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2015-09-07 by Grit
2015-09-07 by Eanna Butler
On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Grit ultragalore@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Well gang, I have a hawk modded Poly800 inverse and I love it, especially the filter sound on the Poly. Thats probably why I'm also secretly admiring the EX8000. Now I have an opportunity to buy one. I'm just wondering if it's worth it. Seller is asking 400,- Euros what do you think?--( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2015-09-07 by ultragalore@...
2015-09-08 by <backshall1@...>
i mean a DW8000 rack version - the whole different beast indeed
2015-09-08 by Michael Hawkins
2015-09-08 by Gordonjcp
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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2015-09-09 by bperkins211@...
The Korg board has some kind of S&H setup on it to route the voices in from what I can tell.. so I'm guessing it would take some kind of timing to cycle each voice, one at a time into the board... triggering CS's and all that in perfect harmony.
/Blaine
2015-09-09 by ultragalore@...
2015-09-09 by Michael Hawkins
On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
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Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
2015-09-09 by Donal Finn
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:no, sorry I don't/Mike
From: "Gordonjcp gordon@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.
On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
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Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
2015-09-10 by <backshall1@...>
no, sorry I don't/MikeFrom: "Gordonjcp gordon@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
>
Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
2015-09-10 by Vukan Stojanovic
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:55 AM, backshall1@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Completely different animal. It has 16 oscillators, 2 per voice, and it is essentially a wave-table synth. It has 16 single-cycle waves to choose from. One is a sawtooth, one is sine, the others have varying complexity, and with 8 filters instead of one it isn’t going to feel much like a Poly-800. Not to mention the velocity and aftertouch and weighted keys. It’s one of my favorite keyboards for feel, along with the DX7 and D-50 and maybe the M1. The Polysix, Poly-61 and Poly-800 all feel the same. Plastic keys with springs. It has an arpeggiator that can do “as played” so it can almost double as a sequencer for 64 notes or less. Nice digital delay, auto bend and 4 waveforms on the LFO. No, it is not going to feel anything like a Poly-800. I would never part with either of them.Don B.Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:02 PMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.
But does the DW8000 give you the same feel as a Poly 8? Or does it feel like a completely different animal?On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
no, sorry I don't/MikeFrom: "Gordonjcp gordon@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
>
Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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2015-09-10 by Donal Finn
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Vukan Stojanovic vukansto@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:enjoy!On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:55 AM, backshall1@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Completely different animal. It has 16 oscillators, 2 per voice, and it is essentially a wave-table synth. It has 16 single-cycle waves to choose from. One is a sawtooth, one is sine, the others have varying complexity, and with 8 filters instead of one it isn’t going to feel much like a Poly-800. Not to mention the velocity and aftertouch and weighted keys. It’s one of my favorite keyboards for feel, along with the DX7 and D-50 and maybe the M1. The Polysix, Poly-61 and Poly-800 all feel the same. Plastic keys with springs. It has an arpeggiator that can do “as played” so it can almost double as a sequencer for 64 notes or less. Nice digital delay, auto bend and 4 waveforms on the LFO. No, it is not going to feel anything like a Poly-800. I would never part with either of them.Don B.Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:02 PMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.
But does the DW8000 give you the same feel as a Poly 8? Or does it feel like a completely different animal?On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
no, sorry I don't/MikeFrom: "Gordonjcp gordon@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
>
Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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2015-09-10 by <backshall1@...>
enjoy!
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:55 AM, backshall1@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Completely different animal. It has 16 oscillators, 2 per voice, and it is essentially a wave-table synth. It has 16 single-cycle waves to choose from. One is a sawtooth, one is sine, the others have varying complexity, and with 8 filters instead of one it isn’t going to feel much like a Poly-800. Not to mention the velocity and aftertouch and weighted keys. It’s one of my favorite keyboards for feel, along with the DX7 and D-50 and maybe the M1. The Polysix, Poly-61 and Poly-800 all feel the same. Plastic keys with springs. It has an arpeggiator that can do “as played” so it can almost double as a sequencer for 64 notes or less. Nice digital delay, auto bend and 4 waveforms on the LFO. No, it is not going to feel anything like a Poly-800. I would never part with either of them.Don B.Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:02 PMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.But does the DW8000 give you the same feel as a Poly 8? Or does it feel like a completely different animal?On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
no, sorry I don't/MikeFrom: "Gordonjcp gordon@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
>
Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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2015-09-10 by Donal Finn
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM, backshall1@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hmmm indeed. I think of the JP8000 and MS2000 as MIDI syncable groove machines with lots of knobs for real-time tweaking. The DW8000 is more of a players machine, with fast, smooth keys with a nice touch. If you are mostly doing sequencing with a computer your best bet would be a Poly-800 with Mike’s Hawk-800 kit. Lots of LFOs and vast MIDI control. Neither the Poly-800 nor DW-8000 has a lot of knobs to twiddle but you can easily add the Moog Slayer mod to a Poly-800 (or control the same parameters from a computer with the Hawk-800 installed). If you want 5 octaves of keys with velocity and aftertouch you need the DW-8000. If 4 octaves is enough and you only need velocity control over MIDI, the the Poly-800/Hawk-800 is the way to go. Check out the Hawk features list at http://patrioticduo.tripod.com/hawk800/FeaturesCompleted.html before you do anything else.Don B.Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:23 AMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.
