Yamaha CS80

Hey Guys,

check this out, a friend has directed me to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HtAFZMDqI

Apparently, this untitled piece of music was V´s first attempt at a track for the end titles of the movie. The story goes that RS didn't like it at all and demanded "something very different yet similar sounding". The rest of course is history. I am not sure, but I think this track has never been released anywhere. Nevertheless I find it quite enjoyable.

Worsel

> Hey Guys,
>
> check this out, a friend has directed me to this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HtAFZMDqI
>
> Apparently, this untitled piece of music was V´s first attempt at a
> track for the end titles of the movie. The story goes that RS didn't
> like it at all and demanded "something very different yet similar
> sounding". The rest of course is history. I am not sure, but I think
> this track has never been released anywhere. Nevertheless I find it
> quite enjoyable.
>
> Worsel

I'd say that's a hoax. Vangelis' leads have an assurance that comes
with keyboard mastery as well as a particular logic to his melodies
even on an off day or less than inspired. This track has a certain
tentativeness like someone is trying to play their best but who's just
okay. It lacks any of the uncommon sounds Vangelis turns to over and
over. It has some inspired by sounds but those are ones anyone could
easiy find. Also something snuck out of a studio might have an over
duped sound like it passed through a couple media - like mag film,
cassette, etc. This just sounds like a home studio recording. Not that
Vangelis didn't sneak a couple hotel recorded tracks onto his later
albums as filler (a track of 2 on the regular edition "El Greco" for
instance), but he was at Nemo during Blade Runner.

I agree that this is extremely clean sounding and definitely not from a cassette.

I remember that on one of the many Blade Runner soundtracks there was music by Vangelis but only "inspired by Blade Runner", so not from the soundtrack. Could it be one of those tracks?

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, zaum <zaum@...> wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > check this out, a friend has directed me to this:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HtAFZMDqI
> >
> > Apparently, this untitled piece of music was V´s first attempt at a
> > track for the end titles of the movie. The story goes that RS didn't
> > like it at all and demanded "something very different yet similar
> > sounding". The rest of course is history. I am not sure, but I think
> > this track has never been released anywhere. Nevertheless I find it
> > quite enjoyable.
> >
> > Worsel
>
> I'd say that's a hoax. Vangelis' leads have an assurance that comes
> with keyboard mastery as well as a particular logic to his melodies
> even on an off day or less than inspired. This track has a certain
> tentativeness like someone is trying to play their best but who's just
> okay. It lacks any of the uncommon sounds Vangelis turns to over and
> over. It has some inspired by sounds but those are ones anyone could
> easiy find. Also something snuck out of a studio might have an over
> duped sound like it passed through a couple media - like mag film,
> cassette, etc. This just sounds like a home studio recording. Not that
> Vangelis didn't sneak a couple hotel recorded tracks onto his later
> albums as filler (a track of 2 on the regular edition "El Greco" for
> instance), but he was at Nemo during Blade Runner.
>

Sounds like the CS80 plugin.

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: zaum@...
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:25:40 -0400
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re:Blade Runner - Untitled

> Hey Guys,

>

> check this out, a friend has directed me to this:

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HtAFZMDqI

>

> Apparently, this untitled piece of music was V�s first attempt at a

> track for the end titles of the movie. The story goes that RS didn't

> like it at all and demanded "something very different yet similar

> sounding". The rest of course is history. I am not sure, but I think

> this track has never been released anywhere. Nevertheless I find it

> quite enjoyable.

>

> Worsel

I'd say that's a hoax. Vangelis' leads have an assurance that comes

with keyboard mastery as well as a particular logic to his melodies

even on an off day or less than inspired. This track has a certain

tentativeness like someone is trying to play their best but who's just

okay. It lacks any of the uncommon sounds Vangelis turns to over and

over. It has some inspired by sounds but those are ones anyone could

easiy find. Also something snuck out of a studio might have an over

duped sound like it passed through a couple media - like mag film,

cassette, etc. This just sounds like a home studio recording. Not that

Vangelis didn't sneak a couple hotel recorded tracks onto his later

albums as filler (a track of 2 on the regular edition "El Greco" for

instance), but he was at Nemo during Blade Runner.















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I don´t think it´s Vangelis. Even though he was into more off-the-wall experimentalism at that time ("See you later"), he most likely wouldn´t have created something *that* uninspired. It sounds too amateurish to be convincing IMO.

Stephen

----- Original Message -----
From: zaum
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:25 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re:Blade Runner - Untitled



> Hey Guys,
>
> check this out, a friend has directed me to this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HtAFZMDqI
>
> Apparently, this untitled piece of music was V´s first attempt at a
> track for the end titles of the movie. The story goes that RS didn't
> like it at all and demanded "something very different yet similar
> sounding". The rest of course is history. I am not sure, but I think
> this track has never been released anywhere. Nevertheless I find it
> quite enjoyable.
>
> Worsel

I'd say that's a hoax. Vangelis' leads have an assurance that comes
with keyboard mastery as well as a particular logic to his melodies
even on an off day or less than inspired. This track has a certain
tentativeness like someone is trying to play their best but who's just
okay. It lacks any of the uncommon sounds Vangelis turns to over and
over. It has some inspired by sounds but those are ones anyone could
easiy find. Also something snuck out of a studio might have an over
duped sound like it passed through a couple media - like mag film,
cassette, etc. This just sounds like a home studio recording. Not that
Vangelis didn't sneak a couple hotel recorded tracks onto his later
albums as filler (a track of 2 on the regular edition "El Greco" for
instance), but he was at Nemo during Blade Runner.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

yes, I think it sounds like the plug-in. Vangelis playing the real
thing would have all the and articulation articulation and nuance of
the real thing.

