Discussion about the Korg PolySix synthesizer

Bonjour !

I am French and happy to join this group of Polysix owner. My old Polysix bought back in 1983 has been sleeping in the attic since 1990, until I have returned back now to my first love. Unfortunately I have discovered the battery leakage problem !

So I did the standard procedure (like many)

Spend a lot of time checking the lines on KLM-367 with plenty of leds on at start up.. 

Browse internet for hours (discover service manual, old crown, etc)…, change IC 30 & 31 … recheck continuity, still few leds on..

Recheck again, change all set of panel switches (vintage planet)..4 leds on... Bank B not working...

Check lines again, to get finally only leds A1 on start up. Great !

Unfortunately sound is not OK.

Tune seems OK, 6 voices are OK, voltages from power board are OK (15V, 5V -5V and -15V) all pots and switches seem to work except the 4x EG and 4x VCF pots which are not active!

I think at this stage it is useless to do the calibration procedure. Is there some indications, checking to start with to define if it is still a line/continuity problem or if electronic parts (IC, diode..) should be changed.

Thanks in advance for your help

Phil

On 29.05.2014 13:34, Bob Grieb bobgrieb@yahoo.com [PolySix] wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> So it seems that all of those connections are OK. Please check the
> IC23 connections next. P23 from IC22 to IC23-12,13,8, and the other
> connections on IC23 which you can see on the schematic. I am assuming
> that you do not have an oscilloscope, right?
>
> You say you have 13.56 volts at IC10-1 That's interesting, as
> IC18 outputs should range from -5 to +5 only. Does IC10 have -15
> on pin 4? Does IC18 have +5 on pin 16 and -5 on pin 7?
>
> Bob
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "Phil65 phil0065@yahoo.fr [PolySix]" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
> *To:* PolySix@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [PolySix] EG and VCF not working after battery leakage
>
> Looking at the klm367 schematic, I understand now your point with the
> connections between pins and signal P20, P21 and P22 but I had some
> diffuculty to cross link that information with the PCB drawing... until
> I realize that i was counting incorrectly the pins while I did know that
> it was from top right then CCW
> Do what I say, not what I do... I was correct for top side numbers but
> reverse for the bottom side i.e i did restart with 9 below 1... Stupid!
>
> So now I do have the following:
>
> P22 IC18-9 IC19-9 and IC22-23 => OK
> P21 IC18-10 IC19-10 and IC22-22 => OK
> P20 IC18-11 IC19-11 and IC22-21 => OK
> INH IC19-6 and IC23-10 => OK
> "X" IC18-3 and IC19-3 and IC27-1 =>OK
>
> I did recheck my previous post to correct them in light of my wrong pin
> counting
>
> 1) I did the DAC calib again and turning VR6 CCW => from led 8 to led 7
> 6 then 5, while turning VR7 CCW from led 8 to 7 then 6
> OK
>
> 2) pin 3 of IC18 and pin 1 of IC27, OK
> OK
>
> 3) pin 6 of IC18 and IC23-4. OK
> OK
>
> 4) pins 9,10 and 11 of IC18 and 19 should be connected to each other and
> to IC22 ?
>
> UPDATED: Wrong comment see above!
>
> 5) With power on, you should be able to vary a front panel
> control,such as filter cutoff, and see IC7 pin 7 change voltage as you
> do it (in manual mode).
>
> 3.177V => 3.120V cut off from 10 to 0 with all controls at normal setting
>
> UPDATED: Luckily correct, I did measure in fact pin 6 but it is strapped
> to pin 7...
>
> 6) when you select different patches, you should see the attack at
> IC10-1decay
>
> => On IC 10-1 no change always 13.56V
>
> UPDATED: Correct measurement
>
> 7) Decay at IC10-7 ?
>
> =>slight variation between patches. In manual mode and normal setting
> with decay control from 0 to 10 => 3.240V to 3.346V
>
> UPDATED: Again Luckily correct, I did measure in fact pin 6 but it is
> strapped to pin 7...
>
> I apologize for my mistake and thanks again for your patience and your
> support.
> Phil
>
> --------------------------------------------
> En date de : Jeu 29.5.14, Bob Grieb bobgrieb@yahoo.com [PolySix]
> <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
>
> Objet: Re: [PolySix] EG and VCF not working after battery leakage
> À: "PolySix@yahoogroups.com" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Jeudi 29 mai 2014, 3h28
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>
> These should be
> connected:
> IC18-9 IC19-9 and IC22-23 this
> is signal "P22"
> IC18-10 IC19-10 and IC22-22
> this is signal
> "P21"
> IC18-11 IC19-11 and IC22-21
> this is signal "P20"
> IC19-6 and
> IC23-10
> Also, IC18-3 must connect to
> IC19-3 as well as to IC27-1 which you checked already.
>
> You may want to download the
> service manual as it is available forfree on the web, and see the
> schematic for KLM-367.
> If IC18 and IC19 are not
> connected properly, the control voltages
> won't work
> correctly.
> Please ignore IC22 pins 5, 19,and
> 35. They are not related to
> this discussion. We are
> checking A B C and INH signals to IC18 and
> IC19.
> Bob
>
>
>
> From: "Phil65
> phil0065@yahoo.fr [PolySix]"
> <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
> To:
> PolySix@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May
> 28, 2014 7:55 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [PolySix]
> EG and VCF not working after battery leakage
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> Hi Bob,
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> You are really helpfull. Merci !
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> 1) I did the DAC calib again and turning VR6 CCW => from
> led 8 to led 7 6 then 5, while turning VR7 CCW from led 8
> to 7 then 6
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> 2) pin 3 of IC18 and pin 1 of IC27, OK
>
