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anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-17 by system canceled

Hey all!

Just wondering if anyone who did the KiwiSix install has their old IC6 sitting around and would be willing to part ways with it? It gets removed and replaced by the KiwiTechnics version for the install.

I would like to attempt to (re-)build a circuit around one of these IC6's to see if i can't utilize the arpeggiator inside. Might take some time but would be super fun to have as a composition tool.

Murray at Kiwi suggested i reach out to previous installers since he doesn't have any.

Thanks!
jim

Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by Florian Anwander

Hello

To be honest: what do you expect from it? You'll get a polyphonic six 
voice arpeggiator, which has poor (or even none) V/Oct settings. Do you 
own six analogue voices in a modular synth?

What might be more interesting is getting the SH-101 processor from 
someone who did the SH-1oh1 modification by tubbutec.de. You might ask 
Tobias M�nzer from tubbutec.de, whether he has some.

regards
Florian




Am 17.12.2015 um 23:46 schrieb system canceled systemcanceled@gmail.com 
[PolySix]:
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> Hey all!
>
> Just wondering if anyone who did the KiwiSix install has their old IC6 
> sitting around and would be willing to part ways with it? It gets 
> removed and replaced by the KiwiTechnics version for the install.
>
> I would like to attempt to (re-)build a circuit around one of these 
> IC6's to see if i can't utilize the arpeggiator inside. Might take 
> some time but would be super fun to have as a composition tool.
>
> Murray at Kiwi suggested i reach out to previous installers since he 
> doesn't have any.
>
> Thanks!
> jim

Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by James Matthew Smith

To be honest to you too, I personally find the polysix arpeggiator to be very unique in the way that it chooses notes when multiple ranges of octaves are held down. I've written entire songs by programming a handful of externally sent in MIDI notes to be sustained for specific lengths, then shift to different notes, so on and so forth, simply letting the polysix arp to its magic. It does something quite unusual when leaping around and creates fantastic new phrases.
I sold my polysix about a year ago for various reasons, but none of them because the polysix wasn't an instrument worth loving! I miss it. However, the thing I miss most is the arpeggiator.

That's cool about the SH101 thing. Very good to know and I might actually pursue that too! Thanks.

Anyone have an IC6?

Cheers
J

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On Dec 18, 2015 4:29 AM, "Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [PolySix]" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello

To be honest: what do you expect from it? You'll get a polyphonic six
voice arpeggiator, which has poor (or even none) V/Oct settings. Do you
own six analogue voices in a modular synth?

What might be more interesting is getting the SH-101 processor from
someone who did the SH-1oh1 modification by tubbutec.de. You might ask
Tobias Münzer from tubbutec.de, whether he has some.

regards
Florian

Am 17.12.2015 um 23:46 schrieb system canceled systemcanceled@gmail.com
[PolySix]:
> Hey all!
>
> Just wondering if anyone who did the KiwiSix install has their old IC6
> sitting around and would be willing to part ways with it? It gets
>; removed and replaced by the KiwiTechnics version for the install.
>;
> I would like to attempt to (re-)build a circuit around one of these
> IC6's to see if i can't utilize the arpeggiator inside. Might take
> some time but would be super fun to have as a composition tool.
>
> Murray at Kiwi suggested i reach out to previous installers since he
> doesn't have any.
>
> Thanks!
> jim

Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by Florian Anwander

Hello J,

you are of course right about how wonderful the arpeggiator in the P6 
is, but still there is the question: what soundgenerator do you want to 
control with it? You have to rebuild the complete Voiceboard including 
the VCOs!

The CPU and the D/A converter output a multiplexed "nearly V/Oct" 
voltage without any trimming. If you control a normal CV-Synth with this 
voltage, it will sound like "cats chant" (german saying). The trimming 
happens within a common exponentiator for all voices and then is 
demulitiplexed as six V/Hz voltages. The VCOs of the P6 are V/Hz (this 
is, why the P6 is that amazing stable in relative tune).


