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2008-12-26 by globensky_f
2008-12-26 by David
2008-12-26 by blchrr@homecall.co.uk
2008-12-26 by Quazimodo
--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, blchrr@... wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Happy xmas..
>
> My CS80 isnt responding to initial or aftertouch, i have kenton midi
> installed, im wondering if the midi kit could cause this to happen
somehow?
>
> If not then i guess my cs80 has some problems. Is it unusual for
initial/
> aftertouch to go on all voices?
>
> The sub osc works as an LFO...
>
> :(
>
> Rob.
>
2008-12-26 by David
2008-12-26 by David
2008-12-26 by David Rogoff
> Dear CS GroupGreat question. We had a thread a few years ago:
> Can anyone recommend a list of CD's I should buy these holidays
> featuring CS-80
> I have
>
> 1: ENO -Before and After Science
> 2: Blade runner
> 3: Benge 20 system
>
2008-12-26 by ernest.meyer
2008-12-26 by Max Fazio
----- Original Message -----
From: David Rogoff
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Best CD titles to get featuring CS80
David wrote:
> Dear CS Group
> Can anyone recommend a list of CD's I should buy these holidays
> featuring CS-80
> I have
>
> 1: ENO -Before and After Science
> 2: Blade runner
> 3: Benge 20 system
>
Great question. We had a thread a few years ago:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/133
Good list here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/138
We need to put this in Files on the Yahoo site!
UK: UK - tons of CS80. The song Nevermore is practically a CS80 demo.
Eddie Jobson (keyboardist in UK) - Zinc/The Green Album. Tons of CS80
Vangelis: China, Spirals, Soil Festivities
Jon & Vangelis: Friends of Mr. Cairo
Renaissance : Azure d'Or , John Tout 1979
Patrick Moraz: Patrick Moraz III 1978
Cozy Powell: Over the Top (especially track Over the Top)
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2008-12-26 by Wavecomputer360
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Best CD titles to get featuring CS80
Dear CS Group
Can anyone recommend a list of CD's I should buy these holidays
featuring CS-80
I have
1: ENO -Before and After Science
2: Blade runner
3: Benge 20 systems
I know of no other titles that particular feature the CS-80
thanks in advance
David
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2008-12-27 by David
> Thanks very much guys I think DFA are also using a CS-80, Also Cut[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Copy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:46 PM
> Subject: [yamahacs80] Best CD titles to get featuring CS80
>
> Dear CS Group
> Can anyone recommend a list of CD's I should buy these holidays
> featuring CS-80
> I have
>
> 1: ENO -Before and After Science
> 2: Blade runner
> 3: Benge 20 systems
>
> I know of no other titles that particular feature the CS-80
>
> thanks in advance
> David
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
2008-12-27 by zaum
2008-12-27 by David
On 28/12/2008, at 1:54 AM, zaum wrote:
> Tomita's album "Daphnis et Chloe" also known as "Bolero" or "The
> Ravel Album" in various countries has quite a few CS80 leads. That
> was basically the first album of his to use a CS80, the only one to
> use it a lot and the last Tomita album to be all analog. There was a
> small label CD reissue recently but the sound is said to be far
> inferior to the not very expensive Japanese cardboard sleeve
> remasters released multiple times since 2004.
>
> Irene Papas' album "Odes" features Vangelis playing all the music. It
> has some of his most articulate playing and tends to have the parts
> more exposed than his solo albums.
>
> Vangelis' often argued about album "Beauborg" is apparently 100% CS80
> though it's lack of conventional melody and suspiciously contract
> fulfilling recording of an improv isn't well received by many.
>
> As already mentioned, "Spiral". That's his first album to play CS80
> and is his most sequencer-oriented.
>
> Vangelis' "Opera Sauvage" has a lot of CS80. "Chariots of Fire" of
> course. It's funny the official music video has him pretending to be
> playing synths not heard on the track. I've always wondered if it was
> to just be more photogenic or not reveal his trade secrets. His
> "1492" soundtrack still has a fair amount and more recent "Alexander"
> has a little bit.
