The Mellotron Group

I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
 If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?

Hi all-
  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using a 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.  Would the group have resented the use of pre-recorded vocals over their own?  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.  If so, maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.
  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
 
  Pondering-
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM


  




I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put together which is what happened on the M1 model.
 
The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
 
 


On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@yahoo.com> wrote:


  



I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?

.heh heh.

 

You mean,  like at the 1:05 mark in this vid....?  LOL

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI

 

Ray sure gets into it ..physically..and the 'Tron sounds ok.

 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices

 

  

It must have been considered.  Just listen to any of their live performances
and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that
overpower Hayward's leads. 

john

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

  


Hi all-

  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using a 'Tron or Chamby choir when
it became available.  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.
Would the group have resented the use of pre-recorded vocals over their own?
I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.  If so, maybe they considered
recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.

  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.

 

  Pondering-

 

   -Bruce D.



--- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM

 

  

I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the
Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing
big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and
single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put together which
is what happened on the M1 model.

 

The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but
only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir
sound. 

 

 

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@yahoo.com
<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=charel196@yahoo.com> > wrote:

  

I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies,
or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and
Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on
Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as
a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the
M400?

Yeah, they were vocally out of tune in concert.  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for the most part).  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instruments back then.  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.  I bet they had some good nights, though.
  I wonder if they use Autotune live now.  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, had it been available then it could've helped the old Moodies.
 
  -Bruce D.


--- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:

From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM


  





…heh heh.
 
You mean,  like at the 1:05 mark in this vid……..?  LOL
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
 
Ray sure gets into it ….physically……and the ‘Tron sounds ok…
 

Jim
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
 
  



It must have been considered.  Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads. 

john

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

  








Hi all-

  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using a 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.  Would the group have resented the use of pre-recorded vocals over their own?  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.  If so, maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.

  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.

 

  Pondering-

 

   -Bruce D.



--- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM

 

  



I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put together which is what happened on the M1 model.

 

The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 

 

 

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@yahoo.com> wrote:

  




I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?

Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now, their live vocals are just fine.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:

>
>   Yeah, they were vocally out of tune in concert.  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for the most part).  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instruments back then.  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.  I bet they had some good nights, though.
>   I wonder if they use Autotune live now.  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, had it been available then it could've helped the old Moodies.
> Â 
> Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@...>
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> …heh heh.
> Â 
> You mean,  like at the 1:05 mark in this vid……..?  LOL
> Â 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
> Â 
> Ray sure gets into it ….physically……and the ‘Tron sounds ok…
> Â 
> 
> Jim
> Â 
> Â 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> Â 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> It must have been considered.  Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads. 
> 
> john
> 
> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all-
> 
>   Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using a 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.  Would the group have resented the use of pre-recorded vocals over their own?  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.  If so, maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.
> 
> Â  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> 
> Â 
> 
> Â  Pondering-
> 
> Â 
> 
> Â Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> 
> Â 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put together which is what happened on the M1 model.
> 
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> 
> The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
> 
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> 
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@...> wrote:
> 
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> 
> 
> I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> Â 
> Â 
>

It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record the notes (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be in the same room...Mike could do his at home.
 Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:

>
> Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now, their live vocals are just fine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >
> >   Yeah, they were vocally out of tune in concert.  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for the most part).  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instruments back then.  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.  I bet they had some good nights, though.
> >   I wonder if they use Autotune live now.  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, had it been available then it could've helped the old Moodies.
> > Â 
> > Â  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > …heh heh.
> > Â 
> > You mean,  like at the 1:05 mark in this vid……..?  LOL
> > Â 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
> > Â 
> > Ray sure gets into it ….physically……and the ‘Tron sounds ok…
> > Â 
> > 
> > Jim
> > Â 
> > Â 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > Â 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It must have been considered.  Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads. 
> > 
> > john
> > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all-
> > 
> >   Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using a 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.  Would the group have resented the use of pre-recorded vocals over their own?  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.  If so, maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.
> > 
> > Â  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â  Pondering-
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â Â  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put together which is what happened on the M1 model.
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> > Â 
> > Â 
> >
>

Thanks.  That was very good.
 
  -Bruce D.


--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:


From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM


  





They sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in hand. 
Almost unplugged.
Background vocals tad subdued…but ok.
 
 
Music starts at 1:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related
 
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
 
  



It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record the notes (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be in the same room...Mike could do his at home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:

>
> Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now, their live vocals are just fine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >
> >   Yeah, they were vocally out of tune in concert.  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for the most part).  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instruments back then.  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.  I bet they had some good nights, though.
> >   I wonder if they use Autotune live now.  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, had it been available then it could've helped the old Moodies.
> > Â 
> > Â  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > …heh heh.
> > Â 
> > You mean,  like at the 1:05 mark in this vid……..?  LOL
> > Â 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
> > Â 
> > Ray sure gets into it ….physically……and the ‘Tron sounds ok…
> > Â 
> > 
> > Jim
> > Â 
> > Â 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > Â 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It must have been considered.  Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads. 
> > 
> > john
> > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all-
> > 
> >   Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using a 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.  Would the group have resented the use of pre-recorded vocals over their own?  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.  If so, maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.
> > 
> > Â  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â  Pondering-
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â Â  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put together which is what happened on the M1 model.
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> > Â 
> > Â 
> >
>

Hi All..

I seems to me that Mike Pinder isn't the only guy on the planet who can play a mellotron.  Given how important it is/was to their sound, why not ditch (most of) their electronic keyboards and bring back a 'tron.  Even if it's gimmicky, a mellotron backed concert with their reduced numbers is a concert I might go to see.

-tem






-----Original Message-----
From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 

Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the Moodies.
john


PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very disconcerting.


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:

  



Mike Pinder.
 
Yeah………………IF only.
I might actually get out and see them again in that case. 
Would like to see him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance to Higher and Higher.
Ughhhhh.
 
 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 
  




They sound great for their age... Still miss Mike...

 


 



On May 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:








 





Thanks.  That was very good.

 

  -Bruce D.



--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:





From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM

 


They sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in hand.

Almost unplugged.

Background vocals tad subdued…but ok.

 


 

Music starts at 1:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related

 

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

 

 






It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record the notes (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be in the same room...Mike could do his at home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:

>
> Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now, their live vocals are just fine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >


> > Ā  Yeah, they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for theĀ most part).Ā  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.Ā  I bet they had some good nights, though.

> > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, hadĀ it been available thenĀ it could've helped the old Moodies.

> > Ā 
> > Ā  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
> > 

> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> > Ā 
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā 

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
> > Ā 

> > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the ā€ Tron sounds okā€¦
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Jim
> > Ā 
> > Ā 

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > Ā 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 

> > It must have been considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā 

> > 
> > john
> > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all-
> > 

> > Ā  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use ofĀ pre-recorded vocals over their own?Ā  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.

> > 
> > Ā  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 

> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  Pondering-
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 

> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 

> > I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put togetherĀ which is what happened on the M1 model.

> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> > Ā 
> > Ā 
> >
>

But a much better flautist!
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 
www.mellotronics.co.uk
NEW for iPad!
MELLOTRONICS M3000HD 
US Sales  East: Jimmy Moore  (http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales  West: Paul Cox  (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/) 
myspace.com/chloesmithmusic  

 
In a message dated 01/06/2011 06:58:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:

Ray is  now gone and his replacement is a young girl flute player - nowhere 
near the  talent, presence or feel that Ray had contributed.

When you distill the Moodies down, you have an astonishingly good  
songwriter in Hayward, a good songwriter in Pinder and a sound the two of them  
masterminded.  The rest are not so talented but the sum of  parts produced 
albums that I loved.  The myth is greater than the  truth.  They got away with it 
live but the limitations revealed how  produced the albums were.  We spoke 
with Tony Clarke and he told us some  revelations that would flatten the 
die-hard fan.  And Lodge is a hideous  songwriter most of the time.
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 
www.mellotronics.co.uk
NEW for iPad!
MELLOTRONICS M3000HD 
US Sales  East: Jimmy Moore  (http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales  West: Paul Cox  (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/) 
myspace.com/chloesmithmusic  

 
In a message dated 01/06/2011 06:58:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
I think the problem was between Graham and Mike back when Mike left in 78,  
but the others were not happy with Pinder remaining in LA.  anyway.


At this point it makes almost no difference though. The  Mellotron is long 
gone, Mike is not writing or performing with them, and Ray  is now gone and 
his replacement is a young girl flute player - nowhere near  the talent, 
presence or feel that Ray had contributed. 

It's nice for  them to carry on the way they do, but it isn't the same. 
It's more like a  cabaret version of them.  I'll stick to the original records 
when I want  to hear them. 


On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, john barrick <_barrickjohn262@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com) >  wrote:


 
 
 
Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get  
patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the  
Moodies. 
john


PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very  disconcerting.  
 



On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss  
<_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ (mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) > wrote:


 
 
 
 
Mike  Pinder. 
Yeah………………IF  only. 
I might actually  get out and see them again in that case.  
Would like to see  him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance 
to Higher and  Higher. 
Ughhhhh. 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of David  Jacques
Sent: Tuesday,  May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
To:  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 



Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re:  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

 
 
 
 

 
They  sound great for their age... Still miss Mike... 
 



 
 
 

 
 
On May 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily  wrote:





 
 
 
 

 

 
 
Thanks.  That was very  good.
 

 
-Bruce D.
 


--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet  Strauss <_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ 
(mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) > wrote:



 

 

From: Ms. Janet Strauss <_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ 
(mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) >
Subject: RE:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Date:  Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM 
 
 
 
 
They  sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in  hand.
Almost  unplugged.
Background  vocals tad subdued…but ok.
 


 

Music  starts at 1:50 
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related) 
 

Jim 
 

-----Original  Message-----
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf  Of Charles
Sent: Monday,  May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK 
 

 



 
 
 
 
 

It wouldn't be that  difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record 
the notes  (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them 
 into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be  in the 
same room...Mike could do his at home.
Okay Martin, how  about it? :)

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@...> 
wrote:
>
> Since they've  been using professional backup singers for years now, 
their live  vocals are just fine.
> 
>  Bernie
> 
> ---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Bruce Daily 
<pocotron@> wrote:
>  >


> > Ā  Yeah,  they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their  studio 
brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for  theĀ most part).Ā  It was 
too bad Justin Hayward didn't  use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā
  Mic systems  weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā   They 
sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in  1981 (with Moraz), 
and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was  still all electric.Ā  I bet 
they had some good nights,  though.

>  > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā   I hate the current 
constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect,  but, hadĀ it been available then
Ā it could've helped the  old Moodies.  

