Yamaha CS80

Here's a couple that should be of interest to the group:

Here's a CS-80 for sale in Chicago:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758921461

Here's a Roland A-50 (76-key, semi-weighted MIDI controller with
Poly-aftertouch!). Just the keyboard to drive CS80V software or a
CS-80 with the Kenton MIDI in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758550345

I don't know anything about the particular units or the sellers!!

David

When it rains, it pours - here's a couple more goodies (again, I have
no connection to the sellers or know anything about the particular
units for sale):

SY-1: Mono-synth with same VCO/VCFs as the GX-1. According to
Synthmuseum (http://www.synthmuseum.com/yamaha/yamsy101.html), this is
Yamaha's first synthesizer!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3758634976

CS-50: Don't have the cash or biceps for a CS-80:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759287654

If anyone on in the group buys one of these, let us know (and put it
in the database)!

David

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:
>
> Here's a couple that should be of interest to the group:
>
> Here's a CS-80 for sale in Chicago:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758921461
>
> Here's a Roland A-50 (76-key, semi-weighted MIDI controller with
> Poly-aftertouch!). Just the keyboard to drive CS80V software or a
> CS-80 with the Kenton MIDI in.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758550345
>
> I don't know anything about the particular units or the sellers!!
>
> David

This is crazy: another SY-1 closing today:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3758266938
I'm tempted to go for this one and bolt it to the top of my CS-80 to
build a semi-GX-1.

And here's the starship Enterprise GX-1 cousing, the EX-2, going
pretty cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759677087
I don't think I could hide this in the house without my wife noticing.

David

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:
>
> When it rains, it pours - here's a couple more goodies (again, I have
> no connection to the sellers or know anything about the particular
> units for sale):
>
> SY-1: Mono-synth with same VCO/VCFs as the GX-1. According to
> Synthmuseum (http://www.synthmuseum.com/yamaha/yamsy101.html), this is
> Yamaha's first synthesizer!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3758634976
>
> CS-50: Don't have the cash or biceps for a CS-80:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759287654
>
> If anyone on in the group buys one of these, let us know (and put it
> in the database)!
>
> David
>
>
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:


> >
> > Here's a couple that should be of interest to the group:
> >
> > Here's a CS-80 for sale in Chicago:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758921461
> >
> > Here's a Roland A-50 (76-key, semi-weighted MIDI controller with
> > Poly-aftertouch!). Just the keyboard to drive CS80V software or a
> > CS-80 with the Kenton MIDI in.
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758550345
> >
> > I don't know anything about the particular units or the sellers!!
> >
> > David

Hey David,

:: And here's the starship Enterprise GX-1 cousing, the EX-2,
:: going pretty cheap!
:: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759677087
:: I don't think I could hide this in the house without my wife
:: noticing.

More importantly, I don't think you could stuff this into the back of
your car like we did with the CS! ;)

-Bradley

I have one of these, too. I had to recently move it out of my house and
into a rental truck, then drive it to Chicago and unload it into storage a
month and a half ago. It is _incredibly_ heavy, pretty much like lifting
two CS-80s at once. The tone cabinet is even worse. I might mention it
is possible to move the thing with two people if you use an appliance
dolly. At first it looks like there is no way to use the dolly, but with
a bit of clever strapping it is really not that bad. Moving it without
anything wheeled takes at least 5 people.

I should note that the EX-2 (and EX-1) use digital wavetable oscillators
for their pulse, saw and sine tones. There are Yamaha IG00155 (close
relative of the IG00156) filter pairs and the EGs are, while not voltage
controlled, very similar in function to the GX/CS EGs slopes. There are
two oscillators per voice with detuning (celeste) and octave stops, and 7
voices per manual for the "orchestra" section (pedalboard gets 1 voice as
well). The flutes are 11 voices per manual though if I recall there is a
limit to how many upper and lower manual notes can be keyed together.

Leslie and chorus are done by the tone cabinet, which is a big, booming
thing that certainly lets one feel the 32' pedal stop. You can connect
two cabinets, and it has the socket needed for a real Leslie-branded
cabinet.

Eventually, I'll have it moved into my new house and set up to play
again.

Crow
/**/

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, David Rogoff wrote:

> And here's the starship Enterprise GX-1 cousin, the EX-2, going pretty
> cheap! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759677087 I
> don't think I could hide this in the house without my wife noticing.
>
> David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Rogoff

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:29 AM

Subject: [yamahacs80] Auctions of interest:

Here's a couple that should be of interest to the group:

Here's a CS-80 for sale in Chicago:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758921461

Here's a Roland A-50 (76-key, semi-weighted MIDI controller with
Poly-aftertouch!).  Just the keyboard to drive CS80V software or a
CS-80 with the Kenton MIDI in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758550345

I don't know anything about the particular units or the sellers!!

