OBERHEIM SYNTH

Hi Minh!!
It again depends; if the value of release E2 is high already in PATCH EDIT than there is no need to route it in MOD MTRX, and other way around..
Try route pedal2 with both releases on E1 and E2 (that is 2 seperate MOD MTRX), put value on let's say 60 on both and I'm sure you'll get your sustain effect.... If that doesn't work, please send me any sound in syx form or ob6 form and I'll send it back to you sustainable!!!! 
I never thought it is such an issue with M6R??

Best regards!!

Alen

--- On Tue, 6/7/11, Minh Tran <minh.n.tran@...> wrote:

From: Minh Tran <minh.n.tran@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Using Sustain Pedal for Matrix 6R
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 4:47 AM















 
 



  


    
      
      
      Thanks for the thorough and helpful response guys!

I had some time to mess with this afternoon but still have not been successful.  On a simple patch with no other Matrix patching, I routed Pedal2 to Envelope2 Release and set the value to +63.  This actually achieved the exact opposite effect I was seeking, in that the patch would sustain indefinitely until I stepped on the pedal, which would then trigger the release, although interesting, I would have to step on it a few times, each time making the sound quieter to fully silence the sound.  Could it be that the Matrix6R is expecting a pedal with the reverse polarity from my Yamaha FC-4 sustain pedal?


Unfortunately, reversing these values (-63) did not achieve the sustain functionality I was hoping for - the sound would cuttoff abruptly after I stopped playing, or with the pedal depressed the envelope would go into the release as set by the Envelope2 Release.  


The only other setting I can think of that could be effecting things is Patch Edit 29 VCA 2 MOD BY ENV 2, which I've maximixed to +63 and also experimented with other values.

All of the Envelopes Modes are Normal, and I have the sustain and release values for the ADSR at normal mid-range positive values.  


Alen, you originally mentioned patching Pedal2 to Envelope1 Release, which I've tried without success - from what Ive read and understand, Envelope 1 is meant to control VCF (unless patched otherwise in the Matrix) - is there a reason you suggested this instead of Envelope 2 Release?  


Any other ideas on how to get standard sustain behavior working would be appreciated!  This thing sounds beautiful, but its usability will be severely limited without basic sustain capabilities.  

Thanks again,

Minh

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:54 AM, LarryS <vision1@southwind.net> wrote:
















 



  


    
      
      
      


Em Tran,
 
There is no sustain on a Matrix 
6r.
There is no volume on a Matrix 
6r.
These are big reasons the M6r was such a poor 
seller.  It's a total pain.
 
To obtain a sustain effect, like Alen, said, it has 
to be the result of a modulation patch.  
Problem:  the pedal can be applied to 
*anything*.  So be certain of the routing.  
Problem:  anything ELSE can ALSO be applied to 
VCA release, so be be certain nothing else is taking over.
Problem:  many patches have VCA/VCF modulations 
that cut the sound even before it reaches the final VCA.  So the output VCA 
is merrily sustaining a zero output.  Sustain was patched correctly, just 
not completely.
 
Most modern modules have 'hardwired' sustain 
pedals.  More accurately, these are "freeze" pedals that simply hold the 
Note-Off command until Pedal = off.  The Matrix 6r makes you work for 
it.
 
The same is true with volume.  It must be 
patched to work.  And it must be patched comprehensively and completely to 
work effectively for some patches.  I ended up simply using an 
ErnieBall Volume pedal (and later a Morely) for all my live work to 
have fewer things to worry about. 
 
I suggest doing all this on a computer based 
editor.  I use a Mac and the Opcode abandonware for 
mine.
 
L.


  
  
  From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Minh 
  Tran
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 5:12 PM
To: 
  oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Using Sustain Pedal 
  for Matrix 6R


  Thanks 
  for the amazingly quick reply Alen!  I just tried what you suggested and 
  it did not work however.  I tried both Pedal 2 and Lever 2 as the source, 
  and Release for all three different envelopes.  Is there anywhere else in 
  the Matrix programming that could be preventing me from getting sustain 
  working?

Thanks again!
Minh


  On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:37 PM, analogfreak2005 <analogfreak2005@...> 
  wrote:

  
      
    
    
    
    
    
      
      
        Hi! 
Well it considers patch...
For standard 
          sustain you must go edit modulation matrix and connect pedal 2 as 
          source with envelope 1 release as destination.... put some value on 
          it!!!!

It works on mine M-6!!

Best 
          regards!!

Alen

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, minh.n.tran@... <minh.n.tran@...> wrote:


          
From: 
            minh.n.tran@gmail.com <minh.n.tran@...>
Subject: [oberheim] 
            Using Sustain Pedal for Matrix 6R
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 5, 
            2011, 8:25 PM
            


              
            
            Hello Oberheimers!
I just purchased a Matrix 6R and have been 
            enjoying the sounds and exploring the somewhat cumbersome 
            programming, and will dive into the available software programmers 
            next.

One thing that has me stumped is how to get the sustain 
            pedal functionality working for the Matrix. I know Lever 2 is the 
            correct input for this, and the manual even states that this would 
            mostly commonly be used for this purpose, besides triggering and 
            other capabilities. However, it hasn't been working for any of the 
            patches that were already loaded on this synth and digging through 
            the manual I can't find a way to do this. I am using a standard 
            Yamaha sustain pedal, and have also attempted to plug the sustain 
            pedal into my MIDI controller (Motif ES8), but this also doesn't 
            manage to allow the matrix to sustain. 

I can see Lever 
            parameters in DCO and VCA/VCF but these pertain to enabling 
            vibrato/bend modulation. 

I can also route the Lever2 in the 
            Matrix, but there is no way to route it to the Sustain on the Env2, 
            which controls the VCA (I believe - this thing is deep!).

Any 
            help would be appreciated! I did a search and found a discussion on 
            Expression pedals but not 
            sustain.

Thanks!
Minh