> > Ā 
> > Ā  -Bruce D.
>  > 
> > 
>  > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > 
>  > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup]  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
>  > 
> > 

> > Ā  
>  > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
>  > 
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> >  Ā 
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in  this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā 

> > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI) 
>  > Ā 

> > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the  ā€ Tron sounds ok
ā€¦
> > Ā 
>  > 
> > Jim
> >  Ā 
> > Ā 

> > -----Original Message-----
> >  From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
[mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011  7:35 PM
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> >  Ā 
> > Ā  
>  > 
> > 
>  > 

> > It must have been  considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live 
performances  and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos  
that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā   

> > 
> > john
>  > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10  PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
>  > 
> >  Ā  
> > 
>  > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
>  > 
> > Hi all-
>  > 

> > Ā  Maybe Mike  Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby 
choir  when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their  vocal 
harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use  ofĀ pre-recorded vocals 
over their own?Ā  I wonder if  the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe 
they  considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.  

> > 
> > Ā  It's  ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
>  > 

> > Ā 
>  > 
> > Ā  Pondering-
>  > 
> > Ā 
>  >   

> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
>  > 
> > 
>  > 
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris  Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
>  > 
> > 
>  > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> >  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
>  > 
> > Ā 
>  > 
> >  Ā  
> > 
>  > 
>  > 

> > I don't think the idea  was given serious consideration because both 
the Mellotron and  Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units 
doing big  band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single  Female 
and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds  are put togetherĀ 
which is what happened on the M1 model.  

> > 
> > Ā 
>  > 
> > The idea was first advertised  in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures 
but only as 'voices' and  not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the 
choir  sound. 
> > 
>  > Ā 
> > 
> >  Ā 
> > 
> > On Fri, May  27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
>  > 
> >  Ā  
> > 
>  > 
> > 
>  > 
> > I was always surprised Mike  Pinder never used any choirs with the 
Moodies, or had the band  members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, 
and Mike  making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing  
ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If  Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music  
Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their  units until 
the M400?

> > Ā 
> >  Ā 
> >
>

Grizzled lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear,  in a live setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.

I wouldn't go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing.  Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome btw.


fritz

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


  
    
                  

Whether or not an actual Mellotron is used in their concert might affect their tour attendance by 10 people (mostly from this group J).  
I doubt since like most “tron” groups, they ditched the tron long ago that they would go through the hassle to bring one plus the backups 
on a current tour.  Most watching would never know the difference and even fewer listening.  It was an integral part of their sound as well 
as for Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, and many others.  None of those who used it then would use it now even though financially there is no 
barrier.  Time and technology has prevailed and it has become a collectors piece with a fascinating history but only an avid fanatic (like those 
on this list) would ever use one on tour.  I have never seen the Moodies live but I wouldn’t refuse to see them based on the keyboards they used.  
They are a great band either way!....rough vocals and all…..   Of course YMMV J!
 


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trolldelux@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:44 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

 
  


Hi All..

 

I seems to me that Mike Pinder isn't the only guy on the planet who can play a mellotron.  Given how important it is/was to their sound, why not ditch (most of) their electronic keyboards and bring back a 'tron.  Even if it's gimmicky, a mellotron backed concert with their reduced numbers is a concert I might go to see.

 

-tem

 

-----Original Message-----
From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

  


Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the Moodies. 

john

 

PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very disconcerting.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:

  



Mike Pinder.

 

Yeah………………IF only.

I might actually get out and see them again in that case. 

Would like to see him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance to Higher and Higher.

Ughhhhh.

 

 


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com


Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 

  




They sound great for their age... Still miss Mike...


 



 



On May 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:


 





 





Thanks.  That was very good.


 


  -Bruce D.




--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:





From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM


 



They sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in hand.


Almost unplugged.


Background vocals tad subdued…but ok.


 



 


Music starts at 1:50


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related


 


Jim


 


-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 


 





It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record the notes (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be in the same room...Mike could do his at home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:

>
> Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now, their live vocals are just fine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >


> > Ā  Yeah, they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for theĀ most part).Ā  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.Ā  I bet they had some good nights, though.

> > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, hadĀ it been available thenĀ it could've helped the old Moodies. 


> > Ā 
> > Ā  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
> > 

> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> > Ā 
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā 

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
> > Ā 

> > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the ā€ Tron sounds okā€¦
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Jim
> > Ā 
> > Ā 

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > Ā 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 

> > It must have been considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā  


> > 
> > john
> > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all-
> > 

> > Ā  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use ofĀ pre-recorded vocals over their own?Ā  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron. 


> > 
> > Ā  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 

> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  Pondering-
> > 
> > Ā 
> >  


> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 

> > I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put togetherĀ which is what happened on the M1 model. 


> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> > Ā 
> > Ā 
> >
>

Technically, yes, but too slick I think. She doesn't seem to be able to connect with their music. For all of Ray's technical flaws, I don't think he can be replaced.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:

>
> But a much better flautist!
>  
> M
>  
> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 
> www.mellotronics.co.uk
> NEW for iPad!
> MELLOTRONICS M3000HD 
> US Sales  East: Jimmy Moore  (http://JMoore6397@.../) 
> US Sales  West: Paul Cox  (http://pjc56@.../) 
> myspace.com/chloesmithmusic  
> 
>  
> In a message dated 01/06/2011 06:58:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
> unobtainiumkeys@... writes:
> 
> Ray is  now gone and his replacement is a young girl flute player - nowhere 
> near the  talent, presence or feel that Ray had contributed.
>

You have some juicy tidbits for the group, Martin?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:

>
> When you distill the Moodies down, you have an astonishingly good  
> songwriter in Hayward, a good songwriter in Pinder and a sound the two of them  
> masterminded.  The rest are not so talented but the sum of  parts produced 
> albums that I loved.  The myth is greater than the  truth.  They got away with it 
> live but the limitations revealed how  produced the albums were.  We spoke 
> with Tony Clarke and he told us some  revelations that would flatten the 
> die-hard fan.  And Lodge is a hideous  songwriter most of the time.
>  
> M
>  
> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 
> www.mellotronics.co.uk
> NEW for iPad!
> MELLOTRONICS M3000HD 
> US Sales  East: Jimmy Moore  (http://JMoore6397@.../) 
> US Sales  West: Paul Cox  (http://pjc56@.../) 
> myspace.com/chloesmithmusic  
> 
>  
> In a message dated 01/06/2011 06:58:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
> unobtainiumkeys@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> I think the problem was between Graham and Mike back when Mike left in 78,  
> but the others were not happy with Pinder remaining in LA.  anyway.
> 
> 
> At this point it makes almost no difference though. The  Mellotron is long 
> gone, Mike is not writing or performing with them, and Ray  is now gone and 
> his replacement is a young girl flute player - nowhere near  the talent, 
> presence or feel that Ray had contributed. 
> 
> It's nice for  them to carry on the way they do, but it isn't the same. 
> It's more like a  cabaret version of them.  I'll stick to the original records 
> when I want  to hear them. 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, john barrick <_barrickjohn262@..._ 
> (mailto:barrickjohn262@...) >  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get  
> patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the  
> Moodies. 
> john
> 
> 
> PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very  disconcerting.  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss  
> <_jandjstrz@..._ (mailto:jandjstrz@...) > wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Mike  Pinder. 
> Yeah………………IF  only. 
> I might actually  get out and see them again in that case.  
> Would like to see  him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance 
> to Higher and  Higher. 
> Ughhhhh. 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of David  Jacques
> Sent: Tuesday,  May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
> To:  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re:  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
> They  sound great for their age... Still miss Mike... 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
>  
> On May 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Thanks.  That was very  good.
>  
> 
>  
> -Bruce D.
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet  Strauss <_jandjstrz@..._ 
> (mailto:jandjstrz@...) > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ms. Janet Strauss <_jandjstrz@..._ 
> (mailto:jandjstrz@...) >
> Subject: RE:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> Date:  Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> They  sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in  hand.
> Almost  unplugged.
> Background  vocals tad subdued…but ok.
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Music  starts at 1:50 
>  
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related_ 
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related) 
>  
> 
> Jim 
>  
> 
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf  Of Charles
> Sent: Monday,  May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> It wouldn't be that  difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record 
> the notes  (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them 
>  into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be  in the 
> same room...Mike could do his at home.
> Okay Martin, how  about it? :)
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Since they've  been using professional backup singers for years now, 
> their live  vocals are just fine.
> > 
> >  Bernie
> > 
> > ---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Bruce Daily 
> <pocotron@> wrote:
> >  >
> 
> 
> > > Ā  Yeah,  they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their  studio 
> brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for  theĀ most part).Ā  It was 
> too bad Justin Hayward didn't  use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā
>   Mic systems  weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā   They 
> sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in  1981 (with Moraz), 
> and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was  still all electric.Ā  I bet 
> they had some good nights,  though.
> 
> >  > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā   I hate the current 
> constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect,  but, hadĀ it been available then
> Ā it could've helped the  old Moodies.  
> 
> > > Ā 
> > > Ā  -Bruce D.
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > From: Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@>
> > > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup]  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > >  Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> >  > 
> > > 
> 
> > > Ā  
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > ā€¦heh heh.
> > >  Ā 
> > > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in  this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > > Ā 
> 
> > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI_ 
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI) 
> >  > Ā 
> 
> > > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the  ā€ Tron sounds ok
> ā€¦
> > > Ā 
> >  > 
> > > Jim
> > >  Ā 
> > > Ā 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
> [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of john barrick
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011  7:35 PM
> > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > >  Ā 
> > > Ā  
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> 
> > > It must have been  considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live 
> performances  and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos  
> that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā   
> 
> > > 
> > > john
> >  > 
> > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10  PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >  > 
> > >  Ā  
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > Hi all-
> >  > 
> 
> > > Ā  Maybe Mike  Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby 
> choir  when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their  vocal 
> harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use  ofĀ pre-recorded vocals 
> over their own?Ā  I wonder if  the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe 
> they  considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.  
> 
> > > 
> > > Ā  It's  ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> >  > 
> 
> > > Ā 
> >  > 
> > > Ā  Pondering-
> >  > 
> > > Ā 
> >  >   
> 
> > > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris  Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > >  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > >  Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> >  > 
> > > Ā 
> >  > 
> > >  Ā  
> > > 
> >  > 
> >  > 
> 
> > > I don't think the idea  was given serious consideration because both 
> the Mellotron and  Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units 
> doing big  band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single  Female 
> and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds  are put togetherĀ 
> which is what happened on the M1 model.  
> 
> > > 
> > > Ā 
> >  > 
> > > The idea was first advertised  in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures 
> but only as 'voices' and  not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the 
> choir  sound. 
> > > 
> >  > Ā 
> > > 
> > >  Ā 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, May  27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> >  > 
> > >  Ā  
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > I was always surprised Mike  Pinder never used any choirs with the 
> Moodies, or had the band  members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, 
> and Mike  making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing  
> ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > > If  Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music  
> Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their  units until 
> the M400?
> > > Ā 
> > >  Ā 
> > >
> >
>

Their new keyboardist is using a Memotron in his rig. But still...it was Mike's "cosmic spirituality" that really shaped the first 7 albums. You can replace him with another guy wwith a tron but not that psychedelic spirit.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:

