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Is there a difference in the A/D converters between the AN1x and the 
Motif ES series to make a real difference in the sound of same patch? 
My bandmates tell me that the Motif sounds "warmer". But, my pseudo-
experiment seems to indicate the contrary. I have downloaded the same 
An1x raw, single scene, uneffected pulse wave patch into the PLG150AN 
and found it to sound actually a bit thinner on the Motif. What gives? 
Am I missing something?

TIA

aL

Motif or Motif ES?

Could the Motif have had any Master Effects (not sure if the original
Motif has Master Effects like the ES) altering the sound?

I do not have an AN1X but I have the PLG150AN. I have used this card
in both my CS6X and Motif ES and find the ES to sound better, IMHO.

Is there a reason this is a curiousity? Are you thinking of replacing
your AN1X with the AN cards?

Ed


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "fai31188" <fai31188@...> wrote:

>
> Is there a difference in the A/D converters between the AN1x and the 
> Motif ES series to make a real difference in the sound of same patch? 
> My bandmates tell me that the Motif sounds "warmer". But, my pseudo-
> experiment seems to indicate the contrary. I have downloaded the same 
> An1x raw, single scene, uneffected pulse wave patch into the PLG150AN 
> and found it to sound actually a bit thinner on the Motif. What gives? 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> TIA
> 
> aL
>

It's the motif ES7, and I made sure the master effects are off also. The reason for this inquiry is the one you guessed. I have both the An1x and the PLG150An, and although the An1x is my board of choice, the guys in the band are really pushing for the Motif ES. I use the Motif ES almost strictly for lead sounds, and the An1x does these sounds so well, but it's almost a third of the ES7's weight, so, that's why I gravitate to the An1x!!

aL


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1. Re: An1x sound versus PLG150AN within the Motif ES    

    From: hemmer12000


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1. Re: An1x sound versus PLG150AN within the Motif ES
    Posted by: "hemmer12000" gelmetti_mdk@... hemmer12000
    Date: Sun Jul 2, 2006 5:38 pm (PDT)

Motif or Motif ES?

Could the Motif have had any Master Effects (not sure if the original
Motif has Master Effects like the ES) altering the sound?

I do not have an AN1X but I have the PLG150AN. I have used this card
in both my CS6X and Motif ES and find the ES to sound better, IMHO.

Is there a reason this is a curiousity? Are you thinking of replacing
your AN1X with the AN cards?

Ed


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "fai31188"  wrote:
>
> Is there a difference in the A/D converters between the AN1x and the 
> Motif ES series to make a real difference in the sound of same patch? 
> My bandmates tell me that the Motif sounds "warmer". But, my pseudo-
> experiment seems to indicate the contrary. I have downloaded the same 
> An1x raw, single scene, uneffected pulse wave patch into the PLG150AN 
> and found it to sound actually a bit thinner on the Motif. What gives? 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> TIA
> 
> aL

 		
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Hello !

>I do not have an AN1X but I have the PLG150AN. I have used this card
>in both my CS6X and Motif ES and find the ES to sound better, IMHO.
>
It's a matter of fact that the "real world" is analog , not digital .
Maybe your ES keyboard has better D/A converters , or a better output 
stage ? Even if 95% of the keyboard electronics are digital you must 
convert the data into an analog signal , amplify it and/or adapt the 
output impedance ... and this could be more "tricky" than generating 
waveforms and filtering them with a DSP .
To take some examples , some speakers could sound better than others 
with your amp, whatever their price , size or anything else . There is a 
"tube revival" both in instruments or HiFi amplification , and however , 
on a purely electronic point of view , tube amps are not outstanding 
compared to solid state electronics (frequency response, rise time, 
signal/noise ratio ...).
@+
J.F.

hemmer12000 a \ufffdcrit :

