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P2000 Newbie

P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by timothyconrardy

Hi All

My friend just GAVE me a P2000. !! I gave him an Atari System in 
return, so he is happy with all the MIDI goodies.

He is going to send me the manual. but in the meantime, I have some 
hopefully simple Q's about basic operation.

1. How do you load a sound from disc? ( I got TONS of sounds he gave 
me)
2. How do you set the MIDI recieve channel?

Thats all for now. I am glad that this support group exists!

Myself: I am into the Atari-MIDI scene and have been able to get 
released most of the excellent Atari-MIDI programs from the 
programmers and companies and now they are available on my site:

http://tamw.atari-users.net

You can now run most of them on a PC using emulation with STEEM. 
Details on my site as well.

Now I have to dig up my copy of sound designer and see if it will 
work with the P2000!

Tim Conrardy

Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by Nicholasfaith@aol.com

Tim!!! hahaha, small world wide web. hehe Mr. Nicholas Faith

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Hi All

My friend just GAVE me a P2000. !! I gave him an Atari System in
return, so he is happy with all the MIDI goodies.

He is going to send me the manual. but in the meantime, I have some
hopefully simple Q's about basic operation.

1. How do you load a sound from disc? ( I got TONS of sounds he gave
me)
2. How do you set the MIDI recieve channel?

Thats all for now. I am glad that this support group exists!

Myself: I am into the Atari-MIDI scene and have been able to get
released most of the excellent Atari-MIDI programs from the
programmers and companies and now they are available on my site:

http://tamw.atari-users.net

You can now run most of them on a PC using emulation with STEEM.
Details on my site as well.

Now I have to dig up my copy of sound designer and see if it will
work with the P2000!

Tim Conrardy




Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by Tim Conrardy

>   Tim!!! hahaha, small world wide web. hehe Mr. Nicholas Faith
:
>AH HA! I thought I saw a post from you on the web site!

Does this mean you can answer my questions?
I have tried this for loading sounds:(no manual yet, so its all 
experimentation)

Hit the LOAD switch. It lights up. Stick a disc in the drive. Hit EXECUTE, 
the disc drive reacts. The LED says : LH . No sound from the keyboard.

It does this with evey disc I have tried. I don't think my discs are bad

Any suggs?

Tim

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Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by Nicholasfaith@aol.com

Hi Tim, I might be able to ( I haven't used my prophet in a few months) 
I've been meaning to scan a few parts of my manual for another list member 
too but between School and work I haven't had the time to even write let only 
even be in the studio... BTW if the person I was talking to about the mapping 
section gets this please email me so I have your address again ( I have no 
clue what happened to the email, I think aol deleted it after a while) as for 
your question I think someone said LH has something to do with the disk or 
disk drive(anyone remember that???) if I get anytime I'll check on that, I 
know I have your email address! ;)  Later, Nicholas
PS. when I do get around to scanning stuff from the manual I'll send it to 
you as well, cause mapping on that thing can be a real bitch at first.



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tconrardy@... writes:
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> Does this mean you can answer my questions?
> I have tried this for loading sounds:(no manual yet, so its all 
> experimentation)
> 
> Hit the LOAD switch. It lights up. Stick a disc in the drive. Hit EXECUTE, 
> the disc drive reacts. The LED says : LH . No sound from the keyboard.
> 
> It does this with evey disc I have tried. I don't think my discs are bad
> 
> Any suggs?
> 
> Tim
>

Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by Tim Conrardy

>   Hi Tim, I might be able to >PS. when I do get around to scanning stuff 
>from the manual I'll send it to
>you as well, cause mapping on that thing can be a real bitch at first.


Thanks Nicholas...However my friend who gave me the P2000 said he will be 
sending me the manual. I was just hoping to get some help from this grp in 
the mean time.

Loading a disc seems like an elementary operation as I am sure all users do 
load thier sounds!

anybody with suggs?

Tim
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Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by Tim Conrardy

>Hi to Nicholas and Tim -
>
>the "LH" readout means "Locked Head" and, according to the WineCountry 
>Sequential tech. staff is a terminal fault with the floppy drive

Thanks for this info Ben!I have several friends who can help me on this if I 
need it.


