Yamaha CS80

I know, that the "Bladerunner sound" was discussed a lot. But I am curious about another aspect of "Bladerunnerish" Brass: I am talking about the beautiful phasing you hear starting at around 1:32 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uUyfFvpL9E . It´s much slower than sub-oscillator and detuning does not give this effect for me. The best result so far I got with ring modulator set on slow osc, little modulation and big depth - but I am not sure Vangelis did it that way. What do you think?

have you tried asking the man himself?
-might work


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From: pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...>
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:47 AM
Subject: [yamahacs80] How did Vangelis do it?



 
I know, that the "Bladerunner sound" was discussed a lot. But I am curious about another aspect of "Bladerunnerish" Brass: I am talking about the beautiful phasing you hear starting at around 1:32 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uUyfFvpL9E . It´s much slower than sub-oscillator and detuning does not give this effect for me. The best result so far I got with ring modulator set on slow osc, little modulation and big depth - but I am not sure Vangelis did it that way. What do you think?




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brass 1 & 2 plus little sine modulation.
The secret it's general brilliance to 0 and long reverb by lexicon 480L.
It's not detuning but reverb early reflection.


2013/8/20 pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...>

> I know, that the "Bladerunner sound" was discussed a lot. But I am curious
> about another aspect of "Bladerunnerish" Brass: I am talking about the
> beautiful phasing you hear starting at around 1:32 of this video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uUyfFvpL9E . It´s much slower than
> sub-oscillator and detuning does not give this effect for me. The best
> result so far I got with ring modulator set on slow osc, little modulation
> and big depth - but I am not sure Vangelis did it that way. What do you
> think?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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I think you will find that it is the original Lexicon 224 reverb (not X or XL) precursor to the 480L

I have one and it is definitely 'the sound' I add a bit of Lexicon PCM-41 delay and set the controls to the heart of the sun...

On 21/08/2013, at 4:47 AM, "pyjamagroove" <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:

> I know, that the "Bladerunner sound" was discussed a lot. But I am curious about another aspect of "Bladerunnerish" Brass: I am talking about the beautiful phasing you hear starting at around 1:32 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uUyfFvpL9E . It�s much slower than sub-oscillator and detuning does not give this effect for me. The best result so far I got with ring modulator set on slow osc, little modulation and big depth - but I am not sure Vangelis did it that way. What do you think?
>
>



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Agreed, i think its just the brass 1+2 presets and a nice Lexicon hall
What sort of predelay do you like on your 480L?

> brass 1 & 2 plus little sine modulation.
> The secret it's general brilliance to 0 and long reverb by lexicon 480L.
> It's not detuning but reverb early reflection.
>
>
> 2013/8/20 pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...>
>
>> I know, that the "Bladerunner sound" was discussed a lot. But I am curious
>> about another aspect of "Bladerunnerish" Brass: I am talking about the
>> beautiful phasing you hear starting at around 1:32 of this video
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uUyfFvpL9E . It´s much slower than
>> sub-oscillator and detuning does not give this effect for me. The best
>> result so far I got with ring modulator set on slow osc, little modulation
>> and big depth - but I am not sure Vangelis did it that way. What do you
>> think?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I can confirm it's the brass 1+2 and the Lexicon 224. If you don't mind
using software, the Valhalla Vintage Verb is outstanding at doing that
type of reverb. We're currently working on a Blade Runner tribute using
a very similar setup as Vangelis did. Will tell you more about that soon :)

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blchrr@... skrev 2013-08-21 00:38:

>
> Agreed, i think its just the brass 1+2 presets and a nice Lexicon hall
> What sort of predelay do you like on your 480L?
>
> > brass 1 & 2 plus little sine modulation.
> > The secret it's general brilliance to 0 and long reverb by lexicon 480L.
> > It's not detuning but reverb early reflection.
> >
> >
> > 2013/8/20 pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...
> <mailto:pyjamagroove%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> >> I know, that the "Bladerunner sound" was discussed a lot. But I am
> curious
> >> about another aspect of "Bladerunnerish" Brass: I am talking about the
> >> beautiful phasing you hear starting at around 1:32 of this video
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uUyfFvpL9E . It´s much slower than
> >> sub-oscillator and detuning does not give this effect for me. The best
> >> result so far I got with ring modulator set on slow osc, little
> modulation
> >> and big depth - but I am not sure Vangelis did it that way. What do you
> >> think?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Thanks guys.
I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....

