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osc sync

2006-07-23 by spaceanimals

The manual states when you choose osc synch mode, oscillator one adds a
sync wave. Does anyone know what they use for a sync wave?--square
wave? saw tooth? or just a mirror of osc 1? By the way, there's a nice
how to article on osc sync in the latest Keyboard magazine.

Thanks

Jimmy

Re: osc sync

2006-07-23 by Jon

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> The manual states when you choose osc synch mode, oscillator one adds a
> sync wave. Does anyone know what they use for a sync wave?--square
> wave? saw tooth? or just a mirror of osc 1? By the way, there's a nice
> how to article on osc sync in the latest Keyboard magazine.
>

Jimmy,

The description within the manual in regards to the VCO1 Wave when SYNC = on is
ambiguous.

It's stated the nuance in sound becomes distinctive when the Pulse Width is set to a value
greater than 64, but nothing else is mentioned in regards to Innr1, Innr2, and Innr3. I
wonder if we are to assume these waves are variants of Saw, Pulse and Saw2? I don't think
so. I wonder if anybody has inspected them under a Waveform display?

Regards,

Jon

Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2006-07-24 by Ed Edwards

Doesn't Osc Sync live in a trash can on Sesame Street?

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spaceanimals wrote:

> The manual states when you choose osc synch mode, oscillator one adds a
> sync wave. Does anyone know what they use for a sync wave?--square
> wave? saw tooth? or just a mirror of osc 1? By the way, there's a nice
> how to article on osc sync in the latest Keyboard magazine.
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> Thanks
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> Jimmy
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osc sync

2013-12-20 by <jim.alciere@...>

I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the slave osc waveform is?

Thank you.

Jimmy

Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-20 by Jeff

Hi Jimmy !
I guess it's the waveform of the 2nd oscillator...
The first VCO "trigs" the other at each period.
FM is different, there is a modulation of the second waveform by the first, giving birth to the complex and evolving waveforms found on early "FM" synths such as the iconic DX series.
Cheers.
J.F.

On 20/12/2013 13:38, jim.alciere@... wrote:

I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the slave osc waveform is?

Thank you.

Jimmy

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답장: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-20 by Brandon Giampa

No! An extra sine wave is provided for sync purposes only. There is no way to change it to any other waveform. When you select the sync option, three different 'inner' waves are options for the master. Osc 2 remains unaffected.

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Hi Jimmy !
I guess it's the waveform of the 2nd oscillator...
The first VCO "trigs" the other at each period.
FM is different, there is a modulation of the second waveform by the first, giving birth to the complex and evolving waveforms found on early "FM" synths such as the iconic DX series.
Cheers.
J.F.

On 20/12/2013 13:38, jim.alciere@... wrote:

I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the slave osc waveform is?

Thank you.

Jimmy

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Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by Summa

The AN1x is selfsyncing with an virtual master oscillators, therfore
its like having a 3 Oscillator synth.
Since in case of sync the master simply resets the slave waveform and
otherwise has no real purpose, typically been removed mixer wise,
it's no loss.

On 20 Dec 2013 at 4:38, jim.alciere@... wrote:

>
>
>
> I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master
> waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the
> slave osc waveform is?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by <jim.alciere@...>

Thank you everyone.

Per Sound on Sound magazine: When two oscillators are hard-synchronised, the pitch of the output is equal to the pitch of the master. Is this how it works on the AN1X?

Also per SOS: When two oscillators are hard-synchronised, then if the master frequency is lower than the slave frequency, changing the pitch of the slave changes the timbre of the output. Is that how it works on the AN1X?

So VCO1 is the master osc. If I want vibrato, in sync mode, I would choose fm to affect the master. If I want timbre variation, I would choose fm to affect the slave osc?. So what does the sync mod switch do?

Also, do I need to do anything different if I want the LFO to affect the pulse width of VCO 1?

I didn't see anywhere that the slave osc was a sine wave. Good job finding that out.

Jimmy

Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by Sean King

https://archive.org/stream/synthmanual-yamaha-an1x-owners-manual/yamahaan1xownersmanual#page/n57/mode/2up

page 58... if you havent looked at the manual yet
why not just experiment and figure out...

on page 31 -->

Other parameters available

let you apply modulation to the VCO1 oscillators with

the LFO1 and other waves.

I'm not sure if the lfo affects the pulse with or not ...
the sync master slave fm relationship is kinda hard to understand and I think these are great questions.
I need to read the manual myself to get more of an understanding i guess... but I usually just mess about and find a sound im looking for....
or i guess i just think of it as a 2 op fm synth, the master slave thing in oscillator one is weird at first

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <jim.alciere@...> wrote:

Thank you everyone.

Per Sound on Sound magazine: When two oscillators are hard-synchronised, the pitch of the output is equal to the pitch of the master. Is this how it works on the AN1X?