>Motif or Motif ES?
>
>Could the Motif have had any Master Effects (not sure if the original
>Motif has Master Effects like the ES) altering the sound?
>
>I do not have an AN1X but I have the PLG150AN. I have used this card
>in both my CS6X and Motif ES and find the ES to sound better, IMHO.
>
>Is there a reason this is a curiousity? Are you thinking of replacing
>your AN1X with the AN cards?
>
>Ed
>
>
>--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "fai31188" <fai31188@...> wrote:
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>
>>Is there a difference in the A/D converters between the AN1x and the 
>>Motif ES series to make a real difference in the sound of same patch? 
>>My bandmates tell me that the Motif sounds "warmer". But, my pseudo-
>>experiment seems to indicate the contrary. I have downloaded the same 
>>An1x raw, single scene, uneffected pulse wave patch into the PLG150AN 
>>and found it to sound actually a bit thinner on the Motif. What gives? 
>>Am I missing something?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>aL
>>
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Albert Ibrahim schreef:

> It's the motif ES7, and I made sure the master effects are off also. The reason for this inquiry is the one you guessed. I have both the An1x and the PLG150An, and although the An1x is my board of choice, the guys in the band are really pushing for the Motif ES. I use the Motif ES almost strictly for lead sounds, and the An1x does these sounds so well, but it's almost a third of the ES7's weight, so, that's why I gravitate to the An1x!!

I'd say, sod you band mates and go with the AN1x. It's a very good lead 
synth. The ES is more the bread and butter, workstation style synth. Do 
you want to be a leader or a follower?  :)

- Peter

Sod my bandmates? That would leave me no band!! ;) Well, really, the
bandmates are just a sanity check. 


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote:
>
> Albert Ibrahim schreef:
> 
> > It's the motif ES7, and I made sure the master effects are off
also. The reason for this inquiry is the one you guessed. I have both
the An1x and the PLG150An, and although the An1x is my board of
choice, the guys in the band are really pushing for the Motif ES. I
use the Motif ES almost strictly for lead sounds, and the An1x does
these sounds so well, but it's almost a third of the ES7's weight, so,
that's why I gravitate to the An1x!!

> 
> I'd say, sod you band mates and go with the AN1x. It's a very good lead 
> synth. The ES is more the bread and butter, workstation style synth. Do 
> you want to be a leader or a follower?  :)
> 
> - Peter
>

I agree with Peter in that you ought to keep the AN1X. However,
sometimes it's fun to be a follower in that most of those who WANT to
be a leader mess things up so badly! You get to sit back and snicker! 

Here's a question though...

What the hell kind of audio microscope are your bandmates using?
Really, once in the mix, the sound is the sound. Most listeners won't
bother thinking "if he'd only used the PLG150AN card through a Motif
ES..". Really! 

I remember a band I was in a LONG time ago and having the drummer and
bass scrutinize my synth sounds....F-off you Rhythm Primates! (the
drummer went on to be the lead singer of the Dandy Warhols...I guess I
suck)

FYI - I have played bass in half the bands I've been in - respect to
Bass Players....it's just, you better have an American Fender P-bass,
an SWR amp and Sun 8x10 if you want to be in my band because "it's
warmer".

Take Care,

Ed

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote:
>
> Albert Ibrahim schreef:
> 
> > It's the motif ES7, and I made sure the master effects are off
also. The reason for this inquiry is the one you guessed. I have both
the An1x and the PLG150An, and although the An1x is my board of
choice, the guys in the band are really pushing for the Motif ES. I
use the Motif ES almost strictly for lead sounds, and the An1x does
these sounds so well, but it's almost a third of the ES7's weight, so,
that's why I gravitate to the An1x!!

