indicator will not be displayed.
> 
> Choose VCF from the Knob Parameter Group. Alter the VCF Cutoff 
value - the EDIT 
> indicator will be displayed.
> 
> Power off your AN1x.
> 
> Power on you AN1x - the EDIT indicator will be displayed and your 
last edit will be 
> retained in memory.
> 
> Select another Voice - the EDIT indicator will not be displayed.
> 
>  Power off your AN1x.
> 
> Power on you AN1x - the EDIT indicator will not be displayed 
(obviously because you were 
> not inEDIT mode when it was powered off!)
> 
> > That is when 
> > the strange behavour of the VCF cutoff happens and the sounds 
act 

> > strange. The OS version of my AN1x is v1.02.
> 
> The OS Version has nothing to do with this issue.
> 
> Jon
>

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" <ac010b4919@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply, but I haven't edited anything before I 
> switched the synth off. All the presets I go through on the synth 
> have the edit indicator on the display screen even though I have 
> touched no controls and buttons and what I have already said happens.

Of course you realize transfering a Voice from AN1xEdit will place the program location 
into which you transfered into EDIT mode, right?


> 
> I did another factory reset and the problem seems to have 
> disappeared so far even though I hear some filter LFO sounds on a 
> couple of basic string pad presets that should not be there.

You mean filter LFO modulation - and which Voices specifically? How do you know the 
modulation should not present? Is your Mod Wheel turned up by any chance?
 

> I will post the AN1xEdit file to you and see if that happens on your 
> machine.

Okay.


Jon

Could it be a sticky ribbon? 

Jon <jondl_2000@...> wrote:                                  --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Alexander Crichton" <ac010b4919@...> 
 wrote:
 >
 > Thanks for your reply, but I haven't edited anything before I 
 > switched the synth off. All the presets I go through on the synth 
 > have the edit indicator on the display screen even though I have 
 > touched no controls and buttons and what I have already said happens.
 
 Of course you realize transfering a Voice from AN1xEdit will place the program location 
 into which you transfered into EDIT mode, right?
 
 > 
 > I did another factory reset and the problem seems to have 
 > disappeared so far even though I hear some filter LFO sounds on a 
 > couple of basic string pad presets that should not be there.
 
 You mean filter LFO modulation - and which Voices specifically? How do you know the 
 modulation should not present? Is your Mod Wheel turned up by any chance?
  
 
 > I will post the AN1xEdit file to you and see if that happens on your 
 > machine.
 
 Okay.
 
 Jon
 
 
     
                       

 		
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  Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set at 0) with the AN1x?
  I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start of the wave resetting at the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting in the DX7 that would have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect. 
  Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I overdone the feedback or something?
   
  Regards
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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hill <m_moog8925@...> wrote:
>   Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set at 0) with the AN1x?

No, perhaps somebody else has...

>   I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start of the wave resetting at 
the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting in the DX7 that would 
have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect. 
>   Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I overdone the feedback 
or something?
>    

Might be too much Feedback in the VCA ;-) or it might be you have LFO Reset set to 
KeyOn and the value for LFO Speed or Depth are way too high for the sound you are 
aiming for.

Regards,

Jon

Rob Hill a \ufffdcrit :

>   
> 
>  Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set at 0) with the AN1x?
>  I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start of the wave resetting at the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting in the DX7 that would have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect. 
>  Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I overdone the feedback or something?
>   
>  Regards
>  Rob. 
>
Hello Rob !
have a look at the feedback setting is a good idea.
The synthesis method of the DX7 was very different with FM (a sine wave 
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of analog synths  (the classic waveforms are data tables send to a DSP 
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I never notice such glitches but i will lend my ears now ....
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Thanks for the response but it seems to be more noticable on bassier sounds and dissapears when the VCF is turned all the way down so its something before the filter or the filter itself perhaps.
It can be solved by softening the main VCA attack but I'd like to know why its happening in the forst place.
The same thing happens in mono mode so its not running out of polyphony.

