The Mellotron Group

Does anybody know which organ sound they used? Any recommendations for 
musical examples of the MkII organs? I know that Pinder used the Church 
Organ sound extensively, but what about the other organs?

Bernie

In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org  
writes:

The Cirkus  organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- I played 
it on Jerry  Korb’s MkI last summer.
The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the  MkII.



According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the  outset, there are 
no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII.  They are all  Lowrey.
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink._ (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)

The Cirkus organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- I played it on Jerry Korb\u2019s MkI last summer.
The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the MkII.


Does anybody know which organ sound they used? Any recommendations for
musical examples of the MkII organs? I know that Pinder used the Church
Organ sound extensively, but what about the other organs?

Bernie

Thanks for the info. This contradicts the listing of lead sounds on Markus\u2019 site.







In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org writes:

The Cirkus organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- I played it on Jerry Korb\u2019s MkI last summer.
The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the MkII.

According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the outset, there are no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII. They are all Lowrey.

M

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

In a message dated 07/07/2008 21:21:38 GMT Standard Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

Then  Markus MUST DIE.



And everyone in the WHOLE WORLD.
 
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(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
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Was this recorded direct or amped?

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: tronbros@aol.com
Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Verzonden: 7-7-08 21:45
Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus

 
 
In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org  
writes:

The Cirkus  organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- I played 
it on Jerry  Korb’s MkI last summer.
The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the  MkII.



According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the  outset, there are 
no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII.  They are all  Lowrey.
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink._ (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)

Was this recorded direct or amped?

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: tronbros@aol.com
Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Verzonden: 7-7-08 21:45
Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus

 
 
In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org  
writes:

The Cirkus  organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- I played 
it on Jerry  Korb’s MkI last summer.
The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the  MkII.



According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the  outset, there are 
no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII.  They are all  Lowrey.
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink._ (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
>
>  
>  
> In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time, 
tomdcour@...  
> writes:
> 
> The Cirkus  organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- 
I played 
> it on Jerry  Korb’s MkI last summer.
> The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the  MkII.
> 
> 
> 
> According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the  outset, 
there are 
> no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII.  They are all  Lowrey.
>  
> M
>  

Oh yeah, it's been mentioned here before. I've got to stop using 
Marcus' and M-Tron's naming conventions and refer to the station 
location instead.

so...

Right keyboard:

Station 1C - Is this the Cirkus organ?

Station 5A - How about this one?

Station 5C - Maybe this one?

Station 6C - both Mellotron.com and Chandor Chasma refer to this as 
Church Organ. I believe this is the one on Seven Stones and the one 
that Pinder favored.

Is the organ on the left keyboard the same as any of the above?

What is the Harpsichord Effect? Is it not a real harpsichord?

Bernie

A case of my substandard ears again, I hadn't noticed before that it was!

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Jon <jonesalley@cox.net> wrote:

From: Jon <jonesalley@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 11:56 AM










    
            


---If you happened to have one sitting around, yes, 
but it wouldn't sound like a Mellotron then.
 
 
 


  
  
    Wouldn't it be simpler just to use a Lowrey 
  organ?

I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the Cirkus sound
although someone who actually owns  a MkII would know for sure. I've
played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample disk and it
sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church organ is the
sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end if I am
mistaken in any of this!

> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time,
> tomdcour@...
>> writes:
>>
>> The Cirkus  organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think-
> I played
>> it on Jerry  Korb\u2019s MkI last summer.
>> The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the  MkII.
>>
>>
>>
>> According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the  outset,
> there are
>> no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII.  They are all  Lowrey.
>>
>> M
>>
>
> Oh yeah, it's been mentioned here before. I've got to stop using
> Marcus' and M-Tron's naming conventions and refer to the station
> location instead.
>
> so...
>
> Right keyboard:
>
> Station 1C - Is this the Cirkus organ?
>
> Station 5A - How about this one?
>
> Station 5C - Maybe this one?
>
> Station 6C - both Mellotron.com and Chandor Chasma refer to this as
> Church Organ. I believe this is the one on Seven Stones and the one
> that Pinder favored.
>
> Is the organ on the left keyboard the same as any of the above?
>
> What is the Harpsichord Effect? Is it not a real harpsichord?
>
> Bernie
>
>
>

In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tomdcour@amnh.org writes:

I  think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the Cirkus  sound
although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure.  I've
played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample disk and  it
sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church organ is  the
sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end if I  am
mistaken in any of this!



