98 is your LSB, 99 is your MSB.
When you manually edit the BCR, that third edit for "NRPN Parameter Number" is a DECIMAL number that combines both CC98 & CC99 values to create a number that is 0-16383.
So if I want a value of 12 for CC98 and 0 for CC99, I just input "12".
But if I want a value of 1 for CC98 and 128 for cc99, I would input "129"
That MSB value works in multiples of 128 for CC99.. it is the "coarse" number.. CC98 is the "fine" number.
If I want a value of 65 for CC98 and 1 for CC99, it would be "193"
I added in an extra 128 to both the secondary examples below in case the HAWK is expecting to hear a "1" come from CC99.. something about it must match the Global Parameter 16 on the HAWK.. and it is a "1" at default.
Hope this all makes sense.. give my examples a try when you can and lets see if it gets it going.
-Blaine
--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, batard.sensibles@... wrote:
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> I mean the nprn msb defaults to 98 0, and I believe I need it to be 98 16 to communicate with the hawk.
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> On May 16, 2013, at 11:30 PM, batard.sensibles@... wrote:
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> > After some digging, I've found that the Nrpn on the BCR defaults to 0, and there is no way to change it to 16 without a managing program. I just downloaded one of those, so we'll see how it goes.
> >
> > In the meantime, I'll try out your method. I'll update you with the results tomorrow. Thanks again for your help on this.
> >
> > On May 16, 2013, at 9:15 PM, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I checked the BCR200 manual and think I know how to get it working..
> >>
> >> Try plugging these in for VCF cutoff and Resonance edits.
> >>
> >> ∗∗Filter Cutoff--
> >> Midi Data Type- NRPN
> >> Midi Send Channel- 1
> >> Parameter- 24
> >> Value1- 0
> >> Value2- 99
> >> Controller Mode- Absolute
> >>
> >> ∗∗Resonance∗∗
> >> Midi Data Type- NRPN
> >> Midi Send Channel- 1
> >> Parameter- 96
> >> Value1- 0
> >> Value2- 127
> >> Controller Mode- Absolute
> >>
> >> If that doesn't work, try these values instead-
> >>
> >> ∗∗Filter Cutoff--
> >> Midi Data Type- NRPN
> >> Midi Send Channel- 1
> >> Parameter- 152
> >> Value1- 0
> >> Value2- 99
> >> Controller Mode- Absolute
> >>
> >> ∗∗Resonance∗∗
> >> Midi Data Type- NRPN
> >> Midi Send Channel- 1
> >> Parameter- 224
> >> Value1- 0
> >> Value2- 127
> >> Controller Mode- Absolute
> >>
> >> Give those a try and report back your results, if any.. lets see if we can get that working...
> >> First lets see if we can get a response out of it.. then go from there.
> >>
> >> -Blaine
> >>
> >> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "batard.sensibles" <batard.sensibles@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hey Blaine,
> >> >
> >> > I finally got around to a PC to use the GUI, but my BCR will not learn the mixed messages - it will only learn 84 OR 85. Starting to think that the BCR might be worthless for a controller for the Hawk, as it will not work with the NRPN at all (even though it should). Not much sense in having 24 knobs if I can really only control 1-8 parameters at a time.
> >> >
> >> > The GUI is really cool by the way. Thanks a lot for the help.
> >> >
> >> > -Bryce
> >> >
> >> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hey Bryce,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am unfamiliar with how the BFC2000 works..
> >> > >
> >> > > But to do a basic setup of two knobs doing Quick Param. Change you need to make one knob do CC84 and be values 0-127
> >> > > make another knob do CC85 and also be values 0-127
> >> > >
> >> > > Adjust first one to select parameter, 2nd one to change it's value.
> >> > >
> >> > > To make one knob do two CC's at a time, I do not know.. but if you have trouble assigning two CC's to one knob, I bet it can LEARN the mixed messages my GUI controller outputs.
> >> > > Get my GUI, run it.. hook up the PC's midi out into your BFC 2000.. make a knob go into learn mode, adjust the GUI control you want it to learn and set it..
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Keep in mind that even though a parameter is say.. 0-15, the CC value must go all the way to 127 in order to reach "15".
> >> > >
> >> > > The HAWK interprets in incoming 0-127 range for a 0-15 parameter as: 0-7 to be 1, 8-15 as 2, 16-23 as 3....
> >> > > You have to divide the parameter value inside a 0-127 range.
> >> > > Also 0's and 1's can be interpreted as 1 and 2.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > HTH's
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Knob 1 (sends cc#84):
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Type: CC (nrpn hasn't worked for me)
> >> > > > Channel: 1
> >> > > > Parameter: 22
> >> > > > Value 1: 0
> >> > > > Value 2: 4
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Knob 2 (sends cc#85 and allows me to adjust the parameter:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Type: CC
> >> > > > Parameter: 23
> >> > > > Value 1: 0
> >> > > > Value 2: 15
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "batard.sensibles" <batard.sensibles@> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi Blaine, thanks a lot for your response.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Still a little confused. I've been able to do the controller friendly method with the BCR, but I haven't been able to get either of the other methods to work. Here's how I've been setting up the BCR for the controller friendly verson:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Knob 1 (sends cc#22):
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Type: CC (nrpn hasn't worked for me)
> >> > > > Channel: 1
> >> > > > Parameter: 22
> >> > > > Value 1: 0
> >> > > > Value 2: 4
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Knob 2 (sends cc#23 and allows me to adjust the parameter:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Type: CC
> >> > > > Parameter: 23
> >> > > > Value 1: 0
> >> > > > Value 2: 15
> >> > > >
> >> > > > So how would I set up the quick parameter change with the BCR? I'm confused as to what I should put for the values, and, well really how to set it up altogether. Thanks for the help.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Bryce
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hi Bryce and congrats on getting a HAWK installed.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I typically setup a controller to use CC#'s 84/85 "Quick Parameter Change"
> >> > > > > CC84 will select the parameter and 85 will provide the data/value.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Look at the list of parameters in the Parameter Quick Reference chart.. you will see a column marked "CC".
> >> > > > > The numbers in that column are not CC#'s, but actually the value you would plug in the CC 84 value to select that parameter to change.
> >> > > > > Once you begin to use it, it will become clear how to implement it.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You may also want to try out this GUI editor I made..
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_IDH8cQH_eNUlQtZ2MxNURKVWc/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > It's not completely done yet, but you can edit much of the parameters on the HAWK using it and can see what is at which value at a glance.
> >> > > > > Nice thing is that it will adjust knobs/settings for you when you change parameters..
> >> > > > > Like I said, it's not all done yet, but it sure beats going back and forth thru the manual/charts to figure out which parameter is what number.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > HTH's
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -Blaine
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "batard.sensibles" <batard.sensibles@> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hello fellow Poly-800 users! I recently installed a Hawk800/Atomahawk, and I was curious to see if any of you had set up a BCR2000 with it. Wondering what the best method would be to set it up. It seems like the NRPN method would be the way to go, though I'm fairly new at this and totally confused. Thanks!
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> >> > > > > > -Bryce
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