>If the drive is working correctly you will find the display changing to L, 
>La, Lb or 'int'. when you turn the parameter wheel.  L loads the entire 
>disk, La loads the first half of the sound bank, Lb loads the second half 
>of the sound bank and int loads the internal sounds again.

OK...I now get these messages..so that means my disc drive is working. I was 
able to load some of the discs.I see the LEDS going crazy when I load it! 
Some discs gave me ERR messages. Does that mean its a bad disc?

However...every 4rth note or so when playing the keyboard, I get a white 
noise sound instead of the sample playing. Any idea's what this is?

To my understanding, there are internal sounds, then ones you load from 
disc. Is there a button I should push to get to the Internal sounds?

Also: now that I am getting some sounds going, how do I set a recieve 
channel.( Q from original post) I understand the matrix Idea, but it seems 
to be in OMNI mode.Recieves on all channels. I would like to seperate it to 
use with my sequencer.Perhaps a command from the Options selection?


Thanks a lot for all the help...it sounds like a GREAT machine..I am 
impressed! I suppose my next Q (after these) will be SYSEX, but that should 
be on a different thread.

BTW: I also have an Ensoniq Mirage which also has a two digit display and a 
parameter code to learn.

Tim
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Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by Ben Menadue

Hi to Nicholas and Tim -
the "LH" readout means "Locked Head" and, according to the WineCountry Sequential tech. staff is a terminal fault with the floppy drive. (I know this because mine did it too) It is fairly straightforward to change the floppy drive - the Prophet has a standard, if ancient, PC floppy drive controller - I had a couple of old PC drives lying around so I found one that fitted and after fiddling with the jumper setting it worked fine. You may need to find a fairly old drive, if you don't have one kicking around, since the power connections are slightly different on the newer drives (or so I found) but you should be able to pick up a suitable replacement fairly easily in any PC-junk-retailer, it just won't be the right colour, in all likelihood. If you have any other questions on that topic just drop me a line.
If the drive is working correctly you will find the display changing to L, La, Lb or 'int'. when you turn the parameter wheel. L loads the entire disk, La loads the first half of the sound bank, Lb loads the second half of the sound bank and int loads the internal sounds again.
I hope this is useful information!
BTW - Nicholas, I'm the person you refer to who was interested in getting a copy of the keyboard mapping scans! If you have time to post them up that would be great.
TTFN
Ben
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> Hi Tim, I might be able to >PS. when I do get around to scanning stuff
>from the manual I'll send it to
>you as well, cause mapping on that thing can be a real bitch at first.


Thanks Nicholas...However my friend who gave me the P2000 said he will be
sending me the manual. I was just hoping to get some help from this grp in
the mean time.

Loading a disc seems like an elementary operation as I am sure all users do
load thier sounds!

anybody with suggs?

Tim
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Tim's Atari Midi World : http://tamw.atari-users.net
Atari-Midi Mailing List:http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/atari-midi
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Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-03 by ferrograph@aol.com

>>OK...I now get these messages..so that means my disc drive is working. I 
was 
able to load some of the discs.I see the LEDS going crazy when I load it! 
Some discs gave me ERR messages. Does that mean its a bad disc?<<

bad sectors- the p2000/2002 will have a few goes at recovering this data so 
it's not fatal, but if it eventually finishes loading and the noises are 
alright, you'd be well advised to store them off onto a new disc.
the strobing led pattern is normal and meaningless; more alarming was the 
noise the older drives made when they encountered bad blocks. if it stops on 
"err", you might still be able to load the sounds one by one and repair the 
presets they live in. you need a manual.....

>>However...every 4rth note or so when playing the keyboard, I get a white 
noise sound instead of the sample playing. Any idea's what this is?<<

ah. that could be bad.  same keys each time? different keys with different 
sounds? if the dynamic allocation's on and the dead spot moves around.... 
you've got a duff voice chip. but if it's always the same place for a given 
disc-load, it could be that bad sector. the best way to test one of these 
things is with the manual......
(switch off the dynamic voice allocation- you'll know if it's on if you have 
the thing hooked up left and right and the notes are flying around. also, 
there's a menu item....)

