Yamaha CS80

OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now. But
even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's worth
$8,000.

Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
$3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worth that much to me.

I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by it's
reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any more
desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).

Bzzzt! Look again:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160210158338

Sold for $15K (BIN). Now, we don't know if the deal will be completed,
but the adage always proves correct: goods are worth whatever people are
willing to pay for them. I imagine that there are more than a few
people around here who would sell their CS-80s if they knew they'd get
$15K for certain!

-Synth80s

> OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now.

remember-what one person is willing to pay for something doesnt
immediately make that number "market value".

i was under the impression that as of the last 2 years, market value
was 5-8k, as ive seen them sell for that.

i paid between 3500-5k for mine last year, still seemed like alot, and
it was definitely worth every penny. in fact, i now consider it a
steal. what does $7500 in 1977 dollars translate to now anyway?

lets put it this way, if a jupiter 8 is worth 4-6 grand now, cause
that's what they sell for, maybe a cs80 IS worth 15k. i sure like it
3-4 times as much!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "dscr22" <dscr22@...> wrote:
>
>
> OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now. But
> even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's worth
> $8,000.
>
> Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
> sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
> $3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worth that much to me.
>
> I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by it's
> reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any more
> desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
> price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).
>

I have spent $800.00 for a days worth of technician on 3 different
occasions.......What do you mean when you think it isn't worth more
than a memory moog or Prophet 10????


If you are a trophy hunter, than your logistics may be true......

If you are a CS80 user.......the original $8,000 price tag should be a
no brainer compared to todays rapidly spiraling dollars.......
-----Original message-----
From: "dscr22" dscr22@...
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:43:11 -0700
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)


OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now. But
even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's
worth
$8,000.

Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
$3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worththat much to me.

I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by
it's
reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any more
desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).







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truer words have never been spoken.

Laurie Curry <laurie@...> wrote:
I have spent $800.00 for a days worth of technician on 3 different
occasions.......What do you mean when you think it isn't worth more
than a memory moog or Prophet 10????

If you are a trophy hunter, than your logistics may be true......

If you are a CS80 user.......the original $8,000 price tag should be a
no brainer compared to todays rapidly spiraling dollars.......
-----Original message-----
From: "dscr22" dscr22@...
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:43:11 -0700
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)

OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now. But
even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's
worth
$8,000.

Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
$3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worththat much to me.

I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by
it's
reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any more
desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).

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And I used to think the 6,000 Euros a broken one -- without any accessories -- fetched last year was *way* over the top. This is insane, but that´s probably just me thinking this way... the lucky buyer has absolutely *no* idea about the pleasures of CS80 maintenance and restoration work, I reckon.

Stephen (who wouldn´t part with #1591 for 25,000 US$).

____________________________________________________________________

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----- Original Message -----
From: dscr22
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:43 AM
Subject: [yamahacs80] CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)



OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now. But
even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's worth
$8,000.

Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
$3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worth that much to me.

I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by it's
reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any more
desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).





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--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Synth80s" <synth80s@...> wrote:

>
> Bzzzt! Look again:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160210158338

Actually, it didn't sell. The auction ended with no bidders. May have
been relisted.

-Jim

That link shows it did sell, with Buy-It-Now.

Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

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From: Jim Combs
Sent: Wed 27/02/2008 1:19 AM

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Synth80s" <synth80s@...> wrote:
> Bzzzt! Look again:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160210158338

Actually, it didn't sell. The auction ended with no bidders. May have
been relisted.

-Jim

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It sold, and since the buyer has a number of completed
auctions (as opposed to a new user with no feedback)
there's at least a decent chance that it's a
legitimate deal.

... which, if true, a CS with MIDI and other extras
(like mine) worth something pretty ridiculous. I can't
really imagine parting with mine either, though at
that price point I have to admit it crosses my mind.



--- "Wheaton, Simon" <simon.wheaton@...>
wrote:

> That link shows it did sell, with Buy-It-Now.
>
> Simon
> Canberra
> AUSTRALIA
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jim Combs
> Sent: Wed 27/02/2008 1:19 AM
>
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Synth80s"
> <synth80s@...> wrote:
> > Bzzzt! Look again:
> >
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160210158338

>
> Actually, it didn't sell. The auction ended with no
> bidders. May have
> been relisted.
>
> -Jim
>
>

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There is nothing like this synth. I think the CS80 will only keep going up in price. Great to hear it sold for 15k. I have spent a ton of money going right to buying synths instead of buying a condo in Los Angeles. I am starting to think I might have made the right choice.



To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: hciassociates@...
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:35:14 -0800
Subject: RE: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)




















It sold, and since the buyer has a number of completed

auctions (as opposed to a new user with no feedback)

there's at least a decent chance that it's a

legitimate deal.



... which, if true, a CS with MIDI and other extras

(like mine) worth something pretty ridiculous. I can't

really imagine parting with mine either, though at

that price point I have to admit it crosses my mind.



--- "Wheaton, Simon" <simon.wheaton@...>

wrote:

> That link shows it did sell, with Buy-It-Now.