>
> You have some juicy tidbits for the group, Martin?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@ wrote:
> >
> > When you distill the Moodies down, you have an astonishingly good  
> > songwriter in Hayward, a good songwriter in Pinder and a sound the two of them  
> > masterminded.  The rest are not so talented but the sum of  parts produced 
> > albums that I loved.  The myth is greater than the  truth.  They got away with it 
> > live but the limitations revealed how  produced the albums were.  We spoke 
> > with Tony Clarke and he told us some  revelations that would flatten the 
> > die-hard fan.  And Lodge is a hideous  songwriter most of the time.
> >  
> > M
> >  
> > Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 
> > www.mellotronics.co.uk
> > NEW for iPad!
> > MELLOTRONICS M3000HD 
> > US Sales  East: Jimmy Moore  (http://JMoore6397@/) 
> > US Sales  West: Paul Cox  (http://pjc56@/) 
> > myspace.com/chloesmithmusic  
> > 
> >  
> > In a message dated 01/06/2011 06:58:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
> > unobtainiumkeys@ writes:
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > I think the problem was between Graham and Mike back when Mike left in 78,  
> > but the others were not happy with Pinder remaining in LA.  anyway.
> > 
> > 
> > At this point it makes almost no difference though. The  Mellotron is long 
> > gone, Mike is not writing or performing with them, and Ray  is now gone and 
> > his replacement is a young girl flute player - nowhere near  the talent, 
> > presence or feel that Ray had contributed. 
> > 
> > It's nice for  them to carry on the way they do, but it isn't the same. 
> > It's more like a  cabaret version of them.  I'll stick to the original records 
> > when I want  to hear them. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:10 AM, john barrick <_barrickjohn262@_ 
> > (mailto:barrickjohn262@) >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get  
> > patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the  
> > Moodies. 
> > john
> > 
> > 
> > PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very  disconcerting.  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss  
> > <_jandjstrz@_ (mailto:jandjstrz@) > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Mike  Pinder. 
> > Yeah………………IF  only. 
> > I might actually  get out and see them again in that case.  
> > Would like to see  him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance 
> > to Higher and  Higher. 
> > Ughhhhh. 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of David  Jacques
> > Sent: Tuesday,  May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
> > To:  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re:  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > They  sound great for their age... Still miss Mike... 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >  
> >  
> > On May 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> >  
> > Thanks.  That was very  good.
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > -Bruce D.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet  Strauss <_jandjstrz@_ 
> > (mailto:jandjstrz@) > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss <_jandjstrz@_ 
> > (mailto:jandjstrz@) >
> > Subject: RE:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > Date:  Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > They  sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in  hand.
> > Almost  unplugged.
> > Background  vocals tad subdued…but ok.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Music  starts at 1:50 
> >  
> > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related_ 
> > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related) 
> >  
> > 
> > Jim 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf  Of Charles
> > Sent: Monday,  May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > It wouldn't be that  difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record 
> > the notes  (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them 
> >  into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be  in the 
> > same room...Mike could do his at home.
> > Okay Martin, how  about it? :)
> > 
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Since they've  been using professional backup singers for years now, 
> > their live  vocals are just fine.
> > > 
> > >  Bernie
> > > 
> > > ---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Bruce Daily 
> > <pocotron@> wrote:
> > >  >
> > 
> > 
> > > > Ā  Yeah,  they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their  studio 
> > brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for  theĀ most part).Ā  It was 
> > too bad Justin Hayward didn't  use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā
> >   Mic systems  weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā   They 
> > sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in  1981 (with Moraz), 
> > and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was  still all electric.Ā  I bet 
> > they had some good nights,  though.
> > 
> > >  > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā   I hate the current 
> > constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect,  but, hadĀ it been available then
> > Ā it could've helped the  old Moodies.  
> > 
> > > > Ā 
> > > > Ā  -Bruce D.
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > From: Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@>
> > > > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup]  MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > > >  Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > 
> > > > Ā  
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > ā€¦heh heh.
> > > >  Ā 
> > > > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in  this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > > > Ā 
> > 
> > > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI_ 
> > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI) 
> > >  > Ā 
> > 
> > > > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the  ā€ Tron sounds ok
> > ā€¦
> > > > Ā 
> > >  > 
> > > > Jim
> > > >  Ā 
> > > > Ā 
> > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >  From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
> > [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of john barrick
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011  7:35 PM
> > > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > > >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > > >  Ā 
> > > > Ā  
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > 
> > > > It must have been  considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live 
> > performances  and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos  
> > that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā   
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > john
> > >  > 
> > > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10  PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > >  > 
> > > >  Ā  
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > Hi all-
> > >  > 
> > 
> > > > Ā  Maybe Mike  Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby 
> > choir  when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their  vocal 
> > harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use  ofĀ pre-recorded vocals 
> > over their own?Ā  I wonder if  the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe 
> > they  considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.  
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ā  It's  ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > >  > 
> > 
> > > > Ā 
> > >  > 
> > > > Ā  Pondering-
> > >  > 
> > > > Ā 
> > >  >   
> > 
> > > > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris  Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > > >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > > >  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > > >  Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > >  > 
> > > > Ā 
> > >  > 
> > > >  Ā  
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > >  > 
> > 
> > > > I don't think the idea  was given serious consideration because both 
> > the Mellotron and  Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units 
> > doing big  band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single  Female 
> > and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds  are put togetherĀ 
> > which is what happened on the M1 model.  
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ā 
> > >  > 
> > > > The idea was first advertised  in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures 
> > but only as 'voices' and  not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the 
> > choir  sound. 
> > > > 
> > >  > Ā 
> > > > 
> > > >  Ā 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, May  27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > >  > 
> > > >  Ā  
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > I was always surprised Mike  Pinder never used any choirs with the 
> > Moodies, or had the band  members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, 
> > and Mike  making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing  
> > ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > > > If  Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music  
> > Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their  units until 
> > the M400?
> > > > Ā 
> > > >  Ā 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

But still...it was Mike's "cosmic spirituality" that really shaped the first 7 albums.

No Mike-that would be Graeme :)

Drugs!
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 10:54:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Yeah, that was Edge writing, but Pinder volunteered to read the shit.  He 
bears some responsibility.  How the hell he could complete a  take without 
giggling like a school girl is beyond me.  
john

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Charles <_charel196@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:charel196@yahoo.com) >  wrote:


 
 
 

No Mike-that would be Graeme :)

One of my favorites...
 

In brightest day, in blackest night,  
No evil shall escape my sight.  
Let those who worship evil's might,  
Beware my power...  
Green Lantern's Light! 
Oops! I forgot. Edge didn't write that one.... But he  could have.
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 10:54:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Yeah, that was Edge writing, but Pinder volunteered to read the shit.  He 
bears some responsibility.  How the hell he could complete a  take without 
giggling like a school girl is beyond me.  
john

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Charles <_charel196@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:charel196@yahoo.com) >  wrote:


 
 
 

No Mike-that would be Graeme :)

The musicians I listed are the ones that made the Mellotron famous (or infamous) and have the luxury of playing on any gear they
desire.  I think Mike’s story about the Moodies says it all….they want nothing to do with it any more.  As far as amateur musicians go
most will be excited to play on anything “historic”.  If one were supplied to me I would certainly use it for the fun of it but not as a regular
piece of gear to move and maintain.  I am rebuilding a friends studio and he has a nice collection of vintage synths.  It is fun to use them on
recordings but some of those instruments are too sensitive to line voltage fluctuations and temperature to be used live and they, like the
Mellotron, are interesting its of musical history that only the most hard core enthusiast (like those on this group ☺) would risk using the live.
Like a classic car they are fun but not practical as a daily driver.  So Genesis, King Crimson, and Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? ☺


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:55 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


Grizzled lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear,  in a live setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.

I wouldn't go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing.  Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome btw.


fritz



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

Whether or not an actual Mellotron is used in their concert might affect their tour attendance by 10 people (mostly from this group ☺).
I doubt since like most “tron” groups, they ditched the tron long ago that they would go through the hassle to bring one plus the backups
on a current tour.  Most watching would never know the difference and even fewer listening.  It was an integral part of their sound as well
as for Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, and many others.  None of those who used it then would use it now even though financially there is no
barrier.  Time and technology has prevailed and it has become a collectors piece with a fascinating history but only an avid fanatic (like those
on this list) would ever use one on tour.  I have never seen the Moodies live but I wouldn’t refuse to see them based on the keyboards they used.
They are a great band either way!....rough vocals and all…..   Of course YMMV ☺!

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com?>] On Behalf Of trolldelux@aol.com<mailto:trolldelux@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:44 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


Hi All..

I seems to me that Mike Pinder isn't the only guy on the planet who can play a mellotron.  Given how important it is/was to their sound, why not ditch (most of) their electronic keyboards and bring back a 'tron.  Even if it's gimmicky, a mellotron backed concert with their reduced numbers is a concert I might go to see.

-tem

-----Original Message-----
From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com<mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com>>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the Moodies.
john

PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very disconcerting.
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net<mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net>> wrote:

Mike Pinder.

Yeah………………IF only.
I might actually get out and see them again in that case.
Would like to see him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance to Higher and Higher.
Ughhhhh.




-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of David Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


They sound great for their age... Still miss Mike...


On May 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:


Thanks.  That was very good.

  -Bruce D.


--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net<mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net>> wrote:

From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net<mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net>>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM

They sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in hand.
Almost unplugged.
Background vocals tad subdued…but ok.


Music starts at 1:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record the notes (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be in the same room...Mike could do his at home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, "tron400" <tron400@...<mailto:tron400@...>> wrote:

>
> Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now, their live vocals are just fine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >
> > Ā  Yeah, they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for theĀ most part).Ā  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.Ā  I bet they had some good nights, though.
> > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, hadĀ it been available thenĀ it could've helped the old Moodies.

> > Ā
> > Ā  -Bruce D.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> >
> >
> > Ā
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> > Ā
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
> > Ā
> > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the ā€ Tron sounds okā€¦
> > Ā
> >
> > Jim
> > Ā
> > Ā
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > Ā
> > Ā
> >
> >
> >
> > It must have been considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā

> >
> > john
> >
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >
> > Ā
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Ā  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use ofĀ pre-recorded vocals over their own?Ā  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron.

> >
> > Ā  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> >
> > Ā
> >
> > Ā  Pondering-
> >
> > Ā
> >

> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> >
> > Ā
> >
> > Ā
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put togetherĀ which is what happened on the M1 model.

> >
> > Ā
> >
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound.
> >
> > Ā
> >
> > Ā
> >
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> >
> > Ā
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> > Ā
> > Ā
> >
>

For the most part.   However, I always found Jon Anderson to be pleasant enough and Mike Rutherford seemed like a bubbly chap when I got to hang with the band a bit.
 


So Genesis, King Crimson, and Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? 