>
> -nick
>
>
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2008-12-28 by David Rogoff
> Wow, how could Stephen forget the "Cluster+Eno" first album? It's a CS-80 feast!
> M
>
> By the way: HI ERNEST, WELCOME TO THE GROUP!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Rogoff
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Best CD titles to get featuring CS80
>
>
> David wrote:
> > Dear CS Group
> > Can anyone recommend a list of CD's I should buy these holidays
> > featuring CS-80
> > I have
> >
> > 1: ENO -Before and After Science
> > 2: Blade runner
> > 3: Benge 20 system
> >
> Great question. We had a thread a few years ago:
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/133
> Good list here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/138
> We need to put this in Files on the Yahoo site!
>
> UK: UK - tons of CS80. The song Nevermore is practically a CS80 demo.
> Eddie Jobson (keyboardist in UK) - Zinc/The Green Album. Tons of CS80
> Vangelis: China, Spirals, Soil Festivities
> Jon & Vangelis: Friends of Mr. Cairo
> Renaissance : Azure d'Or , John Tout 1979
> Patrick Moraz: Patrick Moraz III 1978
> Cozy Powell: Over the Top (especially track Over the Top)
>
>
>
>
>
2008-12-28 by Will Blair
----- Original Message -----
From: zaum
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Best CD titles to get featuring CS80
Tomita's album "Daphnis et Chloe" also known as "Bolero" or "The
Ravel Album" in various countries has quite a few CS80 leads. That
was basically the first album of his to use a CS80, the only one to
use it a lot and the last Tomita album to be all analog. There was a
small label CD reissue recently but the sound is said to be far
inferior to the not very expensive Japanese cardboard sleeve
remasters released multiple times since 2004.
Irene Papas' album "Odes" features Vangelis playing all the music. It
has some of his most articulate playing and tends to have the parts
more exposed than his solo albums.
Vangelis' often argued about album "Beauborg" is apparently 100% CS80
though it's lack of conventional melody and suspiciously contract
fulfilling recording of an improv isn't well received by many.
As already mentioned, "Spiral". That's his first album to play CS80
and is his most sequencer-oriented.
Vangelis' "Opera Sauvage" has a lot of CS80. "Chariots of Fire" of
course. It's funny the official music video has him pretending to be
playing synths not heard on the track. I've always wondered if it was
to just be more photogenic or not reveal his trade secrets. His
"1492" soundtrack still has a fair amount and more recent "Alexander"
has a little bit.
-nick
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2008-12-28 by Tim Siefkes
2008-12-28 by David
On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few that I was
> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said about
> the
> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that got me
> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
>
> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
> mentioned
> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw them
> in a
> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they performed
> most
> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an ARP
> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string machine
> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his CS-80
> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and "Western
> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the CS-80
> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the violin
> solo in the title track.
>
> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and find
> the edition with the original European track sequence, which makes
> for a
> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the instrumental)
> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them at the
> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that way,
> IMHO.
>
> -Tim S.
> <Twin Cities, MN>
>
>
>
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2008-12-28 by David
On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
> On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string synth
> and a Roland CR-78
> David
>
>
> On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
>
>> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few that I
>> was
>> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said about
>> the
>> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that got me
>> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
>>
>> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
>> mentioned
>> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw them
>> in a
>> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they performed
>> most
>> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an ARP
>> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
>> machine
>> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his CS-80
>> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and "Western
>> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
>> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the
>> CS-80
>> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
>> violin
>> solo in the title track.
>>
>> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and find
>> the edition with the original European track sequence, which makes
>> for a
>> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the instrumental)
>> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
>> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them at
>> the
>> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
>> way, IMHO.
>>
>> -Tim S.
>> <Twin Cities, MN>
>>
>>
>>
>
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2008-12-28 by Wavecomputer360
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String presets
Which brings me to question is the SS30 strings nicer than CS-80
strings?
I use Strings 2 preset on my CS-50 all the time and it beats for
example my old ARP Omni 2 strings, Ro;and RS 202 strings hands down
David
On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
> On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string synth
> and a Roland CR-78
> David
>
>
> On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
>
>> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few that I
>> was
>> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said about
>> the
>> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that got me
>> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
>>
>> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
>> mentioned
>> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw them
>> in a
>> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they performed
>> most
>> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an ARP
>> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
>> machine
>> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his CS-80
>> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and "Western
>> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
>> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the
>> CS-80
>> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
>> violin
>> solo in the title track.