>>To my understanding, there are internal sounds, then ones you load from 
disc. Is there a button I should push to get to the Internal sounds?<<

it's an option in the load-from-disc operation, and fills the sample memory 
with waveshapes from the cpu (not rom, strictly speaking- I'm fairly sure the 
machine makes them up from scratch). you'll see "int"....

>>Also: now that I am getting some sounds going, how do I set a recieve 
channel.( Q from original post) I understand the matrix Idea, but it seems 
to be in OMNI mode.Recieves on all channels. I would like to seperate it to 
use with my sequencer.Perhaps a command from the Options selection?<<

defaults to midi mode 1, which is omni receive. this setting stays with the 
disc/presets and can be changed using midi/modes from 0 (no midi rx/tx at 
all), 1 (omni), to 3a (normal mode 3), 3b (separate midi rx for left & right 
sides or "maps") and the long-forgot mode 4 (sample locations respond to ch 
1-16 respectively).  any of these followed by a + sign indicate the special 
overflow mode which sends notes out again (to another 2000/2) when it runs 
out of voices.
channel selection for modes 3 and 3a are in midi/channels. in 3a, the - sign 
is the left map's channel, while the + sign (appears when you press execute) 
signifies the right map's channel.

I used to use a lot of split presets like this, with the mono output and 
dynamic allocation on. 

I was really good at this a few years back- I have an expanded 2002 with 
separate outs and a 2000, though the latter has a duff kybd cobntroller. 
reading all this stuff makes me want to use them again. there was no better 
12-bit machine. akai's 900 won because they had the lcd display, but these 
filters are far better. stevie wonder used a 2000 for years- probably still 
does.
I'm looking through the manual- there is some sysex stuff but mostly about 
the sample dump format. it can be persuaded to up/download all the other 
settings too, but frankly the floppies were always going to be quicker. I 
changed the drives on both of mine for bog standard pc floppy drives without 
any problems, though the one in the 2000 has a cassette box glued to it to 
fill in the slot because the new drive's half the size.

duncan/rmi

Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-04 by Tim Conrardy

>You need a manual.....

Could not agree more!!



> >>However...every 4rth note or so when playing the keyboard, I get a white
>noise sound instead of the sample playing. Any idea's what this is?<<
>
>ah. that could be bad.  same keys each time? different keys with different
>sounds? if the dynamic allocation's on and the dead spot moves around....

Different keys for different sounds. Does not matter which key it is.I found 
if I keep taping a key untill I get the "white Noise", I keep that key 
depressed and it plays normally. So it has something to do with the voice 
allacation as you say. I can press the "stack-on-off" switch and this sort 
of masks it, but you can still hear it. Funny: the Internal sounds are 
unaffected, those work fine.So its not the chip ( Whew!)Must be a parameter 
setting.

How so I turn the dynamic allocation off?? (untill I get the manual.)

You know what would be great?

A TXT file  or excell sheet with all the parameters spelled out. Could go on 
our FILE section, and also any other 'newbie" type Questions. I do this for 
Atari-MIDI in which I am moderator.

BTW: been digging up some of my Atari sound apps..and found quite a few that 
support the P2000. It guess it grew up in the same era :-)
Genwave, Sample maker (which is a super FM synthisis package) Turbosynth and 
Avalon. Gotta figure them out..but I can take my time.


 >stevie wonder used a 2000 for years- probably still
>does.

Hey...a celebrity Keyboard!

Thanks for your very detailed answer...much appreciated.

Even though it is 12 bit, the sounds are still very crisp. I am also 
surpried at the output of my mirage as well.

Tim
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Re: [prophet2000] P2000 Newbie

2002-02-04 by Nicholasfaith@aol.com

While we are on the subject of bands who have used the P2000, KMFDM,Information Society,Apollo 440, Depeche Mode amongst others I know have used it... That I know of right now only KMFDM and Apollo 440 still use them..
Nicholas
PS a bit off topic but anyone else here have an EMU EMAX SE. sampler?? 12 bit and does some killer shit in it's own right.( all of those bands had those as well...)

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>stevie wonder used a 2000 for years- probably still
>does.

Hey...a celebrity Keyboard!

Thanks for your very detailed answer...much appreciated.

Even though it is 12 bit, the sounds are still very crisp. I am also
surpried at the output of my mirage as well.

Tim


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