>

> Simon

> Canberra

> AUSTRALIA

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Jim Combs

> Sent: Wed 27/02/2008 1:19 AM

>

> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Synth80s"

> <synth80s@...> wrote:

> > Bzzzt! Look again:

> >

>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160210158338

>

> Actually, it didn't sell. The auction ended with no

> bidders. May have

> been relisted.

>

> -Jim

>

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scott, i think you were right. and i agree. its to the point now where the synthex and the cs80 are 2 synths i dont think i could put a personal monetary value on, as i get more out of them than anything else ive ever owned.

and especially if the droughts continue, the fires continue, and sooner or later, ins. companies may not be ABLE to ensure properties in so cal, you may have DEFINITELY made the right choice. new nat'l geographic has an article that makes me think its quite possible....sorry, OT

Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote: There is nothing like this synth. I think the CS80 will only keep going up in price. Great to hear it sold for 15k. I have spent a ton of money going right to buying synths instead of buying a condo in Los Angeles. I am starting to think I might have made the right choice.

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: hciassociates@...
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:35:14 -0800
Subject: RE: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)

It sold, and since the buyer has a number of completed

auctions (as opposed to a new user with no feedback)

there's at least a decent chance that it's a

legitimate deal.

... which, if true, a CS with MIDI and other extras

(like mine) worth something pretty ridiculous. I can't

really imagine parting with mine either, though at

that price point I have to admit it crosses my mind.

--- "Wheaton, Simon" <simon.wheaton@...>

wrote:

> That link shows it did sell, with Buy-It-Now.

>

> Simon

> Canberra

> AUSTRALIA

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Jim Combs

> Sent: Wed 27/02/2008 1:19 AM

>

> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Synth80s"

> <synth80s@...> wrote:

> > Bzzzt! Look again:

> >

>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160210158338

>

> Actually, it didn't sell. The auction ended with no

> bidders. May have

> been relisted.

>

> -Jim

>

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True, but the original premise was that the seller wouldn't get his Buy
It Now asking price (he did) and that the synth isn't worth $15,000.
Since it sold for $15,000, that particular synth *is* worth that much.
Ain't capitalism grand? ;)

-Synth80s

> remember-what one person is willing to pay for something doesnt
> immediately make that number "market value".

Well why doesn't someone else put their CS80 on Ebay for a buy it now of $16,000, and see if it sells.



To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: synth80s@...
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:45:23 -0800
Subject: RE: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)




















True, but the original premise was that the seller wouldn't get his Buy

It Now asking price (he did) and that the synth isn't worth $15,000.

Since it sold for $15,000, that particular synth *is* worth that much.

Ain't capitalism grand? ;)



-Synth80s

> remember-what one person is willing to pay for something doesnt

> immediately make that number "market value".

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All, thanks for the replies! I'm SPEECHLESS...

Scott: why stop at $16,000???

Laurie: I mean just what I said. I don't like the CS-80 better than
the Memorymoog, Prophet10, OB-X, Jupiter8. But I do like it!

What the market will bear indeed. Again, I just can't believe it. I
had no idea they were going for more than $4k.

Now, that said... I agree with the guy that said he wouldn't sell his
for $25k. When it costs $50k to redo a kitchen, or $150k to send a
kid to college, my lifestyle isn't going to change significantly even
for a good number of thousands. Man, if the wife finds out and I
refuse to sell it though... I'm going to be sleeping under it!!!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Curry" <laurie@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have spent $800.00 for a days worth of technician on 3 different
> occasions.......What do you mean when you think it isn't worth more
> than a memory moog or Prophet 10????
>
>
> If you are a trophy hunter, than your logistics may be true......
>
> If you are a CS80 user.......the original $8,000 price tag should
be a
> no brainer compared to todays rapidly spiraling dollars.......
> -----Original message-----
> From: "dscr22" dscr22@...
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:43:11 -0700
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [yamahacs80] CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)
>
>
> OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now.
But
> even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's
> worth
> $8,000.
>
> Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
> sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
> $3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worththat much to me.
>
> I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by
> it's
> reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any
more
> desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
> price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Tell her to sleep in the kitchen when it drops below the CS80s
value.....
-----Original message-----
From: "dscr22" dscr22@...
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:37:12 -0700
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)


All, thanks for the replies! I'm SPEECHLESS...

Scott: why stop at $16,000???

Laurie: I mean just what I said. I don't like the CS-80 better than
the Memorymoog, Prophet10, OB-X, Jupiter8. But I do like it!

What the market will bear indeed. Again, I just can't believe it. I
had no idea they were going for more than $4k.

