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Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

Ya gotta love all the limitations of tape.  The youngsters who grew up on digi only don't know the frustration and subsequent rewards of fighting tape.  Learning multitrack tape should be mandatory for all music engineering and production curriculum.  How many times I have been stressed out punching a full band or orchestra!!  That will drive you to drinking...

I've got some 4-track stuff from the mid-80's that I need to re-master and make available.  It's pretty good music and was an engineering nightmare/delight...no DAW's or computers at all!!


fritz
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-16 by Bruce Daily

Thanks, Frank-
   Love it!  The horse's mouth on how "I'm Not in Love" was produced!  Those vocal tracks would've made a great Streetly tape frame.
 
  BTW, the collage of pictures has an interesting one at 1:28.  The "256" state road sign is about 30 miles from my home, showing a view of Long's Peak from the plains of Colorado.
 
   -Bruce Daily
   #1221


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Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 7:20 AM


  




I copied this off of PE
 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=O2WksiotTjw

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-16 by Bruce Daily

I'm with you on that, Fritz.  Mixing 16, 24, or 32  tracks was like playing an instrument!  It got easier after the automated consoles were introduced.  
   I took a recording course in 1977.  The engineer described how they could not fade in and out a bad section of a track of a 24 track master quickly enough.  The rest of the track was sublime, but there was one moment that was bad.  So, they isolated the glitch by cutting it out with a razor blade, creating a small "window" in the 2" tape.  No computer manipulations in those days.  It did cost them reel of rather expensive tape.
   -Bruce D.


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Ya gotta love all the limitations of tape.  The youngsters who grew up on digi only don't know the frustration and subsequent rewards of fighting tape.  Learning multitrack tape should be mandatory for all music engineering and production curriculum.  How many times I have been stressed out punching a full band or orchestra!!  That will drive you to drinking...

I've got some 4-track stuff from the mid-80's that I need to re-master and make available.  It's pretty good music and was an engineering nightmare/delight. ..no DAW's or computers at all!!


fritz










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Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it


  




I copied this off of PE
 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=O2WksiotTjw

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-16 by Gary Brumm

We used to play this song using a Freeman String Machine to support the vocals.....great tune!
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

Have you ever had to "spot erase" something?  That and a razor blade were the editing tools.


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   I'm with you on that, Fritz.  Mixing 16, 24, or 32  tracks was like playing an instrument!  It got easier after the automated consoles were introduced.  
   I took a recording course in 1977.  The engineer described how they could not fade in and out a bad section of a track of a 24 track master quickly enough.  The rest of the track was sublime, but there was one moment that was bad.  So, they isolated the glitch by cutting it out with a razor blade, creating a small "window" in the 2" tape.  No computer manipulations in those days.  It did cost them reel of rather expensive tape.
   -Bruce D.


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From: fdoddy@aol.com <fdoddy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 9:55 AM


  
Ya gotta love all the limitations of tape.  The youngsters who grew up on digi only don't know the frustration and subsequent rewards of fighting tape.  Learning multitrack tape should be mandatory for all music engineering and production curriculum.  How many times I have been stressed out punching a full band or orchestra!!  That will drive you to drinking...

I've got some 4-track stuff from the mid-80's that I need to re-master and make available.  It's pretty good music and was an engineering nightmare/delight. ..no DAW's or computers at all!!


fritz










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I copied this off of PE
 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=O2WksiotTjw

Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-16 by zogher

Yes, easier said than done, as well. Regarding spot erasing and dropping in, success is somewhat dependent on the machine (e.g., difficult to get tight on an old 3M M23, maybe easier on an MM1200 or Studer A800), but very much an art form, IMO. 

Chris

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> Have you ever had to "spot erase" something?  That and a razor blade were the editing tools.

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-18 by Ms. Janet Strauss

I was skydiving a lot that summer when this came out.for me - this tune
captured the feeling of  hanging solo in the clouds at 2,500 feet..

 

Always think if that when I hear it now.

 

Jim
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-18 by john barrick

What - not the ground rushing up to caress you?


Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
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> Always think if that when I hear it now.
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> Jim
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> I copied this off of PE
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WksiotTjw 
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RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-18 by Ms. Janet Strauss

Naw...I like the ethereal sound and view up high.
But then, that was the seventies.

Here's what the kidz with madskilz at the DZ today like to listen to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZXcn67Ej4&feature=related
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What - not the ground rushing up to caress you?


Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
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> I was skydiving a lot that summer when this came out.for me - this 
> tune captured the feeling of hanging solo in the clouds at 2,500 feet..
>
> Always think if that when I hear it now.
>
> Jim
>
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> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it
>
> I copied this off of PE
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WksiotTjw 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WksiotTjw>
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they did it

2010-07-18 by Bill Rudloff

Was this thread started because of last week's Top Gear when Richard 
Hammond was trying to chauffeur a groom and best man in an Aston Martin 
Rapide?  In that bit Richard got his iPod to play in the car's audio 
system and this 10cc song came up.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff
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>  Naw...I like the ethereal sound and view up high.
>  But then, that was the seventies.
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>  Here's what the kidz with madskilz at the DZ today like to listen 
> to...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZXcn67Ej4&feature=related
>
>  -----Original Message-----
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>  [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
>  Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:04 PM
>  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they 
> did it
>
>  What - not the ground rushing up to caress you?
>
>  Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
>  >
>  > I was skydiving a lot that summer when this came out.for me - this
>  > tune captured the feeling of hanging solo in the clouds at 2,500 
> feet..
>  >
>  > Always think if that when I hear it now.
>  >
>  > Jim
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>  > *Subject:* [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10cc Wall of sound... how they 
> did it
>  >
>  > I copied this off of PE
>  >
>  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WksiotTjw
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