Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

 Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:40 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       Hi
 Charles,
 You can't
 barge in here. So don't worry about that.
 
 I am the
 creator of the HAWK kits. If you need help. I am right here.
 Or you can email support@hawk800.com.
 It's difficult to know how
 experienced someone is with a soldering iron, especially
 desoldering. So removal of IC29 and the EPROM socket is
 where some people go wrong.
 If you have a desoldering
 workstation then removing the EPROM socket and IC29 is a
 piece of cake. And owning  a desoldering workstation
 basically means, you know what you're doing. Using
 desoldering wick and or a solder sucker makes the job a bit
 more of a challenge. Unfortunately, it's the
 inexperienced that only have desolvering wick or solder
 sucker that usually get into trouble. Some people have also
 had problems just soldering the HAWK board itself. This is
 usually people that have soldered some wires before but have
 never done PCB work. Cold joints are the most common. When
 someone runs into trouble, the first thing I do is ask for a
 photo of the HAWK board solder side and the solder side of
 IC29 and the EPROM socket. Then I tell them to redo the
 soldering on the whole and that usually clears the issues
 up. I have very few problems though. The vast majority of 
 HAWK installers have no problems at all.
 
 But, I had to write my warnings on
 the web site just to make sure that inexperienced people
 understand what they're getting into. And that it is
 entirely their responsibility if things go south.
 
 I love
 the Poly so much that I offer a ton of help when people need
 it. It's just another charitable thing for me.
 
 /Mike
 
 
                 
                     
                     
                         On Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:13:50
 PM EDT, charleschop@... [korgpolyex]
 <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     
                     
 
                     
 
                     
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       sorry to just bardge in
 and focus to my own needs but im thinking of installing
 ..well buying first..lol  a hawk 800 upgrade
 . technically able and physically too  to
 install.but would like to know there are some users
 here who have done the upgradeand can rely on some
 pointers if need be?nervousness surrounding the whole
 thing  seems although with the instructions from the site
 moderately relitivily simple .
 have any users performed the upgrade on
 here ,I know a few have to my belief because  posts ive
 previousily read hit on few topics related..
 was susscesfull and just as described
 ?
 input nessesary
 please...
 thankscharles
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
                 
             
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
 #yiv7399116079 #yiv7399116079 --

 Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:40 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       Hi
 Charles,
 You can't
 barge in here. So don't worry about that.
 
 I am the
 creator of the HAWK kits. If you need help. I am right here.
 Or you can email support@....
 It's difficult to know how
 experienced someone is with a soldering iron, especially
 desoldering. So removal of IC29 and the EPROM socket is
 where some people go wrong.
 If you have a desoldering
 workstation then removing the EPROM socket and IC29 is a
 piece of cake. And owning  a desoldering workstation
 basically means, you know what you're doing. Using
 desoldering wick and or a solder sucker makes the job a bit
 more of a challenge. Unfortunately, it's the
 inexperienced that only have desolvering wick or solder
 sucker that usually get into trouble. Some people have also
 had problems just soldering the HAWK board itself. This is
 usually people that have soldered some wires before but have
 never done PCB work. Cold joints are the most common. When
 someone runs into trouble, the first thing I do is ask for a
 photo of the HAWK board solder side and the solder side of
 IC29 and the EPROM socket. Then I tell them to redo the
 soldering on the whole and that usually clears the issues
 up. I have very few problems though. The vast majority of 
 HAWK installers have no problems at all.
 
 But, I had to write my warnings on
 the web site just to make sure that inexperienced people
 understand what they're getting into. And that it is
 entirely their responsibility if things go south.
 
 I love
 the Poly so much that I offer a ton of help when people need
 it. It's just another charitable thing for me.
 
