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RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Boss DR-55 sounding problem - FINALLY!

2008-10-13 by Scott Nordlund

I doubt J2's output would damage anything, but you could use some sort of gain stage (pre-amp or something?) before your soundcard if you're worried.  Pulses should be about 10 ms long, which you should be able to measure on your computer.

> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> From: freckles@freeola.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:00:59 +0100
> Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Boss DR-55 sounding problem - FINALLY!
>
> Oops, how right you are!
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> I can't hear any flam on the hi-hat, its quite a soft attack on it
> anyway so I might not hear if it was. In the "8" mode the hi-hat lags
> behind by what sounds like a constant amount. At faster tempos it sounds
> ridiculously out of time! Maybe all dr-55s do that - I don't know...
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> A scope would be better but I suppose I could connect J2 to my
> soundcard, record it and look at the wave. might be wise to go through a
> DI box or something though, don't wanna blow my inputs.
>
>
> Chris
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> Scott Nordlund wrote:
>> There actually isn't a CPU- the TC5501 is a RAM chip (interesting design!).
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>> I think this would be a very easy problem to solve with an oscilloscope, but things get a little more "interesting" if you don't have one.
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>> Do you hear the "flam" sound on the hi-hat sound? Do the "16" and "8" modes work properly (8 should be half-speed)? Do they both have the "flam" sound?
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>> Do you have a way of observing what comes out of J2?
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>> C42 should determine the tempo, so it's probably fine.
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>> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>> From: freckles@...
>> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:23:59 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Boss DR-55 sounding problem - FINALLY!
>>
>> Hi Scott
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>> thanks for your info, and sorry for the HUGE delay in getting back to this.
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>> Its not a start-button problem. regardless of what is programmed in the
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>> memory, when the cpu [tc5501] sends out the drum trigger signals, its
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>> like each trigger is doubled. its not a semi-quaver apart but maybe 10ms
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>> or something, which makes me wonder if the sounds are restarting on the
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>> falling edge of the trigger pulse as well? but maybe its more basic than
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>> that..
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>> my knowlege of electronics is very limited - i don't even understand
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>> what's happening in the clock circuit, maybe the problem is there as it
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>> connects directly to one of the cpu pins next to the trigger outputs.. ?
>>
>> what would happen if C42 was faulty? What does NP 1/50 mean [next to
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>> C42]. I tried replacing the 4011UB but no change.
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>> Any help very much appreciated
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>> Thanks
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>> Chris
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>> Scott Nordlund wrote:
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>>> I don't have a DR-55 but I downloaded the service manual for my own
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>>> amusement (I'm cool like that). I would guess that the note button is
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>>> double-triggering, and the sequencer then correctly plays back the
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>>> wrongly-entered sequences (where you can turn the tempo down and hear
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>>> two successive steps rather than a double-triggered flam), yes? If
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>>> I'm understanding this correctly, the rest button shouldn't
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>>> double-trigger, and you should replace C45.
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>>> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
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>>> From: freckles@...
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>>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:10:14 +0000
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>>> Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Boss DR-55 sounding problem
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>>> Hi just wondering if anyone has some advice/tips for me.
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>>> I have what appears to be a fully working DR-55 except the drum sounds
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>>> are double-triggering. most noticeable is the kick which obviously
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>>> flams, making it sound very farty.
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>>> I don't have a scope but i've recorded it to my laptop and can see the
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>>> double peak.
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>>> Anyone have any idea what it could be? I can mail relevant service
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>>> manual pages if that helps.
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>>> Thanks
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