 

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:31 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


  
    
                  

The musicians I listed are the ones that made the Mellotron famous (or infamous) and have the luxury of playing on any gear they 
desire.  I think Mike’s story about the Moodies says it all….they want nothing to do with it any more.  As far as amateur musicians go 
most will be excited to play on anything “historic”.  If one were supplied to me I would certainly use it for the fun of it but not as a regular 
piece of gear to move and maintain.  I am rebuilding a friends studio and he has a nice collection of vintage synths.  It is fun to use them on 
recordings but some of those instruments are too sensitive to line voltage fluctuations and temperature to be used live and they, like the 
Mellotron, are interesting its of musical history that only the most hard core enthusiast (like those on this group J) would risk using the live.   
Like a classic car they are fun but not practical as a daily driver.  So Genesis, King Crimson, and Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? J 
 
 


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:55 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

 
  


Grizzled lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear,  in a live setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.

I wouldn't go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing.  Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome btw.


fritz

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

  



Whether or not an actual Mellotron is used in their concert might affect their tour attendance by 10 people (mostly from this group J).  

I doubt since like most “tron” groups, they ditched the tron long ago that they would go through the hassle to bring one plus the backups 

on a current tour.  Most watching would never know the difference and even fewer listening.  It was an integral part of their sound as well 

as for Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, and many others.  None of those who used it then would use it now even though financially there is no 

barrier.  Time and technology has prevailed and it has become a collectors piece with a fascinating history but only an avid fanatic (like those 

on this list) would ever use one on tour.  I have never seen the Moodies live but I wouldn’t refuse to see them based on the keyboards they used.  

They are a great band either way!....rough vocals and all…..   Of course YMMV J!

 



From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trolldelux@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:44 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 

  



Hi All..


 


I seems to me that Mike Pinder isn't the only guy on the planet who can play a mellotron.  Given how important it is/was to their sound, why not ditch (most of) their electronic keyboards and bring back a 'tron.  Even if it's gimmicky, a mellotron backed concert with their reduced numbers is a concert I might go to see.


 


-tem


 


-----Original Message-----
From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


  



Sorry - if whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get patched up, it would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the Moodies. 


john


 


PS - I find the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very disconcerting.


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:


  




Mike Pinder.


 


Yeah………………IF only.


I might actually get out and see them again in that case. 


Would like to see him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance to Higher and Higher.


Ughhhhh.


 


 



 



 


-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK



 


  





They sound great for their age... Still miss Mike...



 




 




On May 30, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:



 






 






Thanks.  That was very good.



 



  -Bruce D.





--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:






From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM



 




They sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in hand.



Almost unplugged.



Background vocals tad subdued…but ok.



 




 



Music starts at 1:50



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related



 



Jim



 



-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:20 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK



 



 






It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin, John, Ray, and Mike to record the notes (as far as their range could go), auto-tune them, and layer them into some awesome Moodies samples. They wouldn't even have to be in the same room...Mike could do his at home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:

>
> Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now, their live vocals are just fine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >



> > Ā  Yeah, they wereĀ vocally out of tune in concert.Ā  Their studio brilliance sure didn't come through on stage (for theĀ most part).Ā  It was too bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a while.Ā  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic instrumentsĀ back then.Ā  They sure could've used some vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.Ā  I bet they had some good nights, though.


> > Ā Ā I wonder if they use Autotune live now.Ā  I hate the current constant misuse of Autotune as a vocal effect, but, hadĀ it been available thenĀ it could've helped the old Moodies. 



> > Ā 
> > Ā  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
> > 


> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> > Ā 
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in this vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā 


> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
> > Ā 


> > Ray sure gets into it ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the ā€ Tron sounds okā€¦
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Jim
> > Ā 
> > Ā 


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > Ā 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 


> > It must have been considered. Ā Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower Hayward's leads.Ā  



> > 
> > john
> > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all-
> > 


> > Ā  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their vocal harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use ofĀ pre-recorded vocals over their own?Ā  I wonder if the idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe they considered recording their own vocals for the 'Tron. 



> > 
> > Ā  It's ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 


> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  Pondering-
> > 
> > Ā 
> >  



> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 


> > I don't think the idea was given serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely. The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not quite a choir until the two sounds are put togetherĀ which is what happened on the M1 model. 



> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > 
> > Ā  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was always surprised Mike Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> > Ā 
> > Ā 
> >
>

Cold-hearted round thing that rules the night...
 
Cold-hearted sphere that rules the night...
 
Cold-hearted ball-like thingie that rules the night...
 
Orb rules!
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 1:29:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
john.wright@consona.com writes:

 
 
 
 
I always  liked the use of the word “orb”.  Good for Scrabble, but not 
much  else. 

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50  AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK

 
 
 
 
One of my  favorites...
 

In brightest day, in blackest  night,  
No evil shall escape my  sight.  
Let those who worship evil's  might,  
Beware my  power...  
Green Lantern's  Light!  
 
Oops! I forgot. Edge  didn't write that one.... But he could have.
 

 
 
In a message  dated 6/1/2011 10:54:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
barrickjohn262@gmail.com  writes:

 
Yeah, that was Edge writing,  but Pinder volunteered to read the shit.  He 
bears some responsibility.  How the hell he could complete a take without 
giggling like a school  girl is beyond me.  
 
john 
 
On Wed, Jun  1, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Charles <_charel196@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:charel196@yahoo.com) >  wrote: 
 
 
 
 

No Mike-that would be Graeme  :)

Fritz, tell everyone the Jon Anderson "tits" story.
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 4:14:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
For  the most part.   However, I always found Jon Anderson to be pleasant  
enough and Mike Rutherford seemed like a bubbly chap when I got to hang with 
 the band a bit.  



So Genesis, King Crimson, and  Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? 










-----Original  Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To:  newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun  1, 2011 1:31 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK


 
 
 

 
The  musicians I listed are the ones that made the  Mellotron famous (or 
infamous) and have the luxury of playing on any gear they  
desire.  I think Mike’s  story about the Moodies says it all….they want 
nothing to do with it any  more.  As far as amateur musicians go 
most  will be excited to play on anything “historic”.  If one were 
supplied to  me I would certainly use it for the fun of it but not as a regular  
piece of gear to move and  maintain.  I am rebuilding a friends studio and 
he has a nice collection  of vintage synths.  It is fun to use them on 
recordings but some of those  instruments are too sensitive to line voltage 
fluctuations and temperature to  be used live and they, like the 
Mellotron, are interesting its  of musical history that only the most hard 
core enthusiast (like those on this  group J) would risk using the  live.   
Like  a classic car they are fun but not practical as a daily driver.  So  
Genesis, King  Crimson, and Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? J 
 
 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com?) ]  On Behalf Of _fdoddy@aol.com_ 
(mailto:fdoddy@aol.com) 
Sent: Wednesday,  June 01, 2011 3:55 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 

 
 
 
 
Grizzled lazy  grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger 
musicians would jump at  the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog 
gear,  in a live  setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from 
the next  generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.

I wouldn't go see  the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on 
stage...not my thing.   Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome  btw.


fritz

 


 


 


 
-----Original  Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <_gabru@comsec.net_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net) >
To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
Sent:  Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES  voices EEEEEK
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Whether or not an actual  Mellotron is used in their concert might affect 
their tour attendance by 10  people (mostly from this group J).  

 
I  doubt since like most “tron” groups, they ditched the tron long ago 
that they  would go through the hassle to bring one plus the backups 

 
on a  current tour.  Most watching would never know the difference and even 
 fewer listening.  It was an integral part of their sound as well  

 
as  for Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, and many others.  None of those who 
used  it then would use it now even though financially there is no 

 
barrier.  Time and  technology has prevailed and it has become a collectors 
piece with a  fascinating history but only an avid fanatic (like those 

 
on  this list) would ever use one on tour.  I have never seen the Moodies  
live but I wouldn’t refuse to see them based on the keyboards they used.   

 
They  are a great band either way!....rough vocals and all…..   Of course  
YMMV J!

 


 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com?) ]  On Behalf Of _trolldelux@aol.com_ 
(mailto:trolldelux@aol.com) 
Sent:  Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:44 PM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK



 


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
Hi  All..


 
 



 
 
I seems to me  that Mike Pinder isn't the only guy on the planet who can 
play a  mellotron.  Given how important it is/was to their sound, why not 
ditch  (most of) their electronic keyboards and bring back a 'tron.  Even if  
it's gimmicky, a mellotron backed concert with their reduced numbers is a  
concert I might go to see.


 
 



 
 
-tem


 


 
 
-----Original  Message-----
From: john barrick <_barrickjohn262@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com) >
To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
Sent:  Tue, May 31, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES  voices EEEEEK

 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
Sorry - if  whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get 
patched up, it  would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the 
Moodies.  

 
 
john


 
 



 
 
PS - I find  the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very  disconcerting.

 
 
On Tue, May  31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss 
<_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ (mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) >  wrote:

 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Mike  Pinder.


 
 



 
 
Yeah………………IF  only.


 
 
I might  actually get out and see them again in that case. 


 
 
Would like to  see him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance 
to Higher and  Higher.


 
 
Ughhhhh.


 
 



 
 



 
 
 




 
 



 
 
-----Original  Message-----
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of David Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:59  AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 


 
 
 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES  voices EEEEEK



 
 



 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
They sound  great for their age... Still miss Mike...


 
 
 






 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
 
On May 30,  2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:



 
 





 
 
 
 
 
 
 




 
 
 
 
 
Thanks.  That was very  good.



 
 
 




 
 
 
-Bruce D.



 
 
 


--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet  Strauss <_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ 
(mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) > wrote:






 
 
 
 

From: Ms. Janet Strauss <_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ 
(mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) >
Subject:  RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Date:  Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM


 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
They  sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in  hand.



 
 
Almost  unplugged.



 
 
Background vocals tad subdued…but  ok.



 
 
 





 
 
 




 
 
Music  starts at 1:50


 
 
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related) 



 
 
 




 
 
Jim


 
 
 




 
 
-----Original  Message-----
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On  Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30,  2011 9:20 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 
 
 




 
 
 






 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin,  John, Ray, and Mike to record 
the notes (as far as their range could  go), auto-tune them, and layer them 
into some awesome Moodies samples.  They wouldn't even have to be in the 
same room...Mike could do his at  home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "tron400" <_tron400@..._ 
(mailto:tron400@...) >  wrote:
>
> Since they've been using professional backup  singers for years now, 
their live vocals are just  fine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> ---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , Bruce Daily  
<pocotron@> wrote:
> >



 
 
> > Ā  Yeah, they wereĀ vocally  out of tune in concert.Ā  Their studio 
brilliance sure didn't  come through on stage (for theĀ most part).Ā  It was 
too bad  Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a  while.Ā
  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic  instrumentsĀ back then.Ā  They 
sure could've used some vocal  coaching.Ā  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), 
and the vocals were  just as bad, and JH was still all electric.Ā  I bet they 
had some  good nights, though.


 
> > Ā Ā I wonder if they use  Autotune live now.Ā  I hate the current 
constant misuse of  Autotune as a vocal effect, but, hadĀ it been available  then
Ā it could've helped the old Moodies. 

