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Cloning the IG00151 VCA

Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-13 by organissimo

Hello folks!

I'm new to the group.  I just purchased a Yamaha CS50 that only has one voice card fully functioning.  Thankfully I got the synth very cheap.  I've traced the issues down to two EGs and a couple VCAs.  But as everyone knows, those proprietary Yamaha chips are becoming more and more scarce.  This is a problem that will only be exacerbated as time marches on.

I've found some old posts on this group from Scott Rider (Old Crow) concerning re-creating some of these chips.  I've emailed Scott but have yet to hear back.  It seems he hasn't posted in a few years as well.  I hope he is ok.

Has anyone else looked into re-creating these chips?  I'm not an electronics engineer by any stretch of the imagination.  But it seems like it would be possible, using modern components like the THAT 2181 VCA, to create a viable substitute for chips like the IG00151 VCA.

Thoughts?
----Jim

Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-13 by J. Douglas Rodriguez

If someone actually cloned these chips, we'd all sleep easier at night, right?

Doug



On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:19 PM, "organissimo" <b3groover@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello folks!
> 
> I'm new to the group. I just purchased a Yamaha CS50 that only has one voice card fully functioning. Thankfully I got the synth very cheap. I've traced the issues down to two EGs and a couple VCAs. But as everyone knows, those proprietary Yamaha chips are becoming more and more scarce. This is a problem that will only be exacerbated as time marches on.
> 
> I've found some old posts on this group from Scott Rider (Old Crow) concerning re-creating some of these chips. I've emailed Scott but have yet to hear back. It seems he hasn't posted in a few years as well. I hope he is ok.
> 
> Has anyone else looked into re-creating these chips? I'm not an electronics engineer by any stretch of the imagination. But it seems like it would be possible, using modern components like the THAT 2181 VCA, to create a viable substitute for chips like the IG00151 VCA.
> 
> Thoughts?
> ----Jim
> 
> 


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-13 by b3groover

Well, Scott Rider was working on it according to this post two years ago:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/2481

I really hope he's okay.  He hasn't posted here in years.

----Jim

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:47 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez
<floobygoop@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> If someone actually cloned these chips, we'd all sleep easier at night,
> right?
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:19 PM, "organissimo" <b3groover@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello folks!
> >
> > I'm new to the group. I just purchased a Yamaha CS50 that only has one
> voice card fully functioning. Thankfully I got the synth very cheap. I've
> traced the issues down to two EGs and a couple VCAs. But as everyone knows,
> those proprietary Yamaha chips are becoming more and more scarce. This is a
> problem that will only be exacerbated as time marches on.
> >
> > I've found some old posts on this group from Scott Rider (Old Crow)
> concerning re-creating some of these chips. I've emailed Scott but have yet
> to hear back. It seems he hasn't posted in a few years as well. I hope he
> is ok.
> >
> > Has anyone else looked into re-creating these chips? I'm not an
> electronics engineer by any stretch of the imagination. But it seems like
> it would be possible, using modern components like the THAT 2181 VCA, to
> create a viable substitute for chips like the IG00151 VCA.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > ----Jim
> >
> >
>
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>
>  
>


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-13 by J. Douglas Rodriguez

Are you serious?  SMD boards to replace the chips?  That would be awesome!  I'd love to get my hands on the details.
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On Nov 13, 2011, at 2:38 PM, b3groover <b3groover@...> wrote:

> Well, Scott Rider was working on it according to this post two years ago:
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/2481
> 
> I really hope he's okay.  He hasn't posted here in years.
> 
> ----Jim
> 
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:47 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez
> <floobygoop@...>wrote:
> 
>> **
>> 
>> 
>> If someone actually cloned these chips, we'd all sleep easier at night,
>> right?
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:19 PM, "organissimo" <b3groover@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello folks!
>>> 
>>> I'm new to the group. I just purchased a Yamaha CS50 that only has one
>> voice card fully functioning. Thankfully I got the synth very cheap. I've
>> traced the issues down to two EGs and a couple VCAs. But as everyone knows,
>> those proprietary Yamaha chips are becoming more and more scarce. This is a
>> problem that will only be exacerbated as time marches on.
>>> 
>>> I've found some old posts on this group from Scott Rider (Old Crow)
>> concerning re-creating some of these chips. I've emailed Scott but have yet
>> to hear back. It seems he hasn't posted in a few years as well. I hope he
>> is ok.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else looked into re-creating these chips? I'm not an
>> electronics engineer by any stretch of the imagination. But it seems like
>> it would be possible, using modern components like the THAT 2181 VCA, to
>> create a viable substitute for chips like the IG00151 VCA.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> ----Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-13 by dzlvs8@yahoo.com

