Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

hey there!!!!

i have an EX800 - like it very much, but there is one thing i don´t 
quite understand...

why is there no editor-module for the EX800 or POLY800 in a 
professional software like sóund-diver from emagic???

they have them all - you can even controll a memory-moog with sound-
diver...  ????????BUT WHY NOT EX800 / POLY800??????????

the customer service can´t really help, they said i should be 
patient - but i posted an email more than two years ago - same 
topic - same answer - please be patient...

here the questionbs:

which functions of the EX800 are controlable via MIDI/sysex
is there maybe a "freeware-editor arround somewhere?

thanx, simon

Well, you shouldn't get all upset about it.  The Polys and the EX 
were made loooooonnnnnnnggg before editing hardware via a PC was 
common, especially non-sampling units.  Most apps these days for 
hardware made in the '80s and early '90s are user-created apps 
anyway.  Unless, of course, you want to dig up an old Atari system 
and use that.

I'm sure others here have more relevant answers, however I wonder, 
aside from triggering notes via MIDI, and possibly a SYSEX dump to 
save patches, why you need an editor for the EX in the first place?  
It's such an easy unit; sounds to me like more trouble to implement 
an editor for it than it is just to reach over and punch a few 
buttons.



--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "the_emulatorii" <epiphone@y...> 
wrote:

> hey there!!!!
> 
> i have an EX800 - like it very much, but there is one thing i don´t 
> quite understand...
> 
> why is there no editor-module for the EX800 or POLY800 in a 
> professional software like sóund-diver from emagic???
> 
> they have them all - you can even controll a memory-moog with sound-
> diver...  ????????BUT WHY NOT EX800 / POLY800??????????
> 
> the customer service can´t really help, they said i should be 
> patient - but i posted an email more than two years ago - same 
> topic - same answer - please be patient...
> 
> here the questionbs:
> 
> which functions of the EX800 are controlable via MIDI/sysex
> is there maybe a "freeware-editor arround somewhere?
> 
> thanx, simon

Even with the knob mod(freq/res) the editing is still tedious. IMHO, a screen of knobs would be infinently better,like the niffty juno 106 editor.

-----Original Message-----
From: toorglick [mailto:toorglick@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:15 AM
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: EX-800 and sound-diver???

Well, you shouldn't get all upset about it. The Polys and the EX
were made loooooonnnnnnnggg before editing hardware via a PC was
common, especially non-sampling units. Most apps these days for
hardware made in the '80s and early '90s are user-created apps
anyway. Unless, of course, you want to dig up an old Atari system
and use that.

I'm sure others here have more relevant answers, however I wonder,
aside from triggering notes via MIDI, and possibly a SYSEX dump to
save patches, why you need an editor for the EX in the first place?
It's such an easy unit; sounds to me like more trouble to implement
an editor for it than it is just to reach over and punch a few
buttons.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "the_emulatorii"
wrote:
> hey there!!!!
>
> i have an EX800 - like it very much, but there is one thing i don´t
>; quite understand...
>
> why is there no editor-module for the EX800 or POLY800 in a
> professional software like sóund-diver from emagic???
>
> they have them all - you can even controll a memory-moog with sound-
> diver... ????????BUT WHY NOT EX800 / POLY800??????????
>
> the customer service can´t really help, they said i should be
> patient - but i posted an email more than two years ago - same
> topic - same answer - please be patient...
>
> here the questionbs:
>
> which functions of the EX800 are controlable via MIDI/sysex
> is there maybe a "freeware-editor arround somewhere?
>
> thanx, simon

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Ha Ha good luck.  I've always wondered same.  Midi Quest XL has it on 
list. Wonder if sys dump only.  Of course.  But that's cool.  At 
least a librarian, not that either.  But you're in same shape as me 
in considering my controller: JX 10 Roland.  For some reason IT HAS 
NO MIDI EDITING VIA SOFTWARE!  I don't use for sound anymore.  If 
there's a synth that has no editing features, I have it.  I have to 
figure out a way to easily dump sound file from my ex's "tape out" 
mini pluggers to my sequencer for easy load and save. 

SWARTZTNEGGER SAVES AMERICA!!!  