 /Mike
 
 
                 
                     
                     
                         On Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:13:50
 PM EDT, charleschop@... [korgpolyex]
 <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     
                     
 
                     
 
                     
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       sorry to just bardge in
 and focus to my own needs but im thinking of installing
 ..well buying first..lol  a hawk 800 upgrade
 . technically able and physically too  to
 install.but would like to know there are some users
 here who have done the upgradeand can rely on some
 pointers if need be?nervousness surrounding the whole
 thing  seems although with the instructions from the site
 moderately relitivily simple .
 have any users performed the upgrade on
 here ,I know a few have to my belief because  posts ive
 previousily read hit on few topics related..
 was susscesfull and just as described
 ?
 input nessesary
 please...
 thankscharles
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
                 
             
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
 #yiv5278218869 #yiv5278218869 --

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:40 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi
 Charles,
 You can't
 barge in here. So don't worry about that.
 
 I am the
 creator of the HAWK kits. If you need help. I am right here.
 Or you can email support@....
 It's difficult to know how
 experienced someone is with a soldering iron, especially
 desoldering. So removal of IC29 and the EPROM socket is
 where some people go wrong.
 If you have a desoldering
 workstation then removing the EPROM socket and IC29 is a
 piece of cake. And owning  a desoldering workstation
 basically means, you know what you're doing. Using
 desoldering wick and or a solder sucker makes the job a bit
 more of a challenge. Unfortunately, it's the
 inexperienced that only have desolvering wick or solder
 sucker that usually get into trouble. Some people have also
 had problems just soldering the HAWK board itself. This is
 usually people that have soldered some wires before but have
 never done PCB work. Cold joints are the most common. When
 someone runs into trouble, the first thing I do is ask for a
 photo of the HAWK board solder side and the solder side of
 IC29 and the EPROM socket. Then I tell them to redo the
 soldering on the whole and that usually clears the issues
 up. I have very few problems though. The vast majority of 
 HAWK installers have no problems at all.
 
 But, I had to write my warnings on
 the web site just to make sure that inexperienced people
 understand what they're getting into. And that it is
 entirely their responsibility if things go south.
 
 I love
 the Poly so much that I offer a ton of help when people need
 it. It's just another charitable thing for me.
 
 /Mike
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:13:50
 PM EDT, charleschop@yahoo.ca [korgpolyex]
 <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 sorry to just bardge in
 and focus to my own needs but im thinking of installing
 ..well buying first..lol  a hawk 800 upgrade
 . technically able and physically too  to
 install.but would like to know there are some users
 here who have done the upgradeand can rely on some
 pointers if need be?nervousness surrounding the whole
 thing  seems although with the instructions from the site
 moderately relitivily simple .
 have any users performed the upgrade on
 here ,I know a few have to my belief because  posts ive
 previousily read hit on few topics related..
 was susscesfull and just as described
 ?
 input nessesary
 please...
 thankscharles
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 #yiv7399116079 #yiv7399116079 --

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:40 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi
 Charles,
 You can't
 barge in here. So don't worry about that.
 
 I am the
 creator of the HAWK kits. If you need help. I am right here.
 Or you can email support@....
 It's difficult to know how
 experienced someone is with a soldering iron, especially
 desoldering. So removal of IC29 and the EPROM socket is
 where some people go wrong.
 If you have a desoldering
 workstation then removing the EPROM socket and IC29 is a
 piece of cake. And owning  a desoldering workstation
 basically means, you know what you're doing. Using
 desoldering wick and or a solder sucker makes the job a bit
 more of a challenge. Unfortunately, it's the
 inexperienced that only have desolvering wick or solder
 sucker that usually get into trouble. Some people have also
 had problems just soldering the HAWK board itself. This is
 usually people that have soldered some wires before but have
 never done PCB work. Cold joints are the most common. When
 someone runs into trouble, the first thing I do is ask for a
 photo of the HAWK board solder side and the solder side of
 IC29 and the EPROM socket. Then I tell them to redo the
 soldering on the whole and that usually clears the issues
 up. I have very few problems though. The vast majority of 
 HAWK installers have no problems at all.
 
