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--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
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> Use MIDI-OX to test.
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> At least, that will calm your nerves that the HAWK does actually respond to NRPN.
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> Mike
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> ________________________________
> From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 9:50 PM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
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> I've been trying with both the Oxygen and the Ozonic.
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> I dont have any other keyboard that will send NRPN's.
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> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote:
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> > ∗∗∗DEFINITELY CHECK THE MIDI∗∗∗!!!
> > i had an oxygen, first model, and it was a piece of sh∗t,
> > i took it back: there is constant activity on the midi CC,
> > and it screwed up my laptop of th time. swapped it for an
> > evolution and the problem went away. serious, i believe
> > this is all down to the oxygen, it must be incompatible
> > with some stuff. try another keyboard.
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@> wrote:
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> > > Yes. channels have been properly matched.
> > > if I set a controller to CC it will function properly.
> > > try to change the same controller into a NRPN and it falls on its face
> > >
> > > its this multi message business that is throwing it for a loop
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Silly question but are you sure you have MIDI receive channel set to the channel that you are sending CC's on?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@>
> > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 12:19 AM
> > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >  
> > > > Thanks for trying to figure this out.
> > > >
> > > > I tried the new code and the HAWK still wont respond to NRPN's from the Oxygen 8.
> > > > All the standard CC's work though.
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully there's an easy fix for this, I now have two M-Audio controller keyboards that use the exact same NRPN protocol,
> > > > LSB, MSB then a stream of Data values.
> > > > They will resend LSB/MSB if the control movement slows down, stops/starts again or goes in reverse, but that doesnt seem to have any effect.
> > > >
> > > > The M-Audio Ozonic I just got today has Aftertouch along with 8 rotary knobs, 9 faders, a programmable joystick and over a dozen momentary switches to program. I was real excited to use this thing with the HAWK since it has so many controls and especially the aftertouch, which is really cool when programmed to open/close the filter :) It's my first aftertouch capable keyboard.
> > > >
> > > > Any other ideas on how to get the HAWK to respond?
> > > >
> > > > -Blaine
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, here is better code. It says, if I receive any RPN then cancel the current status for NRPN's. So if you inadvertently send RPN's they won't stomp on the NRPN's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Much better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
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> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@>
> > > > > To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:57 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems.. [3 Attachments]
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> > > > >  
> > > > > [Attachment(s) from Michael Hawkins included below]
> > > > > OK, I changed the code to allow sending MSB,LSB or LSB,MSB and then data values. And I also allow sending multiple data values without MSB or LSB being resent.
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> > > > > I attach the updated software files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know it goes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@>
> > > > > To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
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> > > > >  
> > > > > OK, so I checked my code. Here are my comments in the assembler code for receiving NRPN:
> > > > >
> > > > > ; NRPN MSB followed by NRPN LSB then data value. No other sequence or combination is permitted.
> > > > > ; And NRPN MSB and LSB must be transmitted for each and every data value (ie: there is no NRPN running status).
> > > > > ; reception of the NRPN MSB always resets the NRPN sequence.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wrote the code this way because it appears to be the most common implementation and is 100% reliable. Whereas, other implementations (such as your controller) result in ambiguous situations where MIDI NRPN controllers can be screwed up.
> > > > >
> > > > > See http://www.philrees.co.uk/nrpnq.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > I am willing to hear from others as to whether this is proper practice or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps I could be convinced to add a global parameter to allow changing
> > > > > the NRPN behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > And here is the actual assembler:
> > > > >
> > > > > ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > ; the MIDI NRPN controller messages are handled below
> > > > > ; the NRPN MSB received must match the global NRPN MSB (global 16) for any parameter change to occur
> > > > > ; in order to avoid overruns and stop RPN's from interfering with NRPN's, the sequence of NRPN MUST be
> > > > > ; NRPN MSB followed by NRPN LSB then data value. No other sequencer combination is permitted.
> > > > > ; And NRPN MSB and LSB must be transmitted for each and every data value (ie: there is no NRPN running status).