 
 

> > Ā 
> > Ā  -Bruce  D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On  Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
>  > 
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss  <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY  BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > Date:  Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
>  > 


 
 
> > Ā  
>  > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> >  Ā 
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in this  vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā 


 
 
> > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI) 
>  > Ā 


 
 
> > Ray sure gets into it  ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the ā€ Tron sounds ok
ā€¦
> >  Ā 
> > 
> > Jim
> >  Ā 
> > Ā 


 
 
> > -----Original Message-----
> >  From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
[mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (http://us.
mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of john  barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> >  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> >  Ā 
> > Ā  
> > 
>  > 
> > 


 
> > It must have been considered.  Ā Just listen to any of their live 
performances and not cringe  when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos 
that overpower  Hayward's leads.Ā  

 
 

> > 
> > john
>  > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily  <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> >  Ā  
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi  all-
> > 


 
> > Ā  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the  idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby 
choir when it became  available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their vocal  
harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use  ofĀ pre-recorded vocals 
over their own?Ā  I wonder if the  idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe 
they considered  recording their own vocals for the 'Tron. 

 
 

> > 
> > Ā  It's ask  an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 


 
> > Ā 
> > 
> >  Ā  Pondering-
> > 
> > Ā 
>  >  

 
 

> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On  Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
>  > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale  <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> > Date:  Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
> >  Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  
>  > 
> > 
> > 


 
> > I don't think the idea was given  serious consideration because both 
the Mellotron and Chamberlin were  thought of as ' home organ' type units 
doing big band music largely.  The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female 
and single Male - not  quite a choir until the two sounds are put togetherĀ 
which is  what happened on the M1 model. 

 
 

> > 
> > Ā 
>  > 
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's  on Chamberlin brochures 
but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The  Mellotron really nailed the 
choir sound. 
>  > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> >  Ā 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23  AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > 
> >  Ā  
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > I was always surprised Mike  Pinder never used any choirs with the 
Moodies, or had the band members  do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, 
and Mike making vocal  tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing 
ahhhs on Melancholy  Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices  in the 50s and Mellotron used Music 
Masters as a guide, why didn't  Mellotron add human voices to their units until 
the M400?

> >  Ā 
> > Ā 
>  >
>

On Jun 1, 2011, at 6:17 PM, John Wright wrote:

> Alas, my on,y brush with fame not counting the time Greg Lake told me to get away from him after seeking an autograph from the Works I tour.
> 
>  
> 
I once slammed Wes Montgomery's hand in one of those old self-serve elevators at an amp repair place on 48th St. in NY. He was reasonably nice about it. I was totally freaked out thinking I might have ended his career.

I also spent an afternoon with Eric Clapton at Audio Speaker Techniques down near Canal Street. We were both getting speakers re-coned. His were also stamped "Cream" and since he had a beard (and I hadn't seen him with a beard), I thought he was one of the band's roadies until about 5 minutes before I left. He was hanging around with Tony (the owner) because he couldn't stand being around Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker anymore that tour.

I also caddied for Ed Sullivan, and my wife hit Richard Nixon in the head with a rather heavy door. She was going in as he was reaching for the doorknob on his side.

Anybody else have a brush with fame?

Rick

Sadly I have never met anyone.  It hurts....

M

mellotronics.co.uk



On 1 Jun 2011, at 23:27, Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

> Anybody else have a brush with fame?

LOL.

 

..great...

 

In one of the live shows I saw the MB in '78 .Graeme Edge attempted to do
"the Balance" from a Question of Balance LP..

It took a long time to wash that horrible memory from my mind. 

..although I had liked the original rendition of it on the record.even my
rather conservative Army military father liked it .

(as for long haired young people's music at the time.he actually favored
"Martha My Dear" on the white album much better..)

 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:57 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

 

  

On 01/06/2011 12:34, Charles wrote: 

  

But still...it was Mike's "cosmic spirituality" that really shaped the first
7 albums. 


If that meant he was responsible for the poetry then I'd shoot him on that
principle alone.

Anybody else have a brush with fame?

 

 

Brush with fame?  Musical or non musical?

 

Back in the eighties, I had Heinekens with Elizabeth Taylor in her living
room one evening.

 

When I was a kid living in Rome Italy, a classmate had his single mother get
her boyfriend at the time to take us to the movies.

He showed up at our house.it was Robert Wagner.

 

 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 6:28 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

 

  

 

On Jun 1, 2011, at 6:17 PM, John Wright wrote:





Alas, my on,y brush with fame not counting the time Greg Lake told me to get
away from him after seeking an autograph from the Works I tour.

 

I once slammed Wes Montgomery's hand in one of those old self-serve
elevators at an amp repair place on 48th St. in NY. He was reasonably nice
about it. I was totally freaked out thinking I might have ended his career.

 

I also spent an afternoon with Eric Clapton at Audio Speaker Techniques down
near Canal Street. We were both getting speakers re-coned. His were also
stamped "Cream" and since he had a beard (and I hadn't seen him with a
beard), I thought he was one of the band's roadies until about 5 minutes
before I left. He was hanging around with Tony (the owner) because he
couldn't stand being around Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker anymore that tour.

 

I also caddied for Ed Sullivan, and my wife hit Richard Nixon in the head
with a rather heavy door. She was going in as he was reaching for the
doorknob on his side.

 

Anybody else have a brush with fame?

 

Rick

That must have made you feel good. 
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 6:15:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
john.wright@consona.com writes:

Alas, my  on,y brush with fame not counting the time Greg Lake  told me to 
get away from him after seeking an autograph from the Works I  tour.

Actually, when I was a little boy of about 6, After Church/Sunday  School 
we would have Sunday dinner at my grandparent's house. On several  occasions 
I remember Richard & Pat Nixon being there. Also remember Willard  Marriott 
being there now and again. He and my grandfather were close friends. My  
grandfather used to take Nixon flying now and again, I am told. My grandfather  
had the distinction of being the first private pilot to ever land and take 
off  from National airport.
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 6:28:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

 
I also caddied for Ed Sullivan, and my wife hit Richard Nixon in the head  
with a rather heavy door. She was going in as he was reaching for the 
doorknob  on his side.


Anybody else have a brush with fame?



Rick

You forget... You've met that famous nobody Paul McCartney. Celebrate  your 
good fortune.
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 6:34:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tronbros@aol.com writes:

Sadly  I have never met anyone. It  hurts....

Was that before or after he killed Natalie Wood?
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 7:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

When I was a kid  living in Rome Italy, a classmate had his  single mother 
get her boyfriend at the time to take us to the  movies. 
He showed up at our  house…it was Robert  Wagner.

He killed Natalie Wood?

 

I'd much rather have spent the evening with Natalie Wood.   (ooooh yeah).

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:38 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

 

  

Was that before or after he killed Natalie Wood?

 

In a message dated 6/1/2011 7:14:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

When I was a kid living in Rome Italy, a classmate had his single mother get
her boyfriend at the time to take us to the movies.

He showed up at our house.it was Robert Wagner.

Oh yes, him and most of the client list but apart from those, nobody.  Sob.  Robert Fripp has invited JB and me for cakes next time we are down his way.  He lives close to our old boat so we may well go for a chat.  

Martin

mellotronics.co.uk



On 1 Jun 2011, at 23:36, Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

> What about Sir Paul What's-'is-name?

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick
<barrickjohn262@...> wrote:
>
> I met Mark Volman of The Turtles after a lounge gig they were doing in
Vegas
> in the summer of '94 - he was pleasant, but not terribly interested in
> talking to fans.

That reminds me of another. While recording at Scepter Wand, we stayed
at a Holiday Inn that the Turtles were also staying in. A doorman came
over to us and asked our band name because the Turtles wanted to know.
Later that evening, we went to the Rolling Stone where our underage
drummer got really drunk and painted the entire floor of the men's room.
Next morning, while looking out the window, we saw Volman and Kaylan
getting into a cab. Our drummer, wrapped in a sheet, leaned out the
window and started singing one of the Turtles' songs in a cracked voice.
Volman and Kaylan just looked up at him, while the rest of us shrunk
away from the window.

Next time we were in NY to record, we were parked in front of the studio
in a station wagon waiting for it to open. A limo drove by with a bunch
of hairy guys waving to us. The Turtles. Never did actually meet them
though.

Bernie

I've met most of my proggy heroes over the years...Moodies (with Patrick), Yes, Genesis/Hackett, Strawbs, Asia, Crimson (except Fripp),Renaissance. I got invited to an after show party with Genesis back in 74 and got drunk with Phil & Steve-they were a hoot.
 Patrick Moraz came into Synthony Music in Scottsdale AZ back in 86 a few days before the Moodies were to play, to do some Kurzweil programming. I suggested we set up the whole synth room with "Patrick sounds" (including sampling stuff from THE STORY OF i) and we had it all set up so when he walked into the store and we were all being introduced, I told him "Patrick-we wanted to make you feel at home" and reached over to the sampler and started playing his sounds as the other store guys played other sounds & rhythms.Patrick loved it and gave me a big hug. We even had his trademark sound (the low "Doe...."  voice sound he had on his tron)

Movie/TV celebrity wise... I have met and hung with many stars over the years.Made a nice friendship with David Hedison from VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA (I gave him one of my CDs which he loved)...Gary Lockwood from 2001....Dee Wallace (Mom from E.T.)...many more (mostly classic scifi stars)

He was one of my favorite actors when I was a kid. In his early work he was 
 known as Al Hedison.
 
 
In a message dated 6/2/2011 8:51:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
charel196@yahoo.com writes:

Movie/TV celebrity wise... I have met and hung with many stars over the  
years.Made a nice friendship with David Hedison from VOYAGE  TO THE BOTTOM OF 
THE SEA (I gave him one of my CDs which he loved)...Gary  Lockwood from 
2001....Dee Wallace (Mom from E.T.)...many more (mostly classic  scifi stars)

My job puts me in front of a lot of celebs for sure, but I have the best time working with the incredible musicians who come through my door and work on either albums, commercial underscores or film soundtracks. The most memorable was working with Eric Weissberg, who wrote and performed the famous "Dueling Banjos". He is trained as a orchestral bassist and his talent is huge.  During a break from recording, I asked him about any fun projects he was working on and he commented he was doing a reduction, for banjo, of Brahm's 3rd Symphony.  He proceeded to play the first movement for me to get my feedback.  I think my tears were enough affirmation for him.

I also talked shop and got plastered with Harry Nilsson.


fritz

So I'm hanging out with Mr. Anderson at some NY restaurant/bar and he's into talking about faeries and guardian angels and all sorts of metaphysical nonsense, but he can't help noticing the gaggle of beautiful women all around.  It is NY by the way.  I'm paraphrasing a little but the conversation goes something like this:


Please read in your best Jon Anderson impersonation...


JA "You know Fritz, there's faeries all around us that we can't see and if you try to....

JA (noticing a beautiful woman) "Oh, look at the tits on that one"

JA "The energy of the wee folk is much great than you might..."

JA(seeing another lovely lass) "oh my, what a body!"

JA  "There's a continuum of energy that we're all connected to..."