 But, I had to write my warnings on
 the web site just to make sure that inexperienced people
 understand what they're getting into. And that it is
 entirely their responsibility if things go south.
 
 I love
 the Poly so much that I offer a ton of help when people need
 it. It's just another charitable thing for me.
 
 /Mike
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:13:50
 PM EDT, charleschop@... [korgpolyex]
 <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 sorry to just bardge in
 and focus to my own needs but im thinking of installing
 ..well buying first..lol  a hawk 800 upgrade
 . technically able and physically too  to
 install.but would like to know there are some users
 here who have done the upgradeand can rely on some
 pointers if need be?nervousness surrounding the whole
 thing  seems although with the instructions from the site
 moderately relitivily simple .
 have any users performed the upgrade on
 here ,I know a few have to my belief because  posts ive
 previousily read hit on few topics related..
 was susscesfull and just as described
 ?
 input nessesary
 please...
 thankscharles
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 #yiv5278218869 #yiv5278218869 --

 Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 3:38 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       
             The HAWK is all through hole.
 The AtomaHawk has SMD and I put
 those on myself so you put the easy through hole parts
 on.
 So yes, you do the
 'easy' stuff.
 /Mike
 
 
             
             
                 
                     
                     
                         On Sunday, March 25, 2018, 3:34:35
 PM EDT, charles chop charleschop@... [korgpolyex]
 <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     
                     
 
                     
 
                     
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       I guess my first question is 
 
 the surface mount chips I see upon the atomic hawk and maybe
 the hawk,,,
 
 are they attached prior to shippping? 
 
 then all the user does is ribbon connector,
 diode,resistor,chip holder?
 
 
 
 Charles
 
 
 
 --------------------------------------------
 
 On Sun, 3/25/18, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@...
 [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hawk-800 upgrade
 
  To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 
  Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 2:40 PM
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
    
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
        
 
        
 
        Hi
 
  Charles,
 
  You can't
 
  barge in here. So don't worry about that.
 
  
 
  I am the
 
  creator of the HAWK kits. If you need help. I am right
 here.
 
  Or you can email support@....
 
  It's difficult to know how
 
  experienced someone is with a soldering iron, especially
 
  desoldering. So removal of IC29 and the EPROM socket is
 
  where some people go wrong.
 
  If you have a desoldering
 
  workstation then removing the EPROM socket and IC29 is a
 
  piece of cake. And owning  a desoldering workstation
 
  basically means, you know what you're doing. Using
 
  desoldering wick and or a solder sucker makes the job a
 bit
 
  more of a challenge. Unfortunately, it's the
 
  inexperienced that only have desolvering wick or solder
 
  sucker that usually get into trouble. Some people have
 also
 
  had problems just soldering the HAWK board itself. This
 is
 
  usually people that have soldered some wires before but
 have
 
  never done PCB work. Cold joints are the most common.
 When
 
  someone runs into trouble, the first thing I do is ask for
 a
 
  photo of the HAWK board solder side and the solder side
 of
 
  IC29 and the EPROM socket. Then I tell them to redo the
 
  soldering on the whole and that usually clears the
 issues
 
  up. I have very few problems though. The vast majority
 of 
 
  HAWK installers have no problems at all.
 
  
 
  But, I had to write my warnings on
 
  the web site just to make sure that inexperienced people
 
  understand what they're getting into. And that it is
 
  entirely their responsibility if things go south.
 
  
 
  I love
 
  the Poly so much that I offer a ton of help when people
 need
 
  it. It's just another charitable thing for me.
 