Now, that said... I agree with the guy that said he wouldn't sell his
for $25k. When it costs $50k to redo a kitchen, or $150k to send a
kid to college, my lifestyle isn't going to change significantly even
for a good number of thousands. Man, if the wife finds out and I
refuse tosell it though... I'm going to be sleeping under it!!!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Curry" wrote:
>
>
> I have spent $800.00 for a days worth of technician on 3 different
> occasions.......What do you mean when you think it isn't worth more
> than a memory moog or Prophet 10????
>
>
> If you are a trophy hunter, than your logistics may be true......
>
> If you are a CS80 user.......the original $8,000 price tag should
be a
> no brainer compared to todays rapidly
spiraling dollars.......
> -----Original message-----
> From: "dscr22" dscr22@...
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:43:11 -0700
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [yamahacs80] CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)
>
>
> OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now.
But
> even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's
> worth
> $8,000.
>
> Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
> sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
> $3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worththat much to me.
>
> I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by
> it's
> reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any
more
> desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
> price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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There´s a guy on eBay Germany who´s currently selling an old Yamaha PM-400 mixer... in the photo, you can see a CS80 in the background. His asking price is, hang on a second, 15,000 Euro plus 19% VAT...

And I thought 15,000 US$ was insane...

Stephen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Laurie Curry
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:38 AM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)


Tell her to sleep in the kitchen when it drops below the CS80s
value.....
-----Original message-----
From: "dscr22" dscr22@...
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:37:12 -0700
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)

All, thanks for the replies! I'm SPEECHLESS...

Scott: why stop at $16,000???

Laurie: I mean just what I said. I don't like the CS-80 better than
the Memorymoog, Prophet10, OB-X, Jupiter8. But I do like it!

What the market will bear indeed. Again, I just can't believe it. I
had no idea they were going for more than $4k.

Now, that said... I agree with the guy that said he wouldn't sell his
for $25k. When it costs $50k to redo a kitchen, or $150k to send a
kid to college, my lifestyle isn't going to change significantly even
for a good number of thousands. Man, if the wife finds out and I
refuse tosell it though... I'm going to be sleeping under it!!!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Curry" wrote:
>
>
> I have spent $800.00 for a days worth of technician on 3 different
> occasions.......What do you mean when you think it isn't worth more
> than a memory moog or Prophet 10????
>
>
> If you are a trophy hunter, than your logistics may be true......
>
> If you are a CS80 user.......the original $8,000 price tag should
be a
> no brainer compared to todays rapidly
spiraling dollars.......
> -----Original message-----
> From: "dscr22" dscr22@...
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:43:11 -0700
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [yamahacs80] CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)
>
>
> OK, let's say up front the guy isn't going to get his Buy It Now.
But
> even the comments from people ridiculing that number suggest it's
> worth
> $8,000.
>
> Is that true? I don't watch them super closely and haven't seen one
> sell for a couple years. But I've never seen one go for more than
> $3,500. Twice that? Yikes, they're not worththat much to me.
>
> I love the CS-80, but other than the glamor pretty much defined by
> it's
> reputation, rarity, and market value... I don't consider it any
more
> desirable of a keyboard than several others that sell in the $3,500
> price range (Memorymoog, Prophet10, etc.).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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You know, a couple things occur to me:

1. With this major jump in selling price... many of us won't bite at
those types of numbers, but you may see a rash (like two or three) of
CS-80s come up for auction by people that would rather have that kind
of bread than the synth. I've seen that happen before. We would then
find out if the true market value is $15,000, or if there was just one
rich guy that had no issue taking the plunge on that Buy It Now.

2. With market values so high, this can only help produce solutions
for long-term survivability - whether a reissue of IG ICs, or
production of discrete replacements.

Its really not that suprising that the CS80 would sell for $15,000
considering putneys and synthis fetch $5k or more on a regular basis..
i think over the last 3 or 4 years synth prices have totally shot up..
even faster then previous years. 2600s and jP8s sell for $4k plus on
ebay all the time.. in the early 2000s they could be had for $2k on a
weekly basis.

prophets 5 are still undervalued in my opinion ;)

10-20 years from now I think it will be shocking what a maintained
CS80 will be worth.. and of course there will be fewer parts and
qualified technicians to work on them.

>
> 1. With this major jump in selling price... many of us won't bite at
> those types of numbers, but you may see a rash (like two or three) of
> CS-80s come up for auction by people that would rather have that kind
> of bread than the synth. I've seen that happen before. We would then
> find out if the true market value is $15,000, or if there was just one
> rich guy that had no issue taking the plunge on that Buy It Now.
>
> 2. With market values so high, this can only help produce solutions
> for long-term survivability - whether a reissue of IG ICs, or
> production of discrete replacements.
>

Big difference between $5k and $15k, but point taken.

I'm a lucky guy. Bought a bunch of vintage keys circa 1990 when
people were giving them away. Started buying again after I joined
eBay in 2000... I've paid $3,000-$3,500 for like four different
keyboards, but that's just absolutely it. No way I could go above
that for anything.

