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Broken Oscillator?

Broken Oscillator?

2005-08-19 by mhoehn303

Hello,

I'm new here and I'm glad this mailing lists exists. I hope someone is
reading. :)

I had bought a Polysix from a friend who had it standing around for a
couple of years, without using it. I know it worked before. But after
this long time some things need(ed) to be fixed. Now that I have found
some time to clean the keyboard-contacts (those rubber keyboard repair
kits are really worth the money!) and to change the battery (still
doesn't work properly... patches are saved, but lost when turned
off... i will have to check the board again), there's one thing that
really worries me:

One of the oscillators is out of tune. The pitch of each sixth note is
a little higher, with the following exception: notes below 'D' of the
second octave don't play at all (only that one oscillator of course).
There's only a tiny and barely audible click (like it does with all
notes when attack is set to 0). So, left of 'D' the oscillator appears
to be dead, right of it it's pitch is too high. On 'D' itself pitch is
too low and slightly raises over time (the other, higher notes have a
steady pitch)

Does anyone know if this is a problem that can be fixed by going
through the service manual's calibration procedure? Or is it likely
that one Osc is dead? What would be needed to replace a dead Osc?

One other Osc is slightly lower in Volume, but I guess this can be
fixed by calibrating it.

I really want this Polysix to work again. It's a true gem and it even
had been MIDIfied back in the days. No matter what has to be done, I
will do it!

Thanks for your help,
Mike

Broken Oscillator (update)?

2005-08-21 by mhoehn303

Here's a little update on my Polysick:

The out-of-tune oscillator even plays lower notes when set to 4'. But
even when set to 8', with LFO on the VCO, on certain notes one can
clearly hear the upper part of the LFO wave. So this oscillator might
be just horribly out of tune, with the lower notes being too low to
actually play (at least at 16' and 8').

I just found Old Crow's "Tips for repairing vintage synthesizers"
(never seen this page before, altough I've used his really great
battery replacement guide) at
hhttp://www.oldcrows.net/~oldcrow/synth/tips.txt. And this made me
want to replace all the old capacitors with new ones. Perhaps an
insane job, because that would be a LOT of work. But on the other hand
the Polysix should be less prone to errors in the future, if done
properly. And with a little luck it might even help my dodgy
oscillator. I think I will start with the power supply and the voice
board.

Oh and I have found the problem with the battery replacement. It works
now. Big thanks to Old Crow! :)

Mike

Re: [PolySix] Broken Oscillator (update)?

2005-08-21 by mike thompson

When you replaced the battery did you also go through all the trace repairs
too?
I didn¹t and think that¹s why I still have an issue with mine, though my
traces all looked good.


On 8/21/05 4:21 AM, "mhoehn303" <mhoehn303@yahoo.de> wrote:

> Here's a little update on my Polysick:
>
> The out-of-tune oscillator even plays lower notes when set to 4'. But
> even when set to 8', with LFO on the VCO, on certain notes one can
> clearly hear the upper part of the LFO wave. So this oscillator might
> be just horribly out of tune, with the lower notes being too low to
> actually play (at least at 16' and 8').
>
> I just found Old Crow's "Tips for repairing vintage synthesizers"
> (never seen this page before, altough I've used his really great
> battery replacement guide) at
> hhttp://www.oldcrows.net/~oldcrow/synth/tips.txt. And this made me
> want to replace all the old capacitors with new ones. Perhaps an
> insane job, because that would be a LOT of work. But on the other hand
> the Polysix should be less prone to errors in the future, if done
> properly. And with a little luck it might even help my dodgy
> oscillator. I think I will start with the power supply and the voice
> board.
>
> Oh and I have found the problem with the battery replacement. It works
> now. Big thanks to Old Crow! :)
>
> Mike
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Re: [PolySix] Broken Oscillator (update)?

2005-08-21 by Mike Höhn

--- mike thompson <tubmyk2@comcast.net> wrote:

> When you replaced the battery did you also go through all the trace
> repairs
> too?
> I didn¹t and think that¹s why I still have an issue with mine, though
> my
> traces all looked good.

I replaced one of the IC's near the battery, which had black legs.
Apart from that the whole board really looks ok, even the the traces.
And I checked every trace with the multimeter.
Personally I think it can't be the KLM-367, because saving works again,
like it did before. The fact that only every sixth note is wrong is in
my opinion a clear indicator for a problem on the KLM-366. And that
looks even better than the KLM-367. But I will see.

One thing to note is: That small cable that goes from the battery to
the other board above was black from the inside. On the other side it
was still copper-colored. So I guess some of that icky battery stuff
must have been crawling up inside of the cable. So I consider it to be
a good idea to check that cable as well in order to replace it if
needed.

What's the problem with your Polysix?

Mike




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RE: [PolySix] Broken Oscillator (update)?

2005-08-21 by Mike Thompson

My P6 self-modulates (if that’s the right term)…



Basically it was fine until I literally moved it to another room and then
turned it on (something must’ve happened during transport) and all my
patches would modulate if I hold the key down for longer than 2 seconds. So
I went ahead and replaced the battery and diode, removing the capacitor like
on Old Crow’s website. My battery really didn’t leak that bad; it just
corroded on it’s side, but nothing seemed to hit the board, so I didn’t
bother doing the extensive repair for fear that I’d totally ruin my P6.
Maybe I’ll go through and replace IC’s if I can find them… but that’s the
problem I have with mine; self modulation. And I had to reload the patches
and they didn’t all work, so that’s another problem. I can try again I just
haven’t cuz I’m being lazy. Irritating, nonetheless…



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--- mike thompson <tubmyk2@comcast.net> wrote:

> When you replaced the battery did you also go through all the trace
> repairs
> too?
> I didn¹t and think that¹s why I still have an issue with mine, though
> my
> traces all looked good.

I replaced one of the IC's near the battery, which had black legs.
Apart from that the whole board really looks ok, even the the traces.
And I checked every trace with the multimeter.
Personally I think it can't be the KLM-367, because saving works again,
like it did before. The fact that only every sixth note is wrong is in
my opinion a clear indicator for a problem on the KLM-366. And that
looks even better than the KLM-367. But I will see.

One thing to note is: That small cable that goes from the battery to
the other board above was black from the inside. On the other side it
was still copper-colored. So I guess some of that icky battery stuff
must have been crawling up inside of the cable. So I consider it to be
a good idea to check that cable as well in order to replace it if
needed.

What's the problem with your Polysix?

Mike




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