David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Rogoff

To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:29 AM

Subject: [yamahacs80] Auctions of interest:

Here's a couple that should be of interest to the group:

Here's a CS-80 for sale in Chicago:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758921461

Here's a Roland A-50 (76-key, semi-weighted MIDI controller with
Poly-aftertouch!).  Just the keyboard to drive CS80V software or a
CS-80 with the Kenton MIDI in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3758550345

I don't know anything about the particular units or the sellers!!

David

Let's start peppering this jackass with questions, ask for more pics,
technical details, etc. Might as well have a side order of fun with our
fraud.

-Synth80s

:: I think this is the same guy who tried to rip me off once
:: before... Rory McDonald OLDSYNTHS Moderator

Hi Everybody...
I bought it (the legit one, not the fraud). When I saw a CS80
locally here in Chi, I had to go see it 'cause of their reputation as
being the bee's knees. Wasn't planning to buy but... it was in
perfect condition, that one photo shows some scuffs on the bottom but
everything else is intact and super. There's nothing about playing
it that reminds you it's old. Doesn't need tuning to my ears. When
you see something like that locally with all accessories, and yes the
sound is unbelievable... I had to make a move.
When I went to go see it Monday, the guy actually offered to sell it
for $2k outside of auction, but couldn't reach his buddy who's eBay
account he was using. I spent the next 24 hours in a panic before he
confirmed I'd have to go through the auction. Oh well, he deserves
it. Lives in a trailer park = consequence of having paid $6000 1981
USD. See photos on auction page, hopefully he can replace that
linoleum floor with the $$$.
DF

All - I'm pretty steamed here - so far as I can tell, me (the legit
buyer), the seller, and somebody from this group informed eBay of
the fraud taking place. Yet, at least 24 hours later in all cases,
the auction IS STILL THERE. While only at $122, no telling what
happens by the end. I can't even find a cust service # on the
5,000 pages of help drivel to call somebody there to b!tch about it.
On a recent parallel situation with a Mellotron (legit then fraud
auctions), some guy that I have anecdotal evidence is for real just
lost some ~$1500 on this type of fraud. Whether he was beyond
naive or worse to do something like that is beyond the point. I
can only conclude eBay is really at fault here for not lifting the
auction after more than ample warning. Some guy in Finland sending
$$$ to London doesn't have much recourse against the host. I guess
that's why these things proliferate like emails to renew your
personal information with Citibank.
DF

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Synth80s" <synth80s@s...> wrote:
> Let's start peppering this jackass with questions, ask for more
pics,
> technical details, etc. Might as well have a side order of fun
with our
> fraud.
>
> -Synth80s
>
> :: I think this is the same guy who tried to rip me off once
> :: before... Rory McDonald OLDSYNTHS Moderator

I'm not usually one to advocate "vigilante justice," but this is the
time for someone to signup for a new eBay account and bid this thing up
to $100,000 or (insert ridiculous sum here). I've seen it done before
and it seems to gain eBay's attention. ;)

I'm getting less trusting of the eBay-PayPal juggernaut. Though I'm
sure they do expend a lot of resources on fraud prevention and
enforcement, the problem is getting worse and the company has not
reacted in kind. IMO, eBay is interested in keeping the level of fraud
low enough that it doesn't deter the average person from using their
site, but nothing more. eBay is also working diligently to distance
themselves from being considered an online auction, instead trying to
characterize themselves as a marketplace that brings together third
parties. Legally, it could spell the difference between vicarious
liability for fraud and exemption under provisions of the DMCA (the same
protection from liability that ISPs currently enjoy). eBay's fighting
this very issue out in a federal appeals court right now while PayPal is
settling an ugly class action suit for their heavy-handed approach to
fraud management.

Anyhow, sorry for the rant. I don't yet think that eBay fraud is of
epidemic proportions (you have to think that 99%+ of eBay's daily
transactions are valid), but I'm also untrusting of a company who
singularly controls the information, the communications mechanism and
the financial transaction engine (which, unlike a bank or credit card
company, is unregulated, BTW). When something goes wrong, who does one
appeal to? Not yet a defined monopoly, but damn close in reality and
acting more like one every day -- read PayPal's terms of service if
you're ever in doubt.

