Xpantastic!

Best factory patches or not,- at the end of the day,- all matter of 
taste, isn�t it ?

Methinks, Tony is more or less right !

There were the times, factory patches just only demo�ed the 
functionality of a machine and were not done for "usage out of the box".
You�ll recognize investigating in� p.ex. Xpander/ M12 factory patches 
which lack assignment of sustain pedal and other global MIDI controllers 
p.ex..
At that time, a manufacturer expected a customer buying a 
user-programmable machine will exactly do that,-
Programming the machine for whatever purpose in mind.

I�m sayin� even I own a Wavestation SR, M1Rex, D-550 and a Kurzweil 
PC361,- which surpasses a Kurz K2x00 series feature- and sound-wise, 
except lack of sampling.
Now guess how many factory sounds I�ve ever used from Wavestation SR, 
M1Rex, D-550 or even the PC361 ...
Almost NONE !

And on my Oberheim Xpander, I never used any patch the way it came when 
I bought it new as 1st owner,- as also not the patches from factory 
volume #2 or the M12 factory stuff.
They were always some stuff being ideal for reverse engineering, edit to 
taste or create something new from,- but I never ever used �em like they 
were.
Who wants everyone owning the same machine(s) using the same sounds ?
Is that creativity,- or does that make a hit ?
Nope !

"... love for ethereal/pad/soundscape type patches..." is the same BS to 
me like blues guitarists tell me "all comes from feelin�".

In music (business), nothing comes from love or feeling ...
It all comes from hard work and (resulting) knowledge.

Good music comes from good composition and arrangement, tweaking the 
sounds to fit the tune.
Never ever was a piece of gear or a sound the most important part of a 
commercial successful tune/song.
There�s some recognition value existing related to some "signature" 
sounds,- but that�s all.
The success of a composition/arrangement never depended on a synth�s 
patch,- vintage synth or not.
It�s all replacable,- except the idea, composition and arrangement.

P.


Am 04.02.2019 um 21:56 schrieb Omar Torres holografique@... 
[xpantastic]:
>
> Definitely NOT always the case. A few I can think of off the top of my 
> head that had (some, not all) great patches:
>
>
> Korg Wavestation AD/SR
> Korg M1
> Korg Prophecy / Z1
> Roland JD-990
> Roland D-50
> Roland D-70
> Roland XV-5080
> Roland V-Synth
> Kurzweil K2x00
>
> Mind you, my list is based on a love for ethereal/pad/soundscape type 
> patches. So YMMV...
>
> And god knows the countless software synths that have had some 
> incredible preset design work over the past decade or so.
>
> -o
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Tony Cappellini cappy2112@... 
> <mailto:cappy2112@...> [xpantastic] <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
>> >> �The Xpander/M-12 factory patches have to be some of the worst 
>> ever and are pretty embarrassing given the power of the synths.
>> Isn't that always the case? Are there any synths that you've owned 
>> that have very good factory patches?
>>