Eventide are great for huge reverbs, try "black hole" on your Space pedal.
But its true, there's nothing quite as lush as a Lexicon 224.
UAD have the 224 plugin did you try that? Not as nice as the hardware but
still pretty close.
In terms of old Lexicon hardware the 200 or 300 probably represent the best
value if you cant get a cheap 224.
Also the old Alesis and Dynacord reverbs are really good for that type of
rich hall reverb sound

> Thanks guys.
> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
>

I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.

I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.

It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.

ramble over.

On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:

> Thanks guys.
> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
>
>



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Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.

Sent from my iPad

On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:

> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
>
> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
>
> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
>
> ramble over.
>
>
> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys.
>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Kent,

Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?

When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
haha

To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
any hint of ring modulation.

The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo

My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
that key into the ignition....

Cheers

> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
>
>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
>>
>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
>>
>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
>>
>> ramble over.
>>
>>
>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>

Hi Kent,

That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.

How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot�with tech assistance of course.

Cheers,
N

On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:

> Hi Kent,
>
> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
>
> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
> haha
>
> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
> any hint of ring modulation.
>
> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
>
> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
> that key into the ignition....
>
> Cheers
>
> > Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
> >
> >> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
> >>
> >> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
> >>
> >> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
> >>
> >> ramble over.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks guys.
> >>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> >>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>



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Try this out. To me the Vangelis sound has the highs accentuated by EQ or is maybe more brilliant. It was professionally recorded so hard to say which.

Here is some snaps of the patch that I set up. Not perfect but you can hear the subtle phasing induced by the ring modulator.

Pretty geeky, but a bit of fun!


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On 21/08/2013, at 11:04 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:

> Hi Kent,
>
> That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.
>
> How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot�with tech assistance of course.
>
> Cheers,
> N
>
> On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:
>
>> Hi Kent,
>>
>> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
>>
>> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
>> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
>> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
>> haha
>>
>> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
>> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
>> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
>> any hint of ring modulation.
>>
>> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
>> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
>>
>> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
>> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
>> that key into the ignition....
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
>>>>
>>>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
>>>>
>>>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
>>>>
>>>> ramble over.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks guys.
>>>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
>>>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>



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I will post the patch images to the photos area

On 23/08/2013, at 1:49 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:

> Try this out. To me the Vangelis sound has the highs accentuated by EQ or is maybe more brilliant. It was professionally recorded so hard to say which.
>
> Here is some snaps of the patch that I set up. Not perfect but you can hear the subtle phasing induced by the ring modulator.
>
> Pretty geeky, but a bit of fun!
>
>
> ----------
>
>
> On 21/08/2013, at 11:04 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kent,
>>
>> That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.
>>
>> How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot…with tech assistance of course.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> N
>>
>> On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kent,
>>>
>>> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
>>>
>>> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
>>> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
>>> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
>>> haha
>>>
>>> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
>>> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
>>> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
>>> any hint of ring modulation.
>>>
>>> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
>>> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
>>>
>>> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
>>> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
>>> that key into the ignition....
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> ramble over.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks guys.
>>>>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
>>>>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>

