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Polysix ARP Sync

Polysix ARP Sync

2012-03-17 by nicknak110756

Hi Folks.

Im trying to hook my newly acquired Polysix up to my 808 via din sync.
Im using a Philip Rees MDS unit to sync the 808 to Logic and an 808 trigger connected to the Polysix "ARP trigger in" with a "S-trig" convertor box in between them.

I have it working but what im getting is a very ploddy ARP pattern that bares no relation to the ARP i get when i play the P6 in its standard mode with its on board clock engaged.

I've been trailing through the site trying to find some info on this but not managed to find what im after so im hoping someone can fill me in please.

Im hoping this is a set up issue or simply the way the synth functions but im also slightly worried its a fault with the synth itself?

Any info is much appreciated.

Many Thanks

Re: Polysix ARP Sync

2012-03-18 by bigpeeet@rocketmail.com

Hi there,
I've used a similar setup with 909 to trig chord through arp trig in, so should work okay. 

Not sure if this helps, but for each note you'll need a corresponding trigger instrument hit (cowbell, clap or accent on 808 I think). This means if you want something that sounds like the internal one, you may need to use put a trigger hit running on every note (16ths) or every second note (8ths) to get the regular intervals happening. 

This also mans that arp trigger is much more flexible than running the internal arp clock, as you can choose the sequence you want the arp notes to play rather than being stuck with regular intervals.

Of course, if you're doing this already and it's not playing a single note for each trigger hit, then something's probably not quite right, 'cause it seems to me your gear setup is okay.

Good luck

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "nicknak110756" <neil.b.dunn@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Folks.
> 
> Im trying to hook my newly acquired Polysix up to my 808 via din sync.
> Im using a Philip Rees MDS unit to sync the 808 to Logic and an 808 trigger connected to the Polysix "ARP trigger in" with a "S-trig" convertor box in between them.
> 
> I have it working but what im getting is a very ploddy ARP pattern that bares no relation to the ARP i get when i play the P6 in its standard mode with its on board clock engaged.
> 
> I've been trailing through the site trying to find some info on this but not managed to find what im after so im hoping someone can fill me in please.
> 
> Im hoping this is a set up issue or simply the way the synth functions but im also slightly worried its a fault with the synth itself?
> 
> Any info is much appreciated.
> 
> Many Thanks
>

Re: Polysix ARP Sync

2012-03-18 by feline1973

This is unlikely to work... 
DIN Sync sends a 24-pulses per 'quarter note' (crotchet), they're 5V TTL...

whereas the Polysix arpeggiator simply wants a pulse for each note in the arpeggio (and yeah, if I recall correctly, it's an S-trig pulse)

In other words, even with your V-trig to S-trig convertor, the DIN Sync clock pulses will probably be far too short in duration for the polysix to get a grip on. 

A workaround might be to set the tempo in Logic to a suitable fraction of the real tempo - so for instance, if you want the polysix arpeggio to play 8th notes (quavers) at 120bpm (i.e. 2 notes per quarter note), set the tempo in Logic to 120 / 12 = 10 bpm (does it even go that slow? ;) ... even then, the duration of the DIN Sync pulses might be too short for the polysix's taste.

Your mileage may vary

DAVID.
--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "nicknak110756" <neil.b.dunn@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Folks.
> 
> Im trying to hook my newly acquired Polysix up to my 808 via din sync.
> Im using a Philip Rees MDS unit to sync the 808 to Logic and an 808 trigger connected to the Polysix "ARP trigger in" with a "S-trig" convertor box in between them.
> 
> I have it working but what im getting is a very ploddy ARP pattern that bares no relation to the ARP i get when i play the P6 in its standard mode with its on board clock engaged.
> 
> I've been trailing through the site trying to find some info on this but not managed to find what im after so im hoping someone can fill me in please.
> 
> Im hoping this is a set up issue or simply the way the synth functions but im also slightly worried its a fault with the synth itself?
> 
> Any info is much appreciated.
> 
> Many Thanks
>

Re: Polysix ARP Sync

2012-03-19 by bigpeeet@rocketmail.com

David,
Not exactly sure this is how the setup is described. 

I believe the Phil Rees MDS is handling midi to din sync conversion to run the 808 in time with midi clock from logic, then the 808 trigger is being used to trigger the arpeggio timing via a trig to s-trig converter. 

I might be wrong 
 could you confirm Neil?

