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Key weight question.....

Key weight question.....

2008-09-17 by Laurie Curry

I am planning on purchasing a new midi Controller with PolyAT....

The Vax77 has this feature and comes in various key weights.....

http://www.infiniteresponse.com/

It has a piano length key like the CS80.......


?? ...does anyone have the info on the CS80 keyweight in grams???

This would be the weight to move the key from rest to full on (not
including AT)


the stock keyweight of this VAX is 43 grams...

but it also comes in 27, 35, 60, 70, and 80 gram keyweight....

http://www.infiniteresponse.com/


My intentions are to use live with the new VST Rack from SM pro
Audio...and to keep my CS80 in the Studio from now on....

http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76


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Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-17 by alt-mode

Ummm, the Vax77 is currently vaporware.  I don¹t believe anything has been
heard from them for several months but I may be wrong.  Anybody heard from
them or actually seen an actual unit in person?

As far as key weight goes, the CS80 is much lighter than a regular piano
action.  I don¹t have a set of piano technician weights but my guess is that
you would be looking at the lower end of that keyweight range.

    Eric

On 9/16/08 10:38 PM, "Laurie Curry" <laurie@...> wrote:

>  
>  
> 
> 
> I am planning on purchasing a new midi Controller with PolyAT....
> 
> The Vax77 has this feature and comes in various key weights.....
> 
> http://www.infiniteresponse.com/
> 
> It has a piano length key like the CS80.......
> 
> ?? ...does anyone have the info on the CS80 keyweight in grams???
> 
> This would be the weight to move the key from rest to full on (not
> including AT)
> 
> the stock keyweight of this VAX is 43 grams...
> 
> but it also comes in 27, 35, 60, 70, and 80 gram keyweight....
> 
> http://www.infiniteresponse.com/
> 
> My intentions are to use live with the new VST Rack from SM pro
> Audio...and to keep my CS80 in the Studio from now on....
> 
> http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>  
>     



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Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-17 by Laurie Curry

Their website was updated last week...


I guess you may not have checked out the link I gave....
http://www.infiniteresponse.com/

I thought the 80 key weight was a bit heavier than the
heintzman....hmm

VAX77 Update - Features & AvailabilityAugust 5th, 2008 

 

We have spent the last few weeks diligently trying to plan a road show
to introduce the VAX77. Even though we have hundreds of people on our
mailing list, we cannot find an economically viable way to make these
presentations. With 53 people in LA and 37 in NYC and no other single
population center with more than 18 potential customers on our list,
the cost of the road show was prohibitive forthe exposure it would
have given our product. So here is the new plan.

 

A single model of the VAX77 will be available through retail channels.
This will be the 42 gram keyweight, gloss black version. Obviously, we
hope to convince GuitarCenter to carry the product and we are actively
pursuing regional retailers as well. Through this network of
authorized dealers, we will take customer orders for the other colors
and keyweights and ship these orders overnight directly to the dealer.

 

We sincerely apologize for this change in direction, but for the
majority of our potential customers (especially international
customers), this will allow them to experience the VAX77 much sooner.

 

The VAX77 is complete and ready for full scale production except for
one small plastic part that is being beefed up as a result of life
testing. The new injection molding tool for that part will be ready
for production in 3-4 weeks.

 

Later this month, we will update this web site with pictures of the
production product (the VAX77 isn’t vaporware anymore). It will show
how we implemented a Pitch Bend wheel and a Modulation slider within
the confines of the current design specifications. It will also
explain why we used touch screen inputs for some things and buttons
for others. We’ll also go into more detail on the new user interface
and the Patch Librarian software that is included with the product.
Soon after,we’ll begin an application notes section where we can
share the quickest ways to get up and running with various setups. For
example, Apple Logic/Mainstage doesn’t offer a way to export a
CONCERT. We’ll show you how we used the Patch Librarian to download
CONCERT presets into the VAX77.

 

Thanks you for staying with us. The VAX77 took far more time and cost
a lot more to develop than we ever imagined, but we think you’ll
like the result.


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-----Original message-----
From: alt-mode yahoo@...
Date:Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:33 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

Ummm, the Vax77 is currently vaporware. I don¹t believe anything has
been
heard from them for several months but I may be wrong. Anybody heard
from
them or actually seen an actual unit in person?