You get the picture....It made me laugh and then Keith Richards came over to our table, sat down, had a drink with us and I couldn't understand a goddamn thing he said.  Very pleasant to drink with though.

fritz

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: lsf5275 <lsf5275@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 4:24 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


  
    
                  

Fritz, tell everyone the Jon Anderson "tits" story.
 

In a message dated 6/1/2011 4:14:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
    
  
For   the most part.   However, I always found Jon Anderson to be pleasant   enough and Mike Rutherford seemed like a bubbly chap when I got to hang with   the band a bit.   


  
  
So Genesis, King Crimson, and     Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? 
  


  


  
  


  


  
-----Original   Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To:   newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun   1, 2011 1:31 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices   EEEEEK

  
    
  
  
  
  
  
The   musicians I listed are the ones that made the   Mellotron famous (or infamous) and have the luxury of playing on any gear they   
  
desire.  I think Mike’s   story about the Moodies says it all….they want nothing to do with it any   more.  As far as amateur musicians go 
  
most   will be excited to play on anything “historic”.  If one were supplied to   me I would certainly use it for the fun of it but not as a regular   
  
piece of gear to move and   maintain.  I am rebuilding a friends studio and he has a nice collection   of vintage synths.  It is fun to use them on 
  
recordings but some of those   instruments are too sensitive to line voltage fluctuations and temperature to   be used live and they, like the 
  
Mellotron, are interesting its   of musical history that only the most hard core enthusiast (like those on this   group J) would risk using the   live.   
  
Like   a classic car they are fun but not practical as a daily driver.  So   Genesis, King   Crimson, and Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? J 
  
 
  
 
  
  
  
  
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com   [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]   On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday,   June 01, 2011 3:55 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject:   Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

  
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
Grizzled lazy   grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at   the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear,  in a live   setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next   generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.

I wouldn't go see   the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing.    Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome   btw.


fritz
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
-----Original   Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To:   newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:   Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES   voices EEEEEK
  
  
    
  
  
  
  
  
  
Whether or not an actual   Mellotron is used in their concert might affect their tour attendance by 10   people (mostly from this group J).  
  
  
I   doubt since like most “tron” groups, they ditched the tron long ago that they   would go through the hassle to bring one plus the backups 
  
  
on a   current tour.  Most watching would never know the difference and even   fewer listening.  It was an integral part of their sound as well   
  
  
as   for Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, and many others.  None of those who used   it then would use it now even though financially there is no 
  
  
barrier.  Time and   technology has prevailed and it has become a collectors piece with a   fascinating history but only an avid fanatic (like those 
  
  
on   this list) would ever use one on tour.  I have never seen the Moodies   live but I wouldn’t refuse to see them based on the keyboards they used.    
  
  
They   are a great band either way!....rough vocals and all…..   Of course   YMMV J!
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
  
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com   [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]   On Behalf Of trolldelux@aol.com
Sent:   Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:44 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject:   Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices   EEEEEK

  
  
 
  
  
    
  
  
  
  
  
  
Hi   All..

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
I seems to me   that Mike Pinder isn't the only guy on the planet who can play a   mellotron.  Given how important it is/was to their sound, why not ditch   (most of) their electronic keyboards and bring back a 'tron.  Even if   it's gimmicky, a mellotron backed concert with their reduced numbers is a   concert I might go to see.

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
-tem

  
  
 
  
  
  
-----Original   Message-----
From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To:   newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:   Tue, May 31, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES   voices EEEEEK
  
  
  
    
  
  
  
  
  
  
Sorry - if   whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get patched up, it   would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the Moodies.   
  
  
  
john

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
PS - I find   the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very   disconcerting.
  
  
  
On Tue, May   31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net>   wrote:
  
  
  
    
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Mike   Pinder.

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
Yeah………………IF   only.

  
  
  
I might   actually get out and see them again in that case. 

  
  
  
Would like to   see him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance to Higher and   Higher.

  
  
  
Ughhhhh.

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
  
 

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
-----Original   Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com   [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]   On Behalf Of David Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:59   AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

  
  
  
  
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES   voices EEEEEK

  
  
  
 

  
  
  
    

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
They sound   great for their age... Still miss Mike...

  
  
  
  
 


  
  
  
  
 

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
On May 30,   2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

  
  
  
 


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 

  
    
    
      
        
        
        
        
        
        
Thanks.  That was very         good.

        
        
        
        
 

        
        
        
        
  -Bruce D.

        
        
        
        


--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet         Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:


        
          
          
          
          
          

From: Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject:           RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date:           Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM

          
          
          
          
 

          
          
          
          
          
          
They           sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in           hand.

          
          
          
Almost           unplugged.

          
          
          
Background vocals tad subdued…but           ok.

          
          
          
          
 


          
          
          
          
 

          
          
          
Music           starts at 1:50

          
          
          
          
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related

          
          
          
          
 

          
          
          
Jim

          
          
          
          
 

          
          
          
-----Original           Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com           [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On           Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30,           2011 9:20 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup]           Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK

          
          
          
          
 

          
          
          
          
 


          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin,           John, Ray, and Mike to record the notes (as far as their range could           go), auto-tune them, and layer them into some awesome Moodies samples.           They wouldn't even have to be in the same room...Mike could do his at           home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...>           wrote:

>
> Since they've been using professional backup           singers for years now, their live vocals are just           fine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> ---           In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily           <pocotron@> wrote:
> >

          
          
          
> > Ā  Yeah, they wereĀ vocally           out of tune in concert.Ā  Their studio brilliance sure didn't           come through on stage (for theĀ most part).Ā  It was too bad           Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a           while.Ā  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic           instrumentsĀ back then.Ā  They sure could've used some vocal           coaching.Ā  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), and the vocals were           just as bad, and JH was still all electric.Ā  I bet they had some           good nights, though.

          
          
> > Ā Ā I wonder if they use           Autotune live now.Ā  I hate the current constant misuse of           Autotune as a vocal effect, but, hadĀ it been available           thenĀ it could've helped the old Moodies. 
          
          
          

> > Ā 
> > Ā  -Bruce           D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On           Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@> wrote:
>           > 
> > 
> > From: Ms. Janet Strauss           <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY           BLUES voices EEEEEK
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date:           Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
>           > 

          
          
          
> > Ā  
>           > 
> > 
> > 
>           > 
> > 
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> >           Ā 
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in this           vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā 

          
          
          
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI
>           > Ā 

          
          
          
> > Ray sure gets into it           ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the ā€ Tron sounds okā€¦
> >           Ā 
> > 
> > Jim
> >           Ā 
> > Ā 

          
          
          
> > -----Original Message-----
> >           From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john           barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
> >           To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >           Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> >           Ā 
> > Ā  
> > 
>           > 
> > 

          
          
> > It must have been considered.           Ā Just listen to any of their live performances and not cringe           when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos that overpower           Hayward's leads.Ā  
          
          
          

> > 
> > john
>           > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily           <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> >           Ā  
> > 
> > 
>           > 
> > 
> > 
>           > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi           all-
> > 

          
          
> > Ā  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted the           idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby choir when it became           available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their vocal           harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use           ofĀ pre-recorded vocals over their own?Ā  I wonder if the           idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe they considered           recording their own vocals for the 'Tron. 
          
          
          

> > 
> > Ā  It's ask           an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 

          
          
> > Ā 
> > 
> >           Ā  Pondering-
> > 
> > Ā 
>           >  
          
          
          

> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
>           > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On           Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
>           > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale           <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]           MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date:           Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
> >           Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  
>           > 
> > 
> > 

          
          
> > I don't think the idea was given           serious consideration because both the Mellotron and Chamberlin were           thought of as ' home organ' type units doing big band music largely.           The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female and single Male - not           quite a choir until the two sounds are put togetherĀ which is           what happened on the M1 model. 
          
          
          

> > 
> > Ā 
>           > 
> > The idea was first advertised in the late 60's           on Chamberlin brochures but only as 'voices' and not as a choir. The           Mellotron really nailed the choir sound. 
>           > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> >           Ā 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23           AM, Charles <charel196@> wrote:
> > 
> >           Ā  
> > 
> > 
>           > 
> > 
> > I was always surprised Mike           Pinder never used any choirs with the Moodies, or had the band members           do Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, and Mike making vocal           tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing ahhhs on Melancholy           Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo voices           in the 50s and Mellotron used Music Masters as a guide, why didn't           Mellotron add human voices to their units until the M400?
> >           Ā 
> > Ā 
>           >
>

Thanks Fritz. After reading his autobiography, Keith seems like he might be 
 a pretty nice guy to those he encounters.
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/2/2011 9:23:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
So I'm hanging out with Mr.  Anderson at some NY restaurant/bar and he's 
into talking about faeries and  guardian angels and all sorts of metaphysical 
nonsense, but he can't help  noticing the gaggle of beautiful women all 
around.  It is NY by the  way.  I'm paraphrasing a little but the conversation 
goes something like  this:


Please read in your best Jon Anderson  impersonation...


JA "You know Fritz, there's faeries all around us  that we can't see and if 
you try to....

JA (noticing a beautiful woman)  "Oh, look at the tits on that one"

JA "The energy of the wee folk is  much great than you might..."

JA(seeing another lovely lass) "oh my,  what a body!"

JA  "There's a continuum of energy that we're all  connected to..."



You get the picture....It made me laugh and  then Keith Richards came over 
to our table, sat down, had a drink with us and  I couldn't understand a 
goddamn thing he said.  Very pleasant to drink  with though.

fritz








-----Original  Message-----
From: lsf5275 <lsf5275@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup  <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 4:24  pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 
 
 

Fritz, tell everyone the Jon  Anderson "tits" story.
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2011 4:14:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)   writes:

 
For the most part.   However, I always found Jon Anderson to  be pleasant 
enough and Mike Rutherford seemed like a bubbly chap when I got  to hang with 
the band a bit. 



So Genesis, King Crimson, and  Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? 










-----Original  Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <_gabru@comsec.net_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net) >
To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
Sent:  Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:31 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES  voices EEEEEK


 
 
 

 
The musicians I listed are the ones that made the Mellotron famous (or  
infamous) and have the luxury of playing on any gear they 
desire.  I think Mike’s  story about the Moodies says it all….they want 
nothing to do with it any  more.  As far as amateur musicians go 
most will be excited to play  on anything “historic”.  If one were 
supplied to me I would certainly  use it for the fun of it but not as a regular 
piece of gear to move and  maintain.  I am rebuilding a friends studio and 
he has a nice  collection of vintage synths.  It is fun to use them on 
recordings but some of those  instruments are too sensitive to line voltage 
fluctuations and temperature  to be used live and they, like the 
Mellotron, are interesting  its of musical history that only the most hard 
core enthusiast (like those  on this group J) would risk using the  live.   
Like a classic car they are  fun but not practical as a daily driver.  So 
Genesis, King Crimson, and  Yes are grizzled, lazy, grumpy musicians?? J 
 
 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com?) ]  On Behalf Of _fdoddy@aol.com_ 
(mailto:fdoddy@aol.com) 
Sent: Wednesday,  June 01, 2011 3:55 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK


 

 
 
 
 
Grizzled  lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger 
musicians would  jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog 
gear,   in a live setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from 
the  next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.