>>
>> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and find
>> the edition with the original European track sequence, which makes
>> for a
>> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the instrumental)
>> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
>> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them at
>> the
>> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
>> way, IMHO.
>>
>> -Tim S.
>> <Twin Cities, MN>
>>
>>
>>
>
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2008-12-28 by David
On 29/12/2008, at 8:34 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> They´ve got nothing in common. It´s like comparing a Mini Moog with
> a, say, Vox Continental. A totally different sound generation,
> completely different signal paths... all the SS30 and the CS80 have
> in common is a very high standard of engineering and build quality.
>
> I´ve got both of them here, SS30 and CS80, and they couldn´t be more
> different timbrally. I for one would never use a CS80 for string
> washes.
>
> Stephen
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
>
> Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
>
> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> info please check www.parsick.com
>
> For legal downloads please check:
>
> http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> +Parsick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:02 PM
> Subject: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String presets
>
> Which brings me to question is the SS30 strings nicer than CS-80
> strings?
> I use Strings 2 preset on my CS-50 all the time and it beats for
> example my old ARP Omni 2 strings, Ro;and RS 202 strings hands down
>
> David
>
> On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
>
> > On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string synth
> > and a Roland CR-78
> > David
> >
> >
> > On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
> >
> >> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few that I
> >> was
> >> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said about
> >> the
> >> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that
> got me
> >> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
> >>
> >> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
> >> mentioned
> >> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw them
> >> in a
> >> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they performed
> >> most
> >> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an ARP
> >> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
> >> machine
> >> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his CS-80
> >> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and "Western
> >> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
> >> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the
> >> CS-80
> >> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
> >> violin
> >> solo in the title track.
> >>
> >> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and
> find
> >> the edition with the original European track sequence, which makes
> >> for a
> >> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the
> instrumental)
> >> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
> >> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them at
> >> the
> >> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
> >> way, IMHO.
> >>
> >> -Tim S.
> >> <Twin Cities, MN>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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2008-12-29 by Wavecomputer360
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String presets
Hi Stephen
What do you use for string wash's--the SS30 I bet?
String No 2 preset on CS50/60/80 records really well----I like the
sound better than the strings on my old ARP Omni 2 and JP8
David
On 29/12/2008, at 8:34 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> They´ve got nothing in common. It´s like comparing a Mini Moog with
> a, say, Vox Continental. A totally different sound generation,
> completely different signal paths... all the SS30 and the CS80 have
> in common is a very high standard of engineering and build quality.
>
> I´ve got both of them here, SS30 and CS80, and they couldn´t be more
> different timbrally. I for one would never use a CS80 for string
> washes.
>
> Stephen
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
>
> Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
>
> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> info please check www.parsick.com
>
> For legal downloads please check:
>
> http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> +Parsick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:02 PM
> Subject: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String presets
>
> Which brings me to question is the SS30 strings nicer than CS-80
> strings?
> I use Strings 2 preset on my CS-50 all the time and it beats for
> example my old ARP Omni 2 strings, Ro;and RS 202 strings hands down
>
> David
>
> On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
>
> > On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string synth
> > and a Roland CR-78
> > David
> >
> >
> > On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
> >
> >> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few that I
> >> was
> >> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said about
> >> the
> >> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that
> got me
> >> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
> >>
> >> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
> >> mentioned
> >> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw them
> >> in a
> >> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they performed
> >> most
> >> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an ARP
> >> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
> >> machine
> >> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his CS-80
> >> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and "Western
> >> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
> >> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the
> >> CS-80
> >> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
> >> violin
> >> solo in the title track.
> >>
> >> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and
> find
> >> the edition with the original European track sequence, which makes
> >> for a
> >> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the
> instrumental)
> >> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
> >> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them at
> >> the
> >> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
> >> way, IMHO.
> >>
> >> -Tim S.