If you want the P6-Arpeggiator and want it to send MIDI-NOtes, then get 
the tubbutec CPU for the P6 (https://tubbutec.de/modypoly/). You may use 
it nearly standalone and it will send the Arpeggio via MIDI-Out and(!) 
will read the notes from MIDI-In.

Florian




Am 18.12.2015 um 17:17 schrieb James Matthew Smith 
jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com [PolySix]:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> To be honest to you too, I personally find the polysix arpeggiator to 
> be very unique in the way that it chooses notes when multiple ranges 
> of octaves are held down.
>

Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by Chris Benoit

I have one...
 

    On Thursday, December 17, 2015 5:46 PM, "system canceled systemcanceled@gmail.com [PolySix]" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     Hey all!
Just wondering if anyone who did the KiwiSix install has their old IC6 sitting around and would be willing to part ways with it? It gets removed and replaced by the KiwiTechnics version for the install.
I would like to attempt to (re-)build a circuit around one of these IC6's to see if i can't utilize the arpeggiator inside. Might take some time but would be super fun to have as a composition tool.
Murray at Kiwi suggested i reach out to previous installers since he doesn't have any.
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Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by James Matthew Smith

Thanks Florian,
I'm actually expecting the DIY arp to be a difficult situation but one worth pursuing, albeit with some patience and no guarantee it'll end up working.
My setup has changed and i'm gearing up to abandon computers and midi altogether. To play the arp, i'll be wanting to create a miniature keyboard using dozens of small momentary buttons, and then (and i know this might be tough) have the output of the arp able to go to monosynth cv/gate. It would of course be nice to be able to have the output be switchable between V/oct and H/V, but V/oct would be preferred if only one. However is that's accomplished, external conversion would be possible at that point.

When i used the arp on the polysix, i almost always just set the synth into "monosynth mode" which was just by using the chord function for just one note. Then it would only ever trigger the same voice over and over. So this would be the goal for the diy arp circuit, to create a purely trigger/cv/gate situation but only ever for one voice at output. I don';t even have a poly synth anymore.

And as for the tuubutec arp situation, and others, i'm pretty sure that the IC6 program information has never been extracted by anyone. So all of the arps out there are approximations, probably including the korg plugin. They may be close, and probably all awesome in their own regards. And maybe i'm naive to think that the original is superior since i haven't actually used the Kiwi/Tubbu/etc versions and they definitely have wonderfully committed designers behind them. But it's worth trying to resurrect an original since i'm already in love with the darn thing. call me a romantic.


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On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello J,

you are of course right about how wonderful the arpeggiator in the P6
is, but still there is the question: what soundgenerator do you want to
control with it? You have to rebuild the complete Voiceboard including
the VCOs!

The CPU and the D/A converter output a multiplexed "nearly V/Oct"
voltage without any trimming. If you control a normal CV-Synth with this
voltage, it will sound like "cats chant" (german saying). The trimming
happens within a common exponentiator for all voices and then is
demulitiplexed as six V/Hz voltages. The VCOs of the P6 are V/Hz (this
is, why the P6 is that amazing stable in relative tune).

If you want the P6-Arpeggiator and want it to send MIDI-NOtes, then get
the tubbutec CPU for the P6 (https://tubbutec.de/modypoly/). You may use
it nearly standalone and it will send the Arpeggio via MIDI-Out and(!)
will read the notes from MIDI-In.

Florian

Am 18.12.2015 um 17:17 schrieb James Matthew Smith
jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com [PolySix]:
>
> To be honest to you too, I personally find the polysix arpeggiator to
> be very unique in the way that it chooses notes when multiple ranges
> of octaves are held down.
>


Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by Bob Grieb

You are incorrect in saying that noone has ever extracted the Poly Six key assigner code.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, my PIC code is a direct port of that code.   I take the 8049 instruction 
and map it to the equivalent PIC instruction.   I did have to add a little delay in a few places as the PIC is 
much faster, but aside from that it's the same.   I also added MIDI note on and off, but that was a pretty 
small change.

