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"Bleed" and grounding

"Bleed" and grounding

2018-04-18 by Malte Rogacki

Hello everyone;

I've tried to delve a bit deeper into those issues. Turns out they are
somehow related (at least on my machine).

The "oscillator bleed" I described earlier (that was present even when
volume was fully turned down and the output switched off) and a lot of
other noises disappeared when using an audio isolation transformer (a cheap
Behringer "hum destroyer") between Polysix and amplifier.
This is somewhat remarkable since the whole Audio setup is pretty basic:
both the Polysix and the amp (I tried different ones) are powered from the
same outlet; there are no other devices involved. So the chance of getting
a bona fide ground loop causing such behaviour is pretty slim.
Hence I suspect that there still is someting wrong with grounding of this
particular unit. Even more so since there is another problem that the "hum
destroyer" did not get rid of:

While using the "hum destroyer" cleaned up the sound in a major way I
noticed clearly audible RFI (or something similar) when turning the volume
way up (with the volume switch in the "high" position). While working
inside the Polysix this was not much of a problem; the interference was
pretty low then. But when closing the lid it became clearly worse.

Closer observation seems to point at KLM-369 and/or KLM-370 as the source
of the noise (KLM-371 does not seem to play a role here).
Moving the audio connection between KLM-367 and KLM-368 did not seem to
make a major difference though it seems to me as if the interference is
picked up mostly by KLM-367.

Any ideas? Should I move all audio related boards into a different Polysix
to check this further? Or are those already clear signs of some grounding
issue?

Re: "Bleed" and grounding

2018-04-18 by daviddemontis@btinternet.com

Hi Malte
I have a P6 that I have fitted a KIWISIX board and psu to.
I have followed Murray`s grounding setup that involves
grounding various componants on the voice board, effects board
and output to dedicated groundings on the psu board.
The kit also includes 2x ferrite ring kits to fit to the interface
scanning lines (blue cables from front panel) and the keybaord
scanning lines.
My P6 is quiet but if I turn up the volume to max with output set to
HI and attenuator to +10 I can hear the scanning lines as a high
pitched white noise like whine.
This could be what you are hearing ,bearing in mind the output
is cranked up to max.

Dave

Re: "Bleed" and grounding

2018-04-19 by jw_dewdney@yahoo.com

i would like to try a toroidal transformer in the polysix - i suspect there's a LOT of transformer induced noise in the polysix

Re: [PolySix] Re: "Bleed" and grounding

2018-04-19 by simon

that would be 50Hz.

On 19-04-18 04:42, jw_dewdney@yahoo.com [PolySix] wrote:
> i would like to try a toroidal transformer in the polysix - i suspect
> there's a LOT of transformer induced noise in the polysix
>
>

--
Met vriendelijke Groet,

Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl

Re: "Bleed" and grounding

2018-04-26 by jw_dewdney@yahoo.com

if a 'direct' induced current into the output - but it can also dump AC into other circuits and create all manner of unintended effects depending on where it ends up - it's never bad practice to use 'quieter' components though