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2009-01-18 by Quazimodo
Hi Guys, I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html ...and listening to their supposed audio demo. Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. but the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue wannabe..! TOM
2009-01-18 by Andrew
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From: Quazimodo > I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: > http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html > ...and listening to their supposed audio demo. > Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my > 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. but > the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. > Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue > wannabe..! This sounds like a good opportunity for a proper AB test. I'm listening to the demo sounds now - and I'm inclined to agree with your comment on the cheap wannabe. This sounds thinner than my CS80V, though I use more signal processing as softsynths generally need beefing up a bit. As I have the Arturia CS80V, would you, or someone else in the group, like to compare some patches? Maybe it'd be easiest if I posted a few patches to be copied on a CS80, rather than the other way round, as I can take a screen print of the patch settings and send that as well, so the exact settings can be replicated? That'd probably be easier than someone listing their patch settings or photographing their 80. Or of course if someone has both the CS80 and the Arturia, that would be better. :D
2009-01-18 by Laurie Curry
Really??? I know the monoish sequeced ones or the ones that utalize the addon SYNC do not well represent CS80, but if you could loose the delay on some of their Mp3s , some of them are very CS80... I have links at the bottom that show my use with PolyAT http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CSolo.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/jerusalem_cs.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/EpicAnthem-RikkeLind-cs80v.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CS80V_demo.mp3 my links...on CS80V http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/126bb1031243/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/b64a71031225/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/e82a31031186/audio.html These are my CS80 http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7bdae2131276/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/33e942131171/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/482b72131176/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/03efe2131197/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/c6b882131190/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/8ca1d2131179/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7a9472131184/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/294eb2131166/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/d533e1038642/audio.html
-----Original message----- From: "Quazimodo" noddyspuncture@... Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:48:13 -0700 To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com Subject: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!? Hi Guys, I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html ..and listening to their supposed audio demo. Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. but the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue wannabe..! TOM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-01-18 by Tommy Priakos
Max Fazio has contributed to the CS-80V's sound banks, under the pseudonym omissis. He's done an admirable job of copying the original presets, IMO. For those that have the V, you can get the patches by visiting the download page for the CS-80V. I supplied audio samples of each preset for Max to use as reference. I think Slammah did as well, eh? Tommy --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Laurie Curry <laurie@...> wrote:
From: Laurie Curry <laurie@...>
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!?
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 8:45 PM
Really???
I know the monoish sequeced ones or the ones that utalize the addon
SYNC do not well represent CS80, but if you could loose the delay on
some of their Mp3s , some of them are very CS80...
I have links at the bottom that show my use with PolyAT
http://test. arturia.com/ audio/cs80v/ demo_tracks/ CSolo.mp3
http://test. arturia.com/ audio/cs80v/ demo_tracks/ jerusalem_ cs.mp3
http://test. arturia.com/ audio/cs80v/ demo_tracks/ EpicAnthem- RikkeLind- cs80v.mp3
http://test. arturia.com/ audio/cs80v/ demo_tracks/ CS80V_demo. mp3
my links...on CS80V
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/126bb103 1243/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/b64a7103 1225/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/e82a3103 1186/audio. html
These are my CS80
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/7bdae213 1276/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/33e94213 1171/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/482b7213 1176/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/03efe213 1197/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/c6b88213 1190/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/8ca1d213 1179/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/7a947213 1184/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/294eb213 1166/audio. html
http://audio. xanga.com/ slammah/d533e103 8642/audio. html
-----Original message-----
From: "Quazimodo" noddyspuncture@ hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:48:13 -0700
To: yamahacs80@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!?
Hi Guys,
I am just on the Arturia CS80 site:
http://www.arturia. com/evolution/ en/products/ cs-80v/intro. html
..and listening to their supposed audio demo.
Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my
80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc..
but
the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near..
Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue
wannabe..!