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
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>
> This is unlikely to work... 
> DIN Sync sends a 24-pulses per 'quarter note' (crotchet), they're 5V TTL...
> 
> whereas the Polysix arpeggiator simply wants a pulse for each note in the arpeggio (and yeah, if I recall correctly, it's an S-trig pulse)
> 
> In other words, even with your V-trig to S-trig convertor, the DIN Sync clock pulses will probably be far too short in duration for the polysix to get a grip on. 
> 
> A workaround might be to set the tempo in Logic to a suitable fraction of the real tempo - so for instance, if you want the polysix arpeggio to play 8th notes (quavers) at 120bpm (i.e. 2 notes per quarter note), set the tempo in Logic to 120 / 12 = 10 bpm (does it even go that slow? ;) ... even then, the duration of the DIN Sync pulses might be too short for the polysix's taste.
> 
> Your mileage may vary
> 
> DAVID.
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "nicknak110756" <neil.b.dunn@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks.
> > 
> > Im trying to hook my newly acquired Polysix up to my 808 via din sync.
> > Im using a Philip Rees MDS unit to sync the 808 to Logic and an 808 trigger connected to the Polysix "ARP trigger in" with a "S-trig" convertor box in between them.
> > 
> > I have it working but what im getting is a very ploddy ARP pattern that bares no relation to the ARP i get when i play the P6 in its standard mode with its on board clock engaged.
> > 
> > I've been trailing through the site trying to find some info on this but not managed to find what im after so im hoping someone can fill me in please.
> > 
> > Im hoping this is a set up issue or simply the way the synth functions but im also slightly worried its a fault with the synth itself?
> > 
> > Any info is much appreciated.
> > 
> > Many Thanks
> >
>

Re: Polysix ARP Sync

2012-03-19 by feline1973

Duh - yes, sorry, I forget when reading the original post that there was a real TR808 involved. 
Simply connect a trigger out from the 808 to the V-trig > S-strig convertor, and then to the Arp Clock In on the polysix. 
There are three trigger outs on the 808 (cowbell, clap, accent), so you actually need to program in the trigger as part of your patterns.

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "bigpeeet@..." <bigpeeet@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi there,
> I've used a similar setup with 909 to trig chord through arp trig in, so should work okay. 
> 
> Not sure if this helps, but for each note you'll need a corresponding trigger instrument hit (cowbell, clap or accent on 808 I think). This means if you want something that sounds like the internal one, you may need to use put a trigger hit running on every note (16ths) or every second note (8ths) to get the regular intervals happening. 
> 
> This also mans that arp trigger is much more flexible than running the internal arp clock, as you can choose the sequence you want the arp notes to play rather than being stuck with regular intervals.
> 
> Of course, if you're doing this already and it's not playing a single note for each trigger hit, then something's probably not quite right, 'cause it seems to me your gear setup is okay.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "nicknak110756" <neil.b.dunn@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks.
> > 
> > Im trying to hook my newly acquired Polysix up to my 808 via din sync.
> > Im using a Philip Rees MDS unit to sync the 808 to Logic and an 808 trigger connected to the Polysix "ARP trigger in" with a "S-trig" convertor box in between them.
> > 
> > I have it working but what im getting is a very ploddy ARP pattern that bares no relation to the ARP i get when i play the P6 in its standard mode with its on board clock engaged.
> > 
> > I've been trailing through the site trying to find some info on this but not managed to find what im after so im hoping someone can fill me in please.
> > 
> > Im hoping this is a set up issue or simply the way the synth functions but im also slightly worried its a fault with the synth itself?
> > 
> > Any info is much appreciated.
> > 
> > Many Thanks
> >
>

Re: Polysix ARP Sync

2012-03-20 by nicknak110756

Hi Guys

Thanks for all your replies, very much appreciated.
I have it up and running now so all good.
I've only just bought the 808 and had'nt realised i needed to programme the trigger outs to get a response.






--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Duh - yes, sorry, I forget when reading the original post that there was a real TR808 involved. 
> Simply connect a trigger out from the 808 to the V-trig > S-strig convertor, and then to the Arp Clock In on the polysix. 
> There are three trigger outs on the 808 (cowbell, clap, accent), so you actually need to program in the trigger as part of your patterns.
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "bigpeeet@" <bigpeeet@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> > I've used a similar setup with 909 to trig chord through arp trig in, so should work okay. 
> > 
> > Not sure if this helps, but for each note you'll need a corresponding trigger instrument hit (cowbell, clap or accent on 808 I think). This means if you want something that sounds like the internal one, you may need to use put a trigger hit running on every note (16ths) or every second note (8ths) to get the regular intervals happening. 
> > 
> > This also mans that arp trigger is much more flexible than running the internal arp clock, as you can choose the sequence you want the arp notes to play rather than being stuck with regular intervals.
> > 
> > Of course, if you're doing this already and it's not playing a single note for each trigger hit, then something's probably not quite right, 'cause it seems to me your gear setup is okay.
> > 
> > Good luck
> > 
> > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "nicknak110756" <neil.b.dunn@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Folks.
> > > 
> > > Im trying to hook my newly acquired Polysix up to my 808 via din sync.
> > > Im using a Philip Rees MDS unit to sync the 808 to Logic and an 808 trigger connected to the Polysix "ARP trigger in" with a "S-trig" convertor box in between them.
> > > 
> > > I have it working but what im getting is a very ploddy ARP pattern that bares no relation to the ARP i get when i play the P6 in its standard mode with its on board clock engaged.
> > > 
> > > I've been trailing through the site trying to find some info on this but not managed to find what im after so im hoping someone can fill me in please.
> > > 
> > > Im hoping this is a set up issue or simply the way the synth functions but im also slightly worried its a fault with the synth itself?
> > > 
> > > Any info is much appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Many Thanks
> > >
> >
>

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