> >> <Twin Cities, MN>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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2008-12-29 by David
On 30/12/2008, at 7:48 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> I use a Roland VP-330 Vocoder Plus for these typical "string
> synthesiser" sounds, plus these wonderful chorus sounds. As nice as
> the SS30 is, it´s got too many shortcomings to really make it my
> first choice, e. g. too short attack and decay times, ensemble not
> continuously variable, generator detune not effective enough. It´s
> certainly one of the nicest string synthesisers around but not the
> be-all and end-all.
>
> After all, I get the best results from layering sounds, for instance
> VP-330 strings with CS80 bass to get that full-bodied, meaty bass
> drone with a nice contrast in the treble range. A little bit of
> Prophet VS, Prophet 5, or Korg Wavestation adds further dimensional
> depth.
>
> Stephen
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
>
> Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
>
> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> info please check www.parsick.com
>
> For legal downloads please check:
>
> http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> +Parsick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> presets
>
> Hi Stephen
> What do you use for string wash's--the SS30 I bet?
> String No 2 preset on CS50/60/80 records really well----I like the
> sound better than the strings on my old ARP Omni 2 and JP8
>
> David
>
> On 29/12/2008, at 8:34 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
>
> > They´ve got nothing in common. It´s like comparing a Mini Moog with
> > a, say, Vox Continental. A totally different sound generation,
> > completely different signal paths... all the SS30 and the CS80 have
> > in common is a very high standard of engineering and build quality.
> >
> > I´ve got both of them here, SS30 and CS80, and they couldn´t be more
> > different timbrally. I for one would never use a CS80 for string
> > washes.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> > piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
> >
> > Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> > of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
> >
> > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> > reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> > info please check www.parsick.com
> >
> > For legal downloads please check:
> >
> > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> > +Parsick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:02 PM
> > Subject: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> presets
> >
> > Which brings me to question is the SS30 strings nicer than CS-80
> > strings?
> > I use Strings 2 preset on my CS-50 all the time and it beats for
> > example my old ARP Omni 2 strings, Ro;and RS 202 strings hands down
> >
> > David
> >
> > On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
> >
> > > On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string
> synth
> > > and a Roland CR-78
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
> > >
> > >> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few
> that I
> > >> was
> > >> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said
> about
> > >> the
> > >> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that
> > got me
> > >> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
> > >>
> > >> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
> > >> mentioned
> > >> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw
> them
> > >> in a
> > >> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they
> performed
> > >> most
> > >> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an
> ARP
> > >> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
> > >> machine
> > >> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his
> CS-80
> > >> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and
> "Western
> > >> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
> > >> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the
> > >> CS-80
> > >> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
> > >> violin
> > >> solo in the title track.
> > >>
> > >> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and
> > find
> > >> the edition with the original European track sequence, which
> makes
> > >> for a
> > >> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the
> > instrumental)
> > >> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
> > >> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them
> at
> > >> the
> > >> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
> > >> way, IMHO.
> > >>
> > >> -Tim S.
> > >> <Twin Cities, MN>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
>
>
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2008-12-30 by Stephen Teller
2009-01-08 by David
On 30/12/2008, at 7:48 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> I use a Roland VP-330 Vocoder Plus for these typical "string
> synthesiser" sounds, plus these wonderful chorus sounds. As nice as
> the SS30 is, it´s got too many shortcomings to really make it my
> first choice, e. g. too short attack and decay times, ensemble not
> continuously variable, generator detune not effective enough. It´s
> certainly one of the nicest string synthesisers around but not the
> be-all and end-all.
>
> After all, I get the best results from layering sounds, for instance
> VP-330 strings with CS80 bass to get that full-bodied, meaty bass
> drone with a nice contrast in the treble range. A little bit of
> Prophet VS, Prophet 5, or Korg Wavestation adds further dimensional
> depth.
>
> Stephen
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
>
> Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
>
> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> info please check www.parsick.com
>
> For legal downloads please check:
>
> http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> +Parsick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> presets
>
> Hi Stephen
> What do you use for string wash's--the SS30 I bet?