Oh no Jim!   ....And so begins another ones struggle with the CS.  Thats a shame that it actually is proprietary yamaha chips that are the problem.   Keep an eye on ebay.  But honestly, I think I was the last guy that sold a working voice card on ebay....and that was months ago!  Have fun with your monophonic CS50.  
Steve

Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4GLTE
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------Original Message------
From: b3groover <b3groover@...>
To: <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:38:41 PM GMT-0500
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

Well, Scott Rider was working on it according to this post two years ago:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/2481

I really hope he's okay.  He hasn't posted here in years.

----Jim

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:47 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez
<floobygoop@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> If someone actually cloned these chips, we'd all sleep easier at night,
> right?
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:19 PM, "organissimo" <b3groover@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello folks!
> >
> > I'm new to the group. I just purchased a Yamaha CS50 that only has one
> voice card fully functioning. Thankfully I got the synth very cheap. I've
> traced the issues down to two EGs and a couple VCAs. But as everyone knows,
> those proprietary Yamaha chips are becoming more and more scarce. This is a
> problem that will only be exacerbated as time marches on.
> >
> > I've found some old posts on this group from Scott Rider (Old Crow)
> concerning re-creating some of these chips. I've emailed Scott but have yet
> to hear back. It seems he hasn't posted in a few years as well. I hope he
> is ok.
> >
> > Has anyone else looked into re-creating these chips? I'm not an
> electronics engineer by any stretch of the imagination. But it seems like
> it would be possible, using modern components like the THAT 2181 VCA, to
> create a viable substitute for chips like the IG00151 VCA.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > ----Jim
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-13 by David Rogoff

I know he cloned the filter chip and the GX-1 filter module.  The 
designs are built by Paul Schrieber as part of his modular line:
http://www.synthtech.com/motm480.html
http://www.synthtech.com/motm485.html

I haven't heard from Scott in a long time either.  Sometimes people get 
busy with real life :)

  David

> J. Douglas Rodriguez <mailto:floobygoop@...>
> November 13, 2011 2:44 PM
> Are you serious? SMD boards to replace the chips? That would be 
> awesome! I'd love to get my hands on the details.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> b3groover <mailto:b3groover@...>
> November 13, 2011 2:38 PM
> Well, Scott Rider was working on it according to this post two years ago:
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/2481
>
> I really hope he's okay. He hasn't posted here in years.
>
> ----Jim
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:47 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> J. Douglas Rodriguez <mailto:floobygoop@...>
> November 13, 2011 12:47 PM
> If someone actually cloned these chips, we'd all sleep easier at 
> night, right?
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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> organissimo <mailto:b3groover@...>
> November 13, 2011 12:19 PM
> Hello folks!
>
> I'm new to the group. I just purchased a Yamaha CS50 that only has one 
> voice card fully functioning. Thankfully I got the synth very cheap. 
> I've traced the issues down to two EGs and a couple VCAs. But as 
> everyone knows, those proprietary Yamaha chips are becoming more and 
> more scarce. This is a problem that will only be exacerbated as time 
> marches on.
>
> I've found some old posts on this group from Scott Rider (Old Crow) 
> concerning re-creating some of these chips. I've emailed Scott but 
> have yet to hear back. It seems he hasn't posted in a few years as 
> well. I hope he is ok.
>
> Has anyone else looked into re-creating these chips? I'm not an 
> electronics engineer by any stretch of the imagination. But it seems 
> like it would be possible, using modern components like the THAT 2181 
> VCA, to create a viable substitute for chips like the IG00151 VCA.
>
> Thoughts?
> ----Jim
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by The Old Crow

Hey folks,

   Yes I have been very busy, but I am still here.  Overhauling a CS-80 
for someone right now, in fact.
I have tested my IG00153 board, it works fine.  I am trying to get 
several chip-level and modular synthesizer products ready to ship by 
Jan. 1, including the 151, 153 and two 5U modules (GX1 bandpass and VCO153).