  
 
  /Mike
 
  
 
  
 
                  
 
                      
 
                      
 
                          On Sunday, March 25, 2018,
 2:13:50
 
  PM EDT, charleschop@... [korgpolyex]
 
  <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
                      
 
                      
 
  
 
                      
 
  
 
                      
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
    
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
        
 
        
 
        sorry to just bardge in
 
  and focus to my own needs but im thinking of installing
 
  ..well buying first..lol  a hawk 800 upgrade
 
  . technically able and physically too  to
 
  install.but would like to know there are some users
 
  here who have done the upgradeand can rely on some
 
  pointers if need be?nervousness surrounding the whole
 
  thing  seems although with the instructions from the
 site
 
  moderately relitivily simple .
 
  have any users performed the upgrade on
 
  here ,I know a few have to my belief because  posts ive
 
  previousily read hit on few topics related..
 
  was susscesfull and just as described
 
  ?
 
  input nessesary
 
  please...
 
  thankscharles
 
  
 
      
 
       
 
  
 
      
 
      
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
                  
 
              
 
  
 
      
 
       
 
  
 
      
 
      
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  #yiv5278218869 #yiv5278218869 --

 Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 8:06 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       My advice would be for someone who has problems
 getting that socket off is to take it to a local TV repair
 or other electronics repair shop and see if they would
 remove it for a small fee.  Most likely it would be
 ~$25.
 What would make them happier to hear
 is if you tell them you don't need to keep the old
 socket..  that they can destroy/ cut it up if they need
 to.  Which I most definitely would if I were to do it
 again.
 Once you get that socket off, the
 rest is pretty much a breeze.
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
 #yiv2261270199 #yiv2261270199 --

Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Sunday, March 25, 2018, 8:06 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 My advice would be for someone who has problems
 getting that socket off is to take it to a local TV repair
 or other electronics repair shop and see if they would
 remove it for a small fee.  Most likely it would be
 ~$25.
 What would make them happier to hear
 is if you tell them you don't need to keep the old
 socket..  that they can destroy/ cut it up if they need
 to.  Which I most definitely would if I were to do it
 again.
 Once you get that socket off, the
 rest is pretty much a breeze.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 #yiv2261270199 #yiv2261270199 --

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 03:06:11AM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex8
> 00@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> > Put those two factors together and I would say that most if not all
> of the Poly's were indeed hand made. At most, maybe some parts were
> populated by a machine. But I doubt it.
> 
> Back in the 1980s I had a school holidays job assembling PCBs at the
> electronics company my dad worked for. We built up roughly
> eurocard-sized PCBs in a jig, which were using similar technology to
> the
> Poly 800 - pick-and-place is hard with through-hole parts! That was
> all
> hand-built, back then.
> 
> As for getting the EPROM socket off the board, don't bother trying to
> use a solder sucker or braid to get it off. Just chop it up, take it
> out in pieces, and then use the braid to clean up the excess solder.
> Sockets are cheap.
>

> there is no way the hawk can be adapted for the dw6000/8000
> 
> I like the midi cc and and extra lfo  it offers . could be very extra
> usefull on the 6000/8000 for a mod.implant 
> 
>

 Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: hawk-800 upgrade
 To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
 Received: Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 10:34 AM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 No, the code is entirely written around the 80C85
 CPU that was used in the Poly-800.
 It took me several years of part
 time hobby activity to get the Poly done.  So although I
 would like to do a full rewrite of the DW8000 or DW6000,
 there just isn't enough time for it.
 Maybe one day I'll get a DW-8000
 and have a look again. But my real aim is to do a complete
 rebuild of the Poly-800 main board using modern CPU like an
 STM32. But again, time isn't available for me to do that
 yet.
 I just got the
 joystick replacement tested and working. So the next thing I
 will be doing is the 1RU rack kit for the
 HAWK.
 /Mike
 
 On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 04:12
 +0000, charleschop@... [korgpolyex]
 wrote:
  
 
 
 
     
       
       
       there is no way the hawk can be adapted for
 the dw6000/8000I like the midi cc and and extra lfo 
 it offers . could be very extra usefull on the 6000/8000 for
 a mod.implant 
 
 
     
      
 
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
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