Hi Don,
"So I'm not allowed to elevate the standards of the
list? Would you be
happier if I lowered the standards? I'm sure you
would."
How do you know that? That statement makes me feel
offended. I have just re read my email to you and I
cannot see anything in it that calls for that last
sentence. As I said email can be a difficult medium
and perhaps that wasn't your intent.
I hadn't been on the list that long when I read your
reply to Mark Wallis, so I thought OK this list is a
bit of a free for all, I shouldn't take offence at
anything said and not take things too seriously.
You now seem to suddenly say that there are standards,
I had certainly not noticed any before. I am quite
happy for us all to be polite and helpful to one
another but it seems to me that you are introducing
standards that have not been present before, to
justify remove a member from the list who has upset
you. I don't think that is fair.
Mark
--- Donald Tillman <
don@...> wrote:
> Various bits of hate mail (just kidding)...
>
> > From: Bob Snyder <bob.snyder@...>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:58:45 -0800
> >
> > I've been on this list since it started which
> is a long time. In
> > all that time there have been a lot of rude
> messages, a lot of
> > name calling, a lot of hurt feelings. That
> seems to be the nature
> > of email lists -
>
> I agree, there have been a lot of rude messages,
> name calling and hurt
> feelings. That's ∗not∗ a good thing.
>
> And that is ∗not∗ the nature of email lists, that's
> the nature of
> immature participants. For comparision, check out
> the "synth-diy"
> list, which has long been a beacon of politeness, of
> learning, of
> sharing ideas in a positive environment, and with
> discussions that,
> almost without exception, end up expanding the state
> of the art of
> synthesizer design.
>
> > From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@...>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:39:28 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > Below is a copy of your email reply to Mark
> Wallis in July when
> > he thought he had been removed from the group.
>
> Okay.
>
> > I don't recall Mike making any threats.
>
> So I'm not allowed to elevate the standards of the
> list? Would you be
> happier if I lowered the standards? I'm sure you
> would.
>
> > I remember some one ( but not who) saying that
> one needed a very
> > thick skin to be on the list. I think this is
> true,
>
> I agree, and that's a Really Bad Thing. Why should
> anybody need a
> thick skin? Why shouldn't somebody be able to make
> an insightful
> point about music without a gang of brutes roughing
> him up? Why
> shouldn't newcomers be welcomed in? Why shouldn't
> people be treated
> with respect?
>
> > From: Jim Anderson <jimanderson@...>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:26:17 -0800
> >
> > I'd say for truth of advertising we should just
> rename the list to
> > Mellotronassholeists and welcome everyone.
>
> Jim, you have nailed the issue right there.
>
> > From: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:40:47 -0600
> >
> > I'm not going to venture an opinion on the list
> as to whether
> > Mike should be a member or not. I only wish to
> remind everyone
> > that this is a private group that is owned and
> moderated solely
> > by Don under Yahoo's terms, and while things
> are obviously
> > free-ranging it is still Don's Yahoo! Group and
> not a democracy.
>
> Jonesalley is correct. But it's nothing really. By
> nothing I mean
> it's a free service provided by Yahoo.
>
> > From: lsf5275@...
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:36:02 EST
> >
> > Jon, without a doubt, that is (some of) the
> lamest bullshit I
> > have ever read on this list.
>
> No Frank, it's absolutely true.
>
> > Jon, Don might have started this list, but it
> now transcends
> > him. It isn't his. It is all of ours and we
> trust him to moderate
> > it. But to do so, he must remain neutral and
> follow a fair set
> > of rules. He doesn't get to throw people out
> that piss him
> > off. That's not fair. We should all have a say.
>
> Only in your fertile imagination, Frank.
>
> > Moderate, don't censor.
>
> First off, moderating a list takes way too much
> time. The moderator
> has to read and decide on each posting in a timely
> manner. I don't
> have time for that. You see, I have a life, a
> family, a day job, and
> literally hundreds of really important projects I'm
> working on. Hell,
> I don't even have time to read all my hate mail.
>
> Secondly, if a list needs to be moderated, it's
> proof positive that
> the participants are far too immature to interact
> without adult
> supervision.
>
> Third, you're advocating censorship.
>
> Fourth, don't be telling me what to do.
>
> > From: Rick Blechta <rick@...>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:50 -0500
> >
> > Could I respectfully point out that at the
> beginning of this debacle,
> > you were what I considered very rude to me?
>
> Oh crap, I may have Blechta and Dickson confused.
> Did I throw out the
> wrong guy? :-)
>
> ----------------
>
> So, the issue here is that the manager of this list
> is at odds with
> the content of this list. It's not doing any good
> for music or
> musical instruments, two things I care very much
> about. There's way
> too much rudeness, way too much fighting, nothing
> positive. And
> positivity is something I also care about.
>
> So I'm thinking this list, while started with the
> best of intentions,
> is actually doing more harm than good. And that's
> not a good thing.
>
> -- Don
>
> --
> Don Tillman
> Palo Alto, California
> don@...
> http://www.till.com
>
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