The Mellotron Group

For the guitar players on the board.  This will make you smile.

  http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0

John
#911

On Apr 22, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Tom Doncourt wrote:

> Cool! From that to this-
> 
> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM

She's a really excellent technician, no doubt, but she's playing this from memory. If you check it out, there's another clip where she's playing on a different guitar, but what's she's playing is exactly the same. It's sort of sad. All dressed up and nowhere to go...

Rick

From an expert.... 
 
 
In a message dated 4/22/2011 12:47:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other,  I'm afraid.

On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:  
 
Cool! From that to this- 
_http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM_ (http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM) 

On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:



 
For the guitar players on the board. This will make you  smile.

_http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0)

Oh I wish I could play as soulessly as that.

Mike,

You actually thought the five children playing was soulless?  It's mind numbing how cynical and bitter you are.  If there is pity to had, it's on you, I'm afraid.


fritz

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers


  
    
                  
        Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as      the other, I'm afraid.
    
    On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:    
                       
            
Cool! From that to this-
            
http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
              
                
On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
                
                
                  
                                         
                      
For the guitar players on the board. This will                        make you smile.
                        
                        http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0

Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in the
states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great players
and be thankfull for the early  music education. Mike raises the bar very
high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it ----so....

>
>             Fritz -
>
>        Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
>     and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's
> neither bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I
>    heard no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of
>     what they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL
> 9000     playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning,
> but there     is no heart in any of it.
>
>      Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing
>  would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness
>  isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them.
>
>      I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
> music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
> but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised
>    that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids
>     almost lets you see it.
>
>      Mike
>
>
>      On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:             
>                     Mike,
>
>                        You actually thought the five children playing was
>                      soulless?  It's mind numbing
> how cynical and                       bitter you
> are.  If there is pity to had, it's on
>           you, I'm afraid.
>
>
>                        fritz
>
>
>

Mike, until a person is old enough to have applied real emotion to life  
experience, it would be nearly impossible to convey it through artistic  
expression of any kind. They're 5 years old. All they know is the technical  
aspects of the guitar. The talent is there. The rest will come over time.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 4/23/2011 11:18:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Fritz -

Pity me if you really want to, but I thought  it looked mechanical and 
sounded almost completely played 'by rote'.  It's neither bitter nor cynical - 
it's what I gathered from the film. I heard  no feel, no attempt to 
interpret, no real understanding of what they were  playing...nothing. It was like 
listening to HAL 9000 playing Bach. Perhaps the  pitching and timing is 
stunning, but there is no heart in any of  it.

Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing  would 
barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness isn't going  to 
be available (or accessible) to any of them. 

I heard it the same  way I hear so many child prodigies playing music; 
perhaps brilliant from a  strictly technical point of view, but utterly hopeless 
in terms of any  artistry. I am really surprised that you cannot hear it. 
The fixed smiles on  the faces of the kids almost lets you see it.

Mike


On  23/04/2011 15:17, _fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)   wrote:  
 
Mike,

You actually  thought the five children playing was soulless?  It's mind 
numbing how  cynical and bitter you are.  If there is pity to had, it's on 
you, I'm  afraid.


fritz

Hi guys-
  I think the kids had to learn the musical parts thoroughly before the stage act was implemented.  It makes for happy parents (and possibly a happy government).  Soulless?  Between the give and take of the kids and the actual audience I bet they were having a great time.
  Learning by rote is a part of life for the amateur, and the feeling found in the music may be fleeting.  In high school orchestra we learned a short Mozart piece which we collectively came to hate.  But our conductor (thankfully) only ran through it once or twice per class.  We learned the piece, and got better.   However, our conductor had ulterior motives.  He wanted it in the local high school music competition, which we found out at the last minute.  We groaned and played it.  We took 2nd place.  To this day I don't know if we were any good.  I don't know if we showed any feelings, artistry, soul, or finesse.  But, we had fun.  And someone, including the judges, liked our performance.
   Come on, Mike, let the amateurs have their day.  They shine once in a while.
 
  -Bruce D.
 


--- On Sat, 4/23/11, Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:


From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 9:40 AM


  



Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in the
states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great players
and be thankfull for the early music education. Mike raises the bar very
high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it ----so....

>
> Fritz -
>
> Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
> and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's
> neither bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I
> heard no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of
> what they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL
> 9000 playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning,
> but there is no heart in any of it.
>
> Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing
> would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness
> isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them.
>
> I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
> music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
> but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised
> that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids
> almost lets you see it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@aol.com wrote: Â 
> Mike,
>
> You actually thought the five children playing was
> soulless?  It's mind numbing
> how cynical and bitter you
> are.  If there is pity to had, it's on
> you, I'm afraid.
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>

I agree that this looks like a drilled-in, practiced-to-death sort of 
thing. But since one of the key aspects of music is expressing joy (as 
well as pain, sorrow, loss, ecstasy, etc.), then 5 year olds can 
experience that part of what music is about. Perhaps that is why, as 
grating as it may be to our more 'experienced' ear, children really 
enjoy hearing and singing simple, happy songs.

Vance

On 4/23/2011 9:55 AM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
> Mike, until a person is old enough to have applied real emotion to 
> life experience, it would be nearly impossible to convey it through 
> artistic expression of any kind. They're 5 years old. All they know is 
> the technical aspects of the guitar. The talent is there. The rest 
> will come over time.
> Frank
> In a message dated 4/23/2011 11:18:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:
>
>     Fritz -
>
>     Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
>     and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's neither
>     bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I heard
>     no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of what
>     they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL 9000
>     playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning, but
>     there is no heart in any of it.
>
>     Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing
>     would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness
>     isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them.
>
>     I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
>     music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
>     but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really
>     surprised that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces
>     of the kids almost lets you /see /it.
>
>     Mike
>
>
>     On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
>
>>     Mike,
>>
>>     You actually thought the five children playing was soulless? 
>>     It's mind numbing how cynical and bitter you are.  If there is
>>     pity to had, it's on you, I'm afraid.
>>
>>
>>     fritz
>>
>
>
>

�

Come on, Mike, let the amateurs have their day.� They shine once in a while.

By rote? Yes, although we certainly don't know their individual skill levels.  I was singing in harmony at their age....  Mechanical? Value judgement perhaps, but I'll give that to you. But to say their "soulless" playing invokes pity from you is pretentious and elitist in my opinion.  "utterly hopeless" at that age?  Mike, why do they even try then ?  The school should have you consult those children and get them on a path to something a little more hopeful, since there is just no chance in hell of them ever reaching any level of artistry.

Mike, I don't hear the stale, cold calculated notes that you, I hear music, and it made me smile too.

fritz

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers


  
    
                  
        Fritz -
      
      Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical      and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's    neither bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I    heard no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of    what they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL 9000    playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning, but there    is no heart in any of it.
    
    Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing    would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness    isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them. 
    
    I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing    music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,    but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised    that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids    almost lets you see it.
    
    Mike
    
    
    On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:    
                       
            
                  
 Mike,
                      
                      You actually thought the five children playing was                      soulless?  It's mind numbing how cynical and                      bitter you are.  If there is pity to had, it's on                      you, I'm afraid.
                      
                      
                      fritz

Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance of getting over it...ever.

A truly great musician is not one who stands out from all the rest, but one who makes all the musicians around him sound better than they really are.

fritz

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers


  
    
                  
Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in the
states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great players
and be thankfull for the early  music education. Mike raises the bar very
high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it ----so....

>
>             Fritz -
>
>        Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
>     and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's
> neither bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I
>    heard no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of
>     what they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL
> 9000     playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning,
> but there     is no heart in any of it.
>
>      Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing
>  would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness
>  isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them.
>
>      I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
> music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
> but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised
>    that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids
>     almost lets you see it.
>
>      Mike
>
>
>      On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:            Â 
>                     Mike,
>
>                        You actually thought the five children playing was
>                      soulless?  It's mind numbing
> how cynical and                       bitter you
> are.  If there is pity to had, it's on
>           you, I'm afraid.
>
>
>                        fritz
>
>
>

Which is subject to who you are and what you do....

>
>             It has nothing to do with me or what *I* do. It's my
> subjective observation.
>
>      On 23/04/2011 16:40, Thomas C. Doncourt wrote:
> Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've               seen
> here in the
>                states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to
>             be great players
>                and be thankfull for the early music education. Mike
>        raises the bar very
>                high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it
>    ----so....
>

Exactly Fritz!!! Just ask any of us drummers...
 
"Ever thought from here on in your life begins and all you knew was wrong?"
... Porcupine Tree
 
"But when you think of me tune in the frequency, Come out and play come out and play"
...Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams

 "Nothing can change the shape of things to come." 
... Max Frost
 


________________________________
From: "fdoddy@aol.com" <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers


  
Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance of getting over it...ever.

