Vintage Synth Repair

Hi-New Member- Anyone any idea were I could source a replacement disk 
drive and possibly replacement keys..... Regards Glynn

Try the DW8000 group - there are a few DSS1-ers on there.

On 2/8/07, firstlairdofglencairn <firstlairdofglencairn@...> wrote:
> Hi-New Member- Anyone any idea were I could source a replacement disk
> drive and possibly replacement keys..... Regards Glynn
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Route 66 is the source.  I just fixed the link on my
www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource.  There were lots of fouled links
associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous resource
page died in a car accident oct. 2005.  Some of his links have gone
away. -Bob
--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "Brinkmann Music"
<adam@...> wrote:
>
> I ordered one online few years ago for about $40.  Can't recall the
vendor.
> It is a very specific drive with jumper settings- a stock drive from
a pc
> won't work.  There used to be some sites out there with the jumper
settings

> and compatible drives.  If I have time I'll look through my files.
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> firstlairdofglencairn
>   Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 AM
>   To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
> 
> 
>   Hi-New Member- Anyone any idea were I could source a replacement disk
>   drive and possibly replacement keys..... Regards Glynn
>

Greetings:

I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one.  It was intended 
for a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive they 
would sell for a DSS1.
The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should 
work.  It is a 720k SS drive I believe.  The Route 66 drive is an Alps 
Electronics drive if I recall.
I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for less 
than I paid for it.

Best regards;

Peter


>
>     Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
>     www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of fouled links
>     associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
>     apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous resource
>     page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have gone
>     away. -Bob
>
>
>
>  



-

Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W drive. 
never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar reports on 
the 01W list .. Buyers beware....


>From: Peter Bye <pcbye@...>
>Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
>
>Greetings:
>
>I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one.  It was intended for 
>a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive they would 
>sell for a DSS1.
>The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should work.  
>It is a 720k SS drive I believe.  The Route 66 drive is an Alps Electronics 
>drive if I recall.
>I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for less than 
>I paid for it.
>
>Best regards;
>
>Peter
>
>
>>
>>     Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
>>     www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of fouled links
>>     associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
>>     apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous 
>>resource
>>     page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have gone
>>     away. -Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-
>

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I'll make note of this and call them when I can.  I've never dealt
with them but they seemed to have a good resource there from
appearances.  But I don't give references to schmucks who don't take
care of issues like this and I will delete all links to them if they
aren't treating people fairly. -Bob

--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "SynthX SynthX"
<synth_guru@...> wrote:
>
> Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W
drive. 
> never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar
reports on 
> the 01W list .. Buyers beware....
> 
> 
> >From: Peter Bye <pcbye@...>
> >Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
> >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
> >
> >Greetings:
> >
> >I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one.  It was
intended for 
> >a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive
they would 
> >sell for a DSS1.
> >The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should
work.  
> >It is a 720k SS drive I believe.  The Route 66 drive is an Alps
Electronics 
> >drive if I recall.
> >I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for
less than 
> >I paid for it.
> >
> >Best regards;
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >>
> >>     Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
> >>     www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of
fouled links
> >>     associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
> >>     apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous 
> >>resource
> >>     page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have
gone

> >>     away. -Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Schlagerfeber på MSN! http://festival.msn.se/
>

Yeah, it is sad that things like this happen after all they seem
to have tracked down replacement drives for nearly every synth out there.
Especially sad for me since I have customers on my side that get affected
in their turn. I simply have to fork out the money for the drive for
my customer from my own pocket as i simply wont let him suffer for
something like this.

I\ufffdll never go the route 66 way to get a drive again, better research and
order from other sources IMO.