I do have Mike Pinder's  original tapes from my #134 which would clear the 
mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has  had bespoke tapes in it since its restoration in 
2003-2004, and my memory isn't  that good.  Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard 
MkII tapes, so he could  readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe 
that Brian is on this  list.
 
6C is definitely Pinder's  choice.
 
Frank  Samagaio



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fuel-efficient used cars.      (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit. 

Mark
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com> wrote:

From: MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM










    
            



In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
I 
  think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the Cirkus 
  sound
although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure. 
  I've
played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample disk and 
  it
sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church organ is 
  the
sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end if I 
  am
mistaken in any of this!


I do have Mike Pinder's 
original tapes from my #134 which would clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has 
had bespoke tapes in it since its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't 
that good.  Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could 
readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian is on this 
list.
 
6C is definitely Pinder's 
choice.
 
Frank 
Samagaio


Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

Forgive me if you put a little smiley face at the end there and I didn't 
receive it, Mark, but that's a fairly major undertaking.
jb


Mark Pring wrote:

>
> I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.
>
> Mark
> --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol.com /<MAinPsych@aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com>
>     Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
>     To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM
>
>     In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>     tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
>
>         I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the
>         Cirkus sound
>         although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure.
>         I've
>         played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample
>         disk and it
>         sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church
>         organ is the
>         sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end
>         if I am
>         mistaken in any of this!
>
>     *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which would
>     clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in it since
>     its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that good. 
>     Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could
>     readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian
>     is on this list.*
>     ** 
>     *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*
>     ** 
>     *Frank Samagaio*
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
>     used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>.
>
>
>

Hi John, the smiley face was there, but what the hell it's only 60 feet of tape times 35 keys, you wouldn't need to bother doing the rythmn section!  :)

Mark


--- On Tue, 7/8/08, john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
From: john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:26 PM










    
            Forgive me if you put a little smiley face at the end there and I didn't 

receive it, Mark, but that's a fairly major undertaking.

jb



Mark Pring wrote:

>

> I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.

>

> Mark

> --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol. com /<MAinPsych@aol. com>/* wrote:

>

>     From: MAinPsych@aol. com <MAinPsych@aol. com>

>     Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus

>     To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com

>     Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM

>

>     In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

>     tomdcour@amnh. org writes:

>

>         I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the

>         Cirkus sound

>         although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure.

>         I've

>         played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample

>         disk and it

>         sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church

>         organ is the

>         sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end

>         if I am

>         mistaken in any of this!

>

>     *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which would

>     clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in it since

>     its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that good. 

>     Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could

>     readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian

>     is on this list.*

>     ** 

>     *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*

>     ** 

>     *Frank Samagaio*

>

>

>

>     ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>     Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient

>     used cars <http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050 000000007>.

>

>

>

Well why didn't you say so in the first place...


Mark Pring wrote:

>
> Hi John, the smiley face was there, but what the hell it's only 60 
> feet of tape times 35 keys, you wouldn't need to bother doing the 
> rythmn section!  :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, john barrick /<astroboy@cinci.rr.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com>
>     Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
>     To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:26 PM
>
>     Forgive me if you put a little smiley face at the end there and I
>     didn't
>     receive it, Mark, but that's a fairly major undertaking.
>     jb
>
>     Mark Pring wrote:
>     >
>     > I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.
>     >
>     > Mark
>     > --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol. com
>     <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com> /<MAinPsych@aol. com
>     <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>/* wrote:
>     >
>     > From: MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>
>     <MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>
>     > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
>     > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM
>     >
>     > In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>     > tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
>     >
>     > I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the
>     > Cirkus sound
>     > although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure.
>     > I've
>     > played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample
>     > disk and it
>     > sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church
>     > organ is the
>     > sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end
>     > if I am
>     > mistaken in any of this!
>     >
>     > *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which would
>     > clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in it since
>     > its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that good.
>     > Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could
>     > readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian
>     > is on this list.*
>     > **
>     > *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*
>     > **
>     > *Frank Samagaio*
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>     > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
>     > used cars <http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050
>     000000007 <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>>.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>