-Synth80s (who still uses eBay and PayPal, albeit carefully)

:: All - I'm pretty steamed here - so far as I can tell, me
:: (the legit buyer), the seller, and somebody from this group
:: informed eBay of the fraud taking place. Yet, at least 24
:: hours later in all cases, the auction IS STILL THERE. While
:: only at $122, no telling what
:: happens by the end. I can't even find a cust service # on the
:: 5,000 pages of help drivel to call somebody there to b!tch
:: about it. On a recent parallel situation with a Mellotron
:: (legit then fraud auctions), some guy that I have anecdotal
:: evidence is for real just lost some ~$1500 on this type of
:: fraud. Whether he was beyond naive or worse to do something
:: like that is beyond the point. I
:: can only conclude eBay is really at fault here for not
:: lifting the auction after more than ample warning. Some guy
:: in Finland sending $$$ to London doesn't have much recourse
:: against the host. I guess that's why these things
:: proliferate like emails to renew your
:: personal information with Citibank.
:: DF

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:

>
> When it rains, it pours - here's a couple more goodies (again, I have
> no connection to the sellers or know anything about the particular
> units for sale):

> CS-50: Don't have the cash or biceps for a CS-80:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759287654

This one is relisted here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3763719819

Last time it ended at $355, which didn't meet the reserve. Don't know
if it's lower this time around.

Question for the tech experts: are the M, KAS, and other boards
exactly the same in the CS50/60/80? I'd think that the only
difference would be some jumper on the KAS to tell it it's only
4-voice. I guess it comes down to, is a CS-50 a good spare parts kit
for an '80?

David

Other than a few resistor values changes on the M boards, there are the
same. The SH and KAS boards will be missing half their parts (4vc vs.
8vc) on the CS-50, but those parts can be installed easily enough. The
KAS board gets the number of notes to assign from pull-down resistors on
the K1~K8 pins. The CS-50 & 60 do not have things like the TKC/TKB
boards, of course.

I bought my CS-50 for the very reason you state: CS-80 spare parts.
But after fixing the damage inflicted on it by UPS, I decided it was
interesting enough to keep and let live its own life.

Crow
/**/

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, David Rogoff wrote:

> Question for the tech experts: are the M, KAS, and other boards
> exactly the same in the CS50/60/80? I'd think that the only
> difference would be some jumper on the KAS to tell it it's only
> 4-voice. I guess it comes down to, is a CS-50 a good spare parts kit
> for an '80?
>
> David

And another one: this one's a CS-60 in Minnesota.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3764887958

As usual, I have no connection to the sellers or know anything about
the particular units for sale.

If someone in the group buys it, let us know!

David

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:
>
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:
> >
> > When it rains, it pours - here's a couple more goodies (again, I have
> > no connection to the sellers or know anything about the particular
> > units for sale):
>
> > CS-50: Don't have the cash or biceps for a CS-80:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759287654
>
> This one is relisted here:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3763719819
>
> Last time it ended at $355, which didn't meet the reserve. Don't know
> if it's lower this time around.
>
> Question for the tech experts: are the M, KAS, and other boards
> exactly the same in the CS50/60/80? I'd think that the only
> difference would be some jumper on the KAS to tell it it's only
> 4-voice. I guess it comes down to, is a CS-50 a good spare parts kit
> for an '80?
>
> David

Hi all!

It's been a while, but here's some CS synths that are for sale. As
always, I have no connection to the sellers or know anything about the
particular units for sale:

CS-60 that needs work. Located in Portland (I assume Oregon):
http://portland.craigslist.org/msg/55979456.html

CS-60 in very good shape. Located in Agoura Hills (near Los Angeles):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3776828970

CS series expression/volume/filter pedal. Weird - second one for sale
in a couple of weeks (I won the last one!!!):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3776642825

SY-1 service manual!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3776750138

If anyone picks these up, please let the group know and put your new
keyboard in the Database!

David

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:
>
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:
> >
> > When it rains, it pours - here's a couple more goodies (again, I have
> > no connection to the sellers or know anything about the particular
> > units for sale):
>
> > CS-50: Don't have the cash or biceps for a CS-80:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3759287654
>
> This one is relisted here:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3763719819
>
> Last time it ended at $355, which didn't meet the reserve. Don't know
> if it's lower this time around.
>
> Question for the tech experts: are the M, KAS, and other boards
> exactly the same in the CS50/60/80? I'd think that the only
> difference would be some jumper on the KAS to tell it it's only
> 4-voice. I guess it comes down to, is a CS-50 a good spare parts kit
> for an '80?
>
> David