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "the_emulatorii" <epiphone@y...> 
wrote:

> hey there!!!!
> 
> i have an EX800 - like it very much, but there is one thing i don´t 
> quite understand...
> 
> why is there no editor-module for the EX800 or POLY800 in a 
> professional software like sóund-diver from emagic???
> 
> they have them all - you can even controll a memory-moog with sound-
> diver...  ????????BUT WHY NOT EX800 / POLY800??????????
> 
> the customer service can´t really help, they said i should be 
> patient - but i posted an email more than two years ago - same 
> topic - same answer - please be patient...
> 
> here the questionbs:
> 
> which functions of the EX800 are controlable via MIDI/sysex
> is there maybe a "freeware-editor arround somewhere?
> 
> thanx, simon

well thanx for the replies so far - first of all i will answer the 
questions, which have occurred:

of course the EX800 is quite simple to program, but i find it 
extremely annoying having to step through those menues all the time. 
oi bought sound-diver just for the synths which are controlled by 
these "multifunctional" menues, or don´t have an editor at all -  
for example:

- DX7-II-fd
- TX802
- matrix 1000
- JX8P (i don´t have a controller)
- EX800

all of them are in my oppinion hard to deal with and this is why i 
went out and bought the software. but now i find the software 
annoying, because the synths are only supported partly...

i mean why the f... should i use a software-editor for a synth like 
JD800 - it has all the sliders right on the board. they have an 
editor for the JD800 - but not for synths, which would really need 
an editor (like the Poly/EX800)

this really pisses me off - i have complained to emagic two years 
ago and again now - they´re not interested and tell me i should 
check the updates to see if i will have what i want some fine day...

brilliant - thanx for the conversation and congradulations to a good 
customer-support. what use is a software of a big company like 
emagic if it isn´t complete? i can understand, that they have 
problems supporting all the NEW synths that come out, BUT we are 
talking of VINTAGE synth - their number will not increase anymore!

i don´t understand this, two questions:

1: is there an software-editor (for true parameter-editing) out 
there somewhere????

2: which parameters of the EX800 can be ajusted via MIDI/sysex?????

thank you all - best regards, simon





oh and by the way, the name is SCHWARZENEGGER and i am sad that 
people, who were not born in USA can´t be elected to beeing 
president.

because if it were possible - ARNOLD from old-europe would rule the 
USA and that would hopefully change a lot of things to the better...

PEACE!

i mean why the f... should i use a software-editor for a synth like 
JD800 - it has all the sliders right on the board. they have an 
editor for the JD800 - but not for synths, which would really need 
an editor (like the Poly/EX800)


So you can save and manage banks on your hard drive.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "the_emulatorii" <epiphone@y...> 
wrote:
> well thanx for the replies so far - first of all i will answer the 
> questions, which have occurred:
> 
> of course the EX800 is quite simple to program, but i find it 
> extremely annoying having to step through those menues all the 
time. 
> oi bought sound-diver just for the synths which are controlled by 
> these "multifunctional" menues, or don´t have an editor at all -  
> for example:
> 
> - DX7-II-fd
> - TX802
> - matrix 1000
> - JX8P (i don´t have a controller)
> - EX800
> 
> all of them are in my oppinion hard to deal with and this is why i 
> went out and bought the software. but now i find the software 
> annoying, because the synths are only supported partly...
> 
> i mean why the f... should i use a software-editor for a synth like 
> JD800 - it has all the sliders right on the board. they have an 
> editor for the JD800 - but not for synths, which would really need 
> an editor (like the Poly/EX800)
> 
> this really pisses me off - i have complained to emagic two years 
> ago and again now - they´re not interested and tell me i should 
> check the updates to see if i will have what i want some fine day...
> 
> brilliant - thanx for the conversation and congradulations to a 
good 

> customer-support. what use is a software of a big company like 
> emagic if it isn´t complete? i can understand, that they have 
> problems supporting all the NEW synths that come out, BUT we are 
> talking of VINTAGE synth - their number will not increase anymore!
> 
> i don´t understand this, two questions:
> 
> 1: is there an software-editor (for true parameter-editing) out 
> there somewhere????
> 
> 2: which parameters of the EX800 can be ajusted via MIDI/sysex?????
> 
> thank you all - best regards, simon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> oh and by the way, the name is SCHWARZENEGGER and i am sad that 
> people, who were not born in USA can´t be elected to beeing 
> president.
> 
> because if it were possible - ARNOLD from old-europe would rule the 
> USA and that would hopefully change a lot of things to the better...
> 
> PEACE!

Well, the answer is simple. To my knowledge all Poly-800 (and the
EX-800) do not support any single parameter control via MIDI. So it
is not *possible* to do things like moving a slider on the PC and the
corresponding sound parameter changes.
Why? The Poly 800 (MK I) was the FIRST Korg synthesizer that had MIDI.
I dont think that they even thought about this in those days. They did
not even include such a basic command as MIDI Volume!