TOM
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-01-18 by slipperysoles
Hey Andrew, I have an 80V and an 80 and for the fun of it I try to copy patches from the 80V to the 80 all the time. Having said that it is not always easy. I agree that the 80V mostly sounds like a regular VA, however it does have some cool sounds that do not make use of the additional features of the V and still I can't get a similiar sound out of the 80. If you want, send me some shots of your favourite patches and sound clips and I will give it a try. Cheers Worsel --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <taoist.hermit1@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Quazimodo > > > I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: > > > http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html > > > ...and listening to their supposed audio demo. > > > Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my > > 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. but > > the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. > > > Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue > > wannabe..! > > > This sounds like a good opportunity for a proper AB test. > > I'm listening to the demo sounds now - and I'm inclined to agree with your > comment on the cheap wannabe. This sounds thinner than my CS80V, though I > use more signal processing as softsynths generally need beefing up a bit. > > As I have the Arturia CS80V, would you, or someone else in the group, like > to compare some patches? > > Maybe it'd be easiest if I posted a few patches to be copied on a CS80, > rather than the other way round, as I can take a screen print of the patch > settings and send that as well, so the exact settings can be replicated? > That'd probably be easier than someone listing their patch settings or > photographing their 80. > > Or of course if someone has both the CS80 and the Arturia, that would be > better. :D >
2009-01-18 by Quazimodo
Yes Laurie, there is no denying that they sound 'similar' - just not the "same"... Cheers, TOM --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Curry" <laurie@...> wrote:
> > > Really??? > > I know the monoish sequeced ones or the ones that utalize the addon > SYNC do not well represent CS80, but if you could loose the delay on > some of their Mp3s , some of them are very CS80... >
2009-01-18 by Max Fazio
Laurie,is the chamber strings simulation a CS80V? Or the poly aftertouch on brass patch? M
----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie Curry To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!? Really??? I know the monoish sequeced ones or the ones that utalize the addon SYNC do not well represent CS80, but if you could loose the delay on some of their Mp3s , some of them are very CS80... I have links at the bottom that show my use with PolyAT http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CSolo.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/jerusalem_cs.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/EpicAnthem-RikkeLind-cs80v.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CS80V_demo.mp3 my links...on CS80V http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/126bb1031243/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/b64a71031225/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/e82a31031186/audio.html These are my CS80 http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7bdae2131276/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/33e942131171/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/482b72131176/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/03efe2131197/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/c6b882131190/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/8ca1d2131179/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7a9472131184/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/294eb2131166/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/d533e1038642/audio.html -----Original message----- From: "Quazimodo" noddyspuncture@... Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:48:13 -0700 To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com Subject: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!? Hi Guys, I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html ..and listening to their supposed audio demo. Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. but the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue wannabe..! TOM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-01-18 by Stephen Teller
Where did you get these presets???? These are great demos! I just got a hold of an Ensoniq SQ80 and the polyAT is working pretty well with the CS80V in my limited time I've spent with it. I think with the CS80V it's about as close as there is for a VI at this point. I also look at it as a different synth and use many of the non CS type presets also. On a side note: I tried the VAX 77 at the NAMM show. They were really nice guys and eager to please the CS80 user,but I was under impressed. The feel was spongy and the sound source being used wasn't set up for Poly AT patches. Maybe if they had it setup with the CS80V with some cool patches I might have been more impressed. Stephen Teller --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Curry" <laurie@...> wrote:
> > > Really??? > > I know the monoish sequeced ones or the ones that utalize the addon > SYNC do not well represent CS80, but if you could loose the delay on > some of their Mp3s , some of them are very CS80... > > I have links at the bottom that show my use with PolyAT > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CSolo.mp3 > > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/jerusalem_cs.mp3 > > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/EpicAnthem-RikkeLind-cs80v.mp3 > > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CS80V_demo.mp3 > > > my links...on CS80V > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/126bb1031243/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/b64a71031225/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/e82a31031186/audio.html > > > These are my CS80 > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7bdae2131276/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/33e942131171/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/482b72131176/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/03efe2131197/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/c6b882131190/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/8ca1d2131179/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7a9472131184/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/294eb2131166/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/d533e1038642/audio.html > > > > -----Original message----- > From: "Quazimodo" noddyspuncture@... > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:48:13 -0700 > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!? > > Hi Guys, > > I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: > > http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html > > ..and listening to their supposed audio demo. > > Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my > 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. > but > the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. > > Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue > wannabe..! > > TOM > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-01-18 by Laurie Curry
this is over a year old.....I didnt keep notes.... It is an adaptation of strings..... I took a patch that existed, tweaked it a bit in the filter by adding resonance to the HPF, added some speed depth and lfo amount to the polyAT control...used a hint of speed and amount on the Subosc to start...there was also a bit of Velocity amount added to VCA... The brass was one of the Presets I downloaded from users banks off of the Arturia site... I forget which preset bank it was in... sorry.....