Bob Grieb

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 12/18/15, James Matthew Smith jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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 Subject: Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?
 To: "PolySix@yahoogroups.com" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
 Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 11:59 AM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       Thanks Florian,I'm
 actually expecting the DIY arp to be a difficult situation
 but one worth pursuing, albeit with some patience and no
 guarantee it'll end up working.My setup has
 changed and i'm gearing up to abandon computers and midi
 altogether. To play the arp, i'll be wanting to create a
 miniature keyboard using dozens of small momentary buttons,
 and then (and i know this might be tough) have the output of
 the arp able to go to monosynth cv/gate. It would of course
 be nice to be able to have the output be switchable between
 V/oct and H/V, but V/oct would be preferred if only one.
 However is that's accomplished, external conversion
 would be possible at that point.
 When i used the arp on the polysix,
 i almost always just set the synth into "monosynth
 mode" which was just by using the chord function for
 just one note. Then it would only ever trigger the same
 voice over and over. So this would be the goal for the diy
 arp circuit, to create a purely trigger/cv/gate situation
 but only ever for one voice at output. I don't even have
 a poly synth anymore.
 And as for the tuubutec arp
 situation, and others, i'm pretty sure that the IC6
 program information has never been extracted by anyone. So
 all of the arps out there are approximations, probably
 including the korg plugin. They may be close, and probably
 all awesome in their own regards. And maybe i'm naive to
 think that the original is superior since i haven't
 actually used the Kiwi/Tubbu/etc versions and they
 definitely have wonderfully committed designers behind them.
 But it's worth trying to resurrect an original since
 i'm already in love with the darn thing. call me a
 romantic.
 
 
 On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at
 11:30 AM, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de
 [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       Hello J,
 
 
 
 you are of course right about how wonderful the arpeggiator
 in the P6 
 
 is, but still there is the question: what soundgenerator do
 you want to 
 
 control with it? You have to rebuild the complete Voiceboard
 including 
 
 the VCOs!
 
 
 
 The CPU and the D/A converter output a multiplexed
 "nearly V/Oct" 
 
 voltage without any trimming. If you control a normal
 CV-Synth with this 
 
 voltage, it will sound like "cats chant" (german
 saying). The trimming 
 
 happens within a common exponentiator for all voices and
 then is 
 
 demulitiplexed as six V/Hz voltages. The VCOs of the P6 are
 V/Hz (this 
 
 is, why the P6 is that amazing stable in relative tune).
 
 
 
 If you want the P6-Arpeggiator and want it to send
 MIDI-NOtes, then get 
 
 the tubbutec CPU for the P6 (https://tubbutec.de/modypoly/).
 You may use 
 
 it nearly standalone and it will send the Arpeggio via
 MIDI-Out and(!) 
 
 will read the notes from MIDI-In.
 
 
 
 Florian
 
 
 
 Am 18.12.2015 um 17:17 schrieb James Matthew Smith 
 
 jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com
 [PolySix]:
 
 >
 
 > To be honest to you too, I personally find the polysix
 arpeggiator to 
 
 > be very unique in the way that it chooses notes when
 multiple ranges 
 
 > of octaves are held down.
 
 >
 
 
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
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Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by James Matthew Smith

Well that's good news. Please pardon my ignorance of your device this is for, in fact I think my old polysix was midi modd'ed by you Bob so i should know this already (i'd bought it from someone who had it done by you).. But for what product of yours are you referring to? You have a replacement IC6 or a whole board?
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On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Bob Grieb bobgrieb@yahoo.com [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

You are incorrect in saying that noone has ever extracted the Poly Six key assigner code.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, my PIC code is a direct port of that code. I take the 8049 instruction
and map it to the equivalent PIC instruction. I did have to add a little delay in a few places as the PIC is
much faster, but aside from that it's the same. I also added MIDI note on and off, but that was a pretty
small change.