My point about the cassette is it doesn't have to sound like a
cassette, but a real recording from Nemo studios in the early 80s
might also be a demo or very duped but still wouldn't sound anything
like a home recording from the last decade (or last week). This
recording sounds like a home studio job. None of the hallmarks of the
real Blade Runner soundtrack like the early GS-1/2 FM, the grunge of
the old Emulator 1, the Vocoder Plus strings, and of course the nuance
of a real CS-80.

As for "music inspired by Blade Runner. There are 2 main sources.
There was the cover album released in lieu of the actual soundtrack,
that's not really "inspired by" but a whole conjecture as to what
happened. Then Vangelis' actual album a decade later had some tracks
not in the film and sounding like they had some ROMplers invented
later on them as well as his anniversary disc which is up front as
being new music inspired by the film.

Any case the youtube video does not sound engineering-wise of
composition wise like Vangelis or for that matter the early 1980s.

nick

oh here is a plug-in Arturia track I did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44aHG9gqXw4

I guess I would agree that this couldn't be Vangelis and if it's only for the simple fact that if this were a Blade Runner Vangelis track it would have been discovered a long time ago, just look at the number of bootlegs that are around.

The track itself however at least to my ears does have a certain Blade Runner feel to it.

As for the CS-sounds in there, to me it sounds like the real CS-80 and not the 80V.

Worsel

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, zaum <zaum@...> wrote:
>
> yes, I think it sounds like the plug-in. Vangelis playing the real
> thing would have all the and articulation articulation and nuance of
> the real thing.
>
> My point about the cassette is it doesn't have to sound like a
> cassette, but a real recording from Nemo studios in the early 80s
> might also be a demo or very duped but still wouldn't sound anything
> like a home recording from the last decade (or last week). This
> recording sounds like a home studio job. None of the hallmarks of the
> real Blade Runner soundtrack like the early GS-1/2 FM, the grunge of
> the old Emulator 1, the Vocoder Plus strings, and of course the nuance
> of a real CS-80.
>
> As for "music inspired by Blade Runner. There are 2 main sources.
> There was the cover album released in lieu of the actual soundtrack,
> that's not really "inspired by" but a whole conjecture as to what
> happened. Then Vangelis' actual album a decade later had some tracks
> not in the film and sounding like they had some ROMplers invented
> later on them as well as his anniversary disc which is up front as
> being new music inspired by the film.
>
> Any case the youtube video does not sound engineering-wise of
> composition wise like Vangelis or for that matter the early 1980s.
>
> nick
>
> oh here is a plug-in Arturia track I did
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44aHG9gqXw4
>

I didn't listen long enough to the clip, but did you happen to hear any Poly AT? That is usually the first giveaway.

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: slipperysoles@...
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:50:22 +0000
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Blade Runner - Untitled




























I guess I would agree that this couldn't be Vangelis and if it's only for the simple fact that if this were a Blade Runner Vangelis track it would have been discovered a long time ago, just look at the number of bootlegs that are around.



The track itself however at least to my ears does have a certain Blade Runner feel to it.



As for the CS-sounds in there, to me it sounds like the real CS-80 and not the 80V.



Worsel


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Any 'would be' CS-80 that can be heard through the 'industrial' cacophony that is the backing, is only a boring monophonic line that seems to be repeated in different keys. Nothing to write home about!

Cheerz,
TOM

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't listen long enough to the clip, but did you happen to hear any Poly AT? That is usually the first giveaway.
>
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> From: slipperysoles@...
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:50:22 +0000
> Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Blade Runner - Untitled
>
>I guess I would agree that this couldn't be Vangelis and if it's only for the simple fact that if this were a Blade Runner Vangelis track it would have been discovered a long time ago, just look at the number of bootlegs that are around.
>
>
>
> The track itself however at least to my ears does have a certain Blade Runner feel to it.
>
>
>
> As for the CS-sounds in there, to me it sounds like the real CS-80 and not the 80V.
>
>
>
> Worsel

just listened...only bits and peices it was to horrible, this is a major joke!
this is not Vangelis.

Alessandro

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Quazimodo" <noddyspuncture@...> wrote:
>
> Any 'would be' CS-80 that can be heard through the 'industrial' cacophony that is the backing, is only a boring monophonic line that seems to be repeated in different keys. Nothing to write home about!
>
> Cheerz,
> TOM
>
>
>
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I didn't listen long enough to the clip, but did you happen to hear any Poly AT? That is usually the first giveaway.
> >
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > From: slipperysoles@
> > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:50:22 +0000
> > Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Blade Runner - Untitled
> >
> >I guess I would agree that this couldn't be Vangelis and if it's only for the simple fact that if this were a Blade Runner Vangelis track it would have been discovered a long time ago, just look at the number of bootlegs that are around.
> >
> >
> >
> > The track itself however at least to my ears does have a certain Blade Runner feel to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the CS-sounds in there, to me it sounds like the real CS-80 and not the 80V.
> >
> >
> >
> > Worsel
>