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Polysix Modulation problem

Polysix Modulation problem

2016-07-27 by jesusgallego@gmail.com

Hi, I'm trying to debug the last remaining problem in my Polysix refurb, it's regarding the LFO signal. The KLM-367 has been replaced with a Kiwisix board successfully and my local tech also did the 369 and 371 mods as indicated in the Kiwisix manual, all verified with good continuity.


Symptoms:

  • If I set either MG Delay or Speed down to 0 the MG enters a fast LFO state which doesn't respond to speed knob adjustments. 
  • If I set two or more of the parameters entering IC2 in KLM-369 (MG Speed, Delay, Level, PWM Speed) down to 0 it will provoke a program fault and light up all the LEDs in the front panel.
  • To take it out of program fault I just need to move one or more knobs away from 0.
  • To bring it out of the unusual fast modulation state I just need force Mod Wheel modulation (which is now carried through the IC2 MUX in KLM-369 too, as per Kiwisix modification).
As the fault seems to be affected by many different signals it looks to me like a badly muxed MG signal. IC2 MUX in 369 looks suspect but then I don't understand why it only happens when taking values down to 0 and works perfect when you don't. Muxed signal travels through the purple ribbon cable to Kiwisix which could also be at fault. I can't discard the Kiwisix is doing something wrong interpreting the muxed data but shipping the board back to AU if the fault is somewhere else is overkill. Most recent boot and firmware have also been re-applied to Kiwisix. I haven't seen any possible points of failure in KLM-366 as I don't think the problematic signal enters the voice board.

I'd love if someone could help me out with a diagnose before taking any further steps. I don't have a scope to analyze the muxed analog data though.

Thanks in advance.

Re: [PolySix] Polysix Modulation problem

2016-07-27 by Florian Anwander

Hello

I think you should ask this on the kiwitechnics maillist (I think you
are subscribed there).

Florian

Am 27.07.2016 um 16:11 schrieb jesusgallego@gmail.com [PolySix]:
>
> Hi, I'm trying to debug the last remaining problem in my Polysix
> refurb, it's regarding the LFO signal. The KLM-367 has been replaced
> with a Kiwisix board successfully and my local tech also did the 369
> and 371 mods as indicated in the Kiwisix manual, all verified with
> good continuity.
>
>
> Symptoms:
>
> * If I set either MG Delay or Speed down to 0 the MG enters a fast
> LFO state which doesn't respond to speed knob adjustments.
> * If I set two or more of the parameters entering IC2 in KLM-369 (MG
> Speed, Delay, Level, PWM Speed) down to 0 it will provoke a
> program fault and light up all the LEDs in the front panel.
> * To take it out of program fault I just need to move one or more
> knobs away from 0.
> * To bring it out of the unusual fast modulation state I just need
> force Mod Wheel modulation (which is now carried through the IC2
> MUX in KLM-369 too, as per Kiwisix modification).
>
> As the fault seems to be affected by many different signals it looks
> to me like a badly muxed MG signal. IC2 MUX in 369 looks suspect but
> then I don't understand why it only happens when taking values down to
> 0 and works perfect when you don't. Muxed signal travels through the
> purple ribbon cable to Kiwisix which could also be at fault. I can't
> discard the Kiwisix is doing something wrong interpreting the muxed
> data but shipping the board back to AU if the fault is somewhere else
> is overkill. Most recent boot and firmware have also been re-applied
> to Kiwisix. I haven't seen any possible points of failure in KLM-366
> as I don't think the problematic signal enters the voice board.
>
> I'd love if someone could help me out with a diagnose before taking
> any further steps. I don't have a scope to analyze the muxed analog
> data though.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

Re: Polysix Modulation problem

2016-07-27 by jesusgallego@gmail.com

Sure, I've commented the issue with Murray already but I'd like to dig a little deeper and rule out other things before sending the board to Australia and potentially losing one or two months.

Best regards,

Jesús

Re: Polysix Modulation problem

2016-07-28 by jesusgallego@gmail.com

Ah, I found what the problem was. The tech who installed the Kiwisix inadvertently cut the trace from IC2 in KLM-369 at pin 7 that prevented -5v signal in the MUX and that made the whole muxed EG signal to be wrong, so my hunch wasn't too far away :) 
My Polysix is at last perfectly working now after months of work and this fix saved me from returning to check the Kiwisix. Beware of that mod for MIDI in KLM-369 if you get these kinds of errors.

Best regards to all the group.