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From: Hans Hafner <hanshafner@...>
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 7:51am
Subject: [LUG] Re: best sonic quality mixes

At 9:42 Uhr -0400 02.02.2006, Mars wrote:
>"No one ever walks out of the record store humming the SSL console!"

No they don't, but have you put on Dark Side of the Moon lately on a 
record player? I was shocked, haven't listened to it in 13 years and 
I was just speechless!

Cheers
Hans

From: "HKC" <hkc@...>
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 8:34am
Subject: Re: [LUG] Re: best sonic quality mixes

some of the best selling albums of all time sound like crap.


Who decides what sounds like crap.
You can measure headroom, floating points etc but you can't really say which 
sounds better than the other, it will always be your personal opinion. I 
recently saw an interview with John Cale who has I think had a point when he 
said that nothing gets better only different.
These days when you talk about sound quality you mostly refer to how loud 
the record sounds. In music terms that means to what extent you have been 
able to take out all dynamics and stay at an infinate peak.
Has anybody wondered why the Beatles are still one of the best selling bands 
in the world, now to the 3rd generation after their split-up. I looked it up 
and they we're bestselling in 97, 98, 00 and 01. I seriously doubt that they 
would have done better if they had been recorded in 32/192.

From: "The Doghouse NYC" <doghousenyc2@...>
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 9:18am
Subject: RE: [LUG] Re: best sonic quality mixes [OT]

> Only completely obsessed geeks in their weird little computer world
> where they get to hang out with a few other completely obsessed geeks
> care about whether a mix is done ITB at 24bit/32 bit float/64bit/
> 80bit or OTB on $100K worth of outboard gear.
> 
> That being said I own an $80K Daking analog console with Apogee
> Rosetta's and a Big Ben, and a classic 60's LA-2A...

The one caveat that I find expensive, quality, high-end gear really affords
is time. I basically agree with you. I can get great sounds with a tin can
and a piece of string... but it takes a lot longer and your options are
limited. With a great signal chain and a great instrument, I find that I
usually get a great sound sticking the mic in front of the instrument with
minimal fuss. It lets me concentrate on other stuff. 

...and say, mightn't it be time for this (perfectly interesting) thread
maybe moved over to the OT list?

best, Nathan
___
Nathan Rosenberg
Music Production

The Doghouse NYC
www.doghouseNYC.com

From: revDAVE <coolcat@...>
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 9:48am
Subject: Re: [LUG] Getting The Best Sonic Quality Mixes

Please bear in mind that of course " the content " of the music is
absolutely the most important thing, however since this is a technical
discussion list, I  thought it best to narrow it to just the technical
aspects.

One of my original reasons for starting this thread, was the idea that the
end user (the public)  most likely will ultimately be comparing all the
music to listen to,  (whether they realize it or not).

I am sure that most will agree that these days, lots of people listen to
their music collection in some sort of music player such as iTunes or some
other such application. And whether they listen to the original .aiff or mp3
or aac -  all this music is still side-by-side next to each other, so
whether they are professional musicians able to dissect the minute audio
differences between songs or just "regular people"  who might say something
like "that song is kind of dull sounding", the sonic aspects are being
compared, at least somewhat.

Having said all of that, that is one aspect of why I was concerned with
getting the best sonic quality mixes -  to be able to compare favorably - on
a sonic quality level, with the best music out there.

And that is why this thread has helped so much - so thanks to everybody!



--
Thanks - RevDave
CoolCat@...
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From: Andris Sice <hasice@...>
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 4:17pm
Subject: Re: [LUG] Re: Re: best sonic quality mixes

On 02/02/2006, at 10:02 AM, Howard Wooten wrote:

>
>> From: Ian Henderson <ian@...>
>> And the irony of all of this is that, while we strive and stress and
>> work to get the best quality mixes and the best performance off our
>> rigs... some of the best selling albums of all time sound like crap.
>> "Jagged Little Pill" would top my list in that department. A decent
>> engineer on even the worst current DAWs could knock the socks off
>> that... thin, weedy, shrill and flat in the sound department...
>> brilliant and inspired in the song department and sung by someone on
>> her way to becoming an icon of the time. Always makes me think.
>
> Ian,
>
> Well, you know the answer... so don't think too much.

Hi Howard,

Ian might, but I don't. Can you spell it out please?

Andris