Also per SOS: When two oscillators are hard-synchronised, then if the master frequency is lower than the slave frequency, changing the pitch of the slave changes the timbre of the output. Is that how it works on the AN1X?

So VCO1 is the master osc. If I want vibrato, in sync mode, I would choose fm to affect the master. If I want timbre variation, I would choose fm to affect the slave osc?. So what does the sync mod switch do?

Also, do I need to do anything different if I want the LFO to affect the pulse width of VCO 1?

I didn't see anywhere that the slave osc was a sine wave. Good job finding that out.

Jimmy

Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by jammie

when in sync mode osc 1 becomes a dual osc with master and slave osc

what ever the master osc is set the slave osc waveform is set the same but resets on the starting of the osc master waveform so any modulation put on either the slave will always reset to the starting of the master osc waveform

which is the same for most master slave osc

but the an1x in this mode also has osc 2 still which can have any waveform set

and so you get a 3 osc synth

this is what sets it apart as a va synth from the jp8000

the master and slave osc are summed going into the mixer which is osc1 mixer input as its still only osc1

----- Original Message -----

From: Summa

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Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

The AN1x is selfsyncing with an virtual master oscillators, therfore
its like having a 3 Oscillator synth.
Since in case of sync the master simply resets the slave waveform and
otherwise has no real purpose, typically been removed mixer wise,
it's no loss.

On 20 Dec 2013 at 4:38, jim.alciere@... wrote:

>
>
>
> I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master
> waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the
> slave osc waveform is?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by jammie

where does he get the sin wave from

on page 61 it tells you the waves available

when vco1 is set to not sync you have available saw pulse saw2 and mix of saw+pulse

now when sync is on

osc1 has available saw pulse innr1 innr2 innr3

now what ever the master is set to the slave will be the same you CANT choose

a different waveform for master and slave

slave will always be set to the waveform of the master

unlike analog synths that you can change different waveforms on each osc but because the vco1 is one osc

and splits into 2 it can only have the same waveform but its outcome is the same

one of my favorite sync synths is the dss1 and the dsm1 as you can use additive waveforms and can have different one on each osc and set to unison you can have all 16 osc play and sync at the same time very fat sounds

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:58 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

when in sync mode osc 1 becomes a dual osc with master and slave osc

what ever the master osc is set the slave osc waveform is set the same but resets on the starting of the osc master waveform so any modulation put on either the slave will always reset to the starting of the master osc waveform

which is the same for most master slave osc

but the an1x in this mode also has osc 2 still which can have any waveform set

and so you get a 3 osc synth

this is what sets it apart as a va synth from the jp8000

the master and slave osc are summed going into the mixer which is osc1 mixer input as its still only osc1

----- Original Message -----

From: Summa

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

The AN1x is selfsyncing with an virtual master oscillators, therfore
its like having a 3 Oscillator synth.
Since in case of sync the master simply resets the slave waveform and
otherwise has no real purpose, typically been removed mixer wise,
it's no loss.

On 20 Dec 2013 at 4:38, jim.alciere@... wrote:

>
>
>
> I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master
> waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the
> slave osc waveform is?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
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Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by jammie

to produce a sin wave on the an1x you need to use the edge waveshaper which rounds off the edges of the saw wave

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:50 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

where does he get the sin wave from

on page 61 it tells you the waves available

when vco1 is set to not sync you have available saw pulse saw2 and mix of saw+pulse

now when sync is on

osc1 has available saw pulse innr1 innr2 innr3

now what ever the master is set to the slave will be the same you CANT choose

a different waveform for master and slave

slave will always be set to the waveform of the master

unlike analog synths that you can change different waveforms on each osc but because the vco1 is one osc

and splits into 2 it can only have the same waveform but its outcome is the same

one of my favorite sync synths is the dss1 and the dsm1 as you can use additive waveforms and can have different one on each osc and set to unison you can have all 16 osc play and sync at the same time very fat sounds

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:58 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

when in sync mode osc 1 becomes a dual osc with master and slave osc

what ever the master osc is set the slave osc waveform is set the same but resets on the starting of the osc master waveform so any modulation put on either the slave will always reset to the starting of the master osc waveform

which is the same for most master slave osc

but the an1x in this mode also has osc 2 still which can have any waveform set

and so you get a 3 osc synth

this is what sets it apart as a va synth from the jp8000

the master and slave osc are summed going into the mixer which is osc1 mixer input as its still only osc1

----- Original Message -----

From: Summa

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

The AN1x is selfsyncing with an virtual master oscillators, therfore
its like having a 3 Oscillator synth.
Since in case of sync the master simply resets the slave waveform and
otherwise has no real purpose, typically been removed mixer wise,
it's no loss.

