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Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem

Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem

2009-02-17 by Anders Eriksson

Hello everyone!

I have a problem with the Yamaha CS70M, it's the pitch bend on the 
last 6 highest notes G - C6, they wount go up a hole octave instead 
stops at G6 on all last 6 keys.

All ref.voltages from the service manual are correct (from keyboard, 
to the 12 voice cards), and when pitch bending a hole octave the key 
voltage doubles, for the highest key you have 4volt CV in on leg2 
(key voltage input) IG00153 and when pitch bend full upp: 8volt, but 
when the CV reaches 5.7volt the pitchbend stops. 

This is for all voice cards there is 12 of them, and i cant belive 
that all VCO IC's are faulty. Can it be a design fault from Yamaha?

How is it with the CS-80? when pitchbend fully up, have anyone 
measured the CV voltage on the IG00153 IC?

Would be greatful for all help!

/Anders

Re: [yamahacs80] Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem

2009-02-18 by Laurie Curry

the pitch bend is a ribbon on the CS80....totaly different then the wheel on the 70m....
I used to have one and still have my magneto's....
On the Cs80...there is no center detent.....where ever you touch the ribbon becoms zero......
you can pitch down from 0 to subhz(less than one hz), but only bend up from 0 an octave....and that is using the same lenght of ribbon...
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-----Original message-----
From: "Anders Eriksson" aliaswavefront@...
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:05:20 -0700
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem

Hello everyone!

I have a problem with the Yamaha CS70M, it's the pitch bend on the 
last 6 highest notes G - C6, they wount go up a hole octave instead 
stops at G6 on all last 6 keys.

All ref.voltages from the service manual are correct (from keyboard, 
to the 12 voice cards), and when pitch bending a hole octave the key 
voltage doubles, for the highest key you have 4volt CV in on leg2 
(key voltage input) IG00153 and when pitch bend full upp: 8volt, but 
when the CV reaches 5.7volt the pitchbend stops. 

This is for all voice cards there is 12 of them, and i cant belive 
that all VCO IC's are faulty. Can it be a design fault from Yamaha?

How is it with the CS-80? when pitchbend fully up, have anyone 
measured the CV voltage on the IG00153 IC?

Would be greatful for all help!

/Anders

Re: Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem

2009-02-18 by Anders Eriksson

Yes it's completely different on the CS-80 with a 
ribbon, but you say that pitchbending up from zero on the CS-80, 
thats one octave up, i wonder if the cv voltage doubles on the CS-80 
to?
 
It must be something that limits the pitchbend on my CS70M (last 6 
keys) when CV voltage passes 5.7 volts the pitch freeze, it seems 
that the highest key voltage for my VCO's i 5.7 volts. 
Keyboard voltage on the CS70M is: 
Lowest C: 125mv
Highest C: 4V



>
> the pitch bend is a ribbon on the CS80....totaly different then the 
wheel on the 70m....
> I used to have one and still have my magneto's....
> On the Cs80...there is no center detent.....where ever you touch 
the ribbon becoms zero......
> you can pitch down from 0 to subhz(less than one hz), but only bend 
up from 0 an octave....and that is using the same lenght of ribbon...
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Anders Eriksson" aliaswavefront@...
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:05:20 -0700
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [yamahacs80] Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem
> 
> Hello everyone!
> 
> I have a problem with the Yamaha CS70M, it's the pitch bend on the 
> last 6 highest notes G - C6, they wount go up a hole octave instead 
> stops at G6 on all last 6 keys.
> 
> All ref.voltages from the service manual are correct (from 
keyboard, 
> to the 12 voice cards), and when pitch bending a hole octave the 
key 
> voltage doubles, for the highest key you have 4volt CV in on leg2 
> (key voltage input) IG00153 and when pitch bend full upp: 8volt, 
but 
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> when the CV reaches 5.7volt the pitchbend stops. 
> 
> This is for all voice cards there is 12 of them, and i cant belive 
> that all VCO IC's are faulty. Can it be a design fault from Yamaha?
> 
> How is it with the CS-80? when pitchbend fully up, have anyone 
> measured the CV voltage on the IG00153 IC?
> 
> Would be greatful for all help!
> 
> /Anders
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem

2009-02-18 by Christof Lorenz

How does it behave if you switch the bend range to fifth/third ?
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anders Eriksson 
  To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:10 AM
  Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem


  Yes it's completely different on the CS-80 with a 
  ribbon, but you say that pitchbending up from zero on the CS-80, 
  thats one octave up, i wonder if the cv voltage doubles on the CS-80 
  to?