In a message dated 07/07/2008 21:42:19 GMT Standard Time,  
hessel@soundscape.nl writes:

Was  this recorded direct or amped?



Interestingly.............or maybe not, TCotCK (abbreviated just to  
annoy)was recorded by sending the MKII through a Wem stack and miking that(or so  
we've been told) but when the MKIIs came into us, they had been modified to a  
1/4" jack output and maybe this was for direct injection but who knows for  
certain.  I don't, my mum Betty doesn't and neither does the bloke  down the pub 
with a whippet.  
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink._ (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)

I just realized that 1C could be the organ on the second half of the 
Mellotron demo video because the other instrument is electric 
guitar; that is, assuming the Tron in the video is a MkII and not a 
MkI.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick 
<astroboy@...> wrote:
>
> Well why didn't you say so in the first place...
> 
> 
> Mark Pring wrote:
> >
> > Hi John, the smiley face was there, but what the hell it's only 
60 
> > feet of tape times 35 keys, you wouldn't need to bother doing 
the 
> > rythmn section!  :)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, john barrick /<astroboy@...>/* wrote:
> >
> >     From: john barrick <astroboy@...>
> >     Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> >     To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >     Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:26 PM
> >
> >     Forgive me if you put a little smiley face at the end there 
and I
> >     didn't
> >     receive it, Mark, but that's a fairly major undertaking.
> >     jb
> >
> >     Mark Pring wrote:
> >     >
> >     > I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.
> >     >
> >     > Mark
> >     > --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol. com
> >     <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com> /<MAinPsych@aol. com
> >     <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>/* wrote:
> >     >
> >     > From: MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>
> >     <MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>
> >     > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> >     > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> >     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> >     > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM
> >     >
> >     > In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight 
Time,
> >     > tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
> >     >
> >     > I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the
> >     > Cirkus sound
> >     > although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for 
sure.
> >     > I've
> >     > played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample
> >     > disk and it
> >     > sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church
> >     > organ is the
> >     > sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world 
end
> >     > if I am
> >     > mistaken in any of this!
> >     >
> >     > *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which 
would
> >     > clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in 
it since
> >     > its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that 
good.
> >     > Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could
> >     > readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe 
that Brian
> >     > is on this list.*
> >     > **
> >     > *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*
> >     > **
> >     > *Frank Samagaio*
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------
--- -
> >     > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-
efficient
> >     > used cars <http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050
> >     000000007 <http://autos.aol.com/used?
ncid=aolaut00050000000007>>.

> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >
> >
> >
>

Do you know if the MKII's original organ sounds were taken from a direct
output on the Lowrey?

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros@aol.com
Sent: dinsdag 8 juli 2008 13:35
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus

 

In a message dated 07/07/2008 21:42:19 GMT Standard Time,
hessel@soundscape.nl writes:

Was this recorded direct or amped?

Interestingly.............or maybe not, TCotCK (abbreviated just to
annoy)was recorded by sending the MKII through a Wem stack and miking
that(or so we've been told) but when the MKIIs came into us, they had been
modified to a 1/4" jack output and maybe this was for direct injection but
who knows for certain.  I don't, my mum Betty doesn't and neither does the
bloke down the pub with a whippet.  

 

M

 

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/> 
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>  JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>

In a message dated 08/07/2008 13:23:07 GMT Standard Time,  
hessel@soundscape.nl writes:

Do you know if the MKII’s  original organ sounds were taken from a direct 
output on the  Lowrey?