Hmmm...interestingI'm not much of a DX7 or , d50 ect. type fan, but I love the polly 8, I just wish it had velocity sensitive keys,Although maybe I shouldn't have made such a big thing of that as I just found out a few days ago that the Juno 106 doesn't either (After using one frequently...duh) it was like finding out there's no Santa...anyway..I can replace my Polly 8 for $220Or get a warrantee backed DW8000 for $225Which do I choose?(Just so you know I'm kind of a JP8000, MS2000 kinda guy)On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Vukan Stojanovic vukansto@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
enjoy!
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:55 AM, backshall1@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Completely different animal. It has 16 oscillators, 2 per voice, and it is essentially a wave-table synth. It has 16 single-cycle waves to choose from. One is a sawtooth, one is sine, the others have varying complexity, and with 8 filters instead of one it isn’t going to feel much like a Poly-800. Not to mention the velocity and aftertouch and weighted keys. It’s one of my favorite keyboards for feel, along with the DX7 and D-50 and maybe the M1. The Polysix, Poly-61 and Poly-800 all feel the same. Plastic keys with springs. It has an arpeggiator that can do “as played” so it can almost double as a sequencer for 64 notes or less. Nice digital delay, auto bend and 4 waveforms on the LFO. No, it is not going to feel anything like a Poly-800. I would never part with either of them.Don B.Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:02 PMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.But does the DW8000 give you the same feel as a Poly 8? Or does it feel like a completely different animal?On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
no, sorry I don't/MikeFrom: "Gordonjcp gordon@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
>
Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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2015-09-11 by <backshall1@...>
Hmmm indeed. I think of the JP8000 and MS2000 as MIDI syncable groove machines with lots of knobs for real-time tweaking. The DW8000 is more of a players machine, with fast, smooth keys with a nice touch. If you are mostly doing sequencing with a computer your best bet would be a Poly-800 with Mike’s Hawk-800 kit. Lots of LFOs and vast MIDI control. Neither the Poly-800 nor DW-8000 has a lot of knobs to twiddle but you can easily add the Moog Slayer mod to a Poly-800 (or control the same parameters from a computer with the Hawk-800 installed). If you want 5 octaves of keys with velocity and aftertouch you need the DW-8000. If 4 octaves is enough and you only need velocity control over MIDI, the the Poly-800/Hawk-800 is the way to go. Check out the Hawk features list at http://patrioticduo.tripod.com/hawk800/FeaturesCompleted.html before you do anything else.Don B.Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:23 AMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.Hmmm...interestingI'm not much of a DX7 or , d50 ect. type fan, but I love the polly 8, I just wish it had velocity sensitive keys,Although maybe I shouldn't have made such a big thing of that as I just found out a few days ago that the Juno 106 doesn't either (After using one frequently...duh) it was like finding out there's no Santa...anyway..I can replace my Polly 8 for $220Or get a warrantee backed DW8000 for $225Which do I choose?(Just so you know I'm kind of a JP8000, MS2000 kinda guy)On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Vukan Stojanovic vukansto@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
enjoy!
