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Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-01-28 by Sven Braamkolk

Hello Magnus,

I've sent you the service manual of the 1601. Probably the only one for the 1611, 1612, 1613

Try it.
Good luck, Sven

From: magnusarnioder@...
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:26:24 +0000
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.


Hello,

I can not find the Arp 1613 Sequencer service manual on the web.

Does anyone have it on PDF and is willing to send it to me?

my email is: magnusarnioder@...

Thanks
Magnús

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-01-28 by Kevin Doheny

I could eventually (like in a few weeks). Presently all my manuals are in a box out in a storage unit, but I'll be locating the box in the next few weeks.
---Kevin

Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson wrote:
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Hello,

I can not find the Arp 1613 Sequencer service manual on the web.

Does anyone have it on PDF and is willing to send it to me?

my email is: magnusarnioder@...

Thanks
Magnús

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-01-28 by brian walker

Hi


http://retrosynthads.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/arp-model-1601-sequencer-extra-hand_16.html


Brian




On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, 12:38, Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson <magnusarnioder@...> wrote:

 
Hello,

I can not find the Arp 1613 Sequencer service manual on the web.

Does anyone have it on PDF and is willing to send it to me?

my email is: magnusarnioder@gmail.com

Thanks
Magnús

Re: Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-01-29 by Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson

Thank you all for your help!

We will start working on the sequencer by taking the 1601 service manual for all the models up to 1613.

We have just looked at the clock output and it is sending out something that looks more like needles than square waves.

Has anyone ever remedied something like this before?

Thanks
Magnús

Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-01-30 by plat@simnet.is

Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-01-30 by tim p

Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...

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To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-01-30 by Tom Russell

Power supply? Cold solder joints?




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 From: "plat@..." <plat@...>
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:32 AM
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.



 
Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-01-30 by Kevin Doheny

Hello Magnús,

I've got a 1623 (S/N 0005) sequencer. Although I wouldn't say my clock is sending out "needle" pulses, they're far from being square waves. The positive pulse only lasts a fraction of the cycle. It's just meant to step the sequencer. Why would you want or expect it to be more than a pulse?

As messages to and from the group seem to take a long time to get posted, if you want me to check out anything you're seeing against my 1623, feel free to contact me directly: kevin@...

---Kevin

Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson wrote:
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Thank you all for your help!

We will start working on the sequencer by taking the 1601 service manual for all the models up to 1613.

We have just looked at the clock output and it is sending out something that looks more like needles than square waves.

Has anyone ever remedied something like this before?

Thanks
Magnús

RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-01-31 by Lorne Hammond

those are trigger spikes? arp use triggers and gates and cv

Lorne

From: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson
Sent: January-29-14 5:41 AM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

Thank you all for your help!

We will start working on the sequencer by taking the 1601 service manual for all the models up to 1613.

We have just looked at the clock output and it is sending out something that looks more like needles than square waves.

Has anyone ever remedied something like this before?

Thanks

Magnús

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-01 by plat@simnet.is

I mean replaced , a new one installed.

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Efni: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.








Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...



From: plat@...
Sent: ‎30/‎01/‎2014 21:42
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.







Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-01 by plat@simnet.is

PSu measures as working.

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Efni: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.







Power supply? Cold solder joints?








From: "plat@..." <plat@...>
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:32 AM
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.








Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-01 by Lorne Hammond

A bad cpu is rarely the issue.  In the tr-909 the blame is often the cpu but the real cause is usually the caps/traces/switching transistors on the reset circuit, located back on the power board.

Some cpus have a circuit that protects them from switching on until they have a stable +5 v from the power supply, to prevent memory scrambles of what your saving.

You might want to check to see if the matrix cpu has a reset pin and trace that trace back to the power supply.  A transistor may be slow to fail, or a ground cap is a bit flaky and as they heat up something lifts internally or external to the component.  On the 909 traces are delicate and its easy to melt one that is hidden by the big capacitors  that it cuts across underneath, continuity trace catches if that is teh issue.  So teh circuit does what its supposed to when part of it fails

when the reset drops below 5V and it immediately switches the cpu off, which leaves the display hanging or blank  in mid-operation?

Just musing aloud not speaking from any matrix experience.



Lorne in Canada

rom: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim p
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Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.





Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...

  _____

From: plat@...
Sent: ‎30/‎01/‎2014 21:42
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.



Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-02 by plat@simnet.is

Thanks a lot, this gives me something to look for .

cheers
Arnar

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Sent: Laugardagur, 1. Febrúar, 2014 15:59:16
Efni: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.









A bad cpu is rarely the issue. In the tr-909 the blame is often the cpu but the real cause is usually the caps/traces/switching transistors on the reset circuit, located back on the power board.

Some cpus have a circuit that protects them from switching on until they have a stable +5 v from the power supply, to prevent memory scrambles of what your saving.



You might want to check to see if the matrix cpu has a reset pin and trace that trace back to the power supply. A transistor may be slow to fail, or a ground cap is a bit flaky and as they heat up something lifts internally or external to the component. On the 909 traces are delicate and its easy to melt one that is hidden by the big capacitors that it cuts across underneath, continuity trace catches if that is teh issue. So teh circuit does what its supposed to when part of it fails

when the reset drops below 5V and it immediately switches the cpu off, which leaves the display hanging or blank in mid-operation?

Just musing aloud not speaking from any matrix experience.



Lorne in Canada

rom: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim p
Sent: January-30-14 1:59 PM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.










Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...




From: plat@...
Sent: ‎30/‎01/‎2014 21:42
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.







Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-02-02 by boris dumery

Hi Magnus,

May this help? 

Not the same, but quite very close

http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/1601/


Boris from Belgium


________________________________
 De : Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson <magnusarnioder@gmail.com>
À : vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 28 janvier 2014 11h26
Objet : [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.



 
Hello,

I can not find the Arp 1613 Sequencer service manual on the web.

Does anyone have it on PDF and is willing to send it to me?

my email is: magnusarnioder@...

Thanks
Magnús

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-02-02 by boris dumery

Re-hi Magnus,

Following informations received from a staff member of Jean Michel JARRE the difference between 1613 and 1623 are just cosmetical and comercial as fort NIKKO's amplifiers   for exampla  NIKKO ALPHA440 and NIKKO ALPHA450  or NIkko ALPHA 220 and NIKKO ALPHA 230

http://dl.lojinx.com/analoghell/Arp1601Sequencer-ServiceManual.pdf


No Service Manual, interresting in anyway
http://home.comcast.net/~synthdoc/A/ARPSeqOwners.pdf

http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63077


HERE! they seems to have it. see in the list  as written, the User's Manual is the same for ARP1601/1613/1623;
http://www.markglinsky.com/ManualManor.html

http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63077

http://sonic.net/mjones/archive/docs/


JUST MY 
 CENTS

Boris from Belgium


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À : "vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com" <vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Dimanche 2 février 2014 16h00
Objet : Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.



Hi Magnus,

May this help? 

Not the same, but quite very close

http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/1601/


Boris from Belgium


________________________________
 De : Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson <magnusarnioder@...>
À : vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 28 janvier 2014 11h26
Objet : [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.



 
Hello,

I can not find the Arp 1613 Sequencer service manual on the web.

Does anyone have it on PDF and is willing to send it to me?

my email is: magnusarnioder@...

Thanks
Magnús

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-02 by Dennis Matana

Hi,

I would recommend to recap the power supply. The psu gives out -12, +12, +5, -5 and 5Vm (for memory coming from the battery) and 5VL. Make sure that you upgrade with higher voltages caps then the ones that are in there...Oberheim used 16v ones which is pretty close to the 12v lines they are on.
btw 5Vm is also connected to a 74C00 Nand gate (ic14) which is controlling the CS line of the 43256 eprom. I have seen these go bust...

Looking at the schematics the cpu does get a reset on pin 37. The signal coming in is called VPV but i cant seem to find that anywhere else on the schems...maybe trace down that track.

good luck in fixing it and keep us up to date, br Dennis
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2014-02-02 plat@simnet.is <plat@...>:

Thanks a lot, this gives me something to look for .

cheers
Arnar

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Til: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Laugardagur, 1. Febrúar, 2014 15:59:16
Efni: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

A bad cpu is rarely the issue. In the tr-909 the blame is often the cpu but the real cause is usually the caps/traces/switching transistors on the reset circuit, located back on the power board.

