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Just uploaded tuning test-tone files

2008-02-23 by David Rogoff

Hi all.

After my last CS80 tuning (and with a few more coming up), I thought
of a way to make tuning the beast easier and faster and not even
require test equipment (although that makes it a little easier). The
tuning procedure requires one to tune the highest A in the highest
octave (2-foot) range and then the lowest A in all four octave ranges.
I just created mp3 files of sine waves for each of these five
frequencies using SoundForge.

The files are in the Files section (duh...) under folder "Tuning
tones"
(http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/Tuning%20tones)
Just play the files in repeat mode on your favorite device. If you
have a good ear (and wide-range speakers/headphones) you can do the
tuning completely by ear, just using beats. It's a little easier,
especially on the highest and lowest frequencies, to use a cheap
oscilloscope. See my post from a couple of months ago
(http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/1452) for the
details.

Please let me know if this is works well for you.

David

Tuning a CS80 with a cell phone - Re: Just uploaded tuning test-tone files

2008-03-09 by David Rogoff

Ok, I'm pretty sure that I'm the first person to ever tune a CS80
using a cell phone! I tuned one this afternoon using the mp3 files I
created. I popped them on the SD card in my Treo, set a file to
repeat, and tuned the Yamaha against the nice, stable sine wave.
Worked like a charm.

Tomorrow I'm installing a Kenton MIDI kit in a different CS80. To make
the install a bit cleaner, and reduce people's horror at me drilling
into the front panel, I'm going to mount the switches and MIDI jacks
inside the power-cord compartment. No mods to the outside of the keyboard!

David

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--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> After my last CS80 tuning (and with a few more coming up), I thought
> of a way to make tuning the beast easier and faster and not even
> require test equipment (although that makes it a little easier). The
> tuning procedure requires one to tune the highest A in the highest
> octave (2-foot) range and then the lowest A in all four octave ranges.
> I just created mp3 files of sine waves for each of these five
> frequencies using SoundForge.
>
> The files are in the Files section (duh...) under folder "Tuning
> tones"
> (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/Tuning%20tones)
> Just play the files in repeat mode on your favorite device. If you
> have a good ear (and wide-range speakers/headphones) you can do the
> tuning completely by ear, just using beats. It's a little easier,
> especially on the highest and lowest frequencies, to use a cheap
> oscilloscope. See my post from a couple of months ago
> (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/1452) for the
> details.
>
> Please let me know if this is works well for you.
>
> David
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Tuning a CS80 with a cell phone - Re: Just uploaded tuning test-tone files

2008-03-10 by Tommy Priakos

I know it seems the midi ports will be in a somewhat difficult to access position, but I would take unspoiled-cosmetic-appearance over violated-original-look any day! My midi ports are in the back next to the hi/low switch, and they look like they were always there, but the red button on the top of the panel makes me kick myself everytime I see it. Wish I had known about this forum before I installed the kit.
Good idea David, take a picture when you've done the job!

Tommy

David Rogoff <david@...> wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty sure that I'm the first person to ever tune a CS80
using a cell phone! I tuned one this afternoon using the mp3 files I
created. I popped them on the SD card in my Treo, set a file to
repeat, and tuned the Yamaha against the nice, stable sine wave.
Worked like a charm.

Tomorrow I'm installing a Kenton MIDI kit in a different CS80. To make
the install a bit cleaner, and reduce people's horror at me drilling
into the front panel, I'm going to mount the switches and MIDI jacks
inside the power-cord compartment. No mods to the outside of the keyboard!

David

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--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> After my last CS80 tuning (and with a few more coming up), I thought
> of a way to make tuning the beast easier and faster and not even
> require test equipment (although that makes it a little easier). The
> tuning procedure requires one to tune the highest A in the highest
> octave (2-foot) range and then the lowest A in all four octave ranges.
> I just created mp3 files of sine waves for each of these five
> frequencies using SoundForge.
>
> The files are in the Files section (duh...) under folder "Tuning
> tones"
> (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/Tuning%20tones)
> Just play the files in repeat mode on your favorite device. If you
> have a good ear (and wide-range speakers/headphones) you can do the
> tuning completely by ear, just using beats. It's a little easier,
> especially on the highest and lowest frequencies, to use a cheap
> oscilloscope. See my post from a couple of months ago
> (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/message/1452) for the
> details.
>
> Please let me know if this is works well for you.
>
> David
>

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Kenton MIDI install

2008-03-10 by David Rogoff

Good timing - I just finished mounting the switches and jacks and took
pictures. I put them in the folder "Kenton Switches and MIDI". Have a
look!