I wouldn't  go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on 
stage...not my  thing.  Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome  btw.


fritz

 


 


 


 
-----Original Message-----
From:  Gary Brumm <_gabru@comsec.net_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net) >
To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
Sent:  Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:05 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES  voices EEEEEK
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Whether or not an actual  Mellotron is used in their concert might affect 
their tour attendance by 10  people (mostly from this group J).  

 
I  doubt since like most “tron” groups, they ditched the tron long ago 
that  they would go through the hassle to bring one plus the backups 

 
on  a current tour.  Most watching would never know the difference and even 
 fewer listening.  It was an integral part of their sound as well  

 
as  for Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, and many others.  None of those who  
used it then would use it now even though financially there is no  

 
barrier.  Time and  technology has prevailed and it has become a collectors 
piece with a  fascinating history but only an avid fanatic (like those 

 
on  this list) would ever use one on tour.  I have never seen the Moodies  
live but I wouldn’t refuse to see them based on the keyboards they  used.  

 
They are a great band either  way!....rough vocals and all…..   Of course 
YMMV J!

 


 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com?) ]  On Behalf Of _trolldelux@aol.com_ 
(mailto:trolldelux@aol.com) 
Sent:  Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:44 PM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices  EEEEEK



 


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
Hi  All..


 
 



 
 
I seems to  me that Mike Pinder isn't the only guy on the planet who can 
play a  mellotron.  Given how important it is/was to their sound, why not 
ditch  (most of) their electronic keyboards and bring back a 'tron.  Even if  
it's gimmicky, a mellotron backed concert with their reduced numbers is a  
concert I might go to see.


 
 



 
 
-tem


 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:  john barrick <_barrickjohn262@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com) >
To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
Sent:  Tue, May 31, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY  BLUES voices EEEEEK

 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
Sorry - if  whatever the deal is between Mike and Justin was going to get 
patched up, it  would have happened by now, and that's why I'll never see the 
Moodies.  

 
 
john


 
 



 
 
PS - I find  the idea of Mr. Edge dancing at all to be very  disconcerting.

 
 
On Tue, May  31, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ms. Janet Strauss 
<_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ (mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) >  wrote:

 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Mike  Pinder.


 
 



 
 
Yeah………………IF  only.


 
 
I might  actually get out and see them again in that case. 


 
 
Would like  to see him just play the oldies, rather than watch Graeme dance 
to Higher  and Higher.


 
 
Ughhhhh.


 
 



 
 



 
 
 




 
 



 
 
-----Original  Message-----
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of David Jacques
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:59  AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 


 
 
 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY  BLUES voices EEEEEK



 
 



 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
They sound  great for their age... Still miss Mike...


 
 
 






 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
 
On May 30,  2011, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:



 
 





 
 
 
 
 
 
 




 
 
 
 
 
Thanks.  That was very  good.



 
 
 




 
 
 
-Bruce D.



 
 
 


--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Ms. Janet  Strauss <_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ 
(mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) > wrote:






 
 
 
 

From: Ms. Janet Strauss <_jandjstrz@verizon.net_ 
(mailto:jandjstrz@verizon.net) >
Subject:  RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Date:  Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:05 PM


 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
They  sounded pretty good here…acoustic guitar in  hand.



 
 
Almost  unplugged.



 
 
Background vocals tad  subdued…but ok.



 
 
 





 
 
 




 
 
Music starts at  1:50


 
 
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98vekNwqpIg&feature=related) 



 
 
 




 
 
Jim


 
 
 




 
 
-----Original  Message-----
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On  Behalf Of Charles
Sent: Monday, May 30,  2011 9:20 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK


 
 
 




 
 
 






 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It wouldn't be that difficult to get Justin,  John, Ray, and Mike to record 
the notes (as far as their range could  go), auto-tune them, and layer them 
into some awesome Moodies  samples. They wouldn't even have to be in the 
same room...Mike could  do his at home.
Okay Martin, how about it? :)

---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "tron400"  
<_tron400@..._ (mailto:tron400@...) > wrote:
>
>  Since they've been using professional backup singers for years now,  
their live vocals are just fine.
> 
>  Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , Bruce Daily  
<pocotron@> wrote:
> >



 
 
> > Ā  Yeah, they wereĀ vocally  out of tune in concert.Ā  Their studio 
brilliance sure didn't  come through on stage (for theĀ most part).Ā  It was 
too  bad Justin Hayward didn't use an acoustic guitar live once in a  while.Ā
  Mic systems weren't great for acoustic  instrumentsĀ back then.Ā  They 
sure could've used some  vocal coaching.Ā  I saw them in 1981 (with Moraz), 
and the  vocals were just as bad, and JH was still all electric.Ā  I bet  
they had some good nights, though.


 
> > Ā Ā I wonder if they use  Autotune live now.Ā  I hate the current 
constant misuse of  Autotune as a vocal effect, but, hadĀ it been available  then
Ā it could've helped the old Moodies. 

 
 

> > Ā 
> > Ā   -Bruce D.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On  Sun, 5/29/11, Ms. Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Ms.  Janet Strauss <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: RE:  [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK
> >  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 5:44 PM
> > 
>  > 


 
 
> > Ā  
>  > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > ā€¦heh heh.
> >  Ā 
> > You mean, Ā like at the 1:05 mark in this  vidā€¦ā€¦..?Ā  LOL
> > Ā 


 
 
> > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9msQztHSI) 
>  > Ā 


 
 
> > Ray sure gets into it  ā€¦.physicallyā€¦ā€¦and the ā€ Tron sounds ok
ā€¦
> >  Ā 
> > 
> > Jim
> >  Ā 
> > Ā 


 
 
> > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
[mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of  john barrick
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:35 PM
>  > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> >  Ā 
> > Ā  
> > 
>  > 
> > 


 
> > It must have been considered.  Ā Just listen to any of their live 
performances and not cringe  when Lodge cuts loose with those descant falsettos 
that overpower  Hayward's leads.Ā  

 
 

> > 
> > john
>  > 
> > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Bruce Daily  <pocotron@> wrote:
> > 
> >  Ā  
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi  all-
> > 


 
> > Ā  Maybe Mike Pinder resisted  the idea of using aĀ 'Tron or Chamby 
choir when it became  available.Ā  The Moodies were known for their vocal  
harmonies.Ā  Would the group have resented the use  ofĀ pre-recorded vocals 
over their own?Ā  I wonder if the  idea was ever brought up.Ā  If so,Ā maybe 
they considered  recording their own vocals for the 'Tron. 

 
 

> > 
> > Ā  It's  ask an ex-Moodie time, I guess.
> > 


 
> > Ā 
> > 
>  > Ā  Pondering-
> > 
> >  Ā 
> >  

 
 

> > Ā Ā  -Bruce D.
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On  Sat, 5/28/11, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
>  > 
> > 
> > From: Chris Dale  <unobtainiumkeys@>
> > Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] MOODY BLUES voices
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
> >  Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:12 PM
> > 
>  > Ā 
> > 
> > Ā  
>  > 
> > 
> > 


 
> > I don't think the idea was given  serious consideration because both 
the Mellotron and Chamberlin were  thought of as ' home organ' type units 
doing big band music largely.  The Chamberlin 'Voices' are only a single Female 
and single Male -  not quite a choir until the two sounds are put togetherĀ 
which  is what happened on the M1 model. 

 
 

> > 
> >  Ā 
> > 
> > The idea was first  advertised in the late 60's on Chamberlin brochures 
but only as  'voices' and not as a choir. The Mellotron really nailed the 
choir  sound. 
> > 
> > Ā 
>  > 
> > Ā 
> > 
> > On  Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Charles <charel196@>  wrote:
> > 
> > Ā  
>  > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > I was always surprised Mike Pinder never  used any choirs with the 
Moodies, or had the band members do  Mellotron tapes. Imagine Justin, John, Ray, 
and Mike making vocal  tapes for that massed "OM" effect or the backing 
ahhhs on Melancholy  Man....a missed opportunity.
> > If Harry did the solo  voices in the 50s and Mellotron used Music 
Masters as a guide, why  didn't Mellotron add human voices to their units until 
the  M400?

> > Ā 
> > Ā 
>  >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> 
>  Grizzled lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear,  in a live setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.
> 
> I wouldn't go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing.  Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome btw.
> 
> 
> fritz
> 

I second the motion. If I had a tron of any sort I'd take it everywhere I could. I've already taken my Conn spinnet out for a gig, though it is "stupid heavy." That big piece of furniture was the coolest thing J's Sports Bar and Grill had seen. A 400 would be no issue.

Related; I've been thinking lately. It used to be that ownership of any Mellotron would make me very happy indeed. I'm sure I'd still be damned happy to have a 400, but since I saw the premiere of Murray Lerner's Isle of Wight footage (and he sat directly behind me) my thoughts have been fixed on a MkII. I'd take one of those on gigs in a heartbeat, even if I had to bribe my band mates to move that thing around. (And I have no clue if I'd even have a reaction much if I ran across a 300. My eyes say it's a 'tron but my ears say no. I assume I'm not alone in this.)

So yes, I'd love to gig a tron, especially one of those big pieces of furniture.

-Sean

If i had one now, i would be bringing it to my gig on the 25th. No question. Fix it after if need be. 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <fourtytwominds@...> wrote:

>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> >  Grizzled lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear,  in a live setting.  I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.
> > 
> > I wouldn't go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing.  Lamb's new album, "5", is  pretty awesome btw.
> > 
> > 
> > fritz
> > 
> 
> I second the motion. If I had a tron of any sort I'd take it everywhere I could. I've already taken my Conn spinnet out for a gig, though it is "stupid heavy." That big piece of furniture was the coolest thing J's Sports Bar and Grill had seen. A 400 would be no issue.
> 
> Related; I've been thinking lately. It used to be that ownership of any Mellotron would make me very happy indeed. I'm sure I'd still be damned happy to have a 400, but since I saw the premiere of Murray Lerner's Isle of Wight footage (and he sat directly behind me) my thoughts have been fixed on a MkII. I'd take one of those on gigs in a heartbeat, even if I had to bribe my band mates to move that thing around. (And I have no clue if I'd even have a reaction much if I ran across a 300. My eyes say it's a 'tron but my ears say no. I assume I'm not alone in this.)
> 
> So yes, I'd love to gig a tron, especially one of those big pieces of furniture.
> 
> -Sean
>

Don't forget your tools and "spares"......

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:19 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
> Grizzled lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear, in a live setting. I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.
>
> I wouldn't go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing. Lamb's new album, "5", is pretty awesome btw.
>
>
> fritz
>

I second the motion. If I had a tron of any sort I'd take it everywhere I could. I've already taken my Conn spinnet out for a gig, though it is "stupid heavy." That big piece of furniture was the coolest thing J's Sports Bar and Grill had seen. A 400 would be no issue.