>From: "Robert Weigel" <sounddoctorin@...>
>Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:42:00 -0000
>
>I'll make note of this and call them when I can.  I've never dealt
>with them but they seemed to have a good resource there from
>appearances.  But I don't give references to schmucks who don't take
>care of issues like this and I will delete all links to them if they
>aren't treating people fairly. -Bob
>
>--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "SynthX SynthX"
><synth_guru@...> wrote:
> >
> > Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W
>drive.
> > never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar
>reports on
> > the 01W list .. Buyers beware....
> >
> >
> > >From: Peter Bye <pcbye@...>
> > >Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
> > >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
> > >
> > >Greetings:
> > >
> > >I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one.  It was
>intended for
> > >a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive
>they would
> > >sell for a DSS1.
> > >The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should
>work.
> > >It is a 720k SS drive I believe.  The Route 66 drive is an Alps
>Electronics
> > >drive if I recall.
> > >I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for
>less than
> > >I paid for it.
> > >
> > >Best regards;
> > >
> > >Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>     Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
> > >>     www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of
>fouled links
> > >>     associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
> > >>     apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous
> > >>resource
> > >>     page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have
>gone
> > >>     away. -Bob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Schlagerfeber p\ufffd MSN! http://festival.msn.se/
> >
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of SynthX SynthX
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:50 AM
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive

Yeah, it is sad that things like this happen after all they seem
to have tracked down replacement drives for nearly every synth out there.
Especially sad for me since I have customers on my side that get affected
in their turn. I simply have to fork out the money for the drive for
my customer from my own pocket as i simply wont let him suffer for
something like this.

I´ll never go the route 66 way to get a drive again, better research and
order from other sources IMO.

>From: "Robert Weigel" <sounddoctorin@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:42:00 -0000
>
>I'll make note of this and call them when I can. I've never dealt
>with them but they seemed to have a good resource there from
>appearances. But I don't give references to schmucks who don't take
>care of issues like this and I will delete all links to them if they
>aren't treating people fairly. -Bob
>
>--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "SynthX SynthX"
>...> wrote:
> >
> > Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W
>drive.
> > never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar
>reports on
> > the 01W list .. Buyers beware....
> >
> >
> > >From: Peter Bye
> > >Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
> > >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
> > >
> > >Greetings:
> > >
> > >I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one. It was
>intended for
> > >a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive
>they would
> > >sell for a DSS1.
> > >The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should
>work.
> > >It is a 720k SS drive I believe. The Route 66 drive is an Alps
>Electronics
> > >drive if I recall.
> > >I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for
>less than
> > >I paid for it.
> > >
> > >Best regards;
> > >
> > >Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
> > >> www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of
>fouled links
> > >>; associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
> > >> apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous
> > >>resource
> > >> page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have
>gone
> >; >> away. -Bob
> > >>
> > >>
>; > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >;
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Schlagerfeber på MSN! http://festival.msn.se/
> >
>
>

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I've never dealt with Route66 either but I've heard of other 
experiences such as SynthX's. I am a member of the Ensoniq Mirage group:

http://www.webcom.com/jawknee/Mirage/

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Mirage-Net/

Search the post threads at the Yahoo group and you'll see some of the 
issues with Route66.

BTW....There used to be a site about DSS/Mirage disk drives and 
compatibility between the two, but I haven't been able to find it 
recently. I'll look around in my old files to see if I kept any info on 
this...(might take a while)....seems like I did. Also the fairly common 
TEAC FD235HF3240 will work with a Mirage..(kinda). Maybe (?) this is 
true with a DSS (?). I always wanted a DSS and an 
MS20....anyway.....I'm still looking for a good replacement Panasonic 
JU324/364 drive for one of Mirages....just in case you have a box of 
them laying around.

vid

On Saturday, February 10, 2007, at 02:10 AM, SynthX SynthX wrote:

> Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W 
> drive.
> never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar 
> reports on
> the 01W list .. Buyers beware....
>
> >From: Peter Bye <pcbye@...>
> >Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
> >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
> >
> >Greetings:
> >
> >I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one. It was 
> intended for
> >a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive they 
> would
> >sell for a DSS1.
> >The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should 
> work.
> >It is a 720k SS drive I believe. The Route 66 drive is an Alps 
> Electronics
> >drive if I recall.
> >I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for less 
> than
> >I paid for it.
> >
> >Best regards;
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
> >> www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of fouled links
> >> associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
> >> apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous
> >>resource
> >> page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have gone
> >> away. -Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >-
> >
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Schlagerfeber på MSN! http://festival.msn.se/
>
>

Exactly what was the problem that you had? how did you loose money? I would like to hear your side of the story, I too am on the O1/W list and the only cases are of using the wrong media or.
 
I work at Route 66 and we have always had a replacement policy, if a drive shows up DOA no problem we replace it. It's not a perfect world and sometimes when things are shipped they can get damaged so we gladly replace them, what we don't do is give a monetary refund to a customer that finds it's not just the drive that needs to be replaced and decides that the repairs are to costly and then wants to return the parts. 
 
This seems to be a growing problem due to the influx of ebay gear and the customers taking that chance that the everything on the unit works. 
 
One of our biggest issues is that we find many customers don't care to read the manual or our install guides which clearly show the media type for ALL the drives we sell and the units we are selling them for as DSDD 720k floppy's, they then try to use HD 1.44 floppy discs with the new drive and come screaming back to us stating that the drive will not work.
 
 Here is how it works: First off the drive you put in your unit does not dictate what media your unit can use, it is the unit itself that dictates what can and cannot be used. This is due to the FDC controller inside of every piece of electronic gear with a floppy drive, if it is a DSDD 720K FDC then the drive needs to be a 720k drive.
When you put a disc into your drive the drives chipset does a hand shake with the FDC controller and this is called media detection, if the disc does not match the FDCs requirements/instructions the FDC will send seek the closest ERROR message stored in the units OS like: "BAD DISC" "DRIVE ERROR" "UNFORMATTED DISC" "WRONG MEDIA TYPE" "FLOPPY DRIVE FAIL"
 
Now many people say that "I have been using HD 1.44 discs with my original drive in my 01/w or EPS16+ or whatever unit with no problem"  Ok...I have too done this and the reason why it is posable is that the older drives being 8 to 10 years older have a much more dumbed down chipset then today's standard. 
These older drives will not reject the wrong media because they do not perform a thorough hand shake with the FDC controller, infact in some older drives these instructions are not even on the chipset.
On newer drives the on board chipset and the FDC controller perform a vary thorough hand shake and if the wrong media is detected it simply will not work. 
 
This is why if your using HD 1.44 in your older gear that requires DSDD 720K discs your making a huge mistake because at some point the drive will fail and you will run into this problem. Also using an HD 1.44 disc in your older gear that requires a DSDD 720k disc is just a bad idea because the 720k drive in your unit only saves data in the 720k format not the 1.44 format, this and most importantly uses less magnetism to save the data to the disc then the HD 1.44 and will simply fade out or erase it self over time.
 
There is still a way to save all your work because all the drives we sell will accept a disc with the tape over the hole on the back of the HD 1.44 disc and this will allow you to save the data to the correct DSDD 720K discs.
 
Our drives always work 100% we don't sell crap...all our drives are tested on the unit itself before going out, if the drive is damaged in transit we replace it...it's that simple. If anyone has an issue with us or our product call us at 1-608-365-5006 and we will do our best to work it out.
 
The A529 was discontinued about 8 years ago due to problems, I did not know that Larry Hendry passed away in an accident that's too bad. He and I worked to gather on the first DSS1/DSSM drives, in fact he was my beta tester.
 
Rich at www.Route66studios.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: synth_guru@...
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive


Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W drive. 
never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar reports on 
the 01W list .. Buyers beware....