> String No 2 preset on CS50/60/80 records really well----I like the
> sound better than the strings on my old ARP Omni 2 and JP8
>
> David
>
> On 29/12/2008, at 8:34 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
>
> > They´ve got nothing in common. It´s like comparing a Mini Moog with
> > a, say, Vox Continental. A totally different sound generation,
> > completely different signal paths... all the SS30 and the CS80 have
> > in common is a very high standard of engineering and build quality.
> >
> > I´ve got both of them here, SS30 and CS80, and they couldn´t be more
> > different timbrally. I for one would never use a CS80 for string
> > washes.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> > piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
> >
> > Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> > of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
> >
> > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> > reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> > info please check www.parsick.com
> >
> > For legal downloads please check:
> >
> > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> > +Parsick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:02 PM
> > Subject: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> presets
> >
> > Which brings me to question is the SS30 strings nicer than CS-80
> > strings?
> > I use Strings 2 preset on my CS-50 all the time and it beats for
> > example my old ARP Omni 2 strings, Ro;and RS 202 strings hands down
> >
> > David
> >
> > On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
> >
> > > On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string
> synth
> > > and a Roland CR-78
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
> > >
> > >> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few
> that I
> > >> was
> > >> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said
> about
> > >> the
> > >> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that
> > got me
> > >> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
> > >>
> > >> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
> > >> mentioned
> > >> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw
> them
> > >> in a
> > >> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they
> performed
> > >> most
> > >> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an
> ARP
> > >> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
> > >> machine
> > >> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his
> CS-80
> > >> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and
> "Western
> > >> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
> > >> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the
> > >> CS-80
> > >> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
> > >> violin
> > >> solo in the title track.
> > >>
> > >> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and
> > find
> > >> the edition with the original European track sequence, which
> makes
> > >> for a
> > >> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the
> > instrumental)
> > >> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
> > >> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them
> at
> > >> the
> > >> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
> > >> way, IMHO.
> > >>
> > >> -Tim S.
> > >> <Twin Cities, MN>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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2009-01-09 by Wavecomputer360
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: Wavecomputer360
Cc: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String presets
Stephen
Do you have any service tops to keep SS30 in good shape--any hard to
get I/Cs parts like in CS80
The SS30 has actually got 4 voice cards and two VCOs per card so I
think it is sort of a hybrid 4 voice poly with further divide down
circuitry?
This will link may be of interest to see the voice cards and to see
how well built the SS30
http://ss30m.blogspot.com/2004/10/pictures.html
cheers David
On 30/12/2008, at 7:48 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> I use a Roland VP-330 Vocoder Plus for these typical "string
> synthesiser" sounds, plus these wonderful chorus sounds. As nice as
> the SS30 is, it´s got too many shortcomings to really make it my
> first choice, e. g. too short attack and decay times, ensemble not
> continuously variable, generator detune not effective enough. It´s
> certainly one of the nicest string synthesisers around but not the
> be-all and end-all.
>
> After all, I get the best results from layering sounds, for instance
> VP-330 strings with CS80 bass to get that full-bodied, meaty bass
> drone with a nice contrast in the treble range. A little bit of
> Prophet VS, Prophet 5, or Korg Wavestation adds further dimensional
> depth.
>
> Stephen
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
>
> Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
>
> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> info please check www.parsick.com
>
> For legal downloads please check:
>
> http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> +Parsick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> presets
>
> Hi Stephen
> What do you use for string wash's--the SS30 I bet?
> String No 2 preset on CS50/60/80 records really well----I like the
> sound better than the strings on my old ARP Omni 2 and JP8
>
> David
>
> On 29/12/2008, at 8:34 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
>
> > They´ve got nothing in common. It´s like comparing a Mini Moog with
> > a, say, Vox Continental. A totally different sound generation,
> > completely different signal paths... all the SS30 and the CS80 have
> > in common is a very high standard of engineering and build quality.
> >
> > I´ve got both of them here, SS30 and CS80, and they couldn´t be more
> > different timbrally. I for one would never use a CS80 for string
> > washes.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> > piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
> >
> > Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> > of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
> >
> > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> > reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> > info please check www.parsick.com
> >
> > For legal downloads please check:
> >
> > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> > +Parsick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:02 PM
> > Subject: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> presets
> >
> > Which brings me to question is the SS30 strings nicer than CS-80
> > strings?