As far as key weight goes, the CS80 is much lighter than a regular
piano
action. I don¹t have a set of piano technician weights but my guess
is that
you would be looking at the lower end of that keyweight range.

Eric

On 9/16/08 10:38 PM, "Laurie Curry" wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I am planning on purchasing a new midi Controller with PolyAT....
> 
> The Vax77 has this feature and comes in various key weights.....
> 
> http://www.infiniteresponse.com/
> 
> It has a piano length keylike the CS80.......
> 
> ?? ...does anyone have the info on the CS80 keyweight in grams???
> 
> This would be the weight to move the key from rest to full on (not
> including AT)
> 
> the stock keyweight of this VAX is 43 grams...
> 
> but it also comes in 27, 35, 60, 70, and 80 gram keyweight....
> 
> http://www.infiniteresponse.com/
> 
> My intentions are to use live with the new VST Rack from SM pro
> Audio...and to keep my CS80 in the Studio from now on....
> 
>
http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 



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RE: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-17 by kent spong

Hi,
 
A CS80 white key is 172g  and a black key is 129g.
 



http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

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Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-17 by alt-mode

Ah, I looked at it a few weeks ago so I missed the latest update.  I’m still
a bit skeptical until we have some sightings and users but it is promising.

    Eric


On 9/16/08 11:11 PM, "Laurie Curry" <laurie@ronchmusic.com> wrote:

>  
>  
> 
> 
> Their website was updated last week...
> 
> I guess you may not have?checked out the link I gave....
> http://www.infiniteresponse.com/
> 
> I thought the 80 key weight?was a bit heavier than the
> heintzman....hmm
> 
> VAX77 Update - Features & AvailabilityAugust 5th, 2008
> 
> ?
> 
> We have spent the last few weeks diligently trying to plan a road show
> to introduce the VAX77. Even though we have hundreds of people on our
> mailing list, we cannot find an economically viable way to make these
> presentations. With 53 people in LA and 37 in NYC and no other single
> population center with more than 18 potential customers on our list,
> the cost of the road show was prohibitive forthe exposure it would
> have given our product. So here is the new plan.
> 
> ?
> 
> A single model of the VAX77 will be available through retail channels.
> This will be the 42 gram keyweight, gloss black version. Obviously, we
> hope to convince GuitarCenter to carry the product and we are actively
> pursuing regional retailers as well. Through this network of
> authorized dealers, we will take customer orders for the other colors
> and keyweights and ship these orders overnight directly to the dealer.
> 
> ?
> 
> We sincerely apologize for this change in direction, but for the
> majority of our potential customers (especially international
> customers), this will allow them to experience the VAX77 much sooner.
> 
> ?
> 
> The VAX77 is complete and ready for full scale production except for
> one small plastic part that is being beefed up as a result of life
> testing. The new injection molding tool for that part will be ready
> for production in 3-4 weeks.
> 
> ?
> 
> Later this month, we will update this web site with pictures of the
> production product (the VAX77 isn’t vaporware anymore). It will show
> how we implemented a Pitch Bend wheel and a Modulation slider within
> the confines of the current design specifications. It will also
> explain why we used touch screen inputs for some things and buttons
> for others. We’ll also go into more detail on the new user interface
> and the Patch Librarian software that is included with the product.
> Soon after,we’ll begin an application notes section where we can
> share the quickest ways to get up and running with various setups. For
> example, Apple Logic/Mainstage doesn’t offer a way to export a
> CONCERT. We’ll show you how we used the Patch Librarian to download
> CONCERT presets into the VAX77.
> 
> ?
> 
> Thanks you for staying with us. The VAX77 took far more time and cost
> a lot more to develop than we ever imagined, but we think you’ll
> like the result.
> 
> Posted in Uncategorized | 9 Comments ?
> -----Original message-----
> From: alt-mode yahoo@... <mailto:yahoo%40alt-mode.com>
> Date:Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:33 -0600
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....
> 
> Ummm, the Vax77 is currently vaporware. I don¹t believe anything has
> been
> heard from them for several months but I may be wrong. Anybody heard
> from
> them or actually seen an actual unit in person?
> 
> As far as key weight goes, the CS80 is much lighter than a regular
> piano
> action. I don¹t have a set of piano technician weights but my guess
> is that
> you would be looking at the lower end of that keyweight range.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On 9/16/08 10:38 PM, "Laurie Curry" wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I am planning on purchasing a new midi Controller with PolyAT....
>> > 
>> > The Vax77 has this feature and comes in?various key weights.....
>> > 
>> > http://www.infiniteresponse.com/
>> > 
>> > It has a piano length keylike the CS80.......
>> > 
>> > ?? ...does anyone have the info on the CS80 keyweight in grams???
>> > 
>> > This would be the weight to move the key from rest to full on (not
>> > including AT)
>> > 
>> > the stock keyweight of this VAX?is 43 grams...
>> > 
>> > but it also comes in 27, 35, 60, 70, and 80 gram keyweight....
>> > 
>> > http://www.infiniteresponse.com/
>> > 
>> > My intentions are to use live with the new VST Rack from SM pro
>> > Audio...and to keep my CS80 in the Studio from now on....
>> > 
>> >
> http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76
>> > 
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>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-17 by alt-mode