>From: Peter Bye <pcbye@mmm.com>
>Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
>
>Greetings:
>
>I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one. It was intended for 
>a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive they would 
>sell for a DSS1.
>The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should work. 
>It is a 720k SS drive I believe. The Route 66 drive is an Alps Electronics 
>drive if I recall.
>I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for less than 
>I paid for it.
>
>Best regards;
>
>Peter
>
>
>>
>> Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
>> www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of fouled links
>> associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
>> apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous 
>>resource
>> page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have gone
>> away. -Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-
>

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The problem was (Or still is):

1. I sent money after communication through e-mail 2 times prior to sending 
the money
(I had contact with you rich and stacy, tracy or whatever ...).
2. 1 months and 2 weeks later nothing had arrived, e-mailed about this. Got 
promisses of tracking order bla bla bla ..
3. 2 months later still nothing .. further e-mail trading and nothing 
happens. Even provided with
proof of payment from paypal, still nothing. Now 6 months later still no 
drive no money back, nothing.

And thats where we are at now.....


>From: mishon66@...
>Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg DSS1-Disk Drive route 66
>Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:05:16 -0500
>
>Exactly what was the problem that you had? how did you loose money? I would 
>like to hear your side of the story, I too am on the O1/W list and the only 
>cases are of using the wrong media or.
>
>I work at Route 66 and we have always had a replacement policy, if a drive 
>shows up DOA no problem we replace it. It's not a perfect world and 
>sometimes when things are shipped they can get damaged so we gladly replace 
>them, what we don't do is give a monetary refund to a customer that finds 
>it's not just the drive that needs to be replaced and decides that the 
>repairs are to costly and then wants to return the parts.
>
>This seems to be a growing problem due to the influx of ebay gear and the 
>customers taking that chance that the everything on the unit works.
>
>One of our biggest issues is that we find many customers don't care to read 
>the manual or our install guides which clearly show the media type for ALL 
>the drives we sell and the units we are selling them for as DSDD 720k 
>floppy's, they then try to use HD 1.44 floppy discs with the new drive and 
>come screaming back to us stating that the drive will not work.
>
>  Here is how it works: First off the drive you put in your unit does not 
>dictate what media your unit can use, it is the unit itself that dictates 
>what can and cannot be used. This is due to the FDC controller inside of 
>every piece of electronic gear with a floppy drive, if it is a DSDD 720K 
>FDC then the drive needs to be a 720k drive.
>When you put a disc into your drive the drives chipset does a hand shake 
>with the FDC controller and this is called media detection, if the disc 
>does not match the FDCs requirements/instructions the FDC will send seek 
>the closest ERROR message stored in the units OS like: "BAD DISC" "DRIVE 
>ERROR" "UNFORMATTED DISC" "WRONG MEDIA TYPE" "FLOPPY DRIVE FAIL"
>
>Now many people say that "I have been using HD 1.44 discs with my original 
>drive in my 01/w or EPS16+ or whatever unit with no problem"  Ok...I have 
>too done this and the reason why it is posable is that the older drives 
>being 8 to 10 years older have a much more dumbed down chipset then today's 
>standard.
>These older drives will not reject the wrong media because they do not 
>perform a thorough hand shake with the FDC controller, infact in some older 
>drives these instructions are not even on the chipset.
>On newer drives the on board chipset and the FDC controller perform a vary 
>thorough hand shake and if the wrong media is detected it simply will not 
>work.
>
>This is why if your using HD 1.44 in your older gear that requires DSDD 
>720K discs your making a huge mistake because at some point the drive will 
>fail and you will run into this problem. Also using an HD 1.44 disc in your 
>older gear that requires a DSDD 720k disc is just a bad idea because the 
>720k drive in your unit only saves data in the 720k format not the 1.44 
>format, this and most importantly uses less magnetism to save the data to 
>the disc then the HD 1.44 and will simply fade out or erase it self over 
>time.
>
>There is still a way to save all your work because all the drives we sell 
>will accept a disc with the tape over the hole on the back of the HD 1.44 
>disc and this will allow you to save the data to the correct DSDD 720K 
>discs.
>
>Our drives always work 100% we don't sell crap...all our drives are tested 
>on the unit itself before going out, if the drive is damaged in transit we 
>replace it...it's that simple. If anyone has an issue with us or our 
>product call us at 1-608-365-5006 and we will do our best to work it out.
>
>The A529 was discontinued about 8 years ago due to problems, I did not know 
>that Larry Hendry passed away in an accident that's too bad. He and I 
>worked to gather on the first DSS1/DSSM drives, in fact he was my beta 
>tester.
>
>Rich at www.Route66studios.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: synth_guru@...
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 3:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
>
>
>Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W drive.
>never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar reports on
>the 01W list .. Buyers beware....
>
> >From: Peter Bye <pcbye@...>
> >Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
> >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
> >
> >Greetings:
> >
> >I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one. It was intended 
>for
> >a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive they 
>would
> >sell for a DSS1.
> >The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should work.
> >It is a 720k SS drive I believe. The Route 66 drive is an Alps 
>Electronics
> >drive if I recall.
> >I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for less 
>than
> >I paid for it.
> >
> >Best regards;
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
> >> www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of fouled links
> >> associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
> >> apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous
> >>resource
> >> page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have gone
> >> away. -Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >-
> >
>
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Ok...could have been mis-delivered or even lost in the mail direct Email Andy shipping MGR at www.Route66studios@... and include your pay pal info on your purchase and I will see that it is taken care of. 
 
