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Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-22 by joachim.milson@...

In the last five years, I’ve been working on the CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram.

I cleaned the original scan, but also added colors to help localize the boards.

A lot of typos and oversights had to be fixed too (using either the service manual, or the CS-80 itself as a reference when needed). The layout of some parts was also modified to make understanding easier (this is particularly noticeable with the M board).

The file is provided as is.
If you still find errors, feel free to use this topic to list them. I'll update the file.

The file is a 14MB jpeg. Due to file uploading issues, I had to put it in a five parts split zip.


Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-22 by laurie@...

Hi ... thankyou for your effort

I downloaded the 5 files but my extracting programs says the file is corrupt and none of them will open.... could you re check

Thanks again for your work.......

Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-22 by Daniel Forró

Same here, I'm on Mac... but maybe the reason is I had few days ago HD crash and still didn't re-install all my apps...

Thanks in advance.

Daniel Forro


On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:07 PM, laurie@... [yamahacs80] wrote:



Hi ... thankyou for your effort

I downloaded the 5 files but my extracting programs says the file is corrupt and none of them will open.... could you re check 

Thanks again for your work....... 

Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-22 by joachim.milson@...

Downloading and unzipping the files works fine for me.

Here are the exact file sizes for you to check:
size of files with extensions . z01 to .z04 is 3MB exactly (that is 3 145 728 bytes)
size of file with extension .zip is 2 101 579 bytes.

The split zip files were created with Winzip, which does a good job as a rule.
I tested the unzip process using Windows 7 native zip, and it works like a charm.

I'm sorry for having to split the file, but there is a 10 MB limit on file uploads imposed by Yahoo and furthermore, I could never upload files greater than 3 MB.

Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-22 by Florian Anwander

Hello,

It worked for me fine on Windows 7

download all five files
CS80_Diagram.z01
CS80_Diagram.z02
CS80_Diagram.z03
CS80_Diagram.z04
CS80_Diagram.zip
put them in one directory
doubleclick on CS80_Diagram.zip

For those who still are hav'ing troubles I uploaded it unzipped to my
website:
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/yamaha_cs60/CS80_overall_circuit_diagram_fixed.jpg

Florian
Am 22.12.2014 um 15:16 schrieb joachim.milson@... [yamahacs80]:
>
> Downloading and unzipping the files works fine for me.
>

Re: Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-22 by laurie

thats exactly what I did... it said the cs80_diagram.zip was corrupt....  what is your default unzipping program on your version of windows 7?
 
perhaps I DLoaded too soon.... seems yahoo informed by email me 6 files were added 20 minutes after I replied...

 

---- On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:30:26 -0600 Florian Anwander fanwander@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote ----
 

Hello,

It worked for me fine on Windows 7

download all five files
CS80_Diagram.z01
CS80_Diagram.z02
CS80_Diagram.z03
CS80_Diagram.z04
CS80_Diagram.zip
put them in one directory
doubleclick on CS80_Diagram.zip

For those who still are hav'ing troubles I uploaded it unzipped to my
website:
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/yamaha_cs60/CS80_overall_circuit_diagram_fixed.jpg

Florian
Am 22.12.2014 um 15:16 schrieb joachim.milson@... [yamahacs80]:
>
> Downloading and unzipping the files works fine for me.
>



Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-29 by joachim.milson@...

I just created a dedicated site where I'll share several resources concerning the CS-80 (among other things).
So I moved the Overall Circuit Diagram there:
   http://joachim.milson.free.fr
and removed it from the Files section of the group.
That should make things easier for everyone.

Sorry for the initial difficulties and thank you Florian for having hosted the file in between.

CS80 website - Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2014-12-30 by David Rogoff

Hi Joachim,

It’s always great having folks collect and provide documentation for synths.   However, I don’t know if you’ve seen some of the existing sites that already have done this.  Crow’s page, www.cs80.com, has been around a long, long time with lots of good info.  My site, http://therogoffs.com/cs80 , has been around many years and has owners and service manuals for almost every Yamaha analog synth along with lots of pics of work on them.  

I’ve looked into setting up my own forum to replace this Yahoo group since it doesn’t support things like posting RTF or images.  However, I haven’t had the time to get it all working.

 David

On Dec 29, 2014, at 2:38 PM, joachim.milson@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I just created a dedicated site where I'll share several resources concerning the CS-80 (among other things).

Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2015-01-11 by joachim.milson@...

Hi David,

Of course I'm aware of the two sites you mention. I have browsed them both more than once. Without them, my project would certainly not be well under way as it is today.

I want to share my reworked CS-80's overall circuit diagram with the people interested in studying it. The original printed version has so many errors (just to mention drawing errors or oversights), I can't count them. I fixed most of them with the diagrams of the service manual and the circuit boards. Working on the interactive diagram for the site, lately, I still found a few errors (less important, but errors anyway). Sometimes, the layout is unduly complex (but all was hand-drawn then). I try to make it more immediately understandable.

I just uploaded the interactive diagram. For the moment, only one third is interactive (the left part).
I hope it will be of some help for newcomers who wish to understand the inner working of the beast.

Joachim

Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2017-01-05 by noddyspuncture@...

Hi folks,

Currently I am looking at the 'M' boards in one of my CS80's with view to recapping and I had a look at the circuit diagram to cross ref against what I see on the board.

On the board I see 4x 100uF capacitors... yet the schematic only shows 2 (near the IG00153).
I cannot find the single 33uF cap on the board which is shown near the VCA/IC1 on the schematic.
I am assuming that they fitted a 100uF there - which still leaves one of the 100uF caps unaccounted for..!