> 
> I'd say, sod you band mates and go with the AN1x. It's a very good lead 
> synth. The ES is more the bread and butter, workstation style synth. Do 
> you want to be a leader or a follower?  :)
> 
> - Peter
>

On Jul 3, 2006, at 10:49 PM, hemmer12000 wrote:

> I agree with Peter in that you ought to keep the AN1X. However,
> sometimes it's fun to be a follower in that most of those who WANT to
> be a leader mess things up so badly! You get to sit back and snicker!
>
> Here's a question though...
>
> What the hell kind of audio microscope are your bandmates using?
> Really, once in the mix, the sound is the sound. Most listeners won't
> bother thinking "if he'd only used the PLG150AN card through a Motif
> ES..". Really!
>
> I remember a band I was in a LONG time ago and having the drummer and
> bass scrutinize my synth sounds....F-off you Rhythm Primates! (the
> drummer went on to be the lead singer of the Dandy Warhols...I guess I
> suck)
>
> FYI - I have played bass in half the bands I've been in - respect to
> Bass Players....it's just, you better have an American Fender P-bass,
> an SWR amp and Sun 8x10 if you want to be in my band because "it's
> warmer".
>
> Take Care,
>
> Ed

Like Ed says, It's really a part of our "product brand" infatuation.   
The other band members probably prefer the Motif just because that's  
what they see on TV all the time.

I sort of go through this in my band, they'd probably love for me to  
get a Nord Electro. Yeah, well, while it has better Hammond and Wurly  
sounds, it  won't cover the Badass Combo Organ sound like Annie Blue  
(my An1x) can.  Now if I could just get that Fender Blues Junior I  
want to *really* trash it out.

"Egun On, Lagunak!" (Basque for G'day Mates)
Pete Nalda

Here's the deal: live in a crowded bar you won't hear a lot of 
difference between the AN1X, the PLG 150AN within the Motif, and a mini 
moog. 

The real issue is you and the band. The answer is to let the band know 
you prefer to lug something light to gigs and if that's a problem, 
discuss it. Perhaps someone can help you lug equipment?

If it comes down to weight or band cohesiveness, I pick band.

Jimmy

PS I just covered the back of my AN1X with flourescent pink and green 
duct tape. It looks very stylish now.

Even if you do get the Motif, keep the AN. It's a lot easier than
using the PLG card from within the Motif.

I just traded my two AN cards for an AN1X. I found it very tedious to
always need software to turn off an arp if I liked a preset patch
sound. Also, on the AN1X, you edit a sound...you hit store and
confirm. On the PLG card, you edit a sound via software and must store
it as a file on the host synth. If you don't, it's gone. Then, you
must either "AUTOLD" it or manually load it back the next time you
boot the synth.

After having the AN1X for a few days, my opinion of Yamaha's AN
technology has increased. Basically, I like the sound of the AN1X
better than the AN cards regardless of its host.

The Motif ES is a fantastic board though. If you can swing getting it
and keeping the 1X, that would be ideal.


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Albert Ibrahim <fai31188@...> wrote:
>
> It's the motif ES7, and I made sure the master effects are off also.
The reason for this inquiry is the one you guessed. I have both the
An1x and the PLG150An, and although the An1x is my board of choice,
the guys in the band are really pushing for the Motif ES. I use the
Motif ES almost strictly for lead sounds, and the An1x does these
sounds so well, but it's almost a third of the ES7's weight, so,
that's why I gravitate to the An1x!!
> 
> aL
> 
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> 1. Re: An1x sound versus PLG150AN within the Motif ES    
>     From: hemmer12000
> 
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> 
> 1. Re: An1x sound versus PLG150AN within the Motif ES
>     Posted by: "hemmer12000" gelmetti_mdk@... hemmer12000
>     Date: Sun Jul 2, 2006 5:38 pm (PDT)
> 
> Motif or Motif ES?
> 
> Could the Motif have had any Master Effects (not sure if the original
> Motif has Master Effects like the ES) altering the sound?
> 
> I do not have an AN1X but I have the PLG150AN. I have used this card
> in both my CS6X and Motif ES and find the ES to sound better, IMHO.
> 
> Is there a reason this is a curiousity? Are you thinking of replacing
> your AN1X with the AN cards?
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "fai31188"  wrote:
> >
> > Is there a difference in the A/D converters between the AN1x and the 
> > Motif ES series to make a real difference in the sound of same patch? 
> > My bandmates tell me that the Motif sounds "warmer". But, my pseudo-
> > experiment seems to indicate the contrary. I have downloaded the same 
> > An1x raw, single scene, uneffected pulse wave patch into the PLG150AN 
> > and found it to sound actually a bit thinner on the Motif. What
gives? 

