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Back To One Again

Back To One Again

2006-01-03 by motionsandwaves

I just found out that the New battery that was installed is a slightly 
lower voltage, a 2032 lithium

It should be 3.2 Volts? Correct?

I messed with the Reset Adjuster to no avail. The main problem was the 
sound reverting back to Bank One , Sound A every 20 minutes or so. 
Would a lower voltage battery be causing the problem?

Thanks
Joe

Re: [PolySix] Back To One Again - Battery myths

2006-01-03 by klosmon

No.
A number of people have attributed many PolySix malfuctions to a bad battery;
the ONLY thing the battery does (besides leak all over the board & cause 
untold damage) is to maintain power to the RAM chip when the synth is 
turned off.
The RAM will still work, if the battery is dead or missing;  you can save 
programs from the front panel or from the tape interface & recall them at 
will -- as long as you don't turn off the synth.

It's been my experience that when people think they've corrected all the 
circuit board problems caused by a battery leak, they're ususally wrong -- 
keep in mind this is a digitally controlled machine, and that data and 
address lines are running all over the CPU & front panel boards.  If ANY of 
these lines are shorted, broken or otherwise screwed with by a leaking 
battery, the synth will malfunction -- sometimes in surprising ways.

(let me also add that visual inspection is not enough to determine that 
battery damage has been repaired;  there are many traces running under ICs 
that can be etched away without being visible).

~G

At 09:12 AM 1/3/2006, you wrote:
>I just found out that the New battery that was installed is a slightly
>lower voltage, a 2032 lithium
>
>It should be 3.2 Volts? Correct?
>
>I messed with the Reset Adjuster to no avail. The main problem was the
>sound reverting back to Bank One , Sound A every 20 minutes or so.
>Would a lower voltage battery be causing the problem?
>
>Thanks
>Joe
>
>
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Re: Back To One Again - Battery myths

2006-01-03 by motionsandwaves

Could you make any suggestions on the possible problems?  And how to 
fix them? Why would it , to use a term , run home to mamma every 20 
minutes?

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, klosmon <klosmon@s...> wrote:
>
> No.
> A number of people have attributed many PolySix malfuctions to a 
bad battery;
> the ONLY thing the battery does (besides leak all over the board & 
cause 
> untold damage) is to maintain power to the RAM chip when the synth 
is 
> turned off.
> The RAM will still work, if the battery is dead or missing;  you 
can save 
> programs from the front panel or from the tape interface & recall 
them at 
> will -- as long as you don't turn off the synth.
> 
> It's been my experience that when people think they've corrected 
all the 
> circuit board problems caused by a battery leak, they're ususally 
wrong -- 
> keep in mind this is a digitally controlled machine, and that data 
and 
> address lines are running all over the CPU & front panel boards.  
If ANY of 
> these lines are shorted, broken or otherwise screwed with by a 
leaking 
> battery, the synth will malfunction -- sometimes in surprising 
ways.
> 
> (let me also add that visual inspection is not enough to determine 
that 
> battery damage has been repaired;  there are many traces running 
under ICs 
> that can be etched away without being visible).
> 
> ~G
> 
> At 09:12 AM 1/3/2006, you wrote:
> >I just found out that the New battery that was installed is a 
slightly
> >lower voltage, a 2032 lithium
> >
> >It should be 3.2 Volts? Correct?
> >
> >I messed with the Reset Adjuster to no avail. The main problem 
was the
> >sound reverting back to Bank One , Sound A every 20 minutes or so.
> >Would a lower voltage battery be causing the problem?
> >
> >Thanks
> >Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [PolySix] Re: Back To One Again - Battery myths

2006-01-03 by klosmon

Hard to say.

All I can suggest is get hold of the schematics & a scope & start tracing 
data & address lines ...

Good luck.

~G


At 12:21 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote:
>Could you make any suggestions on the possible problems?  And how to
>fix them? Why would it , to use a term , run home to mamma every 20
>minutes?
>
>--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, klosmon <klosmon@s...> wrote:
> >
> > No.
> > A number of people have attributed many PolySix malfuctions to a
>bad battery;
> > the ONLY thing the battery does (besides leak all over the board &
>cause
> > untold damage) is to maintain power to the RAM chip when the synth
>is
> > turned off.
> > The RAM will still work, if the battery is dead or missing;  you
>can save
> > programs from the front panel or from the tape interface & recall
>them at
> > will -- as long as you don't turn off the synth.
> >
> > It's been my experience that when people think they've corrected
>all the
> > circuit board problems caused by a battery leak, they're ususally
>wrong --
> > keep in mind this is a digitally controlled machine, and that data
>and
> > address lines are running all over the CPU & front panel boards.
>If ANY of
> > these lines are shorted, broken or otherwise screwed with by a
>leaking
> > battery, the synth will malfunction -- sometimes in surprising
>ways.
> >
> > (let me also add that visual inspection is not enough to determine
>that
> > battery damage has been repaired;  there are many traces running
>under ICs
> > that can be etched away without being visible).
> >
> > ~G
> >
> > At 09:12 AM 1/3/2006, you wrote:
> > >I just found out that the New battery that was installed is a
>slightly
> > >lower voltage, a 2032 lithium
> > >
> > >It should be 3.2 Volts? Correct?
> > >
> > >I messed with the Reset Adjuster to no avail. The main problem
>was the
> > >sound reverting back to Bank One , Sound A every 20 minutes or so.
> > >Would a lower voltage battery be causing the problem?
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [PolySix] Back To One Again - Battery myths

2006-01-03 by Chromatest J. Pantsmaker

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> (let me also add that visual inspection is not enough to determine that
> battery damage has been repaired;  there are many traces running under ICs
> that can be etched away without being visible).

Another thing that people forget is that even if a trace has continuity from/to the right places, that doesn't mean that it isn't shorted to another trace that goes to the wrong place.

You want A to B and X to Y... NOT A to BXY and X to ABY

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