-----Original message----- From: "Max Fazio" faxiomas@... Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 06:55:39 -0700 To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!? Laurie,is the chamber strings simulation a CS80V? Or the poly aftertouch on brass patch? M ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie Curry To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:45AM Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!? Really??? I know the monoish sequeced ones or the ones that utalize the addon SYNC do not well represent CS80, but if you could loose the delay on some of their Mp3s , some of them are very CS80... I have links at the bottom that show my use with PolyAT http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CSolo.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/jerusalem_cs.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/EpicAnthem-RikkeLind-cs80v.mp3 http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CS80V_demo.mp3 my links...on CS80V http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/126bb1031243/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/b64a71031225/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/e82a31031186/audio.html These are my CS80 http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7bdae2131276/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/33e942131171/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/482b72131176/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/03efe2131197/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/c6b882131190/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/8ca1d2131179/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7a9472131184/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/294eb2131166/audio.html http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/d533e1038642/audio.html -----Original message----- From: "Quazimodo" noddyspuncture@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:48:13 -0700 To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com Subject: [yamahacs80] Arturia..!? Hi Guys, I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html ..and listening to their supposed audio demo. Well I must say that these samples sound nothing likeeither of my 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. but the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue wannabe..! TOM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-01-18 by Andrew
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From: slipperysoles I have an 80V .... [...] > If you want, send me some shots of > your favourite patches and sound clips and I will give it a try. Thanks. I'll email you privately with some patches for the Arturia. If you think the results would be of any interest to the group we can bring the discussion back into the public area. I think you've hit the nail on the head regarding the Arturia and the synth it purports to emulate. What you've said seems to be true of their synths in general - they also create sounds you can't get with the original hardware synths. I tend to think of them as synths in the tradition of the ones they're modelled on, rather than mere copies. I make use of the MiniMoog V even though I have a Moog Voyager, and I'm pretty sure I'd do the same with the 2600V if I had a `real' 2600. In fact I prefer the Arturia over the more accurate Timewarp emulation so much that I wonder if I'd be disappointed in a 2600. I'm not really that interested in emulating specific synths too accurately, but I'm still curious about how close you can get. I'm interested to see if I could refine an Arturia sound closely enough to put someone in doubt about which sound is the Arturia and which the original CS80. I do think that would be quite a challenge, though, as I expect the Arturia to be weaker than the original to a noticeable degree when it comes to straight emulation.