Miked through a Leslie, Mr Hessel.
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink._ (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)

How convenient J

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros@aol.com
Sent: dinsdag 8 juli 2008 14:48
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus

 

In a message dated 08/07/2008 13:23:07 GMT Standard Time, hessel@soundscape.nl writes:

Do you know if the MKII’s original organ sounds were taken from a direct output on the Lowrey?

Miked through a Leslie, Mr Hessel.

 

M

 

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/> 
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>  JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>

In a message dated 7/8/2008 4:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tronbros@aol.com writes:

 
 
In a message dated 07/07/2008 21:42:19 GMT Standard Time,  
hessel@soundscape.nl writes:

Was  this recorded direct or amped?



Interestingly.............or maybe not, TCotCK (abbreviated just to  
annoy)was recorded by sending the MKII through a Wem stack and miking that(or  so 
we've been told) but when the MKIIs came into us, they had been modified to  a 
1/4" jack output and maybe this was for direct injection but who knows for  
certain.  I don't, my mum Betty doesn't and neither does the bloke  down the pub 
with a whippet.  
 
M



According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII  was put through a 
Marshall stack and miked.
 
My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn  trait?
 
How soon we forget,
Frank Samagaio
San Diego CA
owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
author, The Mellotron Book
 



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On Tue 08/07/08  9:54 AM , MAinPsych@aol.com sent:
   According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII  was
put through a Marshall stack and miked.   My question: Does Martin
feign ignorance or is that an inborn  trait?   How soon we forget,
Frank Samagaio San Diego CA owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
author, The Mellotron Book  
 In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is what
Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the album. I can't
see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to something else in the
studio. They tried to record the album as much "off the floor" as they
could and it seems to me that they'd just drag their usual equipment
into the studio and play.
 Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give
this discussion a lead or two.
 Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he talked to
you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably just think
"that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In my experience,
sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of saxes and what reeds
and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care less about amplifiers.
Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
 Rick

In a message dated 7/8/2008 8:10:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

In all the photos of that-era KC that  I've seen, they're using HiWatt stacks 
(they were also endorsers of HiWatt)  and this is what Ian told me in 2005 
they used for the recording of the album. I can't  see them using HiWatt onstage 
and switching to something else in the studio.  They tried to record the 
album as much "off the floor" as they could and it  seems to me that they'd just 
drag their usual equipment into the studio and  play.

Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give  this 
discussion a lead or two.

Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what  they'd used when he talked to you, 
Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd  probably just think "that bloody big 
amp behind me" when he was playing. In my  experience, sax players get big 
johnsons discussing makes of saxes and what  reeds and mouthpieces they like. 
They couldn't care less about amplifiers.  Guitarists, on the other hand...  ;)

Rick



That may well be so.  I recall one other time that he wasn't  so sure, 
stating either a Marshall or a Hiwatt stack.  Remember, Pinder's  memory wasn't all 
that hot either (by his own admission).  Gotta get back  to my Selmer Series 
10 with Selmer mouthpiece, reverse ligature, and  Vandoren reeds...

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In a message dated 08/07/2008 14:55:24 GMT Standard Time, MAinPsych@aol.com  
writes:

My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn  trait?

I mainly find this tedious and a distraction!  If I get it wrong I  really 
don't care one jot.   
 
M

 
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Yeah.. Give me a HiWatt over a Marshal any day!

 

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:10 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus

 





On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@aol.com sent:

 

According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII was put through a
Marshall stack and miked.

 

My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn trait?

 

How soon we forget,

Frank Samagaio

San Diego CA

owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908

author, The Mellotron Book


In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using HiWatt stacks
(they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is what Ian told me in 2005
they used for the recording of the album. I can't see them using HiWatt
onstage and switching to something else in the studio. They tried to record
the album as much "off the floor" as they could and it seems to me that
they'd just drag their usual equipment into the studio and play.

Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give this
discussion a lead or two.

Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he talked to you,
Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably just think "that bloody
big amp behind me" when he was playing. In my experience, sax players get
big johnsons discussing makes of saxes and what reeds and mouthpieces they
like. They couldn't care less about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other
hand... ;)

Rick

Hey Martin,

 

Tell us more about the condition of the Crimson trons when you received
them. The famous pictures on the web show one of the Mark II's (the one with
the handles on the side) almost completely destroyed. I saw Ian bash the top
of that tron during Mars at the West Palm Beach Festival in 1969. No
wonder..

 

So what did you have to do to restore them?

On Tue 08/07/08 11:40 AM , MAinPsych@aol.com sent:
   That may well be so.  I recall one other time that he wasn't  so
sure, stating either a Marshall or a Hiwatt stack.  Remember, Pinder's
 memory wasn't all that hot either (by his own admission).  Gotta get
back  to my Selmer Series 10 with Selmer mouthpiece, reverse ligature,
and  Vandoren reeds... 
 Frank
 No, no, no! It's got to be a Berg Larsen mouthpiece, otherwise
you'll probably sound like one of those bloody classical players!
Although, with the Larsen, you might want to have the facing reground
to open it up more.
 Rick

On Tue 08/07/08  3:57 PM , "David Jacques" djacques@csulb.edu sent:
	Hey Martin, 
	Tell us more about the condition of the Crimson trons when you
received them. The famous pictures on the web show one of the Mark
II’s (the one with the handles on the side) almost completely
destroyed. I saw Ian bash the top of that tron during Mars at the West
Palm Beach Festival in 1969. No wonder…. 
	So what did you have to do to restore them?
	Martin told me that one of them was rabid and had to be put down.

Great story, Martin. and thanks.

 

Watching King Crimson Mark I play for two days of that festival certainly
changed my musical life. As a 14 year old hearing real progressive rock with
a Mellotron was certainly inspirational. Ever since sitting in the rain that
cold Friday night I have been enamored with the history of that band.. 

 

When I saw the pictures of the Crimson trons on the web I could not believe
how they could be in such disastrous shape. Such history. I am glad that the
Poseidon tron is safe with you guys. 

 

DJ

 

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:53 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Trons

 

Okay Dave, you asked nicely!

 

Both MKIIs had been stored in a removal company's lockup and were covered
head to toe in black, sticky diesel dust.  They were unbelievably rough.
Bearing in mind that these were the first restorations for John and myself
and I had no knowledge whatsoever of procedures.  I couldn't even take the
keyboards off and so I was given very menial tasks and rightly so.  John
stripped them down to the components and built them back up, cleaning
everything prior to reassembly.  Not polishing and gleaming, just removing
the years of filth.  Luckily the tapes had been cycled to safe positions
where the majority was spooled and clean.  Just the hanging loops needed the
alcohol treatment.  I think John may have had to strengthen the cabinets but
this was in 1990 and a long time ago.  Anyway, they worked and we took the
CK MKII down to Real World for the recording of Thrak along with Roberts
M400s.  They were in a semi circle in the control room and they worked a
treat but got little use sadly.  The Wake of P. MKII has been with us ever
since and now needs restoring again along with the M400s.  Sad considering
the time and effort and little money earned.  That's not Robert's fault, we
just undercharged enormously in those naive days.  It was a hobby and we
were working on the Crimso 'trons.  What a fix!

 

Best,

 

Martin

 

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www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/> 
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>  JMoore6397@aol.com
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Okay Dave, you asked nicely!
 
Both MKIIs had been stored in a removal company's lockup and were covered  
head to toe in black, sticky diesel dust.  They were unbelievably  rough.  
Bearing in mind that these were the first restorations for John and  myself and I 
had no knowledge whatsoever of procedures.  I couldn't even  take the keyboards 
off and so I was given very menial tasks and rightly  so.  John stripped them 
down to the components and built them back up,  cleaning everything prior to 
reassembly.  Not polishing and gleaming, just  removing the years of filth.  
Luckily the tapes had been cycled to safe  positions where the majority was 
spooled and clean.  Just the hanging loops  needed the alcohol treatment.  I 
think John may have had to strengthen the  cabinets but this was in 1990 and a 
long time ago.  Anyway, they  worked and we took the CK MKII down to Real World 
for the recording of Thrak  along with Roberts M400s.  They were in a semi 
circle in the control room  and they worked a treat but got little use sadly.  The 
Wake of P. MKII has  been with us ever since and now needs restoring again 
along with the  M400s.  Sad considering the time and effort and little money 
earned.   That's not Robert's fault, we just undercharged enormously in those 
naive  days.  It was a hobby and we were working on the Crimso 'trons.  What  a 
fix!
 