Scott Rider
/**/

Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by b3groover

Scott,

So glad you're doing well!  And it's very exciting you're working on
replacements for these hard to source chips.

I will be the first in line for the IG00151 replacements!  Any chance
you're working on EG replacements as well?

This CS50 I picked up appears to be suffering from two bad VCA EGs, one bad
filter EG, and at least two bad VCAs.  :(

----Jim

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:50 PM, The Old Crow <oldcrow@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Yes I have been very busy, but I am still here. Overhauling a CS-80
> for someone right now, in fact.
> I have tested my IG00153 board, it works fine. I am trying to get
> several chip-level and modular synthesizer products ready to ship by
> Jan. 1, including the 151, 153 and two 5U modules (GX1 bandpass and
> VCO153).
>
> Scott Rider
> /**/
>
>  
>


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by J. Douglas Rodriguez

Scott,
Are you selling bare PCBs as well?



On Nov 13, 2011, at 7:50 PM, The Old Crow <oldcrow@...> wrote:

> Hey folks,
> 
> Yes I have been very busy, but I am still here. Overhauling a CS-80 
> for someone right now, in fact.
> I have tested my IG00153 board, it works fine. I am trying to get 
> several chip-level and modular synthesizer products ready to ship by 
> Jan. 1, including the 151, 153 and two 5U modules (GX1 bandpass and VCO153).
> 
> Scott Rider
> /**/
> 
> 


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by David Rogoff

Hi Scott.

Good to hear from you.  Look forward to your new modules!  Will they 
also be through Paul / MOTM?

  David

> The Old Crow <mailto:oldcrow@...>
> November 13, 2011 7:50 PM
> Hey folks,
>
> Yes I have been very busy, but I am still here. Overhauling a CS-80
> for someone right now, in fact.
> I have tested my IG00153 board, it works fine. I am trying to get
> several chip-level and modular synthesizer products ready to ship by
> Jan. 1, including the 151, 153 and two 5U modules (GX1 bandpass and 
> VCO153).
>
> Scott Rider
> /**/


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by Max Fazio

Hi Scott
Welcome back!
M
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Old Crow 
  To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA


    
  Hey folks,

  Yes I have been very busy, but I am still here. Overhauling a CS-80 
  for someone right now, in fact.
  I have tested my IG00153 board, it works fine. I am trying to get 
  several chip-level and modular synthesizer products ready to ship by 
  Jan. 1, including the 151, 153 and two 5U modules (GX1 bandpass and VCO153).

  Scott Rider
  /**/



  

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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by The Old Crow

Hi David,

   The VCO153 and GX1BPF will be assembled 5U-format modules I will be 
offering myself, though my company.  The IG153 (retrofit board for 
IG00153 chip) and JH151 (retrofit for IG00151) are likewise 
pre-assembled SMD boards for use in replacing those custom ICs, and will 
be offered probably around March 2012.  I will also have a small board 
for replacing CA3080 OTAs with a small discrete OTA cell and a board for 
offering a dual matched NPN (or PNP) pairs with an included 1K 3300ppm 
thermal-contact resistor, both boards having a DIL-8 pinout.

   The modules can use a Moog-style front panel if so desired, though 
you would need to get the panels made/lettered--Arrick sells the 
blanks.  At some point I might offer a frac-rack version--we'll see.

   Someone asked about replacing the EG chips.  This is somewhat more 
complicated in that it is hard to get that many parts into a retrofit 
board that would fit reasonably into an IG00152/159 socket location.  
But, I have a solution that involves using a microcontroller to do the 
envelopes with high enough resolution one cannot tell the functions are 
computed in the discrete time domain instead of the continuous time domain.
We'll see.

Regards,

Scott Rider
http://www.cs80.com/
/**/
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On 11/14/2011 9:56 AM, David Rogoff wrote:
> Hi Scott.
>
> Good to hear from you.  Look forward to your new modules!  Will they
> also be through Paul / MOTM?
>
>    David
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by The Old Crow

Bare boards for which?  Most of my stuff uses surface-mount these 
days, which lends itself more to machine assembly.  I might offer the 
VCO and VCF module bare boards as a through-hole option--it depends on 
the demand.