DF

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <echo7even@...> wrote:
>
> Its really not that suprising that the CS80 would sell for $15,000
> considering putneys and synthis fetch $5k or more on a regular
basis..
> i think over the last 3 or 4 years synth prices have totally shot
up..
> even faster then previous years. 2600s and jP8s sell for $4k plus
on
> ebay all the time.. in the early 2000s they could be had for $2k on
a
> weekly basis.
>
> prophets 5 are still undervalued in my opinion ;)
>
> 10-20 years from now I think it will be shocking what a maintained
> CS80 will be worth.. and of course there will be fewer parts and
> qualified technicians to work on them.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > 1. With this major jump in selling price... many of us won't
bite at
> > those types of numbers, but you may see a rash (like two or
three) of
> > CS-80s come up for auction by people that would rather have that
kind
> > of bread than the synth. I've seen that happen before. We would
then
> > find out if the true market value is $15,000, or if there was
just one
> > rich guy that had no issue taking the plunge on that Buy It Now.
> >
> > 2. With market values so high, this can only help produce
solutions
> > for long-term survivability - whether a reissue of IG ICs, or
> > production of discrete replacements.
> >
>

Perhaps I shouldn't be shocked, but in the last week, the following
sales have closed on eBay:

Yamaha CS-80 - $15,000
Roland Jupiter 6 - $1,700
Roland Juno 60 - $950
Sequential Circuits Prophet T8 - $2,950
Oberheim 4 Voice - $4,800
Moog MiniMoog D - $3,383

All of these seem somewhat high to me, but I think that's partially a
reflection of eBay's impact on the vintage synth market.

-Synth80s

I'd say that reflects the weak dollar. Prices are more or less the same
or lower as in ebay.de/uk (except for the cs-80!)

Fredrik Segerfalk
www.segerfalk.com
www.analogsweden.com

Synth80s wrote:

> S
>
> Perhaps I shouldn't be shocked, but in the last week, the
> following sales have closed on eBay: Yamaha CS-80 - $15,000 Roland Jupiter
> 6 - $1,700 Roland Juno 60 - $950 Sequential Circuits Prophet T8 - $2,950
> Oberheim 4 Voice - $4,800 Moog MiniMoog D - $3,383 [...]
>

Think about this for a moment.



Based on annual wages and standard of living, car prices, house
prices, food, fuel,ect in 1976. A CS80 in the UK cost £5,999 / $11,000



By today's new figures 2008 that means a CS80 would cost roughly
£270,000. that's half a million dollars people.



Only the rich and famous could afford them then. And now?





Well, now it is about removing the word vintage and putting the word
antique in it's place. Vintage Analogue is a 90's buzz word and now
only really describes plug-in's. Today this gear is Antique and now
has all the trappings of items that fall into that category. Add the
fact that more people want to own one than there are CS80's to go
around, thus making them rare. And it would take a lot of money to
get someone to part with theirs in the first place.



How much would you sell yours for eh!





Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in the US who
offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said no

What strikes me most in this list is how desparately some people seem to be seeking for that "vintage" glory... 950 US$ for a Juno 60?!

The rest seems to be rather realistic, and I for one would be happy to find both a T-8 and a Four Voice at prices like these over here... it seems debatable as to whether a Mini Moog is worth that much, or a Jupiter-6, for that matter. But then again, I would not part with my Mini Moog for 5,000 US$.

It´s worth what people are willing to pay for it...

Stephen

____________________________________________________________________

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Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks.

It´s out: [´ramp] & markus reuter -- "ceasing to exist", a gorgeous dark ambient album. available through our webshop at www.doombient.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: Synth80s
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)


Perhaps I shouldn't be shocked, but in the last week, the following
sales have closed on eBay:

Yamaha CS-80 - $15,000
Roland Jupiter 6 - $1,700
Roland Juno 60 - $950
Sequential Circuits Prophet T8 - $2,950
Oberheim 4 Voice - $4,800
Moog MiniMoog D - $3,383

All of these seem somewhat high to me, but I think that's partially a
reflection of eBay's impact on the vintage synth market.

-Synth80s




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You cant put a price on an 80... until it brakes that is and you cant get
the chips you need to fix it... its worth thinking about that...
Personally, i paid 2100 USD for mine, plus 1K on restoration (hiya kent)
I also had 3x 60s (all with issues) that i bought cheap for parts machines
and I think my 80 has paid for itself, after selling 2/3 of all the boards
from the 60s.. I certainly havent got a lot of money in my 80 so to speak,
so if there comes a day i cant get it fixed, ill be gutted, but i wont be
really badly out of pocket, i feel bad for those folks who are paying 5K
upwards, if they go down, thats a lot of money down the pan... sorry
correction... we are up to about 6-7K in the UK now iirc?
I still have 4 voice cards, 3x trg boards and most of the other ones kicking
around, as and when.. Did have 18 voice cards.. Ebay made me part with 14 of
them..
Still the 80 is a special keyboard, ive got mine setup now and have been
spending quite some time playing with it..
Those front panel controls for the presets have a real sweet spot, it took
me quite a while to get it how i wanted it. But its such a beautiful sound..
Mine still has one vco which is slightly out, a semitone or so, sometimes it
seems to come right into tune, other times not.. I think it needs replacing
(hi again Kent)
Just need a decent polyaftertouch keyboard that Midiboard is to big and ugly
for me.. Im using an Andromeda for my master keyboard at the moment, even
though it only has mono aftertouch, its a nice action..