Johannes



korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> well thanx for the replies so far - first of all i will answer the 
> questions, which have occurred:
> 
> of course the EX800 is quite simple to program, but i find it 
> extremely annoying having to step through those menues all the time. 
> oi bought sound-diver just for the synths which are controlled by 
> these "multifunctional" menues, or don\ufffdt have an editor at all -  
> for example:
> 
> - DX7-II-fd
> - TX802
> - matrix 1000
> - JX8P (i don\ufffdt have a controller)
> - EX800
> 
> all of them are in my oppinion hard to deal with and this is why i 
> went out and bought the software. but now i find the software 
> annoying, because the synths are only supported partly...
> 
> i mean why the f... should i use a software-editor for a synth like 
> JD800 - it has all the sliders right on the board. they have an 
> editor for the JD800 - but not for synths, which would really need 
> an editor (like the Poly/EX800)
> 
> this really pisses me off - i have complained to emagic two years 
> ago and again now - they\ufffdre not interested and tell me i should 
> check the updates to see if i will have what i want some fine day...
> 
> brilliant - thanx for the conversation and congradulations to a good 
> customer-support. what use is a software of a big company like 
> emagic if it isn\ufffdt complete? i can understand, that they have 
> problems supporting all the NEW synths that come out, BUT we are 
> talking of VINTAGE synth - their number will not increase anymore!
> 
> i don\ufffdt understand this, two questions:
> 
> 1: is there an software-editor (for true parameter-editing) out 
> there somewhere????
> 
> 2: which parameters of the EX800 can be ajusted via MIDI/sysex?????
> 
> thank you all - best regards, simon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> oh and by the way, the name is SCHWARZENEGGER and i am sad that 
> people, who were not born in USA can\ufffdt be elected to beeing 
> president.
> 
> because if it were possible - ARNOLD from old-europe would rule the 
> USA and that would hopefully change a lot of things to the better...
> 
> PEACE!
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Thanks god, its less things to do...But Aloha:EX 800 WITH midi 
volume..thank you

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Johannes Hausensteiner 
<jo.synth@c...> wrote:
> Well, the answer is simple. To my knowledge all Poly-800 (and the
> EX-800) do not support any single parameter control via MIDI. So it
> is not *possible* to do things like moving a slider on the PC and 
the
> corresponding sound parameter changes.
> Why? The Poly 800 (MK I) was the FIRST Korg synthesizer that had 
MIDI.
> I dont think that they even thought about this in those days. They 
did
> not even include such a basic command as MIDI Volume!
> 
> Johannes
> 
> 
> 
> korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > well thanx for the replies so far - first of all i will answer 
the 
> > questions, which have occurred:
> > 
> > of course the EX800 is quite simple to program, but i find it 
> > extremely annoying having to step through those menues all the 
time. 
> > oi bought sound-diver just for the synths which are controlled by 
> > these "multifunctional" menues, or don´t have an editor at all -  
> > for example:
> > 
> > - DX7-II-fd
> > - TX802
> > - matrix 1000
> > - JX8P (i don´t have a controller)
> > - EX800
> > 
> > all of them are in my oppinion hard to deal with and this is why 
i 
> > went out and bought the software. but now i find the software 
> > annoying, because the synths are only supported partly...
> > 
> > i mean why the f... should i use a software-editor for a synth 
like 
> > JD800 - it has all the sliders right on the board. they have an 
> > editor for the JD800 - but not for synths, which would really 
need 
> > an editor (like the Poly/EX800)
> > 
> > this really pisses me off - i have complained to emagic two years 
> > ago and again now - they´re not interested and tell me i should 
> > check the updates to see if i will have what i want some fine 
day...
> > 
> > brilliant - thanx for the conversation and congradulations to a 
good 
> > customer-support. what use is a software of a big company like 
> > emagic if it isn´t complete? i can understand, that they have 
> > problems supporting all the NEW synths that come out, BUT we are 
> > talking of VINTAGE synth - their number will not increase anymore!
> > 
> > i don´t understand this, two questions:
> > 
> > 1: is there an software-editor (for true parameter-editing) out 
> > there somewhere????
> > 
> > 2: which parameters of the EX800 can be ajusted via 
MIDI/sysex?????
> > 
> > thank you all - best regards, simon
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > oh and by the way, the name is SCHWARZENEGGER and i am sad that 
> > people, who were not born in USA can´t be elected to beeing 
> > president.
> > 
> > because if it were possible - ARNOLD from old-europe would rule 
the 
> > USA and that would hopefully change a lot of things to the 
better...
> > 
> > PEACE!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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