David

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--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Priakos <tpriakos@...> wrote:
>
> I know it seems the midi ports will be in a somewhat difficult to
access position, but I would take unspoiled-cosmetic-appearance over
violated-original-look any day! My midi ports are in the back next to
the hi/low switch, and they look like they were always there, but the
red button on the top of the panel makes me kick myself everytime I
see it. Wish I had known about this forum before I installed the kit.
> Good idea David, take a picture when you've done the job!
>
> Tommy
>
>
> David Rogoff <david@...> wrote:
> Tomorrow I'm installing a Kenton MIDI kit in a different CS80. To make
> the install a bit cleaner, and reduce people's horror at me drilling
> into the front panel, I'm going to mount the switches and MIDI jacks
> inside the power-cord compartment. No mods to the outside of the
keyboard!

Re: Kenton MIDI install

2008-03-10 by Rick

well done!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@...> wrote:
>
> Good timing - I just finished mounting the switches and jacks and took
> pictures. I put them in the folder "Kenton Switches and MIDI". Have a
> look!
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Kenton MIDI install

2008-03-10 by rj krohn

nice job david! looks great. perfect place for it, too.

David Rogoff <david@...> wrote: Good timing - I just finished mounting the switches and jacks and took
pictures. I put them in the folder "Kenton Switches and MIDI". Have a
look!

David

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--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Priakos <tpriakos@...> wrote:
>
> I know it seems the midi ports will be in a somewhat difficult to
access position, but I would take unspoiled-cosmetic-appearance over
violated-original-look any day! My midi ports are in the back next to
the hi/low switch, and they look like they were always there, but the
red button on the top of the panel makes me kick myself everytime I
see it. Wish I had known about this forum before I installed the kit.
> Good idea David, take a picture when you've done the job!
>
> Tommy
>
>
> David Rogoff <david@...> wrote:
> Tomorrow I'm installing a Kenton MIDI kit in a different CS80. To make
> the install a bit cleaner, and reduce people's horror at me drilling
> into the front panel, I'm going to mount the switches and MIDI jacks
> inside the power-cord compartment. No mods to the outside of the
keyboard!

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Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Kenton MIDI install

2008-03-10 by OH

hi rick
just out of curiosity.
are you still interested in the kit?
best
olli

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From: Rick
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:04 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Kenton MIDI install

well done!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@...> wrote:
>
> Good timing - I just finished mounting the switches and jacks and took
> pictures. I put them in the folder "Kenton Switches and MIDI". Have a
> look!
>

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Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Kenton MIDI install

2008-03-10 by OH

sorry
that was meant to be private...

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From: OH
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Kenton MIDI install

hi rick
just out of curiosity.
are you still interested in the kit?
best
olli

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From: Rick
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:04 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: Kenton MIDI install

well done!

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@...> wrote:
>
> Good timing - I just finished mounting the switches and jacks and took
> pictures. I put them in the folder "Kenton Switches and MIDI". Have a
> look!
>

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Wow, that wasn't so hard.

2008-03-11 by Scott Metzger

Well I finally grew balls and tried to tune my CS80 by myself.

I picked up this software:

http://www.katsurashareware.com/strobe/strobeau.html

That strobe tuner is a must have, but it is really hard to get an accurate display at step 16 on A4. I think I have it right, I would listen for beats, and it would be a very very slow pulse at step 16.

Also I noticed that on Some voice cards, if I moved my hand away from them after tuning, they would be sharp of flat. It must have to do with my hands being magnetic or something I have no clue. Anyways, I over compensated a bit, and it turned out great.

Also, my VCF doesn't hang on aftertouch anymore. I am not sure if a wire was kinked, or something.. But I closed it, and everything works great. (But I still would love to have some extra parts just in case.)

I want to thank David, and everyone else in the cs80 group.

Thanks!

-Scott

Re: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

2008-03-11 by Wavecomputer360

Sounds like doing the Theremin bit on a CS80 voice board :-)... which doesn´t actually make the tuning process nicer, though.

Stephen

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From: Scott Metzger
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:17 AM
Subject: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

Well I finally grew balls and tried to tune my CS80 by myself.