> > I use Strings 2 preset on my CS-50 all the time and it beats for
> > example my old ARP Omni 2 strings, Ro;and RS 202 strings hands down
> >
> > David
> >
> > On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
> >
> > > On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string
> synth
> > > and a Roland CR-78
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
> > >
> > >> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few
> that I
> > >> was
> > >> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said
> about
> > >> the
> > >> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that
> > got me
> > >> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
> > >>
> > >> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
> > >> mentioned
> > >> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw
> them
> > >> in a
> > >> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they
> performed
> > >> most
> > >> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an
> ARP
> > >> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
> > >> machine
> > >> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his
> CS-80
> > >> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and
> "Western
> > >> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets in a
> > >> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses the
> > >> CS-80
> > >> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
> > >> violin
> > >> solo in the title track.
> > >>
> > >> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try and
> > find
> > >> the edition with the original European track sequence, which
> makes
> > >> for a
> > >> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the
> > instrumental)
> > >> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The U.S.
> > >> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them
> at
> > >> the
> > >> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
> > >> way, IMHO.
> > >>
> > >> -Tim S.
> > >> <Twin Cities, MN>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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2009-01-09 by David
On 10/01/2009, at 1:45 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> I´m no technician and have no schematics for the SS30 around but I
> would say it´s safe to assume that the SS30 makes use of custom
> component parts like the other Yamaha instruments from that era. To
> my (limited) knowledge the SS30 uses divide-down circuitry with two
> sets of top-octave generators which can be detuned against each
> other, plus an Ensemble section which tries its best to get close to
> the blurriness of the Solina but not quite making it. Also, the SS30
> only has fixed settings for attack and sustain, both are not very
> useful so you have to use the SS30 with a volume pedal and some
> external delay line in order to "thicken" the sound a bit (Ultravox
> used an E1010 delay line, I think).
>
> Like I said, it has absolutely nothing to do with the CS80 string
> presets. The CS80´s sound thin and weedy -- not very realisitc by
> any accounts -- while the SS30 has the same quality as a Solina/ARP
> String Ensemble, i. e. making synthesised strings sound as realistic
> as possible. Also, the SS30 has an airy quality to it (others would
> call it "thin" or "anemic") which the CS80 can only achieve with
> extensive EQ tweaking. All in all, as much as I like my SS30 (which
> was formerly owned by Barbara Dickson, btw) I always find myself
> using the VP-330´s strings (or those of the Korg PE-2000) a lot more
> often.
>
> Being no tech, all potential failures I know of would be tantalum
> caps going bad so these should probably be replaced. As for the
> rest, I´d leave it untouched unless necessary.
>
> HTH,
>
> Stephen.
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
>
> Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
>
> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> info please check www.parsick.com
>
> For legal downloads please check:
>
> http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> +Parsick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To: Wavecomputer360
> Cc: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> presets
>
> Stephen
> Do you have any service tops to keep SS30 in good shape--any hard to
> get I/Cs parts like in CS80
> The SS30 has actually got 4 voice cards and two VCOs per card so I
> think it is sort of a hybrid 4 voice poly with further divide down
> circuitry?
> This will link may be of interest to see the voice cards and to see
> how well built the SS30
> http://ss30m.blogspot.com/2004/10/pictures.html
>
> cheers David
>
> On 30/12/2008, at 7:48 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I use a Roland VP-330 Vocoder Plus for these typical "string
> > synthesiser" sounds, plus these wonderful chorus sounds. As nice as
> > the SS30 is, it´s got too many shortcomings to really make it my
> > first choice, e. g. too short attack and decay times, ensemble not
> > continuously variable, generator detune not effective enough. It´s
> > certainly one of the nicest string synthesisers around but not the
> > be-all and end-all.