A truly great musician is not one who stands out from all the rest, but one who makes all the musicians around him sound better than they really are.

fritz




-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers


  
Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in the
states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great players
and be thankfull for the early  music education. Mike raises the bar very
high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it ----so....

>
>             Fritz -
>
>        Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
>     and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's
> neither bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I
>    heard no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of
>     what they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL
> 9000     playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning,
> but there     is no heart in any of it.
>
>      Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing
>  would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness
>  isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them.
>
>      I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
> music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
> but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised
>    that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids
>     almost lets you see it.
>
>      Mike
>
>
>      On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:            Â 
>                     Mike,
>
>                        You actually thought the five children playing was
>                      soulless?  It's mind numbing
> how cynical and                       bitter you
> are.  If there is pity to had, it's on
>           you, I'm afraid.
>
>
>                        fritz
>
>
>

I think that's why I've most always preferred bands to solo performers. The group mind seems to make them greater than the sum of the parts. In most cases, when members of a band go on to solo careers, their music usually doesn't sound as good to my ears. Of course there are exceptions. The Beatles come to mind.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:

>
> 
>  Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance of getting over it...ever.
> 
> A truly great musician is not one who stands out from all the rest, but one who makes all the musicians around him sound better than they really are.
> 
> fritz
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 11:55 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in the
> states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great players
> and be thankfull for the early  music education. Mike raises the bar very
> high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it ----so....
> 
> >
> >             Fritz -
> >
> >        Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
> >     and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's
> > neither bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I
> >    heard no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of
> >     what they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL
> > 9000     playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning,
> > but there     is no heart in any of it.
> >
> >      Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing
> >  would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness
> >  isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them.
> >
> >      I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
> > music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
> > but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised
> >    that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids
> >     almost lets you see it.
> >
> >      Mike
> >
> >
> >      On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@... wrote:            Â 
> >                     Mike,
> >
> >                        You actually thought the five children playing was
> >                      soulless?  It's mind numbing
> > how cynical and                       bitter you
> > are.  If there is pity to had, it's on
> >           you, I'm afraid.
> >
> >
> >                        fritz
> >
> >
> >
>

What is wrong with being amateur, playing for fun and enjoyment?

A professional is somebody that plays for money. I have watched many bands over the years play as if they were doing me a favour, obviously bored with the whole thing.

Despite being drilled, the expressions on those children's face radiated joy. I would settle for that any day.

Mark
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:

>
> 
>  Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance of getting over it...ever.
> 
> A truly great musician is not one who stands out from all the rest, but one who makes all the musicians around him sound better than they really are.
> 
> fritz
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 11:55 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in the
> states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great players
> and be thankfull for the early  music education. Mike raises the bar very
> high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it ----so....
> 
> >
> >             Fritz -
> >
> >        Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
> >     and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's
> > neither bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I
> >    heard no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of
> >     what they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL
> > 9000     playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning,
> > but there     is no heart in any of it.
> >
> >      Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a thing
> >  would barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness
> >  isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of them.
> >
> >      I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
> > music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
> > but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised
> >    that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids
> >     almost lets you see it.
> >
> >      Mike
> >
> >
> >      On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@... wrote:            Â 
> >                     Mike,
> >
> >                        You actually thought the five children playing was
> >                      soulless?  It's mind numbing
> > how cynical and                       bitter you
> > are.  If there is pity to had, it's on
> >           you, I'm afraid.
> >
> >
> >                        fritz
> >
> >
> >
>

Me too!
 
 
In a message dated 4/23/2011 1:01:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
john.wright@consona.com writes:

 
 
 
 
Hi  All, 
I didn’t  meant to start a thing.  Only posted because it made me  smile. 
John 

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike  Dickson
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:18 AM
To:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  OT-Future ax slingers

 
 
 
Fritz -

Pity me if you really want  to, but I thought it looked mechanical and 
sounded almost completely  played 'by rote'. It's neither bitter nor cynical - 
it's what I gathered from  the film. I heard no feel, no attempt to 
interpret, no real understanding of  what they were playing...nothing. It was like 
listening to HAL 9000 playing  Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is 
stunning, but there is no heart in  any of it.

Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such a  thing would 
barely be possible since that sort of musical consciousness isn't  going to 
be available (or accessible) to any of them. 

I heard it the  same way I hear so many child prodigies playing music; 
perhaps brilliant from  a strictly technical point of view, but utterly hopeless 
in terms of any  artistry. I am really surprised that you cannot hear it. 
The fixed smiles on  the faces of the kids almost lets you see it.

Mike


On  23/04/2011 15:17, _fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)  wrote:  
 
 
Mike,

You actually thought the  five children playing was soulless?  It's mind 
numbing how cynical and  bitter you are.  If there is pity to had, it's on 
you, I'm  afraid.


fritz

Then there's me. I make all the musicians around me sound better than  I.
 
 
In a message dated 4/23/2011 2:10:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance of  
getting over it...ever.

A truly great musician is not one who stands  out from all the rest, but 
one who makes all the musicians around him sound  better than they really are.

fritz








-----Original  Message-----
From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
To:  newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr  23, 2011 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax  slingers


 
 
 
Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in  the
states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great  players
and be thankfull for the early music education. Mike raises the bar  very
high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it  ----so....

>
> Fritz -
>
> Pity me if you really  want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
> and sounded almost  completely played 'by rote'. It's
> neither bitter nor cynical - it's  what I gathered from the film. I
> heard no feel, no attempt to  interpret, no real understanding of
> what they were playing...nothing.  It was like listening to HAL
> 9000 playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching  and timing is stunning,
> but there is no heart in any of  it.
>
> Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such  a thing
> would barely be possible since that sort of musical  consciousness
> isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of  them.
>
> I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies  playing
> music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of  view,
> but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really  surprised
> that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of  the kids
> almost lets you see it.
>
>  Mike
>
>
> On 23/04/2011 15:17, _fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)   wrote: Â 
> Mike,
>
> You actually thought the five  children playing was
> soulless?  It's mind numbing
> how  cynical and bitter you
> are.  If there is pity to had, it's  on
> you, I'm afraid.
>
>
>  fritz
>
>
>

The expression on my face and Karen's face were joyous as well.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 4/23/2011 4:45:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
markpringnz@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
What is wrong with being amateur, playing for fun and enjoyment?

A  professional is somebody that plays for money. I have watched many bands 
over  the years play as if they were doing me a favour, obviously bored 
with the  whole thing.

Despite being drilled, the expressions on those children's  face radiated 
joy. I would settle for that any day.

Mark
--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> 
> Mike has raised the bar so high  that mere children have no chance of 
getting over it...ever.
> 
>  A truly great musician is not one who stands out from all the rest, but 
one  who makes all the musicians around him sound better than they really  
are.
> 
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
>  Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 11:55 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  OT-Future ax slingers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in  the
> states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great  
players

> and be thankfull for the early music education. Mike raises  the bar very
> high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it  ----so....
> 
> >
> > Fritz -
> >
>  > Pity me if you really want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
>  > and sounded almost completely played 'by rote'. It's
> > neither  bitter nor cynical - it's what I gathered from the film. I
> > heard  no feel, no attempt to interpret, no real understanding of
> > what  they were playing...nothing. It was like listening to HAL
> > 9000  playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching and timing is stunning,
> > but  there is no heart in any of it.
> >
> > Then again, the kids  playing were of such an age that such a thing
> > would barely be  possible since that sort of musical consciousness
> > isn't going to  be available (or accessible) to any of them.
> >
> > I heard  it the same way I hear so many child prodigies playing
> > music;  perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of view,
> > but  utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really surprised
> >  that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of the kids
>  > almost lets you see it.
> >
> > Mike
>  >
> >
> > On 23/04/2011 15:17, fdoddy@... wrote: Â  
> > Mike,
> >
> > You actually thought the five  children playing was
> > soulless? It's mind numbing
> >  how cynical and bitter you
> > are. If there is pity to had, it's  on
> > you, I'm afraid.
> >
> >
> >  fritz
> >
> >
> >
>

Isn't this a great group. Here we are, to a man, disagreeing with Mike.  

 
In a message dated 4/23/2011 2:10:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance of  
getting over it...ever.

A truly great musician is not one who stands  out from all the rest, but 
one who makes all the musicians around him sound  better than they really are.

fritz








-----Original  Message-----
From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
To:  newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr  23, 2011 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax  slingers


 
 
 
Kind of like most of the early age piano recitals I've seen here in  the
states... maybe one or two of those kids will turn out to be great  players
and be thankfull for the early music education. Mike raises the bar  very
high but, fortunately , his work stands up to it  ----so....