Some cpus have a circuit that protects them from switching on until they have a stable +5 v from the power supply, to prevent memory scrambles of what your saving.

You might want to check to see if the matrix cpu has a reset pin and trace that trace back to the power supply. A transistor may be slow to fail, or a ground cap is a bit flaky and as they heat up something lifts internally or external to the component. On the 909 traces are delicate and its easy to melt one that is hidden by the big capacitors that it cuts across underneath, continuity trace catches if that is teh issue. So teh circuit does what its supposed to when part of it fails

when the reset drops below 5V and it immediately switches the cpu off, which leaves the display hanging or blank in mid-operation?

Just musing aloud not speaking from any matrix experience.

Lorne in Canada

rom: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tim p
Sent: January-30-14 1:59 PM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...

From: plat@...
Sent: 30/01/2014 21:42
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar


Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-03 by Grant B

I had one where the giant CPU dip package actually had worked its way 
out of the socket.

GB

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-03 by plat@simnet.is

Hi, took your advice and recapped the PSU.

5vm measures as 4.27v and therefore pin 37/reset on the gets 4.27 ,all other voltages are spot on.

Funny enough as I put my meter on pin 4 and 5 on the 74c00 it will freeze until I remove the probes.
I am in the process of tracing the reset for the cpu and replacing the 74c00.

question , I could only get a 74 HC 00 , is that a suitable replacement ?

Thanks a lot Dennis!
Arnar.



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Sent: Sunnudagur, 2. Febrúar, 2014 15:52:54
Efni: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.







Hi, 


I would recommend to recap the power supply. The psu gives out -12, +12, +5, -5 and 5Vm (for memory coming from the battery) and 5VL. Make sure that you upgrade with higher voltages caps then the ones that are in there...Oberheim used 16v ones which is pretty close to the 12v lines they are on.
btw 5Vm is also connected to a 74C00 Nand gate (ic14) which is controlling the CS line of the 43256 eprom. I have seen these go bust...


Looking at the schematics the cpu does get a reset on pin 37. The signal coming in is called VPV but i cant seem to find that anywhere else on the schems...maybe trace down that track.


good luck in fixing it and keep us up to date, br Dennis



2014-02-02 plat@... < plat@... > :








Thanks a lot, this gives me something to look for .

cheers
Arnar

----- Upprunaleg skilaboð -----
Frá: "Lorne Hammond" < lhammond@... >
Til: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Laugardagur, 1. Febrúar, 2014 15:59:16
Efni: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

A bad cpu is rarely the issue. In the tr-909 the blame is often the cpu but the real cause is usually the caps/traces/switching transistors on the reset circuit, located back on the power board.

Some cpus have a circuit that protects them from switching on until they have a stable +5 v from the power supply, to prevent memory scrambles of what your saving.

You might want to check to see if the matrix cpu has a reset pin and trace that trace back to the power supply. A transistor may be slow to fail, or a ground cap is a bit flaky and as they heat up something lifts internally or external to the component. On the 909 traces are delicate and its easy to melt one that is hidden by the big capacitors that it cuts across underneath, continuity trace catches if that is teh issue. So teh circuit does what its supposed to when part of it fails

when the reset drops below 5V and it immediately switches the cpu off, which leaves the display hanging or blank in mid-operation?

Just musing aloud not speaking from any matrix experience.

Lorne in Canada

rom: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of tim p
Sent: January-30-14 1:59 PM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...

From: plat@simnet.is
Sent: 30/01/2014 21:42
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-03 by plat@simnet.is

hehe, If I wait for it to freeze like it always does then I can also UN-freeze it by putting the probes on 4 and 5 on the 74c00 !!

Weird stuff.

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Sent: Sunnudagur, 2. Febrúar, 2014 15:52:54
Efni: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.







Hi,


I would recommend to recap the power supply. The psu gives out -12, +12, +5, -5 and 5Vm (for memory coming from the battery) and 5VL. Make sure that you upgrade with higher voltages caps then the ones that are in there...Oberheim used 16v ones which is pretty close to the 12v lines they are on.
btw 5Vm is also connected to a 74C00 Nand gate (ic14) which is controlling the CS line of the 43256 eprom. I have seen these go bust...