Best,
 
Martin
 
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_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

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(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
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tronbros@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 07/07/2008 21:42:19 GMT Standard Time, 
> hessel@soundscape.nl writes:
>
>     Was this recorded direct or amped?
>
> Interestingly.............or maybe not, TCotCK (abbreviated just to 
> annoy)was recorded by sending the MKII through a Wem stack and miking 
> that(or so we've been told) but when the MKIIs came into us, they had 
> been modified to a 1/4" jack output and maybe this was for direct 
> injection but who knows for certain.  I don't, my mum Betty doesn't 
> and neither does the bloke down the pub with a whippet.


Have you asked the whippet?

Ian /_*definitely *_/told me it was HiWatt. Mind you, he was pissed at 
the time.

Mike


Rick Blechta wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@aol.com sent:
>
>
>     According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII was put
>     through a Marshall stack and miked.
>      
>     My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn trait?
>      
>     How soon we forget,
>     Frank Samagaio
>     San Diego CA
>     owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
>     author, The Mellotron Book
>
>     In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
>     HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
>     what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the album.
>     I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to something
>     else in the studio. They tried to record the album as much "off
>     the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just drag
>     their usual equipment into the studio and play.
>
>     Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give
>     this discussion a lead or two.
>
>     Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he talked
>     to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably just
>     think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In my
>     experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of saxes
>     and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care less
>     about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
>
>     Rick
>
>
>
>

Peter Sinfield tells the story about how the 'Poseidon' Mk II fell 
twenty feet down a flight of stairs and missed him by a foot. This may 
account for the fact that it looks like it has had a hard life. And 
probably Peter Sinfield too.

Mike

David Jacques wrote:

>
> Great story, Martin\ufffd and thanks\ufffd
>
> Watching King Crimson Mark I play for two days of that festival 
> certainly changed my musical life. As a 14 year old hearing real 
> progressive rock with a Mellotron was certainly inspirational. Ever 
> since sitting in the rain that cold Friday night I have been enamored 
> with the history of that band\ufffd.
>
> When I saw the pictures of the Crimson trons on the web I could not 
> believe how they could be in such disastrous shape. Such history\ufffd I am 
> glad that the Poseidon tron is safe with you guys.
>
> DJ
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *tronbros@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:53 AM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Trons
>
> Okay Dave, you asked nicely!
>
> Both MKIIs had been stored in a removal company's lockup and were 
> covered head to toe in black, sticky diesel dust. They were 
> unbelievably rough. Bearing in mind that these were the first 
> restorations for John and myself and I had no knowledge whatsoever of 
> procedures. I couldn't even take the keyboards off and so I was given 
> very menial tasks and rightly so. John stripped them down to the 
> components and built them back up, cleaning everything prior to 
> reassembly. Not polishing and gleaming, just removing the years of 
> filth. Luckily the tapes had been cycled to safe positions where the 
> majority was spooled and clean. Just the hanging loops needed the 
> alcohol treatment. I think John may have had to strengthen the 
> cabinets but this was in 1990 and a long time ago. Anyway, they worked 
> and we took the CK MKII down to Real World for the recording of Thrak 
> along with Roberts M400s. They were in a semi circle in the control 
> room and they worked a treat but got little use sadly. The Wake of P. 
> MKII has been with us ever since and now needs restoring again along 
> with the M400s. Sad considering the time and effort and little money 
> earned. That's not Robert's fault, we just undercharged enormously in 
> those naive days. It was a hobby and we were working on the Crimso 
> 'trons. What a fix!
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> **_
> www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>_*_
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
> US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>_
>
>

And I thought that falling B3's were dangerous.  
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:24:16 
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Trons


Peter Sinfield tells the story about how the 'Poseidon' Mk II fell 
twenty feet down a flight of stairs and missed him by a foot. This may 
account for the fact that it looks like it has had a hard life. And 
probably Peter Sinfield too.