I recon the prices will hit a ceiling at some point, dont know what that
price will be, but i recon, maybe 7K... Cant see anyone paying more than
that, thats a serious wedge of cash, but i guess collectors with deep
pockets will pay whatever they can afford..

Cheers,
Rob.

> Think about this for a moment.
>
>
>
> Based on annual wages and standard of living, car prices, house
> prices, food, fuel,ect in 1976. A CS80 in the UK cost £5,999 / $11,000
>
>
>
> By today's new figures 2008 that means a CS80 would cost roughly
> £270,000. that's half a million dollars people.
>
>
>
> Only the rich and famous could afford them then. And now?
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, now it is about removing the word vintage and putting the word
> antique in it's place. Vintage Analogue is a 90's buzz word and now
> only really describes plug-in's. Today this gear is Antique and now
> has all the trappings of items that fall into that category. Add the
> fact that more people want to own one than there are CS80's to go
> around, thus making them rare. And it would take a lot of money to
> get someone to part with theirs in the first place.
>
>
>
> How much would you sell yours for eh!
>
>
>
>
>
> Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in the US who
> offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said no
>
>

Regards,
Rob Belcher
www.myspace.com/duplx

Well put, Rob, What goes up, must come down.

What worries me is that my CS would be impossible for me to replace in case something breaks irredeemably... I had mine overhauled by a Dutch CS80 expert, and still it´s not up to 100%. 90% is still a lot, though ;-).

Stephen

____________________________________________________________________

"Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")

Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks.

It´s out: [´ramp] & markus reuter -- "ceasing to exist", a gorgeous dark ambient album. available through our webshop at www.doombient.com

For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com

----- Original Message -----
From: blchrr@...
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)


You cant put a price on an 80... until it brakes that is and you cant get
the chips you need to fix it... its worth thinking about that...
Personally, i paid 2100 USD for mine, plus 1K on restoration (hiya kent)
I also had 3x 60s (all with issues) that i bought cheap for parts machines
and I think my 80 has paid for itself, after selling 2/3 of all the boards
from the 60s.. I certainly havent got a lot of money in my 80 so to speak,
so if there comes a day i cant get it fixed, ill be gutted, but i wont be
really badly out of pocket, i feel bad for those folks who are paying 5K
upwards, if they go down, thats a lot of money down the pan... sorry
correction... we are up to about 6-7K in the UK now iirc?
I still have 4 voice cards, 3x trg boards and most of the other ones kicking
around, as and when.. Did have 18 voice cards.. Ebay made me part with 14 of
them..
Still the 80 is a special keyboard, ive got mine setup now and have been
spending quite some time playing with it..
Those front panel controls for the presets have a real sweet spot, it took
me quite a while to get it how i wanted it. But its such a beautiful sound..
Mine still has one vco which is slightly out, a semitone or so, sometimes it
seems to come right into tune, other times not.. I think it needs replacing
(hi again Kent)
Just need a decent polyaftertouch keyboard that Midiboard is to big and ugly
for me.. Im using an Andromeda for my master keyboard at the moment, even
though it only has mono aftertouch, its a nice action..

I recon the prices will hit a ceiling at some point, dont know what that
price will be, but i recon, maybe 7K... Cant see anyone paying more than
that, thats a serious wedge of cash, but i guess collectors with deep
pockets will pay whatever they can afford..

Cheers,
Rob.

> Think about this for a moment.
>
>
>
> Based on annual wages and standard of living, car prices, house
> prices, food, fuel,ect in 1976. A CS80 in the UK cost £5,999 / $11,000
>
>
>
> By today's new figures 2008 that means a CS80 would cost roughly
> £270,000. that's half a million dollars people.
>
>
>
> Only the rich and famous could afford them then. And now?
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, now it is about removing the word vintage and putting the word
> antique in it's place. Vintage Analogue is a 90's buzz word and now
> only really describes plug-in's. Today this gear is Antique and now
> has all the trappings of items that fall into that category. Add the
> fact that more people want to own one than there are CS80's to go
> around, thus making them rare. And it would take a lot of money to
> get someone to part with theirs in the first place.
>
>
>
> How much would you sell yours for eh!
>
>
>
>
>
> Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in the US who
> offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said no
>
>


Regards,
Rob Belcher
www.myspace.com/duplx





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

At these prices, it is quite silly that we cant have a IC maker step in, and preserve the last remaining 80's from being
part sources.....
how many working CS80s do you think there are left??? how many partially working CS80s could be revived???
Has any one that has parted out a CS80, had the courage to toss the rest in the litter lately???
someone has got to notice how much a CS80 enthusiast is willing to shell for a working M board...
-----Original message-----
From: blchrr@...
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:18:38 -0700
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80 on eBay? ($15,000?!?!?!?)