> > Am I missing something?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > aL
> 
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Oh, I definitely intend to keep my An1x. It's a great board. I just don't have a lot of time to really learn how to program it, so for me the plg150an within the motif is a good alternative for the time being. In one sense, I find basic editing of the plug in voices easier than on the AN1x. That's probably due in part to my inexperience with synth programming... 

At any rate, the An1x isn't going anywhere.

aL


 1. Re: An1x sound versus PLG150AN within the Motif ES
    Posted by: "hemmer12000" gelmetti_mdk@... hemmer12000
    Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:13 am (PDT)

Even if you do get the Motif, keep the AN. It's a lot easier than
using the PLG card from within the Motif.

I just traded my two AN cards for an AN1X. I found it very tedious to
always need software to turn off an arp if I liked a preset patch
sound. Also, on the AN1X, you edit a sound...you hit store and
confirm. On the PLG card, you edit a sound via software and must store
it as a file on the host synth. If you don't, it's gone. Then, you
must either "AUTOLD" it or manually load it back the next time you
boot the synth.

After having the AN1X for a few days, my opinion of Yamaha's AN
technology has increased. Basically, I like the sound of the AN1X
better than the AN cards regardless of its host.

The Motif ES is a fantastic board though. If you can swing getting it
and keeping the 1X, that would be ideal.



 		
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Hi all

I just got a CS6x with a PLG150AN board and I am a little peturbed I can not access many parameters including arps without a PC (I am just re-setting up my studio and don't have the PC setup yet).  Has anyone tried using somthing like a Peavey 1600x fader unit, programmed to access the parameters not accessible from the front panel?

Bob
El Segundo, CA



-----Original Message-----

>From: Albert Ibrahim <fai31188@...>
>Sent: Jul 18, 2006 11:00 AM
>To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AN1x] An1x sound versus PLG150AN within the Motif ES
>
>Oh, I definitely intend to keep my An1x. It's a great board. I just don't have a lot of time to really learn how to program it, so for me the plg150an within the motif is a good alternative for the time being. In one sense, I find basic editing of the plug in voices easier than on the AN1x. That's probably due in part to my inexperience with synth programming... 
>
>At any rate, the An1x isn't going anywhere.
>
>aL
>
>
> 1. Re: An1x sound versus PLG150AN within the Motif ES
>    Posted by: "hemmer12000" gelmetti_mdk@... hemmer12000
>    Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:13 am (PDT)
>
>Even if you do get the Motif, keep the AN. It's a lot easier than
>using the PLG card from within the Motif.
>
>I just traded my two AN cards for an AN1X. I found it very tedious to
>always need software to turn off an arp if I liked a preset patch
>sound. Also, on the AN1X, you edit a sound...you hit store and
>confirm. On the PLG card, you edit a sound via software and must store
>it as a file on the host synth. If you don't, it's gone. Then, you
>must either "AUTOLD" it or manually load it back the next time you
>boot the synth.
>
>After having the AN1X for a few days, my opinion of Yamaha's AN
>technology has increased. Basically, I like the sound of the AN1X
>better than the AN cards regardless of its host.
>
>The Motif ES is a fantastic board though. If you can swing getting it
>and keeping the 1X, that would be ideal.
>
>
>
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Albert Ibrahim schreef:

> Oh, I definitely intend to keep my An1x. It's a great board. I just don't have a lot of time to really learn how to program it, so for me the plg150an within the motif is a good alternative for the time being. In one sense, I find basic editing of the plug in voices easier than on the AN1x. That's probably due in part to my inexperience with synth programming... 

But... isn't it just a matter of pressing some buttons, turning the 
knobs, and hearing what happens? That's what I did.

> At any rate, the An1x isn't going anywhere.

I'm glad to hear that!

- Peter