Great stuff. Thanks for posting. Are you sure about the filter settings? (pretty open). Will try anyway.
That's a beautiful CS80 you got there btw.!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
>
> I will post the patch images to the photos area
>
>
> On 23/08/2013, at 1:49 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
>
> > Try this out. To me the Vangelis sound has the highs accentuated by EQ or is maybe more brilliant. It was professionally recorded so hard to say which.
> >
> > Here is some snaps of the patch that I set up. Not perfect but you can hear the subtle phasing induced by the ring modulator.
> >
> > Pretty geeky, but a bit of fun!
> >
> >
> > ----------
> >
> >
> > On 21/08/2013, at 11:04 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Kent,
> >>
> >> That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.
> >>
> >> How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot…with tech assistance of course.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> N
> >>
> >> On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Kent,
> >>>
> >>> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
> >>>
> >>> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
> >>> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
> >>> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
> >>> haha
> >>>
> >>> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
> >>> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
> >>> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
> >>> any hint of ring modulation.
> >>>
> >>> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
> >>> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
> >>>
> >>> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
> >>> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
> >>> that key into the ignition....
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ramble over.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks guys.
> >>>>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> >>>>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >
>

Thanks PJGroove. I think the patch could still use some tweaking but when I move away from the settings I posted it loses that modulated phasing. The Blade runner patch has a brightness that could be just EQ or the recorded sound (as I'm playing mine 'live' it's hard to compare.

I'm also running it through the 224 so I suggest putting at least a long delay on it or better yet a big reverb. When I play lightly with these settings my CS80 is definitely in the ballpark of the BR main titles sound. I'll post a sound file when I get the chance.

On 23/08/2013, at 5:37 PM, "pyjamagroove" <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:

> Great stuff. Thanks for posting. Are you sure about the filter settings? (pretty open). Will try anyway.
> That's a beautiful CS80 you got there btw.!
>
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> >
> > I will post the patch images to the photos area
> >
> >
> > On 23/08/2013, at 1:49 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Try this out. To me the Vangelis sound has the highs accentuated by EQ or is maybe more brilliant. It was professionally recorded so hard to say which.
> > >
> > > Here is some snaps of the patch that I set up. Not perfect but you can hear the subtle phasing induced by the ring modulator.
> > >
> > > Pretty geeky, but a bit of fun!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21/08/2013, at 11:04 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Kent,
> > >>
> > >> That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.
> > >>
> > >> How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot�with tech assistance of course.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> N
> > >>
> > >> On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Kent,
> > >>>
> > >>> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
> > >>>
> > >>> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
> > >>> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
> > >>> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
> > >>> haha
> > >>>
> > >>> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
> > >>> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
> > >>> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
> > >>> any hint of ring modulation.
> > >>>
> > >>> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
> > >>> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
> > >>>
> > >>> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
> > >>> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
> > >>> that key into the ignition....
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>>
> > >>>> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPad
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ramble over.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks guys.
> > >>>>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> > >>>>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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any chance you are mistaking the polyphonic aftertouch brilliance shifting between fingers as the phasing you hear in the verb? (different filtercutoffs per each note based on pressure) combining the shifting filters inside a verb unit could appear as phase shifting especially if there is a slight bit of overall resonance added to the preset...

 -----Original Message-----

> From: "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...>
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 08/23/13 03:11
> Subject: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [yamahacs80] Re: How did Vangelis do it?
>
> Thanks PJGroove. I think the patch could still use some tweaking but when I move away from the settings I posted it loses that modulated phasing.  The Blade runner patch has a brightness that could be just EQ or the recorded sound (as I'm playing mine 'live' it's hard to compare.
>
> I'm also running it through the 224 so I suggest putting at least a long delay on it or better yet a big reverb. When I play lightly with these settings my CS80 is definitely in the ballpark of the BR main titles sound.  I'll post a sound file when I get the chance.
>
> On 23/08/2013, at 5:37 PM, "pyjamagroove" <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
>
> > Great stuff. Thanks for posting. Are you sure about the filter settings? (pretty open). Will try anyway.
> > That's a beautiful CS80 you got there btw.!
> >
> > --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I will post the patch images to the photos area
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/08/2013, at 1:49 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Try this out. To me the Vangelis sound has the highs accentuated by EQ or is maybe more brilliant. It was professionally recorded so hard to say which.
> > > >
> > > > Here is some snaps of the patch that I set up. Not perfect but you can hear the subtle phasing induced by the ring modulator.
> > > >
> > > > Pretty geeky, but a bit of fun!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 21/08/2013, at 11:04 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Kent,
> > > >>
> > > >> That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.
> > > >>
> > > >> How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot with tech assistance of course.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> N
> > > >>
> > > >> On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi Kent,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
> > > >>> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
> > > >>> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
> > > >>> haha
> > > >>>
> > > >>> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
> > > >>> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
> > > >>> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
> > > >>> any hint of ring modulation.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
> > > >>> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
> > > >>> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
> > > >>> that key into the ignition....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sent from my iPad
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ramble over.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks guys.
> > > >>>>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> > > >>>>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >>>>>
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> > > >>>>>
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Hi Laurie, I agree, I don't think the phasing effect is coming from the reverb but from the poly brilliance/resonance as you say. I think there are a few things at play but mostly the modulated opening of the filter per note is the main part of it.