> 3) pin 6 of IC18 and IC23-4. OK
>
> 4) pins 9,10 and 11 of IC18 and 19 should be connected to
> each other and to IC22 ?
>
> It seems I have a problem here. I found only IC18-9 +
> IC19-9 + IC22 -5 , IC22-19 and IC22-35 connected together.
> Nothing between IC18-10 (IC18-11) with any pin of IC19 or
> IC22 ??
>
> Shall I strap IC18-9 + 10 + 11
>
>
>
> 5) With power on, you should be able to vary a front
> panel
>
> control,such as filter cutoff, and see IC7 pin 7 change
> voltage as you
>
> do it (in manual mode).
>
>
>
> 3.177V => 3.120V cut off from 10 to 0 with all controls
> at normal setting
>
>
>
>
>
> 6) when you select different patches, you should see the
> attack at IC10-1decay
>
>
>
> => On IC 10-1 no change always 13.56V
>
>
>
> 7) Decay at IC10-7 ?
>
>
>
> =>slight variation between patches. In manual mode and
> normal setting with decay control from 0 to 10 => 3.240V
> to 3.346V
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help, really appreciated !
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> En date de : Jeu 29.5.14, Bob Grieb bobgrieb@yahoo.com
> [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
>
>
>
> Objet: Re: [PolySix] EG and VCF not working after battery
> leakage
>
> À: "PolySix@yahoogroups.com"
> <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Date: Jeudi 29 mai 2014, 0h21
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> Hi Phil,
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> If you are seeing LEDs 1 and 8 in DAC calibration mode,
> that
>
> impliesthat
>
> the DAC and the input muxes are working. Another
> thing
>
> to try -
>
> in
>
> the DAC calibration test mode, turn the two controls
> that
>
> you were supposedto
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> set for this test, and you should see the LED's
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> change.
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> Don't worry about the click noise test for
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> now.
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> The voltage demux for controlling the EG and the VCF is
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> mostlyIC18
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> (4051). I would check with the ohmmeter that you
> have
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> good connections(with
>
> the power off, of course) between pin 3 of IC18 and pin 1
> of
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> IC27, and between
>
> pin
>
> 6 of IC18 and IC23-4. Also, pins 9,10 and 11 of IC18
> and
>
> 19 should be connectedto
>
> each other and to IC22.
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> With power on, you should be able to vary a front panel
>
> control,such
>
> as filter cutoff, and see IC7 pin 7 change voltage as
> you
>
> do it (in manual
>
> mode).
>
> And when you select different patches, you should see
> the
>
> attack at IC10-1decay
>
> at IC10-7, etc changing with different patches. Be
> careful
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> when probing with
>
> the
>
> power on not to short anything or you can damage chips in
> an
>
> instant. Use the gndtest
>
> pt for the meter black or negative lead.
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> Tell us what you measure at these points in the circuit
> and
>
> if they vary with the
>
> corresponding
>
> front panel control in manual mode, or when you change
>
> patches.
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>
>
> Bob
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>
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>
>
> From:
>
> "Phil65 phil0065@yahoo.fr [PolySix]"
>
> <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
>
> To:
>
> PolySix@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, May
>
> 28, 2014 6:05 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [PolySix]
>
> EG and VCF not working after battery leakage
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> Thanks Bob for your quick answer !
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> Seems that my patch looses "EG" from memory. I
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> have no sound unless I put the VCA switch from EG back
> to
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> "square" again to get some sound.
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> Not sure to keep the bank memory even when polysix is
> still
>
> on.
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> I did the procedure and it passes directly. Here a quick
>
> summary:
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> *dummy 56 ohm => all leds on
>
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> *remove resistance => A1 leds
>
>
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> *SW1 in test mode and tape switch to enable => Only
> leds
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> 1+8 on
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> * SW1 back to normal => still leds 1+8
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> * "7 ) confirm that output DC click noise is within
> 6V
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> p-p when power is switched off" => sorry I
> don't
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> understand precisely what to do/ measure?
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> * Power on again => A1 leds on.
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> Thanks for your support
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> Phil
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> En date de : Mer 28.5.14, Bob Grieb bobgrieb@yahoo.com
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> [PolySix] <PolySix@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