>
> Fritz -
>
> Pity me if you really  want to, but I thought it looked mechanical
> and sounded almost  completely played 'by rote'. It's
> neither bitter nor cynical - it's  what I gathered from the film. I
> heard no feel, no attempt to  interpret, no real understanding of
> what they were playing...nothing.  It was like listening to HAL
> 9000 playing Bach. Perhaps the pitching  and timing is stunning,
> but there is no heart in any of  it.
>
> Then again, the kids playing were of such an age that such  a thing
> would barely be possible since that sort of musical  consciousness
> isn't going to be available (or accessible) to any of  them.
>
> I heard it the same way I hear so many child prodigies  playing
> music; perhaps brilliant from a strictly technical point of  view,
> but utterly hopeless in terms of any artistry. I am really  surprised
> that you cannot hear it. The fixed smiles on the faces of  the kids
> almost lets you see it.
>
>  Mike
>
>
> On 23/04/2011 15:17, _fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)   wrote: Â 
> Mike,
>
> You actually thought the five  children playing was
> soulless?  It's mind numbing
> how  cynical and bitter you
> are.  If there is pity to had, it's  on
> you, I'm afraid.
>
>
>  fritz
>
>
>

Moby is total dick and this video is just sickening - hoarding dozens and dozens of instruments, never even playing them. Real musicians could be using these things, rather than this twat lining his shelves with them.


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:

>
> Unintentionally, I came across this video and thought some of the people on this list who are also interested in vintage drum machines might appreciate.
> 
> http://www.cratekings.com/mobys-insane-drum-machine-synth-collection/
>

I like Moby.  I am sure he isn't 100% penis.  He has recorded some wonderful stuff.  He's a great recording engineer and plays guitar very well too.


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Moby is total dick and this video is just sickening - hoarding dozens and dozens of instruments, never even playing them. Real musicians could be using these things, rather than this twat lining his shelves with them.
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@> wrote:
> >
> > Unintentionally, I came across this video and thought some of the people on this list who are also interested in vintage drum machines might appreciate.
> > 
> > http://www.cratekings.com/mobys-insane-drum-machine-synth-collection/
> >
>

I love the word 'twat' and would request that this group strengthens it's resolve to use it more often.  

Nigel Bollocks

mellotronics.co.uk



On 23 Apr 2011, at 23:58, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

> twat

On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:25 PM, tronbros wrote:

> I love the word 'twat' and would request that this group strengthens it's resolve to use it more often. 

Okay. You're a complete twat. 

Also, I really hate partial twats -- and 5-year-old amateur Chinese guitar-playing twats who play with absolutely no musical feeling who make certain twats smile and bring out the worst in at least one Scottish twat.

There. How's that?

I wish my parents had helped me find my talent at the age of 5.
 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2011 1:05:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
On 23/04/2011 19:09, _fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)   wrote:  
 
Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance of  
getting over it...ever.




I wasn't aware that this is a contest, Fritz.

I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what they are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh air and the fields. Let them find their souls again.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:

>
> 
>  Mike,
> 
> You actually thought the five children playing was soulless?  It's mind numbing how cynical and bitter you are.  If there is pity to had, it's on you, I'm afraid.
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
>         Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as      the other, I'm afraid.
>     
>     On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:    
>                        
>             
> Cool! From that to this-
>             
> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
>               
>                 
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>                 
>                 
>                   
>                                          
>                       
> For the guitar players on the board. This will                        make you smile.
>                         
>                         http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
>

And please fill their hearts with butterflies.
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2011 4:45:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
noel@arbelos.eu writes:

 
 
 
I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with  
Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These  
poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't bear  
thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what they are 
 doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh air and 
the  fields. Let them find their souls again.

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> 
> Mike,
> 
> You actually  thought the five children playing was soulless? It's mind 
numbing how cynical  and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on 
you, I'm afraid.
>  
> 
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike  Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
>  Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  OT-Future ax slingers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm  
afraid.
> 
> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote: 
>  
> 
> Cool! From that to this-
> 
> _http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM_ (http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM) 
>  
> 
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> For the guitar players on the  board. This will make you smile.
> 
> _http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0) 
>

You probably wouldn't wish it if they had "helped" you like a lot of 
astonishingly narcissitic coach dads and skater moms do. It's hard 
enough being a kid these days...

On 4/23/2011 10:16 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
> I wish my parents had helped me find my talent at the age of 5.
> In a message dated 4/24/2011 1:05:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:
>
>     On 23/04/2011 19:09, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
>
>>     Mike has raised the bar so high that mere children have no chance
>>     of getting over it...ever.
>>
>
>     I wasn't aware that this is a contest, Fritz.
>
>

and I prefer to think of Russel Brand as a twat's twat.

G. McT.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 7:26 PM, john barrick <;barrickjohn262@gmail.com > wrote:
Nigel's a twat.

Grunter McTavish


On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 6:25 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:


I love the word 'twat' and would request that this group strengthens it's resolve to use it more often.

Nigel Bollocks

mellotronics.co.uk

On 23 Apr 2011, at 23:58, "ClayE" < ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

> twat

Well said, Chris!
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2011 1:43:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means  
"Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
 
Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of  
sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet  
counterpart Kim Il Sung.
 
As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the  
Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border,  I can tell  you that these 
students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy  perfectly - without 
any thought of improvisation or expression because it is  immediately 
extinguished at the slightest emergence.
 
Now before the automaton reaction of  'politically incorrect'  enters the 
conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country  was largely 
destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has  been based upon 
copying either Americanism and it's influences (South  Korea) or Communism 
and it's influences (North Korea).
 
With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the  
people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well,  to the 
point where copying it better took over and originality or anything  
resembling it was discouraged. 
This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!
 
The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology)  is 
almost second nature to present day students. I have witnessed this first  
hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's  sake. 
 
Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what  
it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now  let's 
take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled  into 
them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have electricity as  
more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely different world than 
 you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda speaker systems in 
every  house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up on bedroom walls and 
larger  than family pictures. 
There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved  the 
pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to  death. 
 
 
Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are  
from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic  
context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.
 
 
As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion,  
these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive  
totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing on a  
much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids to  death 
by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being  in their best 
interests.
 
I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those  troublemaking parents 
out if I was a school coach. It might be the  only time they ever question 
their righteous behaviour before ruining  part of their kids childhood.
 
 
Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's  a modern Korean 
pop song. It's simultaneously humourous,  tragic, and irritating.
 
This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most  
unforgiveable modern North American pop music. 
What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else  
to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves. 
And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has  no 
idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the  fashion.  
 
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel <_noel@arbelos.eu_ 
(mailto:noel@arbelos.eu) > wrote:


 
 
 
I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with  
Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These  
poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't bear  
thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what they are 
 doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh air and 
the  fields. Let them find their souls again.  


--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , fdoddy@...  wrote:
>
> 

> Mike,
> 
> You actually thought the five  children playing was soulless? It's mind 
numbing how cynical and bitter you  are. If there is pity to had, it's on 
you, I'm afraid.
> 
>  
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To:  newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
> Sent: Fri,  Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax  slingers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Watched them  both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm afraid.
>  
> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote: 
> 
> 
>  Cool! From that to this-
> 
> _http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM_ (http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM) 
> 
> 
> On  Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> For the guitar players on the board. This will  make you smile.
> 
> _http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0) 
>

Chris, I agree with most of this except "The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology)"
I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian ideology.......


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dale
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers


Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet counterpart Kim Il Sung.

As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border,  I can tell you that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because it is immediately extinguished at the slightest emergence.

Now before the automaton reaction of  'politically incorrect' enters the conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was largely destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has been based upon copying either Americanism and it's influences (South Korea) or Communism and it's influences (North Korea).

With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well, to the point where copying it better took over and originality or anything resembling it was discouraged.
This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!

The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology) is almost second nature to present day students. I have witnessed this first hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's sake.

Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have electricity as more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely different world than you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up on bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to death.


Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.


As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion, these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids to death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being in their best interests.

I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents out if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids childhood.


Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's a modern Korean pop song. It's simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.

This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves.
And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has no idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the fashion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY
















On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel <noel@arbelos.eu<mailto:noel@arbelos.eu>> wrote:


I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what they are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh air and the fields. Let them find their souls again.


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@... wrote:

>
>
> Mike,
>
> You actually thought the five children playing was soulless? It's mind numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on you, I'm afraid.
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
>
>
>
>
>
> Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm afraid.
>
> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:
>
>
> Cool! From that to this-
>
> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> For the guitar players on the board. This will make you smile.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
>

My take is:

If it wasn't for YouTube, the tiger Moms would not get their 15 minutes of fame...  The children with the big guitars are getting prepared for Steven Tyler to tell them how wonderful they are...  Where's Ted Mack when you need him...