On 23/08/2013, at 11:12 PM, "Laurie Curry" <laurie@...> wrote:

>
> any chance you are mistaking the polyphonic aftertouch brilliance shifting between fingers as the phasing you hear in the verb? (different filtercutoffs per each note based on pressure) combining the shifting filters inside a verb unit could appear as phase shifting especially if there is a slight bit of overall resonance added to the preset...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...>
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: 08/23/13 03:11
> > Subject: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [yamahacs80] Re: How did Vangelis do it?
> >
> > Thanks PJGroove. I think the patch could still use some tweaking but when I move away from the settings I posted it loses that modulated phasing. The Blade runner patch has a brightness that could be just EQ or the recorded sound (as I'm playing mine 'live' it's hard to compare.
> >
> > I'm also running it through the 224 so I suggest putting at least a long delay on it or better yet a big reverb. When I play lightly with these settings my CS80 is definitely in the ballpark of the BR main titles sound. I'll post a sound file when I get the chance.
> >
> > On 23/08/2013, at 5:37 PM, "pyjamagroove" <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Great stuff. Thanks for posting. Are you sure about the filter settings? (pretty open). Will try anyway.
> > > That's a beautiful CS80 you got there btw.!
> > >
> > > --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I will post the patch images to the photos area
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 23/08/2013, at 1:49 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Try this out. To me the Vangelis sound has the highs accentuated by EQ or is maybe more brilliant. It was professionally recorded so hard to say which.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is some snaps of the patch that I set up. Not perfect but you can hear the subtle phasing induced by the ring modulator.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pretty geeky, but a bit of fun!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 21/08/2013, at 11:04 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Kent,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot with tech assistance of course.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> N
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi Kent,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
> > > > >>> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
> > > > >>> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
> > > > >>> haha
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
> > > > >>> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
> > > > >>> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
> > > > >>> any hint of ring modulation.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
> > > > >>> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
> > > > >>> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
> > > > >>> that key into the ignition....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Cheers
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sent from my iPad
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ramble over.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Thanks guys.
> > > > >>>>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> > > > >>>>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
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The "phasing" sound is from when the two banks / oscillators are really close together in tune in the same octaves. But not perfectly in tune, in which case the phasing would stop. If yours is in tune (heh!), try carefully adjusting the Detune CH II to get the effect. Other than the great Lexicon reverb, who knows what went on in the post processing.. Touch of eq, volume fades, etc.. basic mixing stuff I suppose. --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, <nigelc@...> wrote: Hi Laurie, I agree, I don't think the phasing effect is coming from the reverb but from the poly brilliance/resonance as you say. I think there are a few things at play but mostly the modulated opening of the filter per note is the main part of it.