> > > > > ; reception of the NRPN MSB always resets the NRPN sequence
> > > > > ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > MIDI_NRPN_MSB:
> > > > >         mov    a, d
> > > > >         sta    M_NRPN_MSB   
> > > > >     ; save the NRPN MSB
> > > > >         mvi    a, 2            ; set NRPN sequence to MSB received
> > > > >         sta    M_NRPN_SEQUENCE
> > > > >         jmp    MIDI_MODE_NO    ; end by reset of control change status
> > > > > ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > MIDI_NRPN_LSB:
> > > > >         lda    M_NRPN_SEQUENCE    ; get current NRPN sequence
> > > > >         cpi    2            ; test for MSB received
> > > > >         jnz    MIDI_MODE_NO    ; no MSB received so get out
> > > > >        
> > > > > dcr    a            ; set A=1 (LSB received)
> > > > >         sta    M_NRPN_SEQUENCE    ; save sequence flag
> > > > >         mov    a, d            ; put MIDI Data value into A
> > > > >         sta    M_NRPN_LSB        ; save the NRPN LSB
> > > > >         jmp    MIDI_MODE_NO    ; end by reset of control change status
> > > > > ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > MIDI_NRPN_DAT:
> > > > >         lda    M_NRPN_SEQUENCE    ; get current NRPN sequence
> > > > >         cpi    1   
> > > > >         ; test for MSB and LSB received
> > > > >         jnz    MIDI_MODE_NO    ; no MSB,LSB received so get out
> > > > >         dcr    a            ; set A=0 (reset sequence flag)
> > > > >         sta    M_NRPN_SEQUENCE    ; save sequence flag
> > > > >         mov    a, d
> > > > >         sta    M_NRPN_DATA        ; save the data value
> > > > >         lda    M_NRPN_MSB        ; get the current NRPN MSB
> > > > >         mov    b, a            ; put the current NRPN MSB into
> > > > > B
> > > > >         lda    C_NRPN_MSB        ; get selected NRPN MSB (global 16)
> > > > >         cmp    b            ; compare selected NRPN MSB to current NRPN MSB
> > > > >         mvi    a, 1            ; preload A = true
> > > > >         jz    MIDI_NRPN_SKIP    ; skip if selected MSB = current MSB
> > > > >         xra    a            ; did not match therefore set changed flag = false
> > > > > MIDI_NRPN_SKIP:
> > > > >         sta    M_NRPN_CHANGE    ; save changed flag (will only change if NRPN MSB matches global)
> > > > >    
> > > > >     jmp    MIDI_MODE_NO    ; end by reset of control change status
> > > > > ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@>
> > > > > To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:31 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
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> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > > I'll have to check it out later today. But glancing at it, looks like it should work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although, it is more common to see NRPN and RPN's to be sent in groups of three for every message.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So it is a bit unusual to see the LSB and MSB to go out once and then a bunch of value messages by themselves.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I believe that the HAWK code supports that anyway. I'll have to check.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@>
> > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:29 AM
> > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > > I managed to fix the jittery output. The 8th pot was defective, causing the MC's analog input to float without a steady reference I guess.
> > > > > Anyway, that one defective pot messed up the other 7 in that group. I guess the mod wheel was on some kind of isolated circuit? I dunno..
> > > > > Just glad the new pot I put in fixed it!
> > > > > Additionally, the old pot must have been impacted by the PO. Not only damaging the pot, but also the trace/pad for that pot's wiper lead. It was lifted from the PCB when I went in to desolder it!
> > > > > The new pot's lead is barely making connection.. If it goes bad again, I may have to just remove the pot and ground the input to stabilize the rest.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still have NRPN problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a link to the Oxygen's manual..
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/manuals/051014_OxyLine_UG-EN01_V1.PDF
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's a copy of what MIDIOX showed when I setup a knob to nrpn control "90", the VCF LFO1 Mod Depth. I have "GL 16 00" as my global setting.
> > > > >
> > > > > 024DEEAE 1 -- B0 62 5A 1 --- CC: NRPN LSB
> > > > > 024DEEAF 1 -- B0 63 00 1 --- CC: NRPN MSB
> > > > > 024DEEB0 1 -- B0 06 01 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DEEE0 1 -- B0 06 02 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DEF14 1 -- B0 06 04 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DEF74 1 -- B0 06 06 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DEFCB 1 -- B0 06 07 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF045 1 -- B0 06 08 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF078 1 -- B0 06 09 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF0CA 1 -- B0 06 0A 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF15D 1 -- B0 06 0B 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF1C3 1 -- B0 06 0C 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF256 1 -- B0 06 0D 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF2CB 1 -- B0 06 0F 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF3BB 1 -- B0 62 5A 1 --- CC: NRPN LSB
> > > > > 024DF3BC 1 -- B0 63 00 1 --- CC: NRPN MSB
> > > > > 024DF3BD 1 -- B0 06 10 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF44E 1 -- B0 06 11 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > > 024DF529 1 -- B0 06 12 1 --- CC: Data Entry MSB
> > > > >
> > > > > No response whatsoever from the HAWK with the above stream of msgs, post surgery.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > -Blaine
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check for a midi loop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Send the text of a batch of the CC messages you're seeing on MIDI-OX.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@>
> > > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:55 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Maudio midi controller problems..
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > > > Ok, this one has me stumped.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a Maudio Oxygen 8 V2 that I just picked up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For some odd reason, I cant get the 8 assignable knobs to send proper CC messages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hooked up to the HAWK either direct or indirect thru the PC. I can see the messages in MIDIOX go thru fine. But the HAWK only partially responds to any of the knobs.. it's like it hears it for a moment, then suddenly does not hear it.
> > > > > > If I turn the knob really slow, I can get more reaction from the HAWK, but it's still jittery.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Odd thing is, the assignable Mod Wheel (next to the pitch wheel). Will send a CC flawlessly.. no jitters or problems whatsoever.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what would cause this? Again, I can see it sending all the messages in MIDI OX, but HAWK seems to only pick up part of the msg stream when using one of the 8 knobs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do know that the very last knob has an issue where it wants to deviate to "33" when it is set to 0-127. I have disabled it, I suspect it has a cold joint or defective pot. The others dont act like that.
> > > > > > Looking at the PCB, it appears each knob has it's own path to the main CPU (tiny stamp sized PIC thing).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any ideas? I was hoping to splice in a organ pedalset into the keyboard matrix later on.. but this knob issue has me scratching my head.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Blaine
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