 Rich at Route 66

-----Original Message-----
From: synth_guru@...
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg DSS1-Disk Drive route 66


The problem was (Or still is):

1. I sent money after communication through e-mail 2 times prior to sending 
the money
(I had contact with you rich and stacy, tracy or whatever ...).
2. 1 months and 2 weeks later nothing had arrived, e-mailed about this. Got 
promisses of tracking order bla bla bla ..
3. 2 months later still nothing .. further e-mail trading and nothing 
happens. Even provided with
proof of payment from paypal, still nothing. Now 6 months later still no 
drive no money back, nothing.

And thats where we are at now.....

>From: mishon66@...
>Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg DSS1-Disk Drive route 66
>Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:05:16 -0500
>
>Exactly what was the problem that you had? how did you loose money? I would 
>like to hear your side of the story, I too am on the O1/W list and the only 
>cases are of using the wrong media or.
>
>I work at Route 66 and we have always had a replacement policy, if a drive 
>shows up DOA no problem we replace it. It's not a perfect world and 
>sometimes when things are shipped they can get damaged so we gladly replace 
>them, what we don't do is give a monetary refund to a customer that finds 
>it's not just the drive that needs to be replaced and decides that the 
>repairs are to costly and then wants to return the parts.
>
>This seems to be a growing problem due to the influx of ebay gear and the 
>customers taking that chance that the everything on the unit works.
>
>One of our biggest issues is that we find many customers don't care to read 
>the manual or our install guides which clearly show the media type for ALL 
>the drives we sell and the units we are selling them for as DSDD 720k 
>floppy's, they then try to use HD 1.44 floppy discs with the new drive and 
>come screaming back to us stating that the drive will not work.
>
> Here is how it works: First off the drive you put in your unit does not 
>dictate what media your unit can use, it is the unit itself that dictates 
>what can and cannot be used. This is due to the FDC controller inside of 
>every piece of electronic gear with a floppy drive, if it is a DSDD 720K 
>FDC then the drive needs to be a 720k drive.
>When you put a disc into your drive the drives chipset does a hand shake 
>with the FDC controller and this is called media detection, if the disc 
>does not match the FDCs requirements/instructions the FDC will send seek 
>the closest ERROR message stored in the units OS like: "BAD DISC" "DRIVE 
>ERROR" "UNFORMATTED DISC" "WRONG MEDIA TYPE" "FLOPPY DRIVE FAIL"
>
>Now many people say that "I have been using HD 1.44 discs with my original 
>drive in my 01/w or EPS16+ or whatever unit with no problem" Ok...I have 
>too done this and the reason why it is posable is that the older drives 
>being 8 to 10 years older have a much more dumbed down chipset then today's 
>standard.
>These older drives will not reject the wrong media because they do not 
>perform a thorough hand shake with the FDC controller, infact in some older 
>drives these instructions are not even on the chipset.
>On newer drives the on board chipset and the FDC controller perform a vary 
>thorough hand shake and if the wrong media is detected it simply will not 
>work.
>
>This is why if your using HD 1.44 in your older gear that requires DSDD 
>720K discs your making a huge mistake because at some point the drive will 
>fail and you will run into this problem. Also using an HD 1.44 disc in your 
>older gear that requires a DSDD 720k disc is just a bad idea because the 