> You cant put a price on an 80... until it brakes that is and you cant get
> the chips you need to fix it... its worth thinking about that...
> Personally, i paid 2100 USD for mine, plus 1K on restoration (hiya kent)
> I also had 3x 60s (all with issues) that i bought cheap for parts machines
> and I think my 80 has paid for itself, after selling 2/3 of all the boards
> from the 60s.. I certainly havent got a lot of money in my 80 so to speak,
> so if there comes a day i cant get it fixed, ill be gutted, but i wont be
> really badly out of pocket, i feel bad for those folks who are paying 5K
> upwards, if they go down, thats a lot of money down the pan... sorry
> correction... we are up to about 6-7K in the UK now iirc?
> I still have 4 voice cards, 3x trg boards and most of the other ones kicking
> around, as and when.. Did have 18 voice cards.. Ebay made me part with 14 of
> them..
> Still the 80 is a special keyboard, ive got mine setup now and have been
> spending quite some time playing with it..
> Those front panel controls for the presets have a real sweet spot, it took
> me quite a while to get it how i wanted it. But its such a beautiful sound..
> Mine still has one vco which is slightly out, a semitone or so, sometimes it
> seems to come right into tune, other times not.. I think it needs replacing
> (hi again Kent)
> Just need a decent polyaftertouch keyboard that Midiboard is to big and ugly
> for me.. Im using an Andromeda for my master keyboard at the moment, even
> though it only has mono aftertouch, its a nice action..
>
> I recon the prices will hit a ceiling at some point, dont know what that
> price will be, but i recon, maybe 7K... Cant see anyone paying more than
> that, thats a serious wedge of cash, but i guess collectors with deep
> pockets will pay whatever they can afford..
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
>
> > Think about this for a moment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Based on annual wages and standard of living, car prices, house
> > prices, food, fuel,ect in 1976. A CS80 in the UK cost £5,999 / $11,000
> >
> >
> >
> > By today's new figures 2008 that means a CS80 would cost roughly
> > £270,000. that's half a million dollars people.
> >
> >
> >
> > Only the rich and famous could afford them then. And now?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, now it is about removing the word vintage and putting the word
> > antique in it's place. Vintage Analogue is a 90's buzz word and now
> > only really describes plug-in's. Today this gear is Antique and now
> > has all the trappings of items that fall into that category. Add the
> > fact that more people want to own one than there are CS80's to go
> > around, thus making them rare. And it would take a lot of money to
> > get someone to part with theirs in the first place.
> >
> >
> >
> > How much would you sell yours for eh!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in the US who
> > offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said no
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Rob Belcher
> www.myspace.com/duplx
>
>
>

--- kent_spong <kent_spong@...> wrote:

> Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in
> the US who
> offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said
> no

Heck, give him my email address. I love my CS-80, but
I'm not entirely sure I love it $24,000 worth. That
kind of scratch could build an amazing modular.

Mike



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It would be cool if some IC drop in could be made, maybe a pcb, with
discreet components for the vcos and wire it all up to the rest of the
spagetti..

Now that Juergen has one i feel a lot better about the future of the beast,
i know he will think of something clever..

What do you say juergen?? :)

Whats after the frequency shifter pcb project :))))

>
> --- kent_spong <kent_spong@...> wrote:
>> Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in
>> the US who
>> offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said
>> no
>
> Heck, give him my email address. I love my CS-80, but
> I'm not entirely sure I love it $24,000 worth. That
> kind of scratch could build an amazing modular.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
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Regards,
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The guy with the GX-1 (http://www.pinballswanted.com) was thinking
somebody like McCartney or Elton John would come along and give him
$2M. After a brief time, his Buy It Now was US$200k or $250k. And
frankly I was surprised some rich guy didn't spring for it. Several
months back, he put it for auction for starting bid of AU$100k, which
was like US$83k, and I still believe he's sitting on it.

The point you raise is ALWAYS an interesting one to consider - how
much people had to spend for these keys back in the day when they
were new. In fact, the original owner of my CS-80 bought it new when
he was like 21 years old. My tech was that same age at that time,
remembers wanting one sooo bad, and COULDN'T IMAGINE someone his age
could've bought one new! And, in fact, the guy was still living in a
trailer part 20 years later, so it probably changed the whole course
of his life!

But, really, the amount people had to sacrifice in 1977 to buy one
really isn't particularly relevant to what current market values are
or should be. And it's pretty apparent at these prices that the
current free market is doing fine on it's own!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "kent_spong" <kent_spong@...>
wrote:

>
> Think about this for a moment.
>
>
>
> Based on annual wages and standard of living, car prices, house
> prices, food, fuel,ect in 1976. A CS80 in the UK cost £5,999 /

$11,000

>
>
>
> By today's new figures 2008 that means a CS80 would cost roughly
> £270,000. that's half a million dollars people.
>
>
>
> Only the rich and famous could afford them then. And now?
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, now it is about removing the word vintage and putting the

word

> antique in it's place. Vintage Analogue is a 90's buzz word and now
> only really describes plug-in's. Today this gear is Antique and now
> has all the trappings of items that fall into that category. Add

the

> fact that more people want to own one than there are CS80's to go
> around, thus making them rare. And it would take a lot of money to
> get someone to part with theirs in the first place.
>
>
>
> How much would you sell yours for eh!
>
>
>
>
>
> Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in the US who
> offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said no
>

I believe that's the idea. It has been looked at and from my
understanding possible, but I don't want to put word in the mouth or
otherwise put the relevant geniuses on the spot.