Bob Grieb

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 12/18/15, James Matthew Smith jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?
To: "PolySix@yahoogroups.com" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 11:59 AM












Thanks Florian,I'm
actually expecting the DIY arp to be a difficult situation
but one worth pursuing, albeit with some patience and no
guarantee it'll end up working.My setup has


changed and i'm gearing up to abandon computers and midi
altogether. To play the arp, i'll be wanting to create a
miniature keyboard using dozens of small momentary buttons,
and then (and i know this might be tough) have the output of
the arp able to go to monosynth cv/gate. It would of course
be nice to be able to have the output be switchable between
V/oct and H/V, but V/oct would be preferred if only one.
However is that's accomplished, external conversion
would be possible at that point.
When i used the arp on the polysix,
i almost always just set the synth into "monosynth
mode" which was just by using the chord function for
just one note. Then it would only ever trigger the same
voice over and over. So this would be the goal for the diy
arp circuit, to create a purely trigger/cv/gate situation
but only ever for one voice at output. I don't even have
a poly synth anymore.
And as for the tuubutec arp
situation, and others, i'm pretty sure that the IC6
program information has never been extracted by anyone. So
all of the arps out there are approximations, probably
including the korg plugin. They may be close, and probably
all awesome in their own regards. And maybe i'm naive to
think that the original is superior since i haven't
actually used the Kiwi/Tubbu/etc versions and they
definitely have wonderfully committed designers behind them.
But it's worth trying to resurrect an original since
i'm already in love with the darn thing. call me a
romantic.


On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at
11:30 AM, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de
[PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

























Hello J,



you are of course right about how wonderful the arpeggiator
in the P6

is, but still there is the question: what soundgenerator do
you want to

control with it? You have to rebuild the complete Voiceboard
including

the VCOs!



The CPU and the D/A converter output a multiplexed
"nearly V/Oct"

voltage without any trimming. If you control a normal
CV-Synth with this

voltage, it will sound like "cats chant" (german
saying). The trimming

happens within a common exponentiator for all voices and
then is

demulitiplexed as six V/Hz voltages. The VCOs of the P6 are
V/Hz (this

is, why the P6 is that amazing stable in relative tune).



If you want the P6-Arpeggiator and want it to send
MIDI-NOtes, then get

the tubbutec CPU for the P6 (https://tubbutec.de/modypoly/).
You may use

it nearly standalone and it will send the Arpeggio via
MIDI-Out and(!)

will read the notes from MIDI-In.



Florian



Am 18.12.2015 um 17:17 schrieb James Matthew Smith

jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com
[PolySix]:

>

> To be honest to you too, I personally find the polysix
arpeggiator to

> be very unique in the way that it chooses notes when
multiple ranges

> of octaves are held down.

>



































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Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?

2015-12-18 by Bob Grieb

I never modded anyone's PolySix, except my own.   And I don't think I have sold any of
my interfaces, although I may have sold one or two.  Here is more info:

http://www.tauntek.com/PolySix.htm

To install my device, you unplug the key assigner chip, and insert my small pc bd instead.
I made it that way instead of working along with the key assigner, so that people could
also use it as a key assigner replacement if they needed that.

If you want, I can send you a commented source code listing that assembles to the exact same
binary image as the Korg code.   I had to make that first to understand the basic operation of 
the code.  Even with lots of comments, you would to have some experience with assembly language 
to understand it fully.

    Bob

   
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On Fri, 12/18/15, James Matthew Smith jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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 Subject: Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049 217) left over from KIWI install?
 To: "PolySix@yahoogroups.com" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
 Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 12:10 PM

       
       
       Well that's good news.
 Please pardon my ignorance of your device this is for, in
 fact I think my old polysix was midi modd'ed by you Bob
 so i should know this already (i'd bought it from
 someone who had it done by you).. But for what product of
 yours are you referring to? You have a replacement IC6 or a
 whole board? 
 On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at
 12:04 PM, Bob Grieb bobgrieb@yahoo.com
 [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       You are incorrect in saying that noone has ever
 extracted the Poly Six key assigner code.
 
 As I mentioned in an earlier post, my PIC code is a direct
 port of that code.   I take the 8049 instruction 
 
 and map it to the equivalent PIC instruction.   I did have
 to add a little delay in a few places as the PIC is 
 
 much faster, but aside from that it's the same.   I also
 added MIDI note on and off, but that was a pretty 
 
 small change.
 