I believe Laurie was asking for the weight needed to fully depress the key,
not the actual weight of the key...  Yes, it is confusing but it is a piano
tech term.
    
    Eric
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On 9/17/08 6:55 AM, "kent spong" <kent_spong@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> A CS80 white key is 172g  and a black key is 129g.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/
> 
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RE: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-17 by Laurie Curry

Hi Kent...given that you have gram scales,

Could you tell me then , what the mininum weight would be to depress
a CS80 key from its resting position to note on ???(I assume the key
weights would be measued in the actual  playing end of the key, and
not close to the fulcrum)

thanks... :)
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From: kent spong kent_spong@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:55:24 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

Hi,

A CS80 white key is 172g and a black key is 129g.




http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

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Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-18 by Laurie Curry

So does anyone have an Idea on the weight needed to push the keys
down???
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-----Original message-----
From: alt-mode yahoo@...
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:43:01 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

I believe Laurie was asking for the weight needed to fully depress the
key,
not the actual weight of the key... Yes, it is confusing but it is a
piano
tech term.

Eric


On 9/17/08 6:55 AM, "kent spong" wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A CS80 white key is 172g and a black key is 129g.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
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Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-21 by Laurie Curry

So again I ask,does anyone have an Idea on the weight needed to push
the keys
down??? I dont have any "gram" weights that I can measure this with,
and I don't want to ask to borrow some from people who may wonder
why I would need them......lol
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-----Original message-----
From: "Laurie Curry" laurie@...
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:29:36 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

So does anyone have an Idea on the weight needed to push the keys
down???
-----Original message-----
From: alt-mode yahoo@...
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:43:01 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

I believe Laurie was asking for the weight needed to fully depress the
key,
not the actual weight of the key... Yes, it is confusing but it is a
piano
tech term.

Eric


On 9/17/08 6:55 AM, "kent spong" wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A CS80 white key is 172g and a black key is 129g.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 





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Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

2008-09-23 by Laurie Curry

Okay....

If my tests are correct, it takes 41 canadian pennies to drop the
CS80  White Key at its edge...

or 96.35 grams.... anyone else have a different reading???
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-----Original message-----
From: "Laurie Curry" laurie@...
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:18:09 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

So again I ask,does anyone have an Idea on the weight needed to push
the keys
down??? I dont have any "gram" weights that I can measure this with,
and I don't want to ask to borrow some from people who may wonder
why I would need them......lol

-----Original message-----
From: "Laurie Curry" laurie@ronchmusic.com
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:29:36 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

So does anyone have an Idea on the weight needed to push thekeys
down???
-----Original message-----
From: alt-mode yahoo@...
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:43:01 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Key weight question.....

I believe Laurie was asking for the weight needed to fully depress the
key,
not the actual weight of the key... Yes, it is confusing but it is a
piano
tech term.

Eric


On 9/17/08 6:55 AM, "kent spong" wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A CS80 white key is 172g and a black key is 129g.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 





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