>720k drive in your unit only saves data in the 720k format not the 1.44 
>format, this and most importantly uses less magnetism to save the data to 
>the disc then the HD 1.44 and will simply fade out or erase it self over 
>time.
>
>There is still a way to save all your work because all the drives we sell 
>will accept a disc with the tape over the hole on the back of the HD 1.44 
>disc and this will allow you to save the data to the correct DSDD 720K 
>discs.
>
>Our drives always work 100% we don't sell crap...all our drives are tested 
>on the unit itself before going out, if the drive is damaged in transit we 
>replace it...it's that simple. If anyone has an issue with us or our 
>product call us at 1-608-365-5006 and we will do our best to work it out.
>
>The A529 was discontinued about 8 years ago due to problems, I did not know 
>that Larry Hendry passed away in an accident that's too bad. He and I 
>worked to gather on the first DSS1/DSSM drives, in fact he was my beta 
>tester.
>
>Rich at www.Route66studios.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: synth_guru@...
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 3:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
>
>
>Route 66 is not to be trusted, lost money to them for a Korg 01/W drive.
>never got the drive, never got my money back. Have read similar reports on
>the 01W list .. Buyers beware....
>
> >From: Peter Bye <pcbye@...>
> >Reply-To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Korg DSS1-Disk Drive
> >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:20:25 -0600
> >
> >Greetings:
> >
> >I have a brand new Route 66 drive that may be the one. It was intended 
>for
> >a Yamaha DX7IIFD, but I am relatively sure it is the same drive they 
>would
> >sell for a DSS1.
> >The OEM is a Matsushita JU353-3, although any 353-X version should work.
> >It is a 720k SS drive I believe. The Route 66 drive is an Alps 
>Electronics
> >drive if I recall.
> >I was going to e-bay it one of these days, but would sell it for less 
>than
> >I paid for it.
> >
> >Best regards;
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Route 66 is the source. I just fixed the link on my
> >> www.imt.net/~sounddoctorin resource. There were lots of fouled links
> >> associated with the korg dss-1 because route 66 moved their link
> >> apparently on aol..and Larry Hendry who provided a tremendous
> >>resource
> >> page died in a car accident oct. 2005. Some of his links have gone
> >> away. -Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >-
> >
>
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... That is a policy that makes good commercial sense to me. One of our biggest issues is that we find many customers don t care to ... You re sort of

Don't read anything into what I said, I stated that this will allow you to save the data to the correct DSDD 720K discs, not load to them or format. Using HD discs in a decicated 720K drive is simply a bad idea, and why would you do this when DSDD discs are still available and more cost effective.
 
Rich at Route 66

-----Original Message-----
From: jezosaurus@...
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg DSS1-Disk Drive route 66





On 2/11/07, mishon66@... < mishon66@...> wrote: 
I work at Route 66 and we have always had a replacement policy, if a drive shows up DOA no problem we replace it. It's not a perfect world and sometimes when things are shipped they can get damaged so we gladly replace them, what we don't do is give a monetary refund to a customer that finds it's not just the drive that needs to be replaced and decides that the repairs are to costly and then wants to return the parts.  
 