> >
> > After all, I get the best results from layering sounds, for instance
> > VP-330 strings with CS80 bass to get that full-bodied, meaty bass
> > drone with a nice contrast in the treble range. A little bit of
> > Prophet VS, Prophet 5, or Korg Wavestation adds further dimensional
> > depth.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little
> > piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
> >
> > Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany), 13th
> > of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
> >
> > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> > reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> > info please check www.parsick.com
> >
> > For legal downloads please check:
> >
> > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> > +Parsick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> > presets
> >
> > Hi Stephen
> > What do you use for string wash's--the SS30 I bet?
> > String No 2 preset on CS50/60/80 records really well----I like the
> > sound better than the strings on my old ARP Omni 2 and JP8
> >
> > David
> >
> > On 29/12/2008, at 8:34 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> >
> > > They´ve got nothing in common. It´s like comparing a Mini Moog
> with
> > > a, say, Vox Continental. A totally different sound generation,
> > > completely different signal paths... all the SS30 and the CS80
> have
> > > in common is a very high standard of engineering and build
> quality.
> > >
> > > I´ve got both of them here, SS30 and CS80, and they couldn´t be
> more
> > > different timbrally. I for one would never use a CS80 for string
> > > washes.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci
> little
> > > piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
> > >
> > > Stephen Parsick live in concert: Bochum Planetarium (Germany),
> 13th
> > > of December, 2008, 08:00 pm.
> > >
> > > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux,
> > > reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more
> > > info please check www.parsick.com
> > >
> > > For legal downloads please check:
> > >
> > > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen
> > > +Parsick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David
> > > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:02 PM
> > > Subject: [yamahacs80] SS30 Yamaha string synth vs CS-80 String
> > presets
> > >
> > > Which brings me to question is the SS30 strings nicer than CS-80
> > > strings?
> > > I use Strings 2 preset on my CS-50 all the time and it beats for
> > > example my old ARP Omni 2 strings, Ro;and RS 202 strings hands
> down
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > On 29/12/2008, at 6:58 AM, David wrote:
> > >
> > > > On the actual track Vienna Ultravox used an SS30 Yamaha string
> > synth
> > > > and a Roland CR-78
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29/12/2008, at 12:57 AM, Tim Siefkes wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This has been a very interesting thread! I'm learning a few
> > that I
> > > >> was
> > > >> not aware of. For me, I'd have to echo what David Rogoff said
> > about
> > > >> the
> > > >> first UK LP "practically a CS80 demo". That was the album that
> > > got me
> > > >> hooked and made me decide I HAD to get one of these beasts!
> > > >>
> > > >> One more I'd add to the list that I don't think that I've seen
> > > >> mentioned
> > > >> yet... (apologies if it has...) is "Vienna" by Ultravox. I saw
> > them
> > > >> in a
> > > >> small club here back in about, oh 1981 or 1982, and they
> > performed
> > > >> most
> > > >> if not all of the "Vienna" album. Billy Currie had a CS-80, an
> > ARP
> > > >> Odyssey (his signature sound), the CP-30 piano, another string
> > > >> machine
> > > >> (ELKA?) and what else I can't remember right now. He used his
> > CS-80
> > > >> quite a bit. Two tracks that come to mind are "Mr. X" and
> > "Western
> > > >> Promise" where he uses what sounds like the "Funky" presets
> in a
> > > >> percussive manner with a bit of echo. I think he's also uses
> the
> > > >> CS-80
> > > >> low strings as the descending cello counter line underneath the
> > > >> violin
> > > >> solo in the title track.
> > > >>
> > > >> Recommendation - if you should decide to get this album, try
> and
> > > find
> > > >> the edition with the original European track sequence, which
> > makes
> > > >> for a
> > > >> much better listening. The album SHOULD start with (the
> > > instrumental)
> > > >> "Astradyne" which is also how they opened their concert. The
> U.S.
> > > >> release starts with "Sleepwalk", a bit of a hit single for them
> > at
> > > >> the
> > > >> time but the LP lost some flavor when they re-sequenced it that
> > > >> way, IMHO.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Tim S.
> > > >> <Twin Cities, MN>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
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2009-01-11 by zaum
> Finally Tomita only two Yamaha Synths areminor qualification, only two Yamaha synths in the 70s or only two
> http://www.isaotomita.net/recordings/daphnis.html
> CS-80
> Strings SS-30