I also see 4x 4.7uF polarised caps on the board... yet the schematic shows only 2 (across the power rails next to each IG00156)

There also seems to be 4.7uF anomaly though... the polarised ones are 50v rated whereas the non-polarised ones are 16v rated on the schematic. Also on the schematic, non-polarised 4.7uF are marked 'NP' but the one near the IG00153 shows as 16v but doesn't make any reference to polarisation..!

So the question is which are these other 4.7uF polarised caps...?

I think the schematic needs updating here as well..!?

Cheers,
Tom



Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2017-01-08 by joachim.milson@...

Hi Tom,

Thanks for pointing these issues.

You're right concerning the 100uF capacitors. There are 4 decoupling capacitors; two between ground and +15V, and two between ground and -15V. I changed the 33uF one near the IC1 to a 100uF, and I added a new 100uF one near the IC3 (which corresponds roughly to where it really lies on the board).

As for the 4.7uF capacitors, those on my boards are in compliance with the schematics. Two are polarized and are yet other decoupling capacitors (between -15V and +15V, this time). The other two are non polarized and are located near IC8 and IC9.

I updated the overall circuit diagram to reflect these. It is available here.

I also put in the photo gallery of the CS80 group a copy of the M-board schematic (p44 of the service manual) where I highlighted the 42 capacitors, and also fixed a couple of missing components and a label inversion (fixed in red). You can find it here.

Joachim

Re: [yamahacs80] Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2017-01-10 by David Rogoff

Speaking of replacing caps.  For years, I’ve replaced tantalums whenever working on old gear because of their problems like exploding.  There’s one-per-note on the TSB boards.  I just read in eetimes.com that there’s another important reason:


I had no idea they were connected with conflict minerals!

And I also didn’t realized what this did to the price when companies switched to non-conflict sources a few years ago:


 David


On Jan 8, 2017, at 9:17 AM, joachim.milson@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hi Tom,

Thanks for pointing these issues.

You're right concerning the 100uF capacitors. There are 4 decoupling capacitors; two between ground and +15V, and two between ground and -15V. I changed the 33uF one near the IC1 to a 100uF, and I added a new 100uF one near the IC3 (which corresponds roughly to where it really lies on the board).

As for the 4.7uF capacitors, those on my boards are in compliance with the schematics. Two are polarized and are yet other decoupling capacitors (between -15V and +15V, this time). The other two are non polarized and are located near IC8 and IC9.

I updated the overall circuit diagram to reflect these. It is available here.

I also put in the photo gallery of the CS80 group a copy of the M-board schematic (p44 of the service manual) where I highlighted the 42 capacitors, and also fixed a couple of missing components and a label inversion (fixed in red). You can find it here.

Joachim 


Re: [yamahacs80] Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2017-01-10 by Tommy Priakos

Whoa! That is incredible background info. So if we've never replaced those caps, would our CS-80s have these minerals of conflict? If so, it would be my only keyboard that has a scandalous reputation, ha! 

Well, I have no background history on it when Roy Orbison owned it, Who knows the things that might've gone on around it when he had it in his studio!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:13 PM, David Rogoff david@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Speaking of replacing caps.  For years, I’ve replaced tantalums whenever working on old gear because of their problems like exploding.  There’s one-per-note on the TSB boards.  I just read in eetimes.com that there’s another important reason:


I had no idea they were connected with conflict minerals!

And I also didn’t realized what this did to the price when companies switched to non-conflict sources a few years ago:


 David


On Jan 8, 2017, at 9:17 AM, joachim.milson@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hi Tom,

Thanks for pointing these issues.

You're right concerning the 100uF capacitors. There are 4 decoupling capacitors; two between ground and +15V, and two between ground and -15V. I changed the 33uF one near the IC1 to a 100uF, and I added a new 100uF one near the IC3 (which corresponds roughly to where it really lies on the board).

As for the 4.7uF capacitors, those on my boards are in compliance with the schematics. Two are polarized and are yet other decoupling capacitors (between -15V and +15V, this time). The other two are non polarized and are located near IC8 and IC9.

I updated the overall circuit diagram to reflect these. It is available here.

I also put in the photo gallery of the CS80 group a copy of the M-board schematic (p44 of the service manual) where I highlighted the 42 capacitors, and also fixed a couple of missing components and a label inversion (fixed in red). You can find it here.

Joachim 


Power Supply Schematic - Diode D716 Correction

2018-10-14 by synthrodriguez@...

Thank you Joachim for your efforts! I have a huge print of the overall schematic hanging in the shop, nice!

I have begun my restoration of an inop unit, starting with the power supply. An error I found on the original drawing is the line that shows diode D716 tied to diode D714. This is incorrect.

The cathode side of D716 should be tied to ground, and the anode side of D714 should be tied to ground. That is, there should be a tie-dot at the intersection of the GND1 line and the line crossing it that connects the cathode of D716 and the anode of D714. This is verified on the actual circuit board here on the bench.

A question for the group is, what is the correct diode type for D716? The (bad) component here pulled from my board was a zener which doesn't match the schematic which shows a regular diode and doesn't seem to make sense as a protection device.

The CS-50 and CS-60 diagrams don't have this diode in the circuit, and the board trace in the CS-80 manual doesn't have it either. The manual board trace does not match my circuit board in several areas. Is there an updated one somewhere?

Thanks,

Scott

Re: Clean CS-80 Overall Circuit Diagram

2018-11-11 by joachim.milson@...

Thanks Scott for picking up this one. I added the missing dot to the diagram.
By the way, the D716 diode is missing on the SVU circuit diagram of the service manual, but present on the circuit board (and drawn as a regular diode). It must have been a late added component. (The circuit diagram shows numerous other modifications also.)

Joachim