On 23/08/2013, at 11:12 PM, "Laurie Curry" < laurie@... > wrote:

>
> any chance you are mistaking the polyphonic aftertouch brilliance shifting between fingers as the phasing you hear in the verb? (different filtercutoffs per each note based on pressure) combining the shifting filters inside a verb unit could appear as phase shifting especially if there is a slight bit of overall resonance added to the preset...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Nigel Cruickshank" < nigelc@... >
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: 08/23/13 03:11
> > Subject: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [yamahacs80] Re: How did Vangelis do it?
> >
> > Thanks PJGroove. I think the patch could still use some tweaking but when I move away from the settings I posted it loses that modulated phasing. The Blade runner patch has a brightness that could be just EQ or the recorded sound (as I'm playing mine 'live' it's hard to compare.
> >
> > I'm also running it through the 224 so I suggest putting at least a long delay on it or better yet a big reverb. When I play lightly with these settings my CS80 is definitely in the ballpark of the BR main titles sound. I'll post a sound file when I get the chance.
> >
> > On 23/08/2013, at 5:37 PM, "pyjamagroove" < pyjamagroove@... > wrote:
> >
> > > Great stuff. Thanks for posting. Are you sure about the filter settings? (pretty open). Will try anyway.
> > > That's a beautiful CS80 you got there btw.!
> > >
> > > --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com , Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I will post the patch images to the photos area
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 23/08/2013, at 1:49 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Try this out. To me the Vangelis sound has the highs accentuated by EQ or is maybe more brilliant. It was professionally recorded so hard to say which.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is some snaps of the patch that I set up. Not perfect but you can hear the subtle phasing induced by the ring modulator.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pretty geeky, but a bit of fun!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 21/08/2013, at 11:04 PM, Nigel Cruickshank <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Kent,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That could well be it. Pity I didn't get you to implement the mod while you had my 80.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How difficult would it be to perform if I were to give it a shot with tech assistance of course.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> N
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 21/08/2013, at 10:55 PM, blchrr@... wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi Kent,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Whats the details of the dual LFO mod?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> When you say reprogramming the presets, i guess that would mean changing
> > > > >>> multiple resistors to different values on those dedicated "memory" pcbs,
> > > > >>> that must be a really labourious task, poor dusty i bet he hated the CS80
> > > > >>> haha
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> To my ears the brass sound the original poster linked to is just the Brass
> > > > >>> 1+2 presets into a Lexicon 224, with the performance controls tweaked to
> > > > >>> taste (lfo to vco speed and depth and the brilliance controls) i dont hear
> > > > >>> any hint of ring modulation.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The 224 does add a lot to the sound. All reverbs are not created equal if
> > > > >>> you guys have a UAD card check out the 224 plugin demo
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> My 80 hasnt been turned on in a while, poor baby, its like a vintage Rolls
> > > > >>> Royce that hasnt been on a run out for a while, its nerve racking putting
> > > > >>> that key into the ignition....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Cheers
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Vangelis would get Dusty Miller to reprogram the presets to sound the way he liked, there was also the duel LFO mod he had fitted to many of his 80's. You may be trying to recreate a sound a standard 80 just can not do.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sent from my iPad
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 21 Aug 2013, at 11:13, "Nigel Cruickshank" <nigelc@...> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> I had a fool around today and I don't think that sound is specifically coming from the reverb.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I found touches of that sound by finely tuning the ring mod, sub osc and aftertouch settings. I had the overall brilliance at 0 and the sound was tuned using the VCF aftertouch modulation, Sub OSC speed and might modulation amount on the ring mod, low (or minimum) speed, high depth.The attack time and delay settings really helped tune the effect.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> It really is about finding the right balance of thee controls. I am certain that the sound is based on the presets. I matched them over the panel to tweak and see if the original Blade Runner sound was made by duplicating and altering the preset brass, but any changes moved way from 'that' sound.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ramble over.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 21/08/2013, at 7:20 PM, pyjamagroove <pyjamagroove@...> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Thanks guys.
> > > > >>>>>> I would never think that that phasing sweep comes from an reverb....
> > > > >>>>>> Is it possible to recreate tis effect on another reverb unit? I have a Eventide Space and Berhinger V-Verb.....
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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