This seems to be a growing problem due to the influx of ebay gear and the customers taking that chance that the everything on the unit works. 


That is a policy that makes good commercial sense to me. 



One of our biggest issues is that we find many customers don't care to read the manual or our install guides which clearly show the media type for ALL the drives we sell and the units we are selling them for as DSDD 720k floppy's, they then try to use HD 1.44 floppy discs with the new drive and come screaming back to us stating that the drive will not work.
 
 Here is how it works: First off the drive you put in your unit does not dictate what media your unit can use, it is the unit itself that dictates what can and cannot be used. This is due to the FDC controller inside of every piece of electronic gear with a floppy drive, if it is a DSDD 720K FDC then the drive needs to be a 720k drive.
When you put a disc into your drive the drives chipset does a hand shake with the FDC controller and this is called media detection, if the disc does not match the FDCs requirements/instructions the FDC will send seek the closest ERROR message stored in the units OS like: "BAD DISC" "DRIVE ERROR" "UNFORMATTED DISC" "WRONG MEDIA TYPE" "FLOPPY DRIVE FAIL" 
 
Now many people say that "I have been using HD 1.44 discs with my original drive in my 01/w or EPS16+ or whatever unit with no problem"  Ok...I have too done this and the reason why it is posable is that the older drives being 8 to 10 years older have a much more dumbed down chipset then today's standard. 
These older drives will not reject the wrong media because they do not perform a thorough hand shake with the FDC controller, infact in some older drives these instructions are not even on the chipset.
On newer drives the on board chipset and the FDC controller perform a vary thorough hand shake and if the wrong media is detected it simply will not work. 
 
This is why if your using HD 1.44 in your older gear that requires DSDD 720K discs your making a huge mistake because at some point the drive will fail and you will run into this problem. Also using an HD 1.44 disc in your older gear that requires a DSDD 720k disc is just a bad idea because the 720k drive in your unit only saves data in the 720k format not the 1.44 format, this and most importantly uses less magnetism to save the data to the disc then the HD 1.44 and will simply fade out or erase it self over time.
 
There is still a way to save all your work because all the drives we sell will accept a disc with the tape over the hole on the back of the HD 1.44 disc and this will allow you to save the data to the correct DSDD 720K discs.

You're sort of contradicting yourself.
(I have a DSS1 and a Roland MV30 that both require DD (720k) disks. The DSS1 had no disks at all when I bought it, so I had to get it working purely from internet resources.)
You're saying that HD disks will not work in a newer DD drive because the logic in the drive will reject the HD disks. Then you say that you can 'convince' the drives that the disks you have are DD by sticking a bit of tape over a hole. 
So in fact, you can use HD disks as DD disks in any drive, if you 'transform' their personality with a bit of tape.

I understand that the magnetism issue may cause HD floppies to fail faster than DD floppies when used with a DD drive, BUT in my experience, you can expect a 30% failure rate on 10 to 20 year old floppies anyway, so you need an alternative way of storing information. 

I have a dedicated DOS box (Windows 98 dual-boot) that I use for floppy management using a utility called CopyQM. So I regard the floppy image library I have on there as authoritative, and any floppies as 'temporary' storage. 

It took me a few hours of hard slog to get everything to work, but I can manage all the floppies I need using any sort if 3.5in disk (DD/HD) for both my DSS1 and MV-30

Many thanks to Glen Stegner for the information he has shared at: 
http://glenstegner.com/dss1 



The A529 was discontinued about 8 years ago due to problems, I did not know that Larry Hendry passed away in an accident that's too bad. He and I worked to gather on the first DSS1/DSSM drives, in fact he was my beta tester. 

Larry was a great resource on the DSS1. His website seems to have survived him: Another one of the unsung heroes that help keep old synths alive.



http://glenstegner.com/dss1 

 
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