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:55 AM, backshall1@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Completely different animal. It has 16 oscillators, 2 per voice, and it is essentially a wave-table synth. It has 16 single-cycle waves to choose from. One is a sawtooth, one is sine, the others have varying complexity, and with 8 filters instead of one it isn’t going to feel much like a Poly-800. Not to mention the velocity and aftertouch and weighted keys. It’s one of my favorite keyboards for feel, along with the DX7 and D-50 and maybe the M1. The Polysix, Poly-61 and Poly-800 all feel the same. Plastic keys with springs. It has an arpeggiator that can do “as played” so it can almost double as a sequencer for 64 notes or less. Nice digital delay, auto bend and 4 waveforms on the LFO. No, it is not going to feel anything like a Poly-800. I would never part with either of them.Don B.Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:02 PMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.But does the DW8000 give you the same feel as a Poly 8? Or does it feel like a completely different animal?On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
no, sorry I don't/MikeFrom: "Gordonjcp gordon@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex]" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 03:22:16PM +0000, Michael Hawkins korgpolyex800@... [korgpolyex] wrote:
> The DW-8000 has a bunch of things that the Poly-800 should have had. But the DW-8000 still has many annoying limitations that the Poly-800 also had. One or two LFO's with only a few ways to modulate.The waveform generation of the DW-8000 - although better than the Poly - still doesn't give you much control over phase. PWM - true independent detuning and true independent modulation of all oscillators - all missing. The MIDI implementation is a lot better than Poly but still quirky enough to make it painful. The arpeggiator is standard fare without anything special. Though I do like the DW-8000, and 300 Euro's is pretty good for an EX-8000.
>
Hmm, that's kind of got me thinking. I don't suppose you've got wave ROM dumps for the DW8000, do you?
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Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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2015-09-11 by Gordonjcp
> Sorry to all the Juno fans out there, but I don’t think the 106 has much going for it. The only reason I think it might be worth more than a DW-8000 is because it has 16 slide controls, which really invite tweaking during performance. The DW has a number pad and up/down buttons much like a Poly-800, with the addition of a Data slider to make coarse adjustments or quickly move through an entire parameters range. Of course, you have to select the parameter first and you can only change one parameter at a time. The Juno-106 also has nice sounding filters, when they work. Unfortunately these are the dreaded 80017 daughter boards that had so many early failures due to the deteriorating plastic coating.The unison thing is annoying, and would have been a really easy software fix. On the upside for the Juno, the oscillators don't aliase or go out of tune.
> There is nothing wrong with the DW-8000 filters. The NJM2069 sound just fine to me. They are are the same thing that is in the Poly-800 and the DW has eight of them instead of just one. Unison mode is absolutely horrible on a Juno-106. Six digital oscillators synced to the same clock. Hard sync, with just enough phase difference to cause harmonic cancellation that results in a static hollow honking tone. The DW-8000 has automatic detuning in unison mode to get some nice swirling motion without any additional effects. With 16 oscillators it’s HUGE. Add velocity, aftertouch, arpeggiator and digital delay and it is hard to think of the DW as a poor man’s anything. Oh, and the Joystick. The 8000 works the same as the 800, with pitch bend to the left and right, LFO to pitch in the forward direction and LFO to filter cutoff in the back direction. The Juno has pitch bend of course, but pushing it forward just turns a switch on to activate modulation. It doesn’t move in the backwards direction.
2015-09-11 by ultragalore@...
2015-09-11 by <backshall1@...>
Well.. these machines are from different era's. I love the intuitiveness from the 70 machines and it makes you really understand what you're doing with sound. I suppose a lot of people who have had their first encounter with these machines are hooked forever. I have no problem with the same level of control on a MIDI enabled synth like the Hawk800 or DW8000 via a controller pad or DAW.
2015-09-11 by Donal Finn
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 4:12 AM, backshall1@... [korgpolyex] <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
We are not talking about any ‘70s machines here. Juno 106 is 1984 and DW-8000 is 1985. Of course, the ‘80s had so many synth innovations that it really seems like several eras of different sounds. The Juno has that raw analog-type sound with just sawtooth and square/pulse waves while the DW-8000 has 16 more complex waveforms which are perfect for those pads you mentioned. For a raw saw/square/pulse six-voice poly synth, I’ll stick with my Polysix with six real analog oscillators. Those six will probably never be in tune but that just makes every Polysix unique.Don B.Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 5:12 AMSubject: Re: [korgpolyex] hmmm.Well.. these machines are from different era's. I love the intuitiveness from the 70 machines and it makes you really understand what you're doing with sound. I suppose a lot of people who have had their first encounter with these machines are hooked forever. I have no problem with the same level of control on a MIDI enabled synth like the Hawk800 or DW8000 via a controller pad or DAW.
Main thing is you turn them on and the sound like they should. In that respect they both have deserved their status. Juno is a killer on electro funk, DW8000 is perfect for the 80s pad sounds and thats where I'm aiming for.