:-S
 

Jon <jondl_2000@...> wrote:                                  --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hill <m_moog8925@...> wrote:
 >   Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set at 0) with the AN1x?
 
 No, perhaps somebody else has...
 
 >   I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start of the wave resetting at 
 the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting in the DX7 that would 
 have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect. 
 >   Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I overdone the feedback 
 or something?
 >    
 
 Might be too much Feedback in the VCA ;-) or it might be you have LFO Reset set to 
 KeyOn and the value for LFO Speed or Depth are way too high for the sound you are 
 aiming for.
 
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Thanks Jeff but I know the DX7 uses operators (was my first of many synths) but a similar thing happend on the DX as a side effect of the waveform resetting from the same point on every note trigger (very noticable on soft percussive sounds) and not freely drifting which there was a setting for. 

I'm 50% sure it could be something to do with the VCF attack. 

Could it be a latency fault between the two envelopes?


Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:                                  Rob Hill a écrit :
 
 >   
 > 
 >  Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set at 0) with the AN1x?
 >  I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start of the wave resetting at the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting in the DX7 that would have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect. 
 >  Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I overdone the feedback or something?
 >   
 >  Regards
 >  Rob. 
 >
 Hello Rob !
 have a look at the feedback setting is a good idea.
 The synthesis method of the DX7 was very different with FM (a sine wave 
 modulating the frequency of another one in something virtual called an 
 operator), the AN1X mimicks or re creates digitally the VCO-VCF-VCA path 
 of analog synths  (the classic waveforms are data tables send to a DSP 
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> Thanks for the response but it seems to be more noticable on bassier sounds and 
dissapears when the VCF is turned all the way down so its something before the filter or 
the filter itself perhaps.

Do you mean when the VCF Cutoff is reduced or the Envelope Depth?

Can you provide a specific Voice as an example?


Jon

On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Rob Hill wrote:

> Thanks for the response but it seems to be more noticable on  
> bassier sounds and dissapears when the VCF is turned all the way  
> down so its something before the filter or the filter itself perhaps.
> It can be solved by softening the main VCA attack but I'd like to  
> know why its happening in the forst place.
> The same thing happens in mono mode so its not running out of  
> polyphony.

Ok, now I've noticed this in a lot of synths, and not just the an1x,  
if you have the VCA's volume up to 127 it seems to pop at the  
beginning of the note. I've solved this by not having it up to 127,  
and if it still seems low, then I'll leave it high and just roll off  
the attack just a tiny bit.  But generally having the VCA not at 127  
seems to help in most cases.
>
> :-S
>
>
> Jon <jondl_2000@...> wrote:                                   
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hill <m_moog8925@...> wrote:
>>   Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set  
>> at 0) with the AN1x?
>
>  No, perhaps somebody else has...
>
>>   I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start  
>> of the wave resetting at
>  the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting  
> in the DX7 that would
>  have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect.
>>   Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I  
>> overdone the feedback
>  or something?
>>
>
>  Might be too much Feedback in the VCA ;-) or it might be you have  
> LFO Reset set to
>  KeyOn and the value for LFO Speed or Depth are way too high for  
> the sound you are
>  aiming for.
>
>  Regards,
>
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Ahh yes turning down the VCA does help although doesn't totally solve the problem. You don't need to roll off as much attack this way either.

Many thanks

Rob. ;-)

Pete Nalda <lpnalda@...> wrote:                                  
 On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Rob Hill wrote:
 
 > Thanks for the response but it seems to be more noticable on  
 > bassier sounds and dissapears when the VCF is turned all the way  
 > down so its something before the filter or the filter itself perhaps.
 > It can be solved by softening the main VCA attack but I'd like to  
 > know why its happening in the forst place.
 > The same thing happens in mono mode so its not running out of  
 > polyphony.
 