Scott Rider
http://www.cs80.com/
/**/
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On 11/13/2011 10:07 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez wrote:
> Scott,
> Are you selling bare PCBs as well?
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by David Rogoff

Excellent news!  Keep the group informed - lots of potential customers 
here!

Of course, this all begs the question of a complete M-Card replacement...

  David

p.s. - for the M-Card replacement, I'd like additionally selectable 
Oberheim SEM and Moog Ladder (904A AND Minimoog while I'm asking...) 
filters. And don't tell me you haven't thought of (and possibly 
prototyped) this :)   Also much nicer trim pots for tuning and 
calibration - assuming it doesn't have built-in auto-cal!

> The Old Crow <mailto:oldcrow@...>
> November 14, 2011 1:26 PM
> Hi David,
>
> The VCO153 and GX1BPF will be assembled 5U-format modules I will be
> offering myself, though my company. The IG153 (retrofit board for
> IG00153 chip) and JH151 (retrofit for IG00151) are likewise
> pre-assembled SMD boards for use in replacing those custom ICs, and will
> be offered probably around March 2012. I will also have a small board
> for replacing CA3080 OTAs with a small discrete OTA cell and a board for
> offering a dual matched NPN (or PNP) pairs with an included 1K 3300ppm
> thermal-contact resistor, both boards having a DIL-8 pinout.
>
> The modules can use a Moog-style front panel if so desired, though
> you would need to get the panels made/lettered--Arrick sells the
> blanks. At some point I might offer a frac-rack version--we'll see.
>
> Someone asked about replacing the EG chips. This is somewhat more
> complicated in that it is hard to get that many parts into a retrofit
> board that would fit reasonably into an IG00152/159 socket location.
> But, I have a solution that involves using a microcontroller to do the
> envelopes with high enough resolution one cannot tell the functions are
> computed in the discrete time domain instead of the continuous time 
> domain.
> We'll see.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rider
> http://www.cs80.com/
> /**/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> David Rogoff <mailto:david@...>
> November 14, 2011 7:56 AM
> Hi Scott.
>
> Good to hear from you.  Look forward to your new modules!  Will they 
> also be through Paul / MOTM?
>
>  David
>
> The Old Crow <mailto:oldcrow@...>
> November 13, 2011 7:50 PM
> Hey folks,
>
> Yes I have been very busy, but I am still here. Overhauling a CS-80
> for someone right now, in fact.
> I have tested my IG00153 board, it works fine. I am trying to get
> several chip-level and modular synthesizer products ready to ship by
> Jan. 1, including the 151, 153 and two 5U modules (GX1 bandpass and 
> VCO153).
>
> Scott Rider
> /**/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> organissimo <mailto:b3groover@...>
> November 13, 2011 12:19 PM
> Hello folks!
>
> I'm new to the group. I just purchased a Yamaha CS50 that only has one 
> voice card fully functioning. Thankfully I got the synth very cheap. 
> I've traced the issues down to two EGs and a couple VCAs. But as 
> everyone knows, those proprietary Yamaha chips are becoming more and 
> more scarce. This is a problem that will only be exacerbated as time 
> marches on.
>
> I've found some old posts on this group from Scott Rider (Old Crow) 
> concerning re-creating some of these chips. I've emailed Scott but 
> have yet to hear back. It seems he hasn't posted in a few years as 
> well. I hope he is ok.
>
> Has anyone else looked into re-creating these chips? I'm not an 
> electronics engineer by any stretch of the imagination. But it seems 
> like it would be possible, using modern components like the THAT 2181 
> VCA, to create a viable substitute for chips like the IG00151 VCA.
>
> Thoughts?
> ----Jim
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by J. Douglas Rodriguez

I'm interested in the chip replacement boards, the SMD.