Mike

David Jacques wrote:
>
> Great story, Martin… and thanks…
>
> Watching King Crimson Mark I play for two days of that festival 
> certainly changed my musical life. As a 14 year old hearing real 
> progressive rock with a Mellotron was certainly inspirational. Ever 
> since sitting in the rain that cold Friday night I have been enamored 
> with the history of that band….
>
> When I saw the pictures of the Crimson trons on the web I could not 
> believe how they could be in such disastrous shape. Such history… I am 
> glad that the Poseidon tron is safe with you guys.
>
> DJ
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *tronbros@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:53 AM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Trons
>
> Okay Dave, you asked nicely!
>
> Both MKIIs had been stored in a removal company's lockup and were 
> covered head to toe in black, sticky diesel dust. They were 
> unbelievably rough. Bearing in mind that these were the first 
> restorations for John and myself and I had no knowledge whatsoever of 
> procedures. I couldn't even take the keyboards off and so I was given 
> very menial tasks and rightly so. John stripped them down to the 
> components and built them back up, cleaning everything prior to 
> reassembly. Not polishing and gleaming, just removing the years of 
> filth. Luckily the tapes had been cycled to safe positions where the 
> majority was spooled and clean. Just the hanging loops needed the 
> alcohol treatment. I think John may have had to strengthen the 
> cabinets but this was in 1990 and a long time ago. Anyway, they worked 
> and we took the CK MKII down to Real World for the recording of Thrak 
> along with Roberts M400s. They were in a semi circle in the control 
> room and they worked a treat but got little use sadly. The Wake of P. 
> MKII has been with us ever since and now needs restoring again along 
> with the M400s. Sad considering the time and effort and little money 
> earned. That's not Robert's fault, we just undercharged enormously in 
> those naive days. It was a hobby and we were working on the Crimso 
> 'trons. What a fix!
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> **_
> www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>_*_
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
> US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>_
>
>  



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In a message dated 7/8/2008 9:55:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
MAinPsych@aol.com writes:

My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn  trait?


 
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In a message dated 7/8/2008 4:24:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

This may  
account for the fact that it looks like it has had a hard life. And  
probably Peter Sinfield too.




So you are saying that the Mellotron probably looks like Peter Sinfield  too?
 
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Hiwatts are clean, Marshalls are not. Unless you are going to play
"Smoke on the Water", the Marshall won't work very well.


On 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  In either event, it was miked, not direct, which answers the basic
> question.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
>  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 1:20 pm
>  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ian /_*definitely *_/told me it was HiWatt. Mind you, he was pissed at
>  the time.
>
>  Mike
>
>  Rick Blechta wrote:
>
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@aol.com sent:
>  >
>  >
>  > According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII was put
>  > through a Marshall stack and miked.
>  >
>  > My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn trait?
>  >
>  > How soon we forget,
>  > Frank Samagaio
>  > San Diego CA
>  > owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
>  > author, The Mellotron Book
>  >
>  > In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
>  > HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
>  > what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the album.
>  > I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to something
>  > else in the studio. They tried to record the album as much "off
>  > the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just drag
>  > their usual equipment into the studio and play.
>  >
>  > Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give
>  > this discussion a lead or two.
>  >
>  > Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he talked
>  > to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably just
>  > think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In my
>  > experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of saxes
>  > and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care less
>  > about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
>  >
>  > Rick
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
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There are some Moodies video clips from a German TV show (which I 
can't find at the moment) where he's running his MkII through a 
Marshall head and it sounds pretty clean. I don't remember what he 
was using for speakers though. KC's Devil's Triangle has a nice bite 
to the Tron. Can a Hiwatt sound like that if overdriven?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "gino wong" 
<wonggster@...> wrote:
>
> Hiwatts are clean, Marshalls are not. Unless you are going to play
> "Smoke on the Water", the Marshall won't work very well.
> 
> 
> On 7/8/08, MAinPsych@... <MAinPsych@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  In either event, it was miked, not direct, which answers the 
basic
> > question.
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> >  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >  Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 1:20 pm
> >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian /_*definitely *_/told me it was HiWatt. Mind you, he was 
pissed at
> >  the time.
> >
> >  Mike
> >
> >  Rick Blechta wrote:
> >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@... sent:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII 
was put
> >  > through a Marshall stack and miked.
> >  >
> >  > My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn 
trait?
> >  >
> >  > How soon we forget,
> >  > Frank Samagaio
> >  > San Diego CA
> >  > owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
> >  > author, The Mellotron Book
> >  >
> >  > In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
> >  > HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
> >  > what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the 
album.
> >  > I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to 
something
> >  > else in the studio. They tried to record the album as 
much "off
> >  > the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just 
drag
> >  > their usual equipment into the studio and play.
> >  >
> >  > Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could 
give
> >  > this discussion a lead or two.
> >  >
> >  > Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he 
talked
> >  > to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably 
just
> >  > think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In 
my
> >  > experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of 
saxes
> >  > and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care 
less
> >  > about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
> >  >
> >  > Rick
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. Get the 
TMZ Toolbar
> > Now!
> >
> >  
> 
> 
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> Odd rare unusual and maligned electronic devices such as: 
Davolisint