 
"Ever thought from here on in your life begins and all you knew was wrong?"
... Porcupine Tree
 
"But when you think of me tune in the frequency, Come out and play come out and play"
...Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams

 "Nothing can change the shape of things to come." 
... Max Frost
 


________________________________
From: "lsf5275@aol.com" <lsf5275@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers


  
Well said, Chris! 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2011 1:43:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:
  
>Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means  "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
> 
>Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of  sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet  counterpart Kim Il Sung.
> 
>As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the  Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border,  I can tell  you that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy  perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because it is  immediately extinguished at the slightest emergence.
> 
>Now before the automaton reaction of  'politically incorrect'  enters the conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country  was largely destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has  been based upon copying either Americanism and it's influences (South  Korea) or Communism and it's influences (North Korea).
> 
>With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the  people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well,  to the point where copying it better took over and originality or anything  resembling it was discouraged. 
>This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!
> 
>The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology)  is almost second nature to present day students. I have witnessed this first  hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's  sake. 
> 
>Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what  it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now  let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled  into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have electricity as  more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely different world than  you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda speaker systems in every  house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up on bedroom walls and larger  than family pictures. 
>There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved  the pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to  death. 
> 
> 
>Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are  from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic  context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.
> 
> 
>As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion,  these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive  totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing on a  much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids to  death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being  in their best interests.
> 
>I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those  troublemaking parents out if I was a school coach. It might be the  only time they ever question their righteous behaviour before ruining  part of their kids childhood.
> 
> 
>Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's  a modern Korean pop song. It's simultaneously humourous,  tragic, and irritating.
> 
>This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most  unforgiveable modern North American pop music. 
>What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else  to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves. 
>And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has  no idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the  fashion.  
> 
> 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel <noel@arbelos.eu> wrote:
>
>  
>>I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with  Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These  poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't bear  thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what they are  doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh air and the  fields. Let them find their souls again. 
>>
>>
>>--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@...  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> You actually thought the five 
    children playing was soulless? It's mind numbing how cynical and bitter you 
    are. If there is pity to had, it's on you, I'm afraid.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> fritz
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
>>> To: 
    newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Fri, 
    Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax 
    slingers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Watched them 
    both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm afraid.
>>> 
>>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
    Cool! From that to this-
>>> 
>>> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 
    Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For the guitar players on the board. This will 
    make you smile.

>>> 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
>>>
>>
>>
>

Hope that's a joke.  I am sure it is but if it isn't, it's a misguided remark.  Don't confuse pretentiousness with the ability to be less than bland!  

M

mellotronics.co.uk



On 24 Apr 2011, at 20:41, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

> Pretentiousness is in their nature…

Communist more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. The removal of individualistic thought does not promote much innovation. .

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers


Chris, I agree with most of this except "The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology)"
I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian ideology.......


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dale
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers


Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet counterpart Kim Il Sung.

As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border,  I can tell you that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because it is immediately extinguished at the slightest emergence.

Now before the automaton reaction of  'politically incorrect' enters the conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was largely destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has been based upon copying either Americanism and it's influences (South Korea) or Communism and it's influences (North Korea).

With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well, to the point where copying it better took over and originality or anything resembling it was discouraged.
This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!

The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology) is almost second nature to present day students. I have witnessed this first hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's sake.

Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have electricity as more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely different world than you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up on bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to death.


Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.


As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion, these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids to death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being in their best interests.

I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents out if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids childhood.


Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's a modern Korean pop song. It's simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.

This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves.
And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has no idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the fashion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY
















On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel <noel@arbelos.eu<mailto:noel@arbelos.eu>> wrote:


I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what they are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh air and the fields. Let them find their souls again.


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@... wrote:

>
>
> Mike,
>
> You actually thought the five children playing was soulless? It's mind numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on you, I'm afraid.
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
>
>
>
>
>
> Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm afraid.
>
> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:
>
>
> Cool! From that to this-
>
> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> For the guitar players on the board. This will make you smile.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
>

OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site for pities sake

> Communist more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. The
> removal of individualistic thought does not promote much innovation. .
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>
>
> Chris, I agree with most of this except "The emphasis on imitation over
> invention (largely an American ideology)"
> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian ideology.......
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dale
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>
>
> Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means
> "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
>
> Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of
> sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet
> counterpart Kim Il Sung.
>
> As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the
> Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border,  I can tell you
> that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy
> perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because it
> is immediately extinguished at the slightest emergence.
>
> Now before the automaton reaction of  'politically incorrect' enters the
> conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was largely
> destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has been
> based upon copying either Americanism and it's influences (South Korea) or
> Communism and it's influences (North Korea).
>
> With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the
> people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well,
> to the point where copying it better took over and originality or anything
> resembling it was discouraged.
> This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!
>
> The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology) is
> almost second nature to present day students. I have witnessed this first
> hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's sake.
>
> Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what
> it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now
> let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled
> into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have
> electricity as more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely
> different world than you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda
> speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up
> on bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
> There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the
> pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to death.
>
>
> Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are
> from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic
> context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.
>
>
> As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion,
> these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive
> totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing
> on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids
> to death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being in
> their best interests.
>
> I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents
> out if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question
> their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids childhood.
>
>
> Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's a modern Korean
> pop song. It's simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.
>
> This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most
> unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
> What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else
> to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves.
> And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has no
> idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the fashion.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel
> <noel@arbelos.eu<mailto:noel@arbelos.eu>> wrote:
>
>
> I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with
> Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These
> poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't
> bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what
> they are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh
> air and the fields. Let them find their souls again.
>
>
> --- In
> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> fdoddy@... wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> You actually thought the five children playing was soulless? It's mind
>> numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on
>> you, I'm afraid.
>>
>>
>> fritz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
>> To: newmellotrongroup
>> <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm
>> afraid.
>>
>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cool! From that to this-
>>
>> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
>>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For the guitar players on the board. This will make you smile.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
>>
>
>
>

I can't imagine what is 'less' than bland.
 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2011 5:04:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tronbros@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
Hope that's a joke. I am sure it is but if it isn't, it's a misguided  
remark. Don't confuse pretentiousness with the ability to be less than bland!  

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 24 Apr 2011, at 20:41, Gary  Brumm <_gabru@comsec.net_ 
(mailto:gabru@comsec.net) > wrote:

>  Pretentiousness is in their nature…

Wrong country, but how about our favorite 'Friday' girl - Rebecca Black? 
That's a special kind of bland.....

On 4/24/2011 2:47 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
> I can't imagine what is 'less' than bland.
> In a message dated 4/24/2011 5:04:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> tronbros@aol.com writes:
>
>     Hope that's a joke. I am sure it is but if it isn't, it's a
>     misguided remark. Don't confuse pretentiousness with the ability
>     to be less than bland!
>
>     M
>
>     mellotronics.co.uk
>
>     On 24 Apr 2011, at 20:41, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net
>     <mailto:gabru%40comsec.net>> wrote:
>
>     > Pretentiousness is in their nature\u2026
>
>

What happened to bland?
 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2011 6:51:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Gary -

On 24/04/2011 20:41, Gary Brumm wrote:  
 
 
Mike  is British….Pretentiousness is in their nature…some are just better 
at it  than others J



Go  fuck yourself.

sincerely and without pretention

Mike

Oh no....just another misguided remark....I apologize to all good Englishmen and of course to Mike (whatever nationality he may be) :)
He has always been thick skinned and gives as good as he gets!  I intended no disrespect to anyone on this group or otherwise.  I hope that
is understood......

Cheers,

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:43 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers



Um, Gary. I don't know how to break this to you but Mike isn't British.


On Apr 24, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Gary Brumm wrote:




I'm just messing with him....I have many wonderful Brit friends...it's all in good fun! :)

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:04 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers



Hope that's a joke. I am sure it is but if it isn't, it's a misguided remark. Don't confuse pretentiousness with the ability to be less than bland!

M

mellotronics.co.uk<http://mellotronics.co.uk>

On 24 Apr 2011, at 20:41, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net<mailto:gabru%40comsec.net>> wrote:

> Pretentiousness is in their nature...

Norwegians, Danes, and Swedes who live on the Scandinavian Peninsula are referred to as Scandinavian.  Why can't English, Irish, Welsh and Scottish people who live on the island of Great Britain be referred to as British?  Just asking.


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Rick Blechta <rick@...> wrote:
>
> Um, Gary. I don't know how to break this to you but Mike isn't British.
> 
> 
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Gary Brumm wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I'm just messing with him
.I have many wonderful Brit friends
it's all in good fun! J

> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:04 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hope that's a joke. I am sure it is but if it isn't, it's a misguided remark. Don't confuse pretentiousness with the ability to be less than bland! 
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > mellotronics.co.uk
> > 
> > On 24 Apr 2011, at 20:41, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Pretentiousness is in their nature

> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

I thought he wasn't English.
 
 
In a message dated 4/24/2011 8:43:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

 
 
 
Um, Gary. I don't know how to break this to you but Mike isn't British.  