On Nov 14, 2011, at 1:32 PM, The Old Crow <oldcrow@...> wrote:

> Bare boards for which? Most of my stuff uses surface-mount these 
> days, which lends itself more to machine assembly. I might offer the 
> VCO and VCF module bare boards as a through-hole option--it depends on 
> the demand.
> 
> Scott Rider
> http://www.cs80.com/
> /**/
> 
> On 11/13/2011 10:07 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez wrote:
> > Scott,
> > Are you selling bare PCBs as well?
> >
> 


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by David Rogoff

>
> Someone asked about replacing the EG chips. This is somewhat more
> complicated in that it is hard to get that many parts into a retrofit
> board that would fit reasonably into an IG00152/159 socket location.
> But, I have a solution that involves using a microcontroller to do the
> envelopes with high enough resolution one cannot tell the functions are
> computed in the discrete time domain instead of the continuous time 
> domain.
Hey - the CS80 already does virtually the same thing for portamento.  It 
digitally steps the DAC and smooths out the steps with a capacitor.


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Re: Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-14 by Quazimodo

This is all really great and exciting news Scott...!

Things have been quiet here recently - what a great thread to start new activity...;c) I for one feel a sense of relief when I hear news like this. And to hear you are also working on the envelope chips is just the cream on the cake!

Thanks for your update sir.

Cheers,
TOM



--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, The Old Crow <oldcrow@...> wrote:
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>
>    Hi David,
> 
>    The VCO153 and GX1BPF will be assembled 5U-format modules I will be 
> offering myself, though my company.  The IG153 (retrofit board for 
> IG00153 chip) and JH151 (retrofit for IG00151) are likewise 
> pre-assembled SMD boards for use in replacing those custom ICs, and will 
> be offered probably around March 2012.  I will also have a small board 
> for replacing CA3080 OTAs with a small discrete OTA cell and a board for 
> offering a dual matched NPN (or PNP) pairs with an included 1K 3300ppm 
> thermal-contact resistor, both boards having a DIL-8 pinout.
> 
>    The modules can use a Moog-style front panel if so desired, though 
> you would need to get the panels made/lettered--Arrick sells the 
> blanks.  At some point I might offer a frac-rack version--we'll see.
> 
>    Someone asked about replacing the EG chips.  This is somewhat more 
> complicated in that it is hard to get that many parts into a retrofit 
> board that would fit reasonably into an IG00152/159 socket location.  
> But, I have a solution that involves using a microcontroller to do the 
> envelopes with high enough resolution one cannot tell the functions are 
> computed in the discrete time domain instead of the continuous time domain.
> We'll see.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rider
> http://www.cs80.com/
> /**/
> On 11/14/2011 9:56 AM, David Rogoff wrote:
> > Hi Scott.
> >
> > Good to hear from you.  Look forward to your new modules!  Will they
> > also be through Paul / MOTM?
> >
> >    David
> >
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-15 by The Old Crow

I have plans to make an SMD M-board.  What I need is to find a spare 
Yamaha M board that isn't priced at $500.  Even one with all the custom 
chips removed is fine as it is mostly needed for metrics.

   As far as other filter topologies, let me get an M board working 
first. ;)  It will have better tuning trimpots, and a better stop 
selector.  I have two outlines for M board refits: original and 
digitized.  The digitized version would use a local microcontroller to 
manage parameter presets...but that is a ways off yet.  The prototypes 
look like Yamaha TF-1 circuit boards because I am using an old TX FM 
rackmount chassis as the test bed.  I call the thing my CSR-80. But 
actual M boards have to fit where vintage ones fit, so eventually it all 
has to be compacted.

Crow
/**/
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On 11/14/2011 3:38 PM, David Rogoff wrote:
> Excellent news!  Keep the group informed - lots of potential customers
> here!
>
> Of course, this all begs the question of a complete M-Card replacement...
>
>    David
>
> p.s. - for the M-Card replacement, I'd like additionally selectable
> Oberheim SEM and Moog Ladder (904A AND Minimoog while I'm asking...)
> filters. And don't tell me you haven't thought of (and possibly
> prototyped) this :)   Also much nicer trim pots for tuning and
> calibration - assuming it doesn't have built-in auto-cal!
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-15 by J. Douglas Rodriguez

I was asking about the SMD boards because I recently learned how to solder 0805 components.  Maybe I'm a little over-enthusiastic, but I feel empowered by the fact that I can do it.  I recently did a layout of a TR-808 bass drum PCB with 0805 parts, I hand soldered the protoboard and it works!  Just the thought of assembling a replacement for a rare chip has me a little excited.  