I picked up this software:

http://www.katsurashareware.com/strobe/strobeau.html

That strobe tuner is a must have, but it is really hard to get an accurate display at step 16 on A4. I think I have it right, I would listen for beats, and it would be a very very slow pulse at step 16.

Also I noticed that on Some voice cards, if I moved my hand away from them after tuning, they would be sharp of flat. It must have to do with my hands being magnetic or something I have no clue. Anyways, I over compensated a bit, and it turned out great.

Also, my VCF doesn't hang on aftertouch anymore. I am not sure if a wire was kinked, or something.. But I closed it, and everything works great. (But I still would love to have some extra parts just in case.)

I want to thank David, and everyone else in the cs80 group.

Thanks!

-Scott

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Re: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

2008-03-11 by rj krohn

great, glad the katsura tuner worked out well for you. one thing to note on it: next time you use it, make sure that your compupter AND the katsura prefs are set to "line input" under sound. if its set to "mic input", it will work, but the mic tracking is alot worse than the line input, so the readout is not nearly as clear as with the line input.

also, you should not be seeing any change in pitch after moving your hand. you are usiing a plastic tuning tool, right? as im just paranoid, i wear my static bracelet while tuning, even though i dont touch the cards at all.

Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote:
Well I finally grew balls and tried to tune my CS80 by myself.

I picked up this software:

http://www.katsurashareware.com/strobe/strobeau.html

That strobe tuner is a must have, but it is really hard to get an accurate display at step 16 on A4. I think I have it right, I would listen for beats, and it would be a very very slow pulse at step 16.

Also I noticed that on Some voice cards, if I moved my hand away from them after tuning, they would be sharp of flat. It must have to do with my hands being magnetic or something I have no clue. Anyways, I over compensated a bit, and it turned out great.

Also, my VCF doesn't hang on aftertouch anymore. I am not sure if a wire was kinked, or something.. But I closed it, and everything works great. (But I still would love to have some extra parts just in case.)

I want to thank David, and everyone else in the cs80 group.

Thanks!

-Scott

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RE: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

2008-03-11 by Scott Metzger

Yeah, I am using a TV tuner ESD, plastic kit for tuning it, and I have the anti static guard wrist wrap. I was still seeing the tuning off with my hand being close to the voice cards. I must have too much iron in my blood or something.

I had the strobe tuner at default settings. I will double check to see what the prefs said, but how do you guys get the highest step to show up in that tuner? It is so hard with the highest pitch. I might want to try it again. I kind of ignored the Step 2 A4, but everything does sound great on it.

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: r_j_d_2.phila@...
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:43:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

great, glad the katsura tuner worked out well for you. one thing to note on it: next time you use it, make sure that your compupter AND the katsura prefs are set to "line input" under sound. if its set to "mic input", it will work, but the mic tracking is alot worse than the line input, so the readout is not nearly as clear as with the line input.

also, you should not be seeing any change in pitch after moving your hand. you are usiing a plastic tuning tool, right? as im just paranoid, i wear my static bracelet while tuning, even though i dont touch the cards at all.

Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote:

Well I finally grew balls and tried to tune my CS80 by myself.

I picked up this software:

http://www.katsurashareware.com/strobe/strobeau.html

That strobe tuner is a must have, but it is really hard to get an accurate display at step 16 on A4. I think I have it right, I would listen for beats, and it would be a very very slow pulse at step 16.

Also I noticed that on Some voice cards, if I moved my hand away from them after tuning, they would be sharp of flat. It must have to do with my hands being magnetic or something I have no clue. Anyways, I over compensated a bit, and it turned out great.

Also, my VCF doesn't hang on aftertouch anymore. I am not sure if a wire was kinked, or something.. But I closed it, and everything works great. (But I still would love to have some extra parts just in case.)

I want to thank David, and everyone else in the cs80 group.

Thanks!

-Scott

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RE: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

2008-03-11 by rj krohn

when you say highest step, do you mean the scaling of 2'? IIRC, the 1st 2 steps in the manual are the scaling of the manual, and tuning of 2'. these 2 i need to do a few times to get right.

there are times when you cant rely on a tuner, and going by "beats" is better. ears over eyes, at the end of the day, but when the tuner is spot on to your ears, it sure makes it easy.

Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote: Yeah, I am using a TV tuner ESD, plastic kit for tuning it, and I have the anti static guard wrist wrap. I was still seeing the tuning off with my hand being close to the voice cards. I must have too much iron in my blood or something.

I had the strobe tuner at default settings. I will double check to see what the prefs said, but how do you guys get the highest step to show up in that tuner? It is so hard with the highest pitch. I might want to try it again. I kind of ignored the Step 2 A4, but everything does sound great on it.

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: r_j_d_2.phila@...
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:43:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

great, glad the katsura tuner worked out well for you. one thing to note on it: next time you use it, make sure that your compupter AND the katsura prefs are set to "line input" under sound. if its set to "mic input", it will work, but the mic tracking is alot worse than the line input, so the readout is not nearly as clear as with the line input.

also, you should not be seeing any change in pitch after moving your hand. you are usiing a plastic tuning tool, right? as im just paranoid, i wear my static bracelet while tuning, even though i dont touch the cards at all.

Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote:

Well I finally grew balls and tried to tune my CS80 by myself.

I picked up this software:

http://www.katsurashareware.com/strobe/strobeau.html

That strobe tuner is a must have, but it is really hard to get an accurate display at step 16 on A4. I think I have it right, I would listen for beats, and it would be a very very slow pulse at step 16.

Also I noticed that on Some voice cards, if I moved my hand away from them after tuning, they would be sharp of flat. It must have to do with my hands being magnetic or something I have no clue. Anyways, I over compensated a bit, and it turned out great.

Also, my VCF doesn't hang on aftertouch anymore. I am not sure if a wire was kinked, or something.. But I closed it, and everything works great. (But I still would love to have some extra parts just in case.)

I want to thank David, and everyone else in the cs80 group.

Thanks!

-Scott

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RE: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

2008-03-11 by Scott Metzger

Yeah, when you go to tune Step 2 on A4. It is very hard, the strobe tuner doesn't pick it up, and even tuning to the beats is hard on that setting. I kinda just wing it. Same goes for Step 16.

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
From: r_j_d_2.phila@...
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:24:42 -0700
Subject: RE: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

when you say highest step, do you mean the scaling of 2'? IIRC, the 1st 2 steps in the manual are the scaling of the manual, and tuning of 2'. these 2 i need to do a few times to get right.

there are times when you cant rely on a tuner, and going by "beats" is better. ears over eyes, at the end of the day, but when the tuner is spot on to your ears, it sure makes it easy.

Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote: Yeah, I am using a TV tuner ESD, plastic kit for tuning it, and I have the anti static guard wrist wrap. I was still seeing the tuning off with my hand being close to the voice cards. I must have too much iron in my blood or something.

I had the strobe tuner at default settings. I will double check to see what the prefs said, but how do you guys get the highest step to show up in that tuner? It is so hard with the highest pitch. I might want to try it again. I kind of ignored the Step 2 A4, but everything does sound great on it.

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com

From: r_j_d_2.phila@...

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:43:07 -0700

Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Wow, that wasn't so hard.

great, glad the katsura tuner worked out well for you. one thing to note on it: next time you use it, make sure that your compupter AND the katsura prefs are set to "line input" under sound. if its set to "mic input", it will work, but the mic tracking is alot worse than the line input, so the readout is not nearly as clear as with the line input.

also, you should not be seeing any change in pitch after moving your hand. you are usiing a plastic tuning tool, right? as im just paranoid, i wear my static bracelet while tuning, even though i dont touch the cards at all.

Scott Metzger <scottmetzger3d@...> wrote:

Well I finally grew balls and tried to tune my CS80 by myself.

I picked up this software:

http://www.katsurashareware.com/strobe/strobeau.html

That strobe tuner is a must have, but it is really hard to get an accurate display at step 16 on A4. I think I have it right, I would listen for beats, and it would be a very very slow pulse at step 16.

Also I noticed that on Some voice cards, if I moved my hand away from them after tuning, they would be sharp of flat. It must have to do with my hands being magnetic or something I have no clue. Anyways, I over compensated a bit, and it turned out great.

Also, my VCF doesn't hang on aftertouch anymore. I am not sure if a wire was kinked, or something.. But I closed it, and everything works great. (But I still would love to have some extra parts just in case.)

I want to thank David, and everyone else in the cs80 group.

Thanks!

-Scott

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