Looking at the schematics the cpu does get a reset on pin 37. The signal coming in is called VPV but i cant seem to find that anywhere else on the schems...maybe trace down that track.


good luck in fixing it and keep us up to date, br Dennis



2014-02-02 plat@... < plat@... > :








Thanks a lot, this gives me something to look for .

cheers
Arnar

----- Upprunaleg skilaboð -----
Frá: "Lorne Hammond" < lhammond@uvic.ca >
Til: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Laugardagur, 1. Febrúar, 2014 15:59:16
Efni: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

A bad cpu is rarely the issue. In the tr-909 the blame is often the cpu but the real cause is usually the caps/traces/switching transistors on the reset circuit, located back on the power board.

Some cpus have a circuit that protects them from switching on until they have a stable +5 v from the power supply, to prevent memory scrambles of what your saving.

You might want to check to see if the matrix cpu has a reset pin and trace that trace back to the power supply. A transistor may be slow to fail, or a ground cap is a bit flaky and as they heat up something lifts internally or external to the component. On the 909 traces are delicate and its easy to melt one that is hidden by the big capacitors that it cuts across underneath, continuity trace catches if that is teh issue. So teh circuit does what its supposed to when part of it fails

when the reset drops below 5V and it immediately switches the cpu off, which leaves the display hanging or blank in mid-operation?

Just musing aloud not speaking from any matrix experience.

Lorne in Canada

rom: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of tim p
Sent: January-30-14 1:59 PM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...

From: plat@...
Sent: 30/01/2014 21:42
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

2014-02-03 by plat@simnet.is

Replaced the 73c00 , still the same.
Tracing the reset.

Arnar

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Til: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Sunnudagur, 2. Febrúar, 2014 15:52:54
Efni: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.







Hi,


I would recommend to recap the power supply. The psu gives out -12, +12, +5, -5 and 5Vm (for memory coming from the battery) and 5VL. Make sure that you upgrade with higher voltages caps then the ones that are in there...Oberheim used 16v ones which is pretty close to the 12v lines they are on.
btw 5Vm is also connected to a 74C00 Nand gate (ic14) which is controlling the CS line of the 43256 eprom. I have seen these go bust...


Looking at the schematics the cpu does get a reset on pin 37. The signal coming in is called VPV but i cant seem to find that anywhere else on the schems...maybe trace down that track.


good luck in fixing it and keep us up to date, br Dennis



2014-02-02 plat@... < plat@... > :








Thanks a lot, this gives me something to look for .

cheers
Arnar

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Sent: Laugardagur, 1. Febrúar, 2014 15:59:16
Efni: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

A bad cpu is rarely the issue. In the tr-909 the blame is often the cpu but the real cause is usually the caps/traces/switching transistors on the reset circuit, located back on the power board.

Some cpus have a circuit that protects them from switching on until they have a stable +5 v from the power supply, to prevent memory scrambles of what your saving.

You might want to check to see if the matrix cpu has a reset pin and trace that trace back to the power supply. A transistor may be slow to fail, or a ground cap is a bit flaky and as they heat up something lifts internally or external to the component. On the 909 traces are delicate and its easy to melt one that is hidden by the big capacitors that it cuts across underneath, continuity trace catches if that is teh issue. So teh circuit does what its supposed to when part of it fails

when the reset drops below 5V and it immediately switches the cpu off, which leaves the display hanging or blank in mid-operation?

Just musing aloud not speaking from any matrix experience.

Lorne in Canada

rom: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of tim p
Sent: January-30-14 1:59 PM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Please define what you mean by "cpu has been changed"...

From: plat@...
Sent: 30/01/2014 21:42
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Matrix 1000 Freeze.

Hi everyone.

I have a Matrix 1000 that I am trying to bring back to life.

The issue is as follows:

I can turn it on just fine but it will freeze after a few minutes , this happens even though I just leave it alone.
Sometimes it will also randomly change presets but that does not happen often.

I have reseated all socketed chips,checked that battery, done the initialization but it keeps freezing.
CPU has been changed (I have two more CPU´s) * Software is 1.11

Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Arnar

RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-02-04 by Lorne Hammond

Boris:  Those are my studio amp/preamps.  Lovely Niokko alphaas.