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> Objet: Re: [PolySix] EG and VCF not working after
> battery
>
> leakage
>
>
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> À: "PolySix@yahoogroups.com"
>
> <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
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> Date: Mercredi 28 mai 2014, 2h09
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> See if
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> these functions can be controlled correctly when using
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>
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> patchesin
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>
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> memory. If so, then the output from the CPU to the
>
> analog
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>
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> circuitsis
>
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> OK. Then you have a problem with reading the
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> controls.But
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> if the sound is always the same with all programs, then
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> the
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> output
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> circuit is bad and maybe t is reading from the pots
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> OK.Did
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> you try the DAC calibration test in the manual? It
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> would
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> be helpfulto
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> know if that is working OK. Just the part where you
> try
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> to
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> get the
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> two
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> LEDs to light up.
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> Bob
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> From:
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> "phil0065@yahoo.fr [PolySix]"
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> <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
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> To:
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> PolySix@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 27,
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> 2014 6:02 PM
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> Subject: [PolySix] EG
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> and VCF not
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> Bonjour !I am
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> French
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> and happy to join this group of Polysix owner. My old
>
>
>
> Polysix bought back in
>
>
>
> 1983 has been sleeping in the attic since 1990, until I
>
> have
>
>
>
> returned back now to
>
>
>
> my first love. Unfortunately I have discovered the
>
> battery
>
>
>
> leakage problem !
>
>
>
> So I did
>
>
>
> the standard procedure (like many)Spend a
>
>
>
> lot of time checking the lines on KLM-367 with plenty
> of
>
> leds on at start
>
>
>
> up.. Browse internet for hours (discover service
>
>
>
> manual, old crown, etc)…, change IC
>
>
>
> 30 & 31 … recheck continuity, still few leds
>
>
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> on..Recheck again, change all set of
>
>
>
> panel switches (vintage planet)..4 leds on... Bank B
> not
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> working...Check
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>
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> lines again, to get finally only leds A1
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> on start up. Great !
>
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> Unfortunately sound
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>
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> is not OK.
>
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> Tune seems
>
>
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> OK,
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> 6 voices are OK, voltages from power board are OK (15V,
>
> 5V
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> -5V and -15V) all pots
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>
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> and switches seem to work except the 4x EG and 4x VCF
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> pots
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>
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> which are not
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>
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> active! I think at
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>
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> this stage it is useless to do the calibration
> procedure.
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> Is
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> there some indications,
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> checking to start with to define if it is still a
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> line/continuity problem or if electronic parts (IC,
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> diode..)
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>
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> should be changed.
>
>
>
> Thanks in
>
>
>
> advance for your help
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