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new (old) ex800, battery and buttons

new (old) ex800, battery and buttons

2015-10-23 by oip_iii@...

hey folks


just received a 'for parts/not working' ex800 from ebay yesterday.  LED lit up but made no sound.  after a couple of hours of head scratching, RTFM, MIDI channel fiddling and loading the preset patches via .wav, it works!  hot damn!  preset 65 is like a hug!


i figure the battery needs replacing and have bought a CR2032 and clip-in holder to that end.  not sure if it can be done without soldering by salvaging the existing contacts but if needs be i will solder it.


couple of issues i wanted to check about:

  • all the buttons are sticky ranging from useable to not working at all.  many thanks to this group i have found the cleaning guide and will try that tonight.  the two sequencer buttons are outright missing, cleanly de-soldered from the board.  previous owner had started cleaning them years ago and they are long gone.  

i've seen that syntaur is selling replacements, here: https://syntaur.com/Items/5232.html

was wondering if anyone had tried these, or knew of any substitutes?  looking around on aliexpress.com there are a whole lot of push button tactile switches which could work but just getting the right height and horizontal measurements would be an issue.  another thing i was considering was rebuilding that entire PCB from scratch on a bit of custom perspex or similar, allowing for height adjustment, and 3D printing caps.  seems like a lot of work but would be fun.


  • secondly, the sound is all good but there is a 'white noise' under each attack, minor and warm but noticeable.  my experience with old synths is minimal, so i didn't know if this was just normal or a sign of a sad capacitor somewhere.  assuming it's standard but thought to check.


many thanks for any help! 

 

Re: [korgpolyex] new (old) ex800, battery and buttons

2015-10-23 by Louis

Hey, congrats.

I think I saw that on eBay, was tempted. Glad it works:) that's how I got mine, was given to me as broken and I thought it was too for ages, until one day I got around to looking at it...

I think you're best to solder in battery holder, although super easy. If you were local I'd offer to do it for you.

Fit the hawk800, it's great fun :D

Louis



On 23 Oct 2015, at 06:31, oip_iii@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

hey folks


just received a 'for parts/not working' ex800 from ebay yesterday.  LED lit up but made no sound.  after a couple of hours of head scratching, RTFM, MIDI channel fiddling and loading the preset patches via .wav, it works!  hot damn!  preset 65 is like a hug!


i figure the battery needs replacing and have bought a CR2032 and clip-in holder to that end.  not sure if it can be done without soldering by salvaging the existing contacts but if needs be i will solder it.


couple of issues i wanted to check about:

  • all the buttons are sticky ranging from useable to not working at all.  many thanks to this group i have found the cleaning guide and will try that tonight.  the two sequencer buttons are outright missing, cleanly de-soldered from the board.  previous owner had started cleaning them years ago and they are long gone.  

i've seen that syntaur is selling replacements, here: https://syntaur.com/Items/5232.html

was wondering if anyone had tried these, or knew of any substitutes?  looking around on aliexpress.com there are a whole lot of push button tactile switches which could work but just getting the right height and horizontal measurements would be an issue.  another thing i was considering was rebuilding that entire PCB from scratch on a bit of custom perspex or similar, allowing for height adjustment, and 3D printing caps.  seems like a lot of work but would be fun.


  • secondly, the sound is all good but there is a 'white noise' under each attack, minor and warm but noticeable.  my experience with old synths is minimal, so i didn't know if this was just normal or a sign of a sad capacitor somewhere.  assuming it's standard but thought to check.


many thanks for any help! 

 

Re: [korgpolyex] new (old) ex800, battery and buttons

2015-10-23 by Daniel Forró

Maybe memory contents was damaged or lost during replacing the battery? Try to load factory data once more...

Daniel Forro


On Oct 23, 2015, at 8:37 PM, oip_iii@... [korgpolyex] wrote:

i did solder in the battery holder, and also took apart all the buttons to clean them.  it works.. but i think i might have fried something connected to the negative terminal when soldering in the wires for the battery.  which would be the dumbest thing i've done in a while.  

the sound output is real quiet and some patches are inaudible.  not sure where to start troubleshooting, or if there's another explanation.  i was thinking a master trimpot of some sort but i didn't adjust anything, frying seems like the best explanation i was pretty casual with the soldering iron and the negative leg was taking some time to join.  never burned out anything soldering before so wasn't really thinking about it.

aaanyway.  if there's any obvious tips please let me know.  otherwise it's going to have some quiet time until i find a nearby tech.  what a rollercoaster.

Re: new (old) ex800, battery and buttons

2015-10-23 by oip_iii@...

hey daniel and louis

thanks, it started working fine again just as mysteriously as it stopped?  i don't understand it at all.  when it was producing super-low volume i tried it with the battery out, several factory .wav reloads, headphone and mono out.  was just about to open it again to start poking around the circuitry and it just.. came back to life.  so i have no explanation.  but it's working!  i can save patches and it sounds great.  the buttons work about 80% of the time, which is a big improvement over the 0-20% yesterday.

i'm a bit scared to do any more work on it, would love to get the sequencer running but i can wait and use external gear.  hawk mod is on the list.. at the very least would like to do the filter / resonance and FM mods at some point.

cheers

Re: new (old) ex800, battery and buttons

2015-10-24 by bperkins211@...

probably a sliver of solder or some other small conductive foreign object was laying on a couple traces or component leads.. after moving it around several times the object broke free.
seen it happen many times

Re: new (old) ex800, battery and buttons

2015-10-25 by oip_iii@...

aha yes this makes sense!  thankyou!  there were some tiny bits of debris in the unit while i was working on it but i didn't have compressed air so couldn't clean it.  and it did indeed start working randomly after i moved it around some.  i will give it a good clean when i fit new sequencer buttons.

recorded a quick clip of playing it:
welcome to the family: korg ex-800