On 20 Dec 2013 at 4:38, jim.alciere@... wrote:

>
>
>
> I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master
> waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the
> slave osc waveform is?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
> Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
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Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by jammie

on the an1x they also added the feedback as used on the minimoog where the vca output is feed back to the mixer input adding distortion

it also has the highpass filter before the vcf this is great for zoning on a set of frequencies

that the filter can shape this comes into great play with high pitch tuning +24 tunes which can alias at high frequencies by using the highpass filter to remove the higher frequencie helps remove aliasing

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

to produce a sin wave on the an1x you need to use the edge waveshaper which rounds off the edges of the saw wave

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:50 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

where does he get the sin wave from

on page 61 it tells you the waves available

when vco1 is set to not sync you have available saw pulse saw2 and mix of saw+pulse

now when sync is on

osc1 has available saw pulse innr1 innr2 innr3

now what ever the master is set to the slave will be the same you CANT choose

a different waveform for master and slave

slave will always be set to the waveform of the master

unlike analog synths that you can change different waveforms on each osc but because the vco1 is one osc

and splits into 2 it can only have the same waveform but its outcome is the same

one of my favorite sync synths is the dss1 and the dsm1 as you can use additive waveforms and can have different one on each osc and set to unison you can have all 16 osc play and sync at the same time very fat sounds

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:58 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

when in sync mode osc 1 becomes a dual osc with master and slave osc

what ever the master osc is set the slave osc waveform is set the same but resets on the starting of the osc master waveform so any modulation put on either the slave will always reset to the starting of the master osc waveform

which is the same for most master slave osc

but the an1x in this mode also has osc 2 still which can have any waveform set

and so you get a 3 osc synth

this is what sets it apart as a va synth from the jp8000

the master and slave osc are summed going into the mixer which is osc1 mixer input as its still only osc1

----- Original Message -----

From: Summa

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

The AN1x is selfsyncing with an virtual master oscillators, therfore
its like having a 3 Oscillator synth.
Since in case of sync the master simply resets the slave waveform and
otherwise has no real purpose, typically been removed mixer wise,
it's no loss.

On 20 Dec 2013 at 4:38, jim.alciere@... wrote:

>
>
>
> I should know this: when I use Osc Sync, I know what the master
> waveform is, it's whatever I choose for vco 1. How do I know what the
> slave osc waveform is?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
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Re: [AN1x] osc sync

2013-12-21 by jammie

its based on analog type fm and not digital fm

so there are no operators

its just frequency modulation of oscilator

like on the prophet 5 which its based on as yamaha owned the rights to the prophet when they brought out sequencial;

jonh bowen and the prophet vs team went to korg a and r developement and created the wavestation

the dave smith team did the sy22/33/35

lfo can control pulse width modulation and its good when used with the inner1/2/3 waves

----- Original Message -----

From: Sean King

To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: [AN1x] osc sync

https://archive.org/stream/synthmanual-yamaha-an1x-owners-manual/yamahaan1xownersmanual#page/n57/mode/2up

page 58... if you havent looked at the manual yet
why not just experiment and figure out...

on page 31 -->

Other parameters available

let you apply modulation to the VCO1 oscillators with

the LFO1 and other waves.

I'm not sure if the lfo affects the pulse with or not ...
the sync master slave fm relationship is kinda hard to understand and I think these are great questions.
I need to read the manual myself to get more of an understanding i guess... but I usually just mess about and find a sound im looking for....
or i guess i just think of it as a 2 op fm synth, the master slave thing in oscillator one is weird at first

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <jim.alciere@...> wrote:

Thank you everyone.

Per Sound on Sound magazine: When two oscillators are hard-synchronised, the pitch of the output is equal to the pitch of the master. Is this how it works on the AN1X?

Also per SOS: When two oscillators are hard-synchronised, then if the master frequency is lower than the slave frequency, changing the pitch of the slave changes the timbre of the output. Is that how it works on the AN1X?

So VCO1 is the master osc. If I want vibrato, in sync mode, I would choose fm to affect the master. If I want timbre variation, I would choose fm to affect the slave osc?. So what does the sync mod switch do?

Also, do I need to do anything different if I want the LFO to affect the pulse width of VCO 1?

I didn't see anywhere that the slave osc was a sine wave. Good job finding that out.

Jimmy

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osc sync

2015-09-09 by jim.alciere@...

If you sequence your bassline and play it back while turning the osc sync frequency (try starting around 17 and turn it up or down around 10. you get a nice effect, almost like phase shifting. Gives the AN1X a cool digital sound. I eq'd out most of the frequency above 300 hz, so the bass wouldn't fight with the rest of the instruments. The effect was still noticeable.

I've said it before, but for bass, playing the AN1X through a tube amp and a big speaker gives it a nice sound.

Jimmy