 Ok, now I've noticed this in a lot of synths, and not just the an1x,  
 if you have the VCA's volume up to 127 it seems to pop at the  
 beginning of the note. I've solved this by not having it up to 127,  
 and if it still seems low, then I'll leave it high and just roll off  
 the attack just a tiny bit.  But generally having the VCA not at 127  
 seems to help in most cases.
 >
 > :-S
 >
 >
 > Jon <jondl_2000@...> wrote:                                   
 > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hill <m_moog8925@...> wrote:
 >>   Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set  
 >> at 0) with the AN1x?
 >
 >  No, perhaps somebody else has...
 >
 >>   I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start  
 >> of the wave resetting at
 >  the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting  
 > in the DX7 that would
 >  have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect.
 >>   Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I  
 >> overdone the feedback
 >  or something?
 >>
 >
 >  Might be too much Feedback in the VCA ;-) or it might be you have  
 > LFO Reset set to
 >  KeyOn and the value for LFO Speed or Depth are way too high for  
 > the sound you are
 >  aiming for.
 >
 >  Regards,
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 >  Jon
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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hill <m_moog8925@...> wrote:
>
>...it seems to be more noticable on bassier sounds and dissapears 
when the VCF is turned all the way down so its something before the 
filter or the filter itself perhaps.
> It can be solved by softening the main VCA attack but I'd like to 
know why its happening in the first place.
> The same thing happens in mono mode so its not running out of 
polyphony.
> 
> :-S
>  
 Just a guess:  a clicking attack sound can be easily produced if the 
FEG has an abrupt attack and decay, and the FEG depth is set high. 
Sometimes this is used for the attack on a Pick Bass, or the keyclick 
on an Organ patch.  -Steve

Rob,
I'll have to check and see what my patches are set at on the VCA  
volume.  In the meantime, you may even have to pulll  them down a bit  
more.  Also, do check your feedback setting as well.  hope this helps  
a little and let me know if you need me to check those settings.

On Sep 17, 2006, at 5:01 AM, Rob Hill wrote:

> Ahh yes turning down the VCA does help although doesn't totally  
> solve the problem. You don't need to roll off as much attack this  
> way either.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Rob. ;-)
>
> Pete Nalda <lpnalda@...> wrote:
>  On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Rob Hill wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the response but it seems to be more noticable on
>> bassier sounds and dissapears when the VCF is turned all the way
>> down so its something before the filter or the filter itself perhaps.
>> It can be solved by softening the main VCA attack but I'd like to
>> know why its happening in the forst place.
>> The same thing happens in mono mode so its not running out of
>> polyphony.
>
>  Ok, now I've noticed this in a lot of synths, and not just the an1x,
>  if you have the VCA's volume up to 127 it seems to pop at the
>  beginning of the note. I've solved this by not having it up to 127,
>  and if it still seems low, then I'll leave it high and just roll off
>  the attack just a tiny bit.  But generally having the VCA not at 127
>  seems to help in most cases.
>>
>> :-S
>>
>>
>> Jon <jondl_2000@...> wrote:
>> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hill <m_moog8925@...> wrote:
>>>   Has anyone noticed a glitch at the beginning of the attack (set
>>> at 0) with the AN1x?
>>
>>  No, perhaps somebody else has...
>>
>>>   I remember this happened with the DX7 as a result of the start
>>> of the wave resetting at
>>  the same point every time the key triggered. There was a setting
>> in the DX7 that would
>>  have the waveform drift free and avoid the effect.
>>>   Is there some way of getting round this with the AN1x or have I
>>> overdone the feedback
>>  or something?
>>>
>>
>>  Might be too much Feedback in the VCA ;-) or it might be you have
>> LFO Reset set to
>>  KeyOn and the value for LFO Speed or Depth are way too high for
>> the sound you are
>>  aiming for.
>>
>>  Regards,
>>
>>  Jon
>>
>>
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