It does need to be pointed out though, that the economics of
producing new batches of IG ICs would be EXCEPTIONALLY
questionable. You've got a couple thousand of the target synths in
the world, multiple ICs to re-do, and maybe something in the
neighborhood of $100k fixed cost to produce a batch of parts - it
would likely scale somewhat, but I mean that for EACH part. You can
do the math on whether there's an eventual payback there, but
silicons are all BIG companies - they're going to weigh this against
other development option for profit potential, not pursue it because
of how cool CS-80s are.

This has been discussed in these threads before. The solution is
clearly hoping for discrete replacements, and cannibalizing 60s and
80s in the meantime (a practice by the way which, over the next let's
say 15 years can drastically reduce the market for new replacements
be they discrete or ICs). I myself bought one of Rob's KCB boards, I
think it was around $135... then I said "wait a minute - I can get a
CS-50 for less than $500!!!". And I proceeded to do just that. Nice
fully functional CS-50 for $485, hope many years go by before I have
to cannibalize it. Not sure what that's worth now - it was less than
two years ago when I got it - but I reckon a bunch more than $500.
I estimated at the time there were around $1300 worth of parts in
there.

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, blchrr@... wrote:
>
> It would be cool if some IC drop in could be made, maybe a pcb,
with
> discreet components for the vcos and wire it all up to the rest of
the
> spagetti..
>
> Now that Juergen has one i feel a lot better about the future of
the beast,
> i know he will think of something clever..
>
> What do you say juergen?? :)
>
> Whats after the frequency shifter pcb project :))))
>
> >
> > --- kent_spong <kent_spong@...> wrote:
> >> Well only a few weeks ago I was emailed by a guy in
> >> the US who
> >> offered me $24,000 for my CS80 and guess what I said
> >> no
> >
> > Heck, give him my email address. I love my CS-80, but
> > I'm not entirely sure I love it $24,000 worth. That
> > kind of scratch could build an amazing modular.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Rob Belcher
> www.myspace.com/duplx
>

>Now that Juergen has one i feel a lot better about the future of the beast,
>i know he will think of something clever..
>
>What do you say juergen?? :)

That Scott Rider is the CS-80 man. :)

JH.

I don't know why, but this cannibalism thread triggers a funny, Monty
Python-esque image in my head, somewhat like the "we've come for your
liver" scene.

Imagine you have your superstar CS-80 and his trusty sidekick, CS-50.
CS-80 is the center of the studio, awash in spotlights and adoration;
CS-50 sites over on some 3-tier synth rack squeezed between a Kawai and
a Crumar (oh, the indignity). Any time the CS-80 shows any indication
of being sick, CS-50 gets *really* nervous because he knows he's going
to be harvested for parts. One day, you have to break the bad news...

"Sorry, little buddy. CS-80, the quarterback of the synth team, isn't
doing well and needs to 'borrow' some of your parts" (knowing it's a
lie, you have to look away when you use the word 'borrow'). "I'm sure
you understand. Thanks for being a team player. Goodbye, now..."

I feel bad for the victims of synth cannibalism, but theirs is a noble
cause! ;)

-Synth80s

> This has been discussed in these threads before. The solution is
> clearly hoping for discrete replacements, and cannibalizing 60s and
> 80s in the meantime (a practice by the way which, over the next let's
> say 15 years can drastically reduce the market for new replacements
> be they discrete or ICs). I myself bought one of Rob's KCB boards, I
> think it was around $135... then I said "wait a minute - I can get a
> CS-50 for less than $500!!!". And I proceeded to do just that. Nice
> fully functional CS-50 for $485, hope many years go by before I have
> to cannibalize it. Not sure what that's worth now - it was less than
> two years ago when I got it - but I reckon a bunch more than $500.
> I estimated at the time there were around $1300 worth of parts in
> there.

Well, I guess he means I've been working on discrete equivalents for
years. Robert Rich has my rework of the VCO sone as a module; he wants
more of them, so I guess it at least works. The filters I already did.
The VCA is on the charts. The EGs are at least soldered prototypes.

But its is the control system I really want to remake. The key
assigner, glide/protamento logic, and so on. I made a schematic of what
I'd do some years back, and it will change a bit, but it is all
essentially in there. The key assigner is not easily remade as it is a
ternary encoder, using both the +8.5v to 0v and 0v to -6.5v transistions
for the octave and note select. Then there is all that synchronous
clocking of registers they used in random logic to operate the many
analog switches to reduce key velocity/AT to the eight voices. Its the
way they built things back then that simply will never be repeated that
I have to faithfully recapture. I mean, no one is going to put over 200
VCAs in a production synthesizer ever again--the CS80 and the Electone
series in general will be a big chapter in my book, "Why They Built
Things the Way They Did, and Why They Will Never Build Them That Way
Again." ;)

JH is interested in the VCA, so maybe I will get remotivated...