Lorne
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From: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boris dumery
Sent: February-02-14 7:34 AM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.





Re-hi Magnus,



Following informations received from a staff member of Jean Michel JARRE the difference between 1613 and 1623 are just cosmetical and comercial as fort NIKKO's amplifiers   for exampla  NIKKO ALPHA440 and NIKKO ALPHA450  or NIkko ALPHA 220 and NIKKO ALPHA 230



http://dl.lojinx.com/analoghell/Arp1601Sequencer-ServiceManual.pdf



No Service Manual, interresting in anyway

http://home.comcast.net/~synthdoc/A/ARPSeqOwners.pdf

http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63077



HERE! they seems to have it. see in the list  as written, the User's Manual is the same for ARP1601/1613/1623;

http://www.markglinsky.com/ManualManor.html

http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63077

http://sonic.net/mjones/archive/docs/



JUST MY

 CENTS



Boris from Belgium



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De : boris dumery <boris_dumery@...>
À : "vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com" <vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Dimanche 2 février 2014 16h00
Objet : Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.



Hi Magnus,



May this help?



Not the same, but quite very close



http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/1601/



Boris from Belgium



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De : Magnus Arni Oder Kristinsson <magnusarnioder@...>
À : vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 28 janvier 2014 11h26
Objet : [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.





Hello,



I can not find the Arp 1613 Sequencer service manual on the web.



Does anyone have it on PDF and is willing to send it to me?



my email is: magnusarnioder@...



Thanks

Magnús

Test

2014-02-05 by plat@simnet.is

Testing...dont seem to be getting posts from this group.

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Magnus???? are you there? Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.

2014-02-06 by boris dumery

Hi Lorne,

Indeed, nice amps,
I still have 2 pieces of 450 + 2 pieces of 440 + 1 piece 230 + gamma 30...lost my beta 50 with fireworks on the main board PCB !-((


Hi Magnus,

Were the links useful?

Boris.



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 De : Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...>
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Envoyé le : Mardi 4 février 2014 3h05
Objet : RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.



 
Boris:  Those are my studio amp/preamps.  Lovely Niokko alphaas.
 
Lorne
 
From:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boris dumery
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Sent: February-02-14 7:34 AM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.
 
 
Re-hi Magnus,
 
Following informations received from a staff member of Jean Michel
JARRE the difference between 1613 and 1623 are just cosmetical and comercial as
fort NIKKO's amplifiers   for exampla  NIKKO ALPHA440 and NIKKO
ALPHA450  or NIkko ALPHA 220 and NIKKO ALPHA 230
 
http://dl.lojinx.com/analoghell/Arp1601Sequencer-ServiceManual.pdf
 
No Service Manual, interresting in anyway
http://home.comcast.net/~synthdoc/A/ARPSeqOwners.pdf
http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63077
 
HERE! they seems to have it. see in the list  as written, the
User's Manual is the same for ARP1601/1613/1623;
http://www.markglinsky.com/ManualManor.html
http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63077
http://sonic.net/mjones/archive/docs/
 
JUST MY 
 CENTS
 
Boris from Belgium
 

________________________________

De :boris
dumery <boris_dumery@...>
À : "vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com"
<vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Dimanche 2 février 2014 16h00
Objet : Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service
manual.
 
Hi Magnus,
 
May this help? 
 
Not the same, but quite very close
 
http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/1601/
 
Boris from Belgium
 

________________________________

De :Magnus
Arni Oder Kristinsson <magnusarnioder@...>
À : vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi 28 janvier 2014 11h26
Objet : [vintagesynthrepair] Can't find Arp 1613 service manual.
 
 
Hello,
 
I can not find the Arp 1613 Sequencer service manual on the web.
 
Does anyone have it on PDF and is willing to send it to me?
 
my email is: magnusarnioder@gmail.com
 
Thanks
Magnús

RE: Vintage Synth Repair Facebook Group.

2014-04-10 by <f115@...>

I'm not going tp bother joining that at all. FB is a terrible framework for tracking that kind of information. Imagine trying to share a DIY build on there. Same thing. Yahoo is a clunker too but at least I can search and find what I'm looking for.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.