 
 
 Bob Grieb
 
 
 
 --------------------------------------------
 
 On Fri, 12/18/15, James Matthew Smith jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com
 [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [PolySix] anyone have an IC6 (key assigner 8049
 217) left over from KIWI install?
 
  To: "PolySix@yahoogroups.com"
 <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
 
  Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 11:59 AM
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
    
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
        
 
        
 
        Thanks Florian,I'm
 
  actually expecting the DIY arp to be a difficult
 situation
 
  but one worth pursuing, albeit with some patience and no
 
  guarantee it'll end up working.My setup
 has
 
  changed and i'm gearing up to abandon computers and
 midi
 
  altogether. To play the arp, i'll be wanting to create
 a
 
  miniature keyboard using dozens of small momentary
 buttons,
 
  and then (and i know this might be tough) have the output
 of
 
  the arp able to go to monosynth cv/gate. It would of
 course
 
  be nice to be able to have the output be switchable
 between
 
  V/oct and H/V, but V/oct would be preferred if only one.
 
  However is that's accomplished, external conversion
 
  would be possible at that point.
 
  When i used the arp on the polysix,
 
  i almost always just set the synth into "monosynth
 
  mode" which was just by using the chord function
 for
 
  just one note. Then it would only ever trigger the same
 
  voice over and over. So this would be the goal for the
 diy
 
  arp circuit, to create a purely trigger/cv/gate
 situation
 
  but only ever for one voice at output. I don't even
 have
 
  a poly synth anymore.
 
  And as for the tuubutec arp
 
  situation, and others, i'm pretty sure that the IC6
 
  program information has never been extracted by anyone.
 So
 
  all of the arps out there are approximations, probably
 
  including the korg plugin. They may be close, and
 probably
 
  all awesome in their own regards. And maybe i'm naive
 to
 
  think that the original is superior since i haven't
 
  actually used the Kiwi/Tubbu/etc versions and they
 
  definitely have wonderfully committed designers behind
 them.
 
  But it's worth trying to resurrect an original since
 
  i'm already in love with the darn thing. call me a
 
  romantic.
 
  
 
  
 
  On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at
 
  11:30 AM, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de
 
  [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
 
  wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
    
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
        
 
        
 
        Hello J,
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  you are of course right about how wonderful the
 arpeggiator
 
  in the P6 
 
  
 
  is, but still there is the question: what soundgenerator
 do
 
  you want to 
 
  
 
  control with it? You have to rebuild the complete
 Voiceboard
 
  including 
 
  
 
  the VCOs!
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  The CPU and the D/A converter output a multiplexed
 
  "nearly V/Oct" 
 
  
 
  voltage without any trimming. If you control a normal
 
  CV-Synth with this 
 
  
 
  voltage, it will sound like "cats chant"
 (german
 
  saying). The trimming 
 
  
 
  happens within a common exponentiator for all voices and
 
  then is 
 
  
 
  demulitiplexed as six V/Hz voltages. The VCOs of the P6
 are
 
  V/Hz (this 
 
  
 
  is, why the P6 is that amazing stable in relative tune).
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  If you want the P6-Arpeggiator and want it to send
 
  MIDI-NOtes, then get 
 
  
 
  the tubbutec CPU for the P6 (https://tubbutec.de/modypoly/).
 
  You may use 
 
  
 
  it nearly standalone and it will send the Arpeggio via
 
  MIDI-Out and(!) 
 
  
 
  will read the notes from MIDI-In.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Florian
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  Am 18.12.2015 um 17:17 schrieb James Matthew Smith 
 
  
 
  jmsmatthewsmith@gmail.com
 
  [PolySix]:
 
  
 
  >
 
  
 
  > To be honest to you too, I personally find the
 polysix
 
  arpeggiator to 
 
  
 
  > be very unique in the way that it chooses notes
 when
 
  multiple ranges 
 
  
 
  > of octaves are held down.
 
  
 
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