Scott
/**/

JH. wrote:

>> Now that Juergen has one i feel a lot better about the future of the beast,
>> i know he will think of something clever..
>>
>> What do you say juergen?? :)
>>
>
> That Scott Rider is the CS-80 man. :)
>
> JH.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Humorous!

The real situation is a worse indignity - CS-50 lives on the floor in
a closet in my parent's basement. I don't have room for it. I play
it a couple times a year when I'm there. A good way to experiment
with the CS audio architecture, without relying on the 80's voice
layering. Faster keyboard action and mono aftertouch can also be fun
to play with - on balance poly aftertouch is superior of course.

Biggest downfall to me is only four note polyphony - I hate that.
I'd rather have an 8 voice CS-50 than a 4 voice CS-80.

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Synth80s" <synth80s@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know why, but this cannibalism thread triggers a funny,
Monty
> Python-esque image in my head, somewhat like the "we've come for
your
> liver" scene.
>
> Imagine you have your superstar CS-80 and his trusty sidekick, CS-
50.
> CS-80 is the center of the studio, awash in spotlights and
adoration;
> CS-50 sites over on some 3-tier synth rack squeezed between a Kawai
and
> a Crumar (oh, the indignity). Any time the CS-80 shows any
indication
> of being sick, CS-50 gets *really* nervous because he knows he's
going
> to be harvested for parts. One day, you have to break the bad
news...
>
> "Sorry, little buddy. CS-80, the quarterback of the synth team,
isn't
> doing well and needs to 'borrow' some of your parts" (knowing it's a
> lie, you have to look away when you use the word 'borrow'). "I'm
sure
> you understand. Thanks for being a team player. Goodbye, now..."
>
> I feel bad for the victims of synth cannibalism, but theirs is a
noble
> cause! ;)
>
> -Synth80s
>
>
> > This has been discussed in these threads before. The solution is
> > clearly hoping for discrete replacements, and cannibalizing 60s
and
> > 80s in the meantime (a practice by the way which, over the next
let's
> > say 15 years can drastically reduce the market for new
replacements
> > be they discrete or ICs). I myself bought one of Rob's KCB
boards, I
> > think it was around $135... then I said "wait a minute - I can
get a
> > CS-50 for less than $500!!!". And I proceeded to do just that.
Nice
> > fully functional CS-50 for $485, hope many years go by before I
have
> > to cannibalize it. Not sure what that's worth now - it was less
than
> > two years ago when I got it - but I reckon a bunch more than
$500.
> > I estimated at the time there were around $1300 worth of parts in
> > there.
>

I still love my CS-50. It's a totally different intrument, compared to the
CS-80.
You're spot-on about the keyboard action and aftertouch.
An "ideal" instrument would have polyphonic AT, but as sensitive as the
'50's,
and a keyboard action like a Wurlitzer (The '80 is more like a Rhodes).

The 50's limited polyphoni makes it more of o solo instrument.

If the CS-80 is my piano, then the CS-50 is my violin.

JH.

>The real situation is a worse indignity - CS-50 lives on the floor in
>a closet in my parent's basement. I don't have room for it. I play
>it a couple times a year when I'm there. A good way to experiment
>with the CS audio architecture, without relying on the 80's voice
>layering. Faster keyboard action and mono aftertouch can also be fun
>to play with - on balance poly aftertouch is superior of course.
>
>Biggest downfall to me is only four note polyphony - I hate that.
>I'd rather have an 8 voice CS-50 than a 4 voice CS-80.

The current generation of musicians plays the technology as much as
the keyboard (programming, etc.). And even myself with the older
synths, I'm not a trained keyboardist so my creativity is on the
control panel more than on the keyboard.

The CS-80 is perhaps the one synth more than any other designed for
trained keyboardists, which most were back in that era I reckon.
This is with the weighted keyboard, poly velocity & aftertouch, all
the performance controls. Not to imply I'm telling you something you
don't already know here.

But as a non trained keyboardist, the weighted keys don't do all that
much for me personally. Actually, the CS-50's key action to me is
superior to any other Pratt/Read type synth. Something about it,
it's a wonderful feel.

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "JH." <jhaible@...> wrote:
>
> I still love my CS-50. It's a totally different intrument, compared
to the
> CS-80.
> You're spot-on about the keyboard action and aftertouch.
> An "ideal" instrument would have polyphonic AT, but as sensitive as
the
> '50's,
> and a keyboard action like a Wurlitzer (The '80 is more like a
Rhodes).
>
> The 50's limited polyphoni makes it more of o solo instrument.
>
> If the CS-80 is my piano, then the CS-50 is my violin.
>
> JH.
>
> >The real situation is a worse indignity - CS-50 lives on the floor
in
> >a closet in my parent's basement. I don't have room for it. I
play
> >it a couple times a year when I'm there. A good way to experiment
> >with the CS audio architecture, without relying on the 80's voice
> >layering. Faster keyboard action and mono aftertouch can also be
fun
> >to play with - on balance poly aftertouch is superior of course.
> >
> >Biggest downfall to me is only four note polyphony - I hate that.
> >I'd rather have an 8 voice CS-50 than a 4 voice CS-80.
>