> (Found One !!), Kawai, Teisco synthesizers, other rarely remembered
> items
> 
> µû¼ê
> Gino Wong
> Engineer, Studio Supervisor
> LBPH
> (800) 222-1754
>

On 7/9/08, Bernie <kornowicz@cox.net> wrote:
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> There are some Moodies video clips from a German TV show (which I
>  can't find at the moment) where he's running his MkII through a
>  Marshall head and it sounds pretty clean. I don't remember what he
>  was using for speakers though.

If not speaking in general terms , anything is possible. I just got a
WEM pa head that sounds good.

KC's Devil's Triangle has a nice bite
>  to the Tron. Can a Hiwatt sound like that if overdriven?

Sure, if you apply a hot signal
>

>  Bernie
>
>  --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "gino wong"
>  <wonggster@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Hiwatts are clean, Marshalls are not. Unless you are going to play
>  > "Smoke on the Water", the Marshall won't work very well.
>  >
>  >
>  > On 7/8/08, MAinPsych@... <MAinPsych@...> wrote:
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>  > > In either event, it was miked, not direct, which answers the
>  basic
>  > > question.
>  > >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
>  > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>  > > Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 1:20 pm
>  > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
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>  > >
>  > > Ian /_*definitely *_/told me it was HiWatt. Mind you, he was
>  pissed at
>  > > the time.
>  > >
>  > > Mike
>  > >
>  > > Rick Blechta wrote:
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>  > > > On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@... sent:
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>  > > > According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII
>  was put
>  > > > through a Marshall stack and miked.
>  > > >
>  > > > My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn
>  trait?
>  > > >
>  > > > How soon we forget,
>  > > > Frank Samagaio
>  > > > San Diego CA
>  > > > owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
>  > > > author, The Mellotron Book
>  > > >
>  > > > In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
>  > > > HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
>  > > > what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the
>  album.
>  > > > I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to
>  something
>  > > > else in the studio. They tried to record the album as
>  much "off
>  > > > the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just
>  drag
>  > > > their usual equipment into the studio and play.
>  > > >
>  > > > Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could
>  give
>  > > > this discussion a lead or two.
>  > > >
>  > > > Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he
>  talked
>  > > > to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably
>  just
>  > > > think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In
>  my
>  > > > experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of
>  saxes
>  > > > and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care
>  less
>  > > > about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
>  > > >
>  > > > Rick
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Wanted:
Odd rare unusual and maligned electronic devices such as: Davolisint
(Found One !!), Kawai, Teisco synthesizers, other rarely remembered
items

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Gino Wong
Engineer, Studio Supervisor
LBPH
(800) 222-1754