On Apr 24, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Gary Brumm wrote:



 



I’m just  messing with him….I have many wonderful Brit friends…it’s all 
in good fun!  J 

From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  tronbros
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:04 PM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers

 
 
 
Hope that's a joke. I am sure it is but if it isn't, it's a misguided  
remark. Don't confuse pretentiousness with the ability to be less than  bland! 

M

_mellotronics.co.uk_ (http://mellotronics.co.uk/) 

On 24 Apr  2011, at 20:41, Gary Brumm <_gabru@comsec.net_ 
(mailto:gabru@comsec.net) > wrote:

>  Pretentiousness is in their nature…

Throw in the Icelandic too....Oh no

> Norwegians, Danes, and Swedes who live on the Scandinavian Peninsula are
> referred to as Scandinavian.  Why can't English, Irish, Welsh and Scottish
> people who live on the island of Great Britain be referred to as British?
> Just asking.
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Rick Blechta <rick@...> wrote:
>>
>> Um, Gary. I don't know how to break this to you but Mike isn't British.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Gary Brumm wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I'm just messing with him\ufffd.I have many wonderful Brit friends\ufffdit's all
>> in good fun! J
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:04 PM
>> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope that's a joke. I am sure it is but if it isn't, it's a misguided
>> remark. Don't confuse pretentiousness with the ability to be less than
>> bland!
>> >
>> > M
>> >
>> > mellotronics.co.uk
>> >
>> > On 24 Apr 2011, at 20:41, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Pretentiousness is in their nature\ufffd
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

It's full of commies, draining the rest of us of our natural bodily fluids! You think it was coincidence that video was posted? I think not.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas C. Doncourt
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:37 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Cc: 'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers



OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site for pities sake

> Communist more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. The
> removal of individualistic thought does not promote much innovation. .
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>
>
> Chris, I agree with most of this except "The emphasis on imitation over
> invention (largely an American ideology)"
> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian ideology.......
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Chris Dale
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>
>
> Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means
> "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
>
> Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of
> sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet
> counterpart Kim Il Sung.
>
> As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the
> Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border, I can tell you
> that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy
> perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because it
> is immediately extinguished at the slightest emergence.
>
> Now before the automaton reaction of 'politically incorrect' enters the
> conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was largely
> destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has been
> based upon copying either Americanism and it's influences (South Korea) or
> Communism and it's influences (North Korea).
>
> With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the
> people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well,
> to the point where copying it better took over and originality or anything
> resembling it was discouraged.
> This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!
>
> The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology) is
> almost second nature to present day students. I have witnessed this first
> hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's sake.
>
> Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what
> it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now
> let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled
> into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have
> electricity as more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely
> different world than you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda
> speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up
> on bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
> There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the
> pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to death.
>
>
> Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are
> from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic
> context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.
>
>
> As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion,
> these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive
> totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing
> on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids
> to death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being in
> their best interests.
>
> I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents
> out if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question
> their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids childhood.
>
>
> Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's a modern Korean
> pop song. It's simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.
>
> This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most
> unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
> What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else
> to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves.
> And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has no
> idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the fashion.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel
> <noel@arbelos.eu<mailto:noel%40arbelos.eu><mailto:noel@arbelos.eu<mailto:noel%40arbelos.eu>>> wrote:
>
>
> I don't often comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with
> Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These
> poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't
> bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what
> they are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh
> air and the fields. Let them find their souls again.
>
>
> --- In
> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> fdoddy@... wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> You actually thought the five children playing was soulless? It's mind
>> numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on
>> you, I'm afraid.
>>
>>
>> fritz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
>> To: newmellotrongroup
>> <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm
>> afraid.
>>
>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cool! From that to this-
>>
>> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
>>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For the guitar players on the board. This will make you smile.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
>>
>
>
>

Commie vampires sucking the creativity out of all of us along with our  
precious bodily fluids. I agree with John. There's some insidious plot at hand. 
 They are turning their children into talented but mindless robot droids, 
devoid  of emotion but still capable of a hell of a show.
 
Oddly, this same thing happened in England, except the experiment failed  
and the children grew up to become the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain and 
 who not only play well, but smile and tell jokes too.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/25/2011 8:59:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hammaren@geoconcepts.com writes:

 
 
 
 
It’s full of  commies, draining the rest of us of our natural bodily 
fluids! You think it  was coincidence that video was posted? I think not. 
 
 
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas C.  Doncourt
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:37 PM
To:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Cc:  'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: OT-Future ax slingers

 
 
OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site for pities sake

> Communist  more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. The
> removal  of individualistic thought does not promote much innovation. .
>
>  From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00 PM
>  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
>
>
> Chris, I agree with most of this except "The  emphasis on imitation over
> invention (largely an American  ideology)"
> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian  ideology.......
>
>
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups%20%20.com) 
>  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Chris Dale
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43 AM
>  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
>
>
> Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the  video say DPRK, which means
> "Democratic People's Republic of  Korea".
>
> Those of you familiar with history might remember that  it's a misnomer of
> sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and  Stalin's puppet
> counterpart Kim Il Sung.
>
> As an  educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the
>  Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border, I can tell you
>  that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy
>  perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because  
it
> is immediately extinguished at the slightest  emergence.
>
> Now before the automaton reaction of 'politically  incorrect' enters the
> conditioned and malleable mind, consider that  the country was largely
> destroyed during the Korean War and that their  entire culture has been
> based upon copying either Americanism and it's  influences (South Korea) 
or
> Communism and it's influences (North  Korea).
>
> With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing  in 3 years, the
> people had no choice but to copy everything else and  to do it very well,
> to the point where copying it better took over and  originality or 
anything
> resembling it was discouraged.
> This  idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!
>
> The emphasis on  imitation over invention (largely an American ideology) 
is
> almost  second nature to pr esent day students. I have witnessed this 
first
>  hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's  sake.
>
> Of course, these children will gradually learn the  bigger meaning of what
> it is they're doing, and let their artistic  sides emerge, but for now
> let's take comfort and enjoyment in what  they've achieved (and had 
drilled
> into them) to do, and the fact that  they've even eaten and have
> electricity as more than half of North  Korea doesn't. It's a completely
> different world than you can imagine,  with rampant starvation, propaganda
> speaker systems in every house,  and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up
> on bedroom walls and larger  than family pictures.
> There's even an incident where a man's home  caught fire and he saved the
> pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first  while his family burned to death.
>
>
> Anyway - this is a  singular performance because of where these kids are
> from and it needs  to be seen in it's proper social, political and 
economic
> context, and  not through the views most of us would normally hold.
>
>
>  As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my  opinion,
> these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the  oppressive
> totalitarian governements of the world because it's the  exact same thing
> on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and  suppress their kids
> to death by ruining any individual expression, in  the guise of being in
> their best interests.
>
> I'd have  no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents
> out if  I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question
>  their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids  childhood.
>
>
> Going back to what I said about musically  copying - here's a modern 
Korean< br>> pop song. It's simultaneously  humourous, tragic, and irritating.
>
> This is the legacy of years  of exposure to the worst and most
> unforgiveable modern North American  pop music.
> What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced  someone else
> to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than  ourselves.
> And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He  likely has no
> idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just  impressed by the fashion.
>
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY) 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel
> <_noel@arbelos.eu_ (mailto:noel@arbelos.eu) <mailto:_noel@arbelos.eu_ 
(mailto:noel@arbelos.eu) >>  wrote:
>
>
> I don't o ften comment on groups, but in this  case I have to. I agree 
with
> Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is  the very peak of soulessness. 
These
> poor mites have been programmed  out of their very humanity. It doesn't
> bear thinking about what they  have had to endure to get them to do what
> they are doing. Please make  them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh
> air and the fields. Let  them find their souls again.
>
>
> --- In
> _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
>  fdoddy@... wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Mike,
>>
>> You actually thought the five children playing  was soulless? It's mind
>> numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If  there is pity to had, it's on
>> you, I'm  afraid.
>>
>>
>>  fritz
>>
>>
>>
&  gt;>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Dickson  <mike.dickson@...>
>> To: newmellotrongroup
>> <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>  Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  OT-Future ax  slingers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm
>>  afraid.
>>
>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cool! From that to  this-
>>
>> _http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM_ (http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM) 
>>
>>
>>  On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  > For the guitar players on the board. This will make you  smile.
>>
>> _http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0) 

>>
>
>
>

This is what happens when these kinds of experiments go horribly  wrong.
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE) 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:17:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tomdcour@amnh.org writes:

 
 
 
getting my bodily fluids drained has always been a concern of mine- I  
figure the chinese and russians do as good a job  
as anyone else
P.S. I like what you wrote Chris


On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:56 AM, John Hammaren wrote:



 



It’s full  of commies, draining the rest of us of our natural bodily 
fluids! You think  it was coincidence that video was posted? I think not. 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas 
C.  Doncourt
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:37 PM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Cc:  _'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) '
Subject:  RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers

 
 
OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site for pities sake

> Communist  more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. The
> removal  of individualistic thought does not promote much innovation.  .
>
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00 PM
>  To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
>
>
> Chris, I agree with most of this except  "The emphasis on imitation over
> invention (largely an American  ideology)"
> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian  ideology.......
>
>
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups%20.com) 
>  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Chris Dale
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43  AM
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
>
>
> Well if not mistaken, the letters next to  the video say DPRK, which means
> "Democratic People's Republic of  Korea".
>
> Those of you familiar with history might remember  that it's a misnomer of
> sorts - a propaganda title used by North  Korea and Stalin's puppet
> counterpart Kim Il Sung.
>
>  As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the
>  Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border, I can tell  you
> that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or  copy
> perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression  because it
> is immediately extinguished at the slightest  emergence.
>
> Now before the automaton reaction of 'politically  incorrect' enters the
> conditioned and malleable mind, consider that  the country was largely
> destroyed during the Korean War and that  their entire culture has been
> based upon copying either Americanism  and it's influences (South Korea) 
or
> Communism and it's influences  (North Korea).
>
> With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost  nothing in 3 years, the
> people had no choice but to copy everything  else and to do it very well,
> to the point where copying it better  took over and originality or 
anything
> resembling it was  discouraged.
> This idea is shared by many Koreans by the  way!
>
> The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an  American ideology) 
is
> almost second nature to pr esent day students.  I have witnessed this 
first
> hand and attempt to drastically reduce  it for the student's sake.
>
> Of course, these children will  gradually learn the bigger meaning of what
> it is they're doing, and  let their artistic sides emerge, but for now
> let's take comfort and  enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had 
drilled
> into them) to  do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have
> electricity as  more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely
> different  world than you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda
>  speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung  up
> on bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
> There's  even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the
>  pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to  death.
>
>
> Anyway - this is a singular performance  because of where these kids are
> from and it needs to be seen in it's  proper social, political and 
economic
> context, and not through the  views most of us would normally hold.
>
>
> As far the  North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion,
> these  people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive
>  totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same  thing
> on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress  their kids
> to death by ruining any individual expression, in the  guise of being in
> their best interests.
>
> I'd have no  difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents
> out if  I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question
>  their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids  childhood.
>
>
> Going back to what I said about musically  copying - here's a modern 
Korean< br>> pop song. It's  simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.
>
> This is  the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most
> unforgiveable  modern North American pop music.
> What a shame that our vapid music  industries have influnced someone else
> to make bigger mounds of  sonic garbage than ourselves.
> And check out the guy dressed as Robin  (from Batman). He likely has no
> idea who Robin actually is at all,  and was just impressed by the fashion.
>
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY) 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel
> <_noel@arbelos.eu_ (mailto:noel@arbelos.eu) <mailto:_noel@arbelos.eu_ 
(mailto:noel@arbelos.eu) >>  wrote:
>
>
> I don't o ften comment on groups, but in this  case I have to. I agree 
with
> Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is  the very peak of soulessness. 
These
> poor mites have been programmed  out of their very humanity. It doesn't
> bear thinking about what they  have had to endure to get them to do what
> they are doing. Please  make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh
> air and the  fields. Let them find their souls again.
>
>
> ---  In
> _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
>  fdoddy@... wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Mike,
>>
>> You actually thought the five children playing  was soulless? It's mind
>> numbing how cynical and bitter you are.  If there is pity to had, it's on
>> you, I'm  afraid.
>>
>>
>>  fritz
>>
>>
>>
&  gt;>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Dickson  <mike.dickson@...>
>> To: newmellotrongroup
>>  <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>  Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>> Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax  slingers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other,  I'm
>> afraid.
>>
>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom  Doncourt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cool! From that to  this-
>>
>> _http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM_ (http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM) 
>>
>>
>>  On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  > For the guitar players on the board. This will make you  smile.
>>
>> _http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0) 

>>
>
>
>

He is my contribution......Just discovered Grace Potter

Grace Potter    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrdfFpxTXQ     watch the whole 
song. I  hope that at some point she adds Mellotron to the Hammond and Wurlie.

Bill





________________________________
From: Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:27:05 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers

  
They still have soul....

On Apr 25, 2011, at 9:22 AM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

  
>
>This is what happens when these kinds of experiments go horribly wrong.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE
>
>
>
>In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:17:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>tomdcour@amnh.org writes:
>  
>>getting my bodily fluids drained has always been a concern of mine- I figure the 
>>chinese and russians do as good a job 
>>
>> as anyone else
>>P.S. I like what you wrote Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:56 AM, John Hammaren wrote:
>>
>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>It’s full of commies, draining the rest of us of our natural bodily fluids! You 
>>>think it was coincidence that video was posted? I think not.
>>>From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>>>[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas C. Doncourt
>>>Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:37 PM
>>>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>>>Cc: 'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com'
>>>Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>>>  
>>>OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site for pities sake
>>>
>>>> Communist more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. The
>>>> removal of individualistic thought does not promote much innovation. .
>>>>
>>>> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>>>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00 PM
>>>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris, I agree with most of this except "The emphasis on imitation over
>>>> invention (largely an American ideology)"
>>>> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian ideology.......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>>>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dale
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43 AM
>>>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means
>>>> "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
>>>>
>>>> Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of
>>>> sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet
>>>> counterpart Kim Il Sung.
>>>>
>>>> As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the
>>>> Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border, I can tell you
>>>> that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy
>>>> perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because it
>>>> is immediately extinguished at the slightest emergence.
>>>>
>>>> Now before the automaton reaction of 'politically incorrect' enters the
>>>> conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was largely
>>>> destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has been
>>>> based upon copying either Americanism and it's influences (South Korea) or
>>>> Communism and it's influences (North Korea).
>>>>
>>>> With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the
>>>> people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well,
>>>> to the point where copying it better took over and originality or anything
>>>> resembling it was discouraged.
>>>> This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!
>>>>
>>>> The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology) is
>>>> almost second nature to pr esent day students. I have witnessed this first
>>>> hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's sake.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what
>>>> it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now
>>>> let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled
>>>> into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have
>>>> electricity as more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely
>>>> different world than you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda
>>>> speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up
>>>> on bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
>>>> There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the
>>>> pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to death.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are
>>>> from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic
>>>> context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion,
>>>> these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive
>>>> totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing
>>>> on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids
>>>> to death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being in
>>>> their best interests.
>>>>
>>>> I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents
>>>> out if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question
>>>> their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids childhood.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's a modern Korean< 
>>>>br>> pop song. It's simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.
>>>>
>>>> This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most
>>>> unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
>>>> What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else
>>>> to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves.
>>>> And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has no
>>>> idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the fashion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel
>>>> <noel@arbelos.eu<mailto:noel@arbelos.eu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't o ften comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with
>>>> Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These
>>>> poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't
>>>> bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what
>>>> they are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh
>>>> air and the fields. Let them find their souls again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In
>>>> 
>>newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>> fdoddy@... wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> You actually thought the five children playing was soulless? It's mind
>>>>> numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on
>>>>> you, I'm afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> fritz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>& gt;>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
>>>>> To: newmellotrongroup
>>>>> 
>>>><newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>>>> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm
>>>>> afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool! From that to this-
>>>>>
>>>>> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > For the guitar players on the board. This will make you smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Sorry sir... she maybe beautiful and talented, but she expresses waaaay to  
much emotion. Anddddddd... she's not sitting in a chair responding to adult 
 programmed queues. I, for one, doubt she was even in high school band.
 
 
In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:30:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wbeith@sbcglobal.net writes:

 
 
 
 
He is my contribution......Just discovered Grace Potter
 
 
Grace Potter    _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrdfFpxTXQ_ (h
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrdfFpxTXQ)       watch the whole song. I  hope that at 
some point she adds Mellotron to  the Hammond and Wurlie.
 
Bill
 



 
____________________________________
 From: Tom Doncourt  <tomdcour@amnh.org>
To:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:27:05  AM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers


They still have soul....

On Apr 25, 2011, at 9:22 AM, _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com)  
wrote:



 


This is what happens when these kinds of experiments go horribly  wrong.
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE) 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:17:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_tomdcour@amnh.org_ (mailto:tomdcour@amnh.org)   writes:

 
getting my bodily fluids drained has always been a concern of mine- I  
figure the chinese and russians do as good a job  
as anyone else
P.S. I like what you wrote Chris


On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:56 AM, John Hammaren wrote:



 



It’s  full of commies, draining the rest of us of our natural bodily 
fluids!  You think it was coincidence that video was posted? I think  not. 
 