Doug



On Nov 14, 2011, at 1:32 PM, The Old Crow <oldcrow@oldcrows.net> wrote:

> Bare boards for which? Most of my stuff uses surface-mount these 
> days, which lends itself more to machine assembly. I might offer the 
> VCO and VCF module bare boards as a through-hole option--it depends on 
> the demand.
> 
> Scott Rider
> http://www.cs80.com/
> /**/
> 
> On 11/13/2011 10:07 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez wrote:
> > Scott,
> > Are you selling bare PCBs as well?
> >
> 


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Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-15 by Kent spong

I can send you a M board FOC if you like.
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From: The Old Crow 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:12 AM 
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA 

   I have plans to make an SMD M-board.  What I need is to find a spare 
Yamaha M board that isn't priced at $500.  Even one with all the custom 
chips removed is fine as it is mostly needed for metrics.

   As far as other filter topologies, let me get an M board working 
first. ;)  It will have better tuning trimpots, and a better stop 
selector.  I have two outlines for M board refits: original and 
digitized.  The digitized version would use a local microcontroller to 
manage parameter presets...but that is a ways off yet.  The prototypes 
look like Yamaha TF-1 circuit boards because I am using an old TX FM 
rackmount chassis as the test bed.  I call the thing my CSR-80. But 
actual M boards have to fit where vintage ones fit, so eventually it all 
has to be compacted.

Crow
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On 11/14/2011 3:38 PM, David Rogoff wrote:
> Excellent news!  Keep the group informed - lots of potential customers
> here!
>
> Of course, this all begs the question of a complete M-Card replacement...
>
>    David
>
> p.s. - for the M-Card replacement, I'd like additionally selectable
> Oberheim SEM and Moog Ladder (904A AND Minimoog while I'm asking...)
> filters. And don't tell me you haven't thought of (and possibly
> prototyped) this :)   Also much nicer trim pots for tuning and
> calibration - assuming it doesn't have built-in auto-cal!
>



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SMD boards

2011-11-15 by The Old Crow

If you are familiar with SMD soldering/rework then it should not be a 
problem.  The only challenging parts would be the SOT-363 packages (dual 
matched transistors). --Crow
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On 11/14/2011 7:15 PM, J. Douglas Rodriguez wrote:
> I was asking about the SMD boards because I recently learned how to solder 0805 components.  Maybe I'm a little over-enthusiastic, but I feel empowered by the fact that I can do it.  I recently did a layout of a TR-808 bass drum PCB with 0805 parts, I hand soldered the protoboard and it works!  Just the thought of assembling a replacement for a rare chip has me a little excited.
>
> Doug
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Cloning the IG00151 VCA

2011-11-15 by David Rogoff

> The Old Crow <mailto:oldcrow@...>
> November 14, 2011 5:12 PM
> I have plans to make an SMD M-board. What I need is to find a spare
> Yamaha M board that isn't priced at $500. Even one with all the custom
> chips removed is fine as it is mostly needed for metrics.
>
> As far as other filter topologies, let me get an M board working
> first. ;) It will have better tuning trimpots, and a better stop
> selector. I have two outlines for M board refits: original and
> digitized. The digitized version would use a local microcontroller to
> manage parameter presets...but that is a ways off yet. The prototypes
> look like Yamaha TF-1 circuit boards because I am using an old TX FM
> rackmount chassis as the test bed. I call the thing my CSR-80. But
> actual M boards have to fit where vintage ones fit, so eventually it all
> has to be compacted.
>
>
Super-mega-cool!  Since this is looking real, I have a couple of real 
requests/suggestions (although I'd still love multiple filters!):

  * Put all trimmers and testpoints on front and top of card so cards
    don't have to be removed (or top removed) for full calibration
  * Put most used trim pots (e.g. tuning) on top edge for easiest access
    with card cage down
  * Gate LED!  Simple, but really helpful
  * great if you can find a good high-density connector so
      o all connections on back edge of card
      o board can unplug
      o has to have enough slack on existing harnesses so that all the
        wires can reach this new connector
  * I don't think any clocks (e.g. for digital E.G.s) come to the
    M-Boards. You might want a section of the connector or a 2nd
    connector for new digital and analog signals that would wire to a
    new common board under the keybed for this and future expansion.

OK, I'll stop now...


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