Related; I've been thinking lately. It used to be that ownership of any Mellotron would make me very happy indeed. I'm sure I'd still be damned happy to have a 400, but since I saw the premiere of Murray Lerner's Isle of Wight footage (and he sat directly behind me) my thoughts have been fixed on a MkII. I'd take one of those on gigs in a heartbeat, even if I had to bribe my band mates to move that thing around. (And I have no clue if I'd even have a reaction much if I ran across a 300. My eyes say it's a 'tron but my ears say no. I assume I'm not alone in this.)

So yes, I'd love to gig a tron, especially one of those big pieces of furniture.

-Sean

That road case won't protect you from the insides falling apart mid-gig!! :)

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:15 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MOODY BLUES voices EEEEEK



Is Doug Berg still on this list?  He gigged his M400 all over up around the Cleveland area - he's the one to talk to about this.  I totally understand the desire to this, but I think the first time someone dropped their end or poured a pitcher of beer into it and I was looking at having to fix the damage and I was looking at the $20 from my split of the take at Piggie's Sports Bar, I'd be having some pretty hard core second thoughts about gigging my Tron.  If I had a road case, it might be a different story.
jb

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Sean <fourtytwominds@yahoo.com<mailto:fourtytwominds@yahoo.com>> wrote:

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
> Grizzled lazy grumpy musicians won't use them live, but many younger musicians would jump at the chance to use a tron, as well as most vintage/analog gear, in a live setting. I am constantly encouraged by the interest from the next generation of players in quality vintage/analog gear.
>
> I wouldn't go see the Moodies no matter what gear they hauled out on stage...not my thing. Lamb's new album, "5", is pretty awesome btw.
>
>
> fritz
>
I second the motion. If I had a tron of any sort I'd take it everywhere I could. I've already taken my Conn spinnet out for a gig, though it is "stupid heavy." That big piece of furniture was the coolest thing J's Sports Bar and Grill had seen. A 400 would be no issue.

Related; I've been thinking lately. It used to be that ownership of any Mellotron would make me very happy indeed. I'm sure I'd still be damned happy to have a 400, but since I saw the premiere of Murray Lerner's Isle of Wight footage (and he sat directly behind me) my thoughts have been fixed on a MkII. I'd take one of those on gigs in a heartbeat, even if I had to bribe my band mates to move that thing around. (And I have no clue if I'd even have a reaction much if I ran across a 300. My eyes say it's a 'tron but my ears say no. I assume I'm not alone in this.)

So yes, I'd love to gig a tron, especially one of those big pieces of furniture.

-Sean

All stuff and nonsense.  Jean Michel Jarre toured the world with a MKII in 1997/98 and the only mishap was when the wagon hit a HUGE pothole in Siberia or some such aplace and a tape jumped out of the guide either side'o'the headblock.  The beast still works and has never been serviced since.  The horror stories are not as prevelant as the myth implies.

Arse,

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 8 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

> That road case won’t protect you from the insides falling apart mid-gig!! J
> 
>  
>

Ah, the pleasures of email!  I'm not oversensitive my dear chap, just  
making an overly confident comment in defence of the dear old things.   
Intonation...............that's what's missing.  It's the source of all  conflict in 
this hideous medium.
 
Besticles,
 
M
 
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www.mellotronics.co.uk
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In a message dated 08/06/2011 10:24:09 GMT Daylight Time, gabru@comsec.net  
writes:

you seem to  be overly sensitive on the issue which I understand but it 
really wasn’t a  cheap shot  
directed at  you in any case  Martin.

Martin, I don't think you can ever kill the myth.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:

>
> All stuff and nonsense.  Jean Michel Jarre toured the world with a MKII in 1997/98 and the only mishap was when the wagon hit a HUGE pothole in Siberia or some such aplace and a tape jumped out of the guide either side'o'the headblock.  The beast still works and has never been serviced since.  The horror stories are not as prevelant as the myth implies.
> 
> Arse,
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 Jun 2011, at 07:32, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
> 
> > That road case won’t protect you from the insides falling apart mid-gig!! J
> > 
> >  
> >
>

> tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
> All stuff and nonsense. The horror stories are not as prevelant as
> the myth implies.


If only that were true.  

My tron was great for several years, and during that time I couldn't believe all the horror stories I read on the internet. I laughed at the Streetly sticker on the inside of the tron advising when the next scheduled maintenance should be. It's been so reliable and simple to maintain, what could possibly go wrong that can't be fixed? 

Then one summer night I felt the humidity increase as the winds came from the south and almost immediately a note disappeared.  Then other notes started warbling, and one by one the play time of each note decreased until it stopped altogether.  The tapes weren't rewinding properly. Not just one or two tapes that needed adjustment.  All the tapes, and all at once. 

Since then no amount of cleaning or adjusting the 70 pinch roller/pressure pad screws can make the tron fully reliable. I thought things might improve in the winter when humidity decreases, but NO.

The problem is the tapes.  They have over-indulged on the humidity and the water molecules have bound to the polymers in the tape. The tape characteristics have changed and now they won't flow properly through the tron. What was previously a workable design is now unworkable. 

I tried a different tape frame, one that had been sealed away to protect it from humidity.  It worked for a while and the same thing happened.  The workable turned into unworkable.  In the circumstances, it's a waste of money trying to fix a problem that's inherent in the design and cannot be eliminated.  

I now stare at the tron with bad intent, wondering what it would look like in the dump. 

It's made me a firm believer in all the internet tronlore. 

J

oh give me a break! don't drive your car through a river. it may not operate well afterwards.... also.....never use your sythesizer in a vat of lacquer thinner.....and if you can't handle this.....sell it to me for a small price...: )

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "mettalliccasucks" <mickey___mouse___@...> wrote:

>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > tronbros <tronbros@> wrote:
> >
> > All stuff and nonsense. The horror stories are not as prevelant as
> > the myth implies.
> 
> 
> If only that were true.  
> 
> My tron was great for several years, and during that time I couldn't believe all the horror stories I read on the internet. I laughed at the Streetly sticker on the inside of the tron advising when the next scheduled maintenance should be. It's been so reliable and simple to maintain, what could possibly go wrong that can't be fixed? 
> 
> Then one summer night I felt the humidity increase as the winds came from the south and almost immediately a note disappeared.  Then other notes started warbling, and one by one the play time of each note decreased until it stopped altogether.  The tapes weren't rewinding properly. Not just one or two tapes that needed adjustment.  All the tapes, and all at once. 
> 
> Since then no amount of cleaning or adjusting the 70 pinch roller/pressure pad screws can make the tron fully reliable. I thought things might improve in the winter when humidity decreases, but NO.
> 
> The problem is the tapes.  They have over-indulged on the humidity and the water molecules have bound to the polymers in the tape. The tape characteristics have changed and now they won't flow properly through the tron. What was previously a workable design is now unworkable. 
> 
> I tried a different tape frame, one that had been sealed away to protect it from humidity.  It worked for a while and the same thing happened.  The workable turned into unworkable.  In the circumstances, it's a waste of money trying to fix a problem that's inherent in the design and cannot be eliminated.  
> 
> I now stare at the tron with bad intent, wondering what it would look like in the dump. 
> 
> It's made me a firm believer in all the internet tronlore. 
> 
> J
>

That is a horror story.  Can I ask what tape stock is on your frames.  Is it shiny backed and brown or black backed like Ampex.  If it is the latter, therein lies the problem!  If it is the former then I will be genuinely surprised.

Best,

Martin

mellotronics.co.uk

On 9 Jun 2011, at 01:27, "mettalliccasucks" <mickey___mouse___@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> > tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >
> > All stuff and nonsense. The horror stories are not as prevelant as
> > the myth implies.
> 
> If only that were true. 
> 
> My tron was great for several years, and during that time I couldn't believe all the horror stories I read on the internet. I laughed at the Streetly sticker on the inside of the tron advising when the next scheduled maintenance should be. It's been so reliable and simple to maintain, what could possibly go wrong that can't be fixed? 
> 
> Then one summer night I felt the humidity increase as the winds came from the south and almost immediately a note disappeared. Then other notes started warbling, and one by one the play time of each note decreased until it stopped altogether. The tapes weren't rewinding properly. Not just one or two tapes that needed adjustment. All the tapes, and all at once. 
> 
> Since then no amount of cleaning or adjusting the 70 pinch roller/pressure pad screws can make the tron fully reliable. I thought things might improve in the winter when humidity decreases, but NO.
> 
> The problem is the tapes. They have over-indulged on the humidity and the water molecules have bound to the polymers in the tape. The tape characteristics have changed and now they won't flow properly through the tron. What was previously a workable design is now unworkable. 
> 
> I tried a different tape frame, one that had been sealed away to protect it from humidity. It worked for a while and the same thing happened. The workable turned into unworkable. In the circumstances, it's a waste of money trying to fix a problem that's inherent in the design and cannot be eliminated. 
> 
> I now stare at the tron with bad intent, wondering what it would look like in the dump. 
> 
> It's made me a firm believer in all the internet tronlore. 
> 
> J
> 
>

I had my M400 for 25 years and rarely had any issues....even in extreme humidity. My first tape frame was used for 5 or 6 years before I bought a new one. I used Radio Shack tape head LUBRICANT on every piece of metal the tape flowed over (except the capstan) and the tapes never stuck and flowed easily.Once I played under a huge circus tent with open walls beside a river in Arizona in 100 degree heat with high moisture in the air and the tron worked just fine.I imagine direct sunlight on the cabinet would affect the tapes (see the Strawbs' Arizona experience)



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "mettalliccasucks" <mickey___mouse___@...> wrote:

>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > tronbros <tronbros@> wrote:
> >
> > All stuff and nonsense. The horror stories are not as prevelant as
> > the myth implies.
> 
> 
> If only that were true.  
> 
> My tron was great for several years, and during that time I couldn't believe all the horror stories I read on the internet. I laughed at the Streetly sticker on the inside of the tron advising when the next scheduled maintenance should be. It's been so reliable and simple to maintain, what could possibly go wrong that can't be fixed? 
> 
> Then one summer night I felt the humidity increase as the winds came from the south and almost immediately a note disappeared.  Then other notes started warbling, and one by one the play time of each note decreased until it stopped altogether.  The tapes weren't rewinding properly. Not just one or two tapes that needed adjustment.  All the tapes, and all at once. 
> 
> Since then no amount of cleaning or adjusting the 70 pinch roller/pressure pad screws can make the tron fully reliable. I thought things might improve in the winter when humidity decreases, but NO.
> 
> The problem is the tapes.  They have over-indulged on the humidity and the water molecules have bound to the polymers in the tape. The tape characteristics have changed and now they won't flow properly through the tron. What was previously a workable design is now unworkable. 
> 
> I tried a different tape frame, one that had been sealed away to protect it from humidity.  It worked for a while and the same thing happened.  The workable turned into unworkable.  In the circumstances, it's a waste of money trying to fix a problem that's inherent in the design and cannot be eliminated.  
> 
> I now stare at the tron with bad intent, wondering what it would look like in the dump. 
> 
> It's made me a firm believer in all the internet tronlore. 
> 
> J
>