 
From:  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas 
C.  Doncourt
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:37 PM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Cc:  _'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) '
Subject:  RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers

 
 
OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site for pities sake

>  Communist more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different.  The
> removal of individualistic thought does not promote much  innovation. .
>
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00  PM
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
>
>
> Chris, I agree with most of this except  "The emphasis on imitation over
> invention (largely an American  ideology)"
> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian  ideology.......
>
>
> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups%20.com) 
>  [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Chris Dale
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43  AM
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
>
>
> Well if not mistaken, the letters next  to the video say DPRK, which means
> "Democratic People's Republic  of Korea".
>
> Those of you familiar with history might  remember that it's a misnomer of
> sorts - a propaganda title used  by North Korea and Stalin's puppet
> counterpart Kim Il  Sung.
>
> As an educator of Korean students and having gone  deeply into the
> Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean  border, I can tell you
> that these students have it ingrained in  them to duplicate or copy
> perfectly - without any thought of  improvisation or expression because it
> is immediately  extinguished at the slightest emergence.
>
> Now before the  automaton reaction of 'politically incorrect' enters the
>  conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was  largely
> destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire  culture has been
> based upon copying either Americanism and it's  influences (South Korea) 
or
> Communism and it's influences (North  Korea).
>
> With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost  nothing in 3 years, the
> people had no choice but to copy  everything else and to do it very well,
> to the point where  copying it better took over and originality or 
anything
>  resembling it was discouraged.
> This idea is shared by many  Koreans by the way!
>
> The emphasis on imitation over  invention (largely an American ideology) 
is
> almost second nature  to pr esent day students. I have witnessed this 
first
> hand and  attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's sake.
>
>  Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of  
what
> it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge,  but for now
> let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've  achieved (and had 
drilled
> into them) to do, and the fact that  they've even eaten and have
> electricity as more than half of  North Korea doesn't. It's a completely
> different world than you  can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda
> speaker systems  in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up
> on  bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
> There's even an  incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the
>  pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to  death.
>
>
> Anyway - this is a singular performance  because of where these kids are
> from and it needs to be seen in  it's proper social, political and 
economic
> context, and not  through the views most of us would normally  hold.
>
>
> As far the North American hockey dad's and  soccer mom's - in my opinion,
> these people (although well  meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive
> totalitarian  governements of the world because it's the exact same thing
> on a  much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their  
kids
> to death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise  of being in
> their best interests.
>
> I'd have no  difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents
> out  if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever  
question
> their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their  kids childhood.
>
>
> Going back to what I said about  musically copying - here's a modern 
Korean< br>> pop song. It's  simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.
>
> This  is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most
>  unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
> What a shame that  our vapid music industries have influnced someone else
> to make  bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves.
> And check out the  guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has no
> idea who  Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the  
fashion.
>
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY) 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel
> <_noel@arbelos.eu_ (mailto:noel@arbelos.eu) <mailto:_noel@arbelos.eu_ 
(mailto:noel@arbelos.eu) >>  wrote:
>
>
> I don't o ften comment on groups, but in  this case I have to. I agree 
with
> Mike on this one (hello Mike).  This is the very peak of soulessness. 
These
> poor mites have been  programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't
> bear thinking  about what they have had to endure to get them to do what
> they  are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the  fresh
> air and the fields. Let them find their souls  again.
>
>
> --- In
> _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
>  fdoddy@... wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Mike,
>>
>> You actually thought the five children  playing was soulless? It's mind
>> numbing how cynical and  bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on
>> you, I'm  afraid.
>>
>>
>>  fritz
>>
>>
>>
&  gt;>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Dickson  <mike.dickson@...>
>> To: newmellotrongroup
>>  <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>  Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>> Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax  slingers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other,  I'm
>> afraid.
>>
>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom  Doncourt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cool! From that to  this-
>>
>> _http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM_ (http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM) 
>>
>>
>>  On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  > For the guitar players on the board. This will make you  smile.
>>
>> _http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0) 

>>
>
>
>

Listen up and learn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 9:41 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers


Now that's quality entertainment!
IMHO,
Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: john barrick<mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers



I deny them my essence.

Gen. Ripper (ret.)
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:20 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> wrote:

Commie vampires sucking the creativity out of all of us along with our precious bodily fluids.

Man, that's like calling a Texan an American. Watch out.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:44 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers




On Apr 24, 2011, at 10:07 PM, ClayE wrote:


Norwegians, Danes, and Swedes who live on the Scandinavian Peninsula are referred to as Scandinavian. Why can't English, Irish, Welsh and Scottish people who live on the island of Great Britain be referred to as British? Just asking.

You obviously don't know many Scots, Welsh, or Irish then, do you?

thanks for recommending Grace Potter, Bill. Had never heard of her before. Would love to see her live. There's Mellotron credited on You May See Me on the This is Somewhere CD but I haven't spotted it yet. 
Paul 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, william Beith <wbeith@...> wrote:

>
> He is my contribution......Just discovered Grace Potter
> 
> Grace Potter    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrdfFpxTXQ     watch the whole 
> song. IÂ  hope that at some point she adds Mellotron to the Hammond and Wurlie.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:27:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
> 
> Â  
> They still have soul....
> 
> On Apr 25, 2011, at 9:22 AM, lsf5275@... wrote:
> 
> Â  
> >
> >This is what happens when these kinds of experiments go horribly wrong.
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE
> >
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 4/25/2011 9:17:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> >tomdcour@... writes:
> >Â  
> >>getting my bodily fluids drained has always been a concern of mine- I figure the 
> >>chinese and russians do as good a job 
> >>
> >>Â as anyone else
> >>P.S. I like what you wrote Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:56 AM, John Hammaren wrote:
> >>
> >>Â  
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>It’s full of commies, draining the rest of us of our natural bodily fluids! You 
> >>>think it was coincidence that video was posted? I think not.
> >>>From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> >>>[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas C. Doncourt
> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:37 PM
> >>>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Cc: 'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com'
> >>>Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
> >>>Â  
> >>>OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site for pities sake
> >>>
> >>>> Communist more likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. The
> >>>> removal of individualistic thought does not promote much innovation. .
> >>>>
> >>>> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:00 PM
> >>>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris, I agree with most of this except "The emphasis on imitation over
> >>>> invention (largely an American ideology)"
> >>>> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian ideology.......
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dale
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:43 AM
> >>>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK, which means
> >>>> "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
> >>>>
> >>>> Those of you familiar with history might remember that it's a misnomer of
> >>>> sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's puppet
> >>>> counterpart Kim Il Sung.
> >>>>
> >>>> As an educator of Korean students and having gone deeply into the
> >>>> Demilitarized zone at the South / North Korean border, I can tell you
> >>>> that these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy
> >>>> perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or expression because it
> >>>> is immediately extinguished at the slightest emergence.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now before the automaton reaction of 'politically incorrect' enters the
> >>>> conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was largely
> >>>> destroyed during the Korean War and that their entire culture has been
> >>>> based upon copying either Americanism and it's influences (South Korea) or
> >>>> Communism and it's influences (North Korea).
> >>>>
> >>>> With 5000 years of culture reduced to almost nothing in 3 years, the
> >>>> people had no choice but to copy everything else and to do it very well,
> >>>> to the point where copying it better took over and originality or anything
> >>>> resembling it was discouraged.
> >>>> This idea is shared by many Koreans by the way!
> >>>>
> >>>> The emphasis on imitation over invention (largely an American ideology) is
> >>>> almost second nature to pr esent day students. I have witnessed this first
> >>>> hand and attempt to drastically reduce it for the student's sake.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger meaning of what
> >>>> it is they're doing, and let their artistic sides emerge, but for now
> >>>> let's take comfort and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had drilled
> >>>> into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and have
> >>>> electricity as more than half of North Korea doesn't. It's a completely
> >>>> different world than you can imagine, with rampant starvation, propaganda
> >>>> speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" hung up
> >>>> on bedroom walls and larger than family pictures.
> >>>> There's even an incident where a man's home caught fire and he saved the
> >>>> pictures of the "Dear Leaders" first while his family burned to death.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway - this is a singular performance because of where these kids are
> >>>> from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political and economic
> >>>> context, and not through the views most of us would normally hold.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As far the North American hockey dad's and soccer mom's - in my opinion,
> >>>> these people (although well meaning) are just as bad as the oppressive
> >>>> totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact same thing
> >>>> on a much smaller scale. These people also reduce and suppress their kids
> >>>> to death by ruining any individual expression, in the guise of being in
> >>>> their best interests.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd have no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking parents
> >>>> out if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they ever question
> >>>> their righteous behaviour before ruining part of their kids childhood.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Going back to what I said about musically copying - here's a modern Korean< 
> >>>>br>> pop song. It's simultaneously humourous, tragic, and irritating.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is the legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most
> >>>> unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
> >>>> What a shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone else
> >>>> to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than ourselves.
> >>>> And check out the guy dressed as Robin (from Batman). He likely has no
> >>>> idea who Robin actually is at all, and was just impressed by the fashion.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Noel
> >>>> <noel@...<mailto:noel@...>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't o ften comment on groups, but in this case I have to. I agree with
> >>>> Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is the very peak of soulessness. These
> >>>> poor mites have been programmed out of their very humanity. It doesn't
> >>>> bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them to do what
> >>>> they are doing. Please make them stop. Let them out to play in the fresh
> >>>> air and the fields. Let them find their souls again.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In
> >>>> 
> >>newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >>>> fdoddy@ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You actually thought the five children playing was soulless? It's mind
> >>>>> numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, it's on
> >>>>> you, I'm afraid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> fritz
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>& gt;>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>
> >>>>> To: newmellotrongroup
> >>>>> 
> >>>><newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >>>>> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax slingers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Watched them both. One is as pitifully soulless as the other, I'm
> >>>>> afraid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cool! From that to this-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> > For the guitar players on the board. This will make you smile.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