2009-01-18 by Laurie Curry
This brass is one of the brass presets from the User banks... The strings is a tweaked version of the stock strings.... I am using a SQ80 for polyAT controll .... and yes... cant wait for the Vax..... For a reall unique sound.... you should check the Haken Continuum controller....which now comes with a string preset built in some how....designed by Ed Eagan....(the first keyboardist in FIST). http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/examples/ex246.html http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/overview/Intro.html
-----Original message----- From: "Stephen Teller" s.teller@verizon.net Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:56:44 -0700 To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Arturia..!? VAX77 Where did you get these presets???? These are great demos! I just got a hold of an Ensoniq SQ80 and the polyAT is working pretty well with the CS80V in my limited time I've spent with it. I think with the CS80V it's about as close as there is for a VI at this point. I also look at it as a different synth and use many of the non CS type presets also. On a side note: I tried the VAX 77 at the NAMM show. They were really nice guys and eager to please the CS80 user,but I was under impressed. The feel was spongy and the sound source being used wasn't set up for Poly AT patches. Maybe if they had it setup with the CS80V with some cool patches I might have been more impressed. Stephen Teller --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Curry" wrote: > > > Really??? > > I know the monoish sequeced ones or the ones that utalize the addon > SYNC do not well representCS80, but if you could loose the delay on > some of their Mp3s , some of them are very CS80... > > I have links at the bottom that show my use with PolyAT > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CSolo.mp3 > > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/jerusalem_cs.mp3 > > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/EpicAnthem-RikkeLind-cs80v.mp3 > > > http://test.arturia.com/audio/cs80v/demo_tracks/CS80V_demo.mp3 > > > my links...on CS80V > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/126bb1031243/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/b64a71031225/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/e82a31031186/audio.html > > > These are my CS80 > > >http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7bdae2131276/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/33e942131171/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/482b72131176/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/03efe2131197/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/c6b882131190/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/8ca1d2131179/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/7a9472131184/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/294eb2131166/audio.html > > > http://audio.xanga.com/slammah/d533e1038642/audio.html > > > > -----Original message----- > From: "Quazimodo" noddyspuncture@... > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:48:13 -0700 > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [yamahacs80]Arturia..!? > > Hi Guys, > > I am just on the Arturia CS80 site: > > http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html > > ..and listening to their supposed audio demo. > > Well I must say that these samples sound nothing like either of my > 80's... OK, so there are attempts at some complex modulations etc.. > but > the overall *character* of sound is, to my ears anyway, nowhere near.. > > Sounds to me like they could be coming fom any cheap-digital analogue > wannabe..! > > TOM > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-01-19 by Tim Siefkes
That is an amazing controller! Very cool demos. Looks like a lot of fun to play! Now where did I leave that extra $5k around here somewhere...? -Tim S. Laurie Curry wrote:
> > > > > For a reall unique sound.... you should check the Haken Continuum > controller....which now comes with a string preset built in some > how....designed by Ed Eagan....(the first keyboardist in FIST). > > http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/examples/ex246.html > <http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/examples/ex246.html> > > http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/overview/Intro.htm > <http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/overview/Intro.html> >
2009-01-19 by zaum
> > For a reall unique sound.... you should check the Haken Continuum > > controller....which now comes with a string preset built in some > > how....designed by Ed Eagan....(the first keyboardist in FIST). > > > > http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/examples/ex246.html > > <http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/examples/ex246.html> > > > > http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/overview/Intro.htm > > <http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/html/overview/Intro.html> Unquestionably in the unique department. It can't replace a poly AT standard keyboard, it's a whole other thing with a good touch for keyboardists is that the intervals default to the same distances between fingers. It has some optional clever quantitizing that lets you still play proper intervals if you aren't that accurate but instantly goes unquantitized as soon as you play a vibrato or a pitch sweep. When you rest playing a pitch it can be adjusted to correct it smoothly and quickly. A landmark unit for alternate tuning because of the quantitize functions. Typically you are controlling the amplitude of each voice with pressure, so it superficially seems to describe something like Poly AT until you realize you typically are forming the amplitude "envelope" by finger pressure. Now that's not your only option you could have a gate with velocity pulled from the pressure but it's a different sort of feel with big plusses and minuses over standard keys. The processor inside is robust enough to synthesize and all but early units have audio outs. It seems to me that Mr. Haken doesn't want to play up features that are still in development so the site and literature doesn't really detail much. The doc and OS firmware on the website is from 2007 for what it's worth, so he's added a fair amount to the OS since. I presume there will eventually be multiple editable proprietary softsynths in the OS. Right now they are more or less demos and user uneditable as far as I know. nick