  It must be something that limits the pitchbend on my CS70M (last 6 
  keys) when CV voltage passes 5.7 volts the pitch freeze, it seems 
  that the highest key voltage for my VCO's i 5.7 volts. 
  Keyboard voltage on the CS70M is: 
  Lowest C: 125mv
  Highest C: 4V

  >
  > the pitch bend is a ribbon on the CS80....totaly different then the 
  wheel on the 70m....
  > I used to have one and still have my magneto's....
  > On the Cs80...there is no center detent.....where ever you touch 
  the ribbon becoms zero......
  > you can pitch down from 0 to subhz(less than one hz), but only bend 
  up from 0 an octave....and that is using the same lenght of ribbon...
  > -----Original message-----
  > From: "Anders Eriksson" aliaswavefront@...
  > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:05:20 -0700
  > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [yamahacs80] Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem
  > 
  > Hello everyone!
  > 
  > I have a problem with the Yamaha CS70M, it's the pitch bend on the 
  > last 6 highest notes G - C6, they wount go up a hole octave instead 
  > stops at G6 on all last 6 keys.
  > 
  > All ref.voltages from the service manual are correct (from 
  keyboard, 
  > to the 12 voice cards), and when pitch bending a hole octave the 
  key 
  > voltage doubles, for the highest key you have 4volt CV in on leg2 
  > (key voltage input) IG00153 and when pitch bend full upp: 8volt, 
  but 
  > when the CV reaches 5.7volt the pitchbend stops. 
  > 
  > This is for all voice cards there is 12 of them, and i cant belive 
  > that all VCO IC's are faulty. Can it be a design fault from Yamaha?
  > 
  > How is it with the CS-80? when pitchbend fully up, have anyone 
  > measured the CV voltage on the IG00153 IC?
  > 
  > Would be greatful for all help!
  > 
  > /Anders
  >



  

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Re: Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem

2009-02-18 by Anders Eriksson

If switch to fifth and full pitchbend up the last two notes (B5, C6) 
have the same pitch, 
switch to third the notes are ok as they should be.

Pitchbend swith Octave/Fifth/Third have different resistors connected 
so it lower the pitchbend voltages to CV input on the voicecards.

I have had this sytnh for 2years now and i have replaced almost every 
logical ic's and electrolytic capacitors in it so it should be in 
great shape i thought, but still this problem won't disappear.
 
>
> How does it behave if you switch the bend range to fifth/third ?
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Anders Eriksson 
>   To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:10 AM
>   Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem
> 
> 
>   Yes it's completely different on the CS-80 with a 
>   ribbon, but you say that pitchbending up from zero on the CS-80, 
>   thats one octave up, i wonder if the cv voltage doubles on the CS-
80 
>   to?
> 
>   It must be something that limits the pitchbend on my CS70M (last 
6 
>   keys) when CV voltage passes 5.7 volts the pitch freeze, it seems 
>   that the highest key voltage for my VCO's i 5.7 volts. 
>   Keyboard voltage on the CS70M is: 
>   Lowest C: 125mv
>   Highest C: 4V
> 
>   >
>   > the pitch bend is a ribbon on the CS80....totaly different then 
the 
>   wheel on the 70m....
>   > I used to have one and still have my magneto's....
>   > On the Cs80...there is no center detent.....where ever you 
touch 
>   the ribbon becoms zero......
>   > you can pitch down from 0 to subhz(less than one hz), but only 
bend 
>   up from 0 an octave....and that is using the same lenght of 
ribbon...
>   > -----Original message-----
>   > From: "Anders Eriksson" aliaswavefront@
>   > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:05:20 -0700
>   > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>   > Subject: [yamahacs80] Yamaha CS70M Pitch bend problem
>   > 
>   > Hello everyone!
>   > 
>   > I have a problem with the Yamaha CS70M, it's the pitch bend on 
the 
>   > last 6 highest notes G - C6, they wount go up a hole octave 
instead 
>   > stops at G6 on all last 6 keys.
>   > 
>   > All ref.voltages from the service manual are correct (from 
>   keyboard, 
>   > to the 12 voice cards), and when pitch bending a hole octave 
the 
>   key 
>   > voltage doubles, for the highest key you have 4volt CV in on 
leg2 
>   > (key voltage input) IG00153 and when pitch bend full upp: 
8volt, 
>   but 
>   > when the CV reaches 5.7volt the pitchbend stops. 
>   > 
>   > This is for all voice cards there is 12 of them, and i cant 
belive 
>   > that all VCO IC's are faulty. Can it be a design fault from 
Yamaha?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>   > 
>   > How is it with the CS-80? when pitchbend fully up, have anyone 
>   > measured the CV voltage on the IG00153 IC?
>   > 
>   > Would be greatful for all help!
>   > 
>   > /Anders
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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