I'm sold. She's awesome! Reminds me of a young Lydia Pense.
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/20/2011 6:10:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
pj4000@btinternet.com writes:

 
 
 
thanks for recommending Grace Potter, Bill. Had never heard of her before.  
Would love to see her live. There's Mellotron credited on You May See Me on 
 the This is Somewhere CD but I haven't spotted it yet. 
Paul 

--- In  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  william Beith <wbeith@...> wrote:
>
> He is my  contribution......Just discovered Grace Potter
> 
> Grace  Potter    _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrdfFpxTXQ_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrdfFpxTXQ) Â Â Â Â   watch the whole 
> song. IÂ  hope that at some point she adds  Mellotron to the Hammond and 
Wurlie.
> 
> Bill
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@...>
> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:27:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: OT-Future ax slingers
> 
> Â  
> They still have  soul....
> 
> On Apr 25, 2011, at 9:22 AM, lsf5275@...  wrote:
> 
> Â  
> >
> >This is what happens  when these kinds of experiments go horribly wrong.
> >
> >_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfK-UzQ48JE) 
>  >
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 4/25/2011  9:17:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> >tomdcour@... writes:
>  >Â  
> >>getting my bodily fluids drained has always been  a concern of mine- I 
figure the 
> >>chinese and russians do as  good a job 
> >>
> >>Â as anyone else
>  >>P.S. I like what you wrote Chris
> >>
>  >>
> >>
> >>On Apr 25, 2011, at 8:56 AM, John  Hammaren wrote:
> >>
> >>Â  
>  >>>
> >>>
> >>>It’s full of commies,  draining the rest of us of our natural 
bodily fluids! You 
>  >>>think it was coincidence that video was posted? I think  not.
> >>>From:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
> >>>[mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Thomas C. Doncourt
> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 24,  2011 5:37 PM
> >>>To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  >>>Cc: _'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:'newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) '
>  >>>Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax slingers
>  >>>Â  
> >>>OH GOD NO !!! not on the tron site  for pities sake
> >>>
> >>>> Communist more  likely. The Soviet Russkies weren't much different. 
The
>  >>>> removal of individualistic thought does not promote much  
innovation. .
> >>>>
> >>>> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  >>>> [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto
:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011  4:00 PM
> >>>> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  >>>> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>> Chris, I agree with most of this except "The emphasis on  imitation 
over
> >>>> invention (largely an American  ideology)"
> >>>> I think it is overwhelmingly an Asian  ideology.......
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>> From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  >>>> [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Chris Dale
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011  10:43 AM
> >>>> To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
>  >>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT-Future ax  slingers
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>> Well if not mistaken, the letters next to the video say DPRK,  
which means
> >>>> "Democratic People's Republic of  Korea".
> >>>>
> >>>> Those of you  familiar with history might remember that it's a 
misnomer of
>  >>>> sorts - a propaganda title used by North Korea and Stalin's  puppet
> >>>> counterpart Kim Il Sung.
>  >>>>
> >>>> As an educator of Korean students  and having gone deeply into the
> >>>> Demilitarized zone at  the South / North Korean border, I can tell 
you
> >>>> that  these students have it ingrained in them to duplicate or copy
>  >>>> perfectly - without any thought of improvisation or  expression 
because it
> >>>> is immediately extinguished at  the slightest emergence.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now  before the automaton reaction of 'politically incorrect' enters 
the
>  >>>> conditioned and malleable mind, consider that the country was  
largely
> >>>> destroyed during the Korean War and that  their entire culture has 
been
> >>>> based upon copying  either Americanism and it's influences (South 
Korea) or
>  >>>> Communism and it's influences (North Korea).
>  >>>>
> >>>> With 5000 years of culture reduced  to almost nothing in 3 years, the
> >>>> people had no  choice but to copy everything else and to do it very 
well,
>  >>>> to the point where copying it better took over and  originality or 
anything
> >>>> resembling it was  discouraged.
> >>>> This idea is shared by many Koreans by  the way!
> >>>>
> >>>> The emphasis on  imitation over invention (largely an American 
ideology) is
>  >>>> almost second nature to pr esent day students. I have  witnessed 
this first
> >>>> hand and attempt to drastically  reduce it for the student's sake.
> >>>>
>  >>>> Of course, these children will gradually learn the bigger  meaning 
of what
> >>>> it is they're doing, and let their  artistic sides emerge, but for 
now
> >>>> let's take comfort  and enjoyment in what they've achieved (and had 
drilled
>  >>>> into them) to do, and the fact that they've even eaten and  have
> >>>> electricity as more than half of North Korea  doesn't. It's a 
completely
> >>>> different world than you  can imagine, with rampant starvation, 
propaganda
> >>>>  speaker systems in every house, and picures of the "Dear Leader" 
hung  up
> >>>> on bedroom walls and larger than family  pictures.
> >>>> There's even an incident where a man's home  caught fire and he 
saved the
> >>>> pictures of the "Dear  Leaders" first while his family burned to 
death.
>  >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway -  this is a singular performance because of where these kids 
are
>  >>>> from and it needs to be seen in it's proper social, political  and 
economic
> >>>> context, and not through the views most  of us would normally hold.
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>> As far the North American hockey  dad's and soccer mom's - in my 
opinion,
> >>>> these people  (although well meaning) are just as bad as the 
oppressive
>  >>>> totalitarian governements of the world because it's the exact  same 
thing
> >>>> on a much smaller scale. These people also  reduce and suppress 
their kids
> >>>> to death by ruining  any individual expression, in the guise of 
being in
> >>>>  their best interests.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd  have no difficulty at all lashing out at those troublemaking 
parents
>  >>>> out if I was a school coach. It might be the only time they  ever 
question
> >>>> their righteous behaviour before  ruining part of their kids 
childhood.
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>> Going back to what I said about  musically copying - here's a modern 
Korean< 
>  >>>>br>> pop song. It's simultaneously humourous, tragic,  and 
irritating.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is the  legacy of years of exposure to the worst and most
> >>>>  unforgiveable modern North American pop music.
> >>>> What a  shame that our vapid music industries have influnced someone 
else
>  >>>> to make bigger mounds of sonic garbage than  ourselves.
> >>>> And check out the guy dressed as Robin  (from Batman). He likely has 
no
> >>>> idea who Robin  actually is at all, and was just impressed by the 
fashion.
>  >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY) 
>  >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM,  Noel
> >>>> <noel@...<mailto:noel@...>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>> I don't o ften comment on groups, but in this case I have to.  I 
agree with
> >>>> Mike on this one (hello Mike). This is  the very peak of 
soulessness. These
> >>>> poor mites have  been programmed out of their very humanity. It 
doesn't
>  >>>> bear thinking about what they have had to endure to get them  to do 
what
> >>>> they are doing. Please make them stop. Let  them out to play in the 
fresh
> >>>> air and the fields. Let  them find their souls again.
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>> --- In
> >>>>  
> >>_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
>  >>>> fdoddy@ wrote:
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike,
>  >>>>>
> >>>>> You actually thought the  five children playing was soulless? It's 
mind
> >>>>>  numbing how cynical and bitter you are. If there is pity to had, 
it's  on
> >>>>> you, I'm afraid.
>  >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  fritz
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>& gt;>
>  >>>>>
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Mike Dickson  <mike.dickson@>
> >>>>> To:  newmellotrongroup
> >>>>> 
> >>>><_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>  >>>>> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:47 pm
>  >>>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] OT-Future ax  slingers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>>> Watched them both. One is as  pitifully soulless as the other, I'm
> >>>>>  afraid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On  22/04/2011 16:02, Tom Doncourt wrote:
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>>> Cool! From that to  this-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM_ (http://youtu.be/IN21lcvIsvM) 
>  >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  On Apr 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, johnm400s911 wrote:
>  >>>>>
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>>>
>  >>>>>
> >>>> > For the guitar players on  the board. This will make you smile.
> >>>>>
>  >>>>> _http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/embed/yE7waNi5dc0) 

>  >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>  >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>  >
>