Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Hiya,yep that is one interesting story,I'm amazed it is working at
> all,remind me not to buy your Poly800 if you ever put it on ebay.!
> Anyway,this may not be any help to ypu i have an EX-800 and I
> downloaded the .wav file of factory presets of the web,I connected the
> tape in to the internal audio out on my iBook using a mono jack lead
> with and using freeware program Audity (a freeware sound editor)
> played it into the EX-800 and I got the same error I then change the
> gain switch on back from low to high and it worked perfectly.
> The other thing it maybe is your .wav file is corrupted,I can email my
> one if you want.
>
> j
>
> On 17 Jun 2013, at 15:12, daveyray913 wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> > I've been a Korg Poly-800 mk1 owner since circa 1988. Traded in my
> > first synth, a Casio CZ-1000 + $150, for the upgrade and it was well
> > worth it. (on a side note: last week I had an impulse buy moment on
> > eBay and picked up a CZ-1000 again. It's fun, but much thinner
> > sounding than I remembered)
> >
> > BACKSTORY (if interested):
> > My Poly has been through hell and back. It survived me pounding on
> > it for years, a nephew once, unknown to me, took it from my closest
> > at was pounding on as a toy for a month or two while I was in
> > college, and it survived a house fire in 1992 where a thoughtful
> > firefighter threw it out a window to save it and it was promptly
> > stomped on accidentally by another fireman breaking some keys. It
> > still worked but since then I've just used another midi controller
> > to play it. I'm hoping to fix the keys soon too but I have another
> > more pressing issue:
> > Sorry, I have a bad habit of making a short story long. I'll ge onto..
> >
> > THE PROBLEM:
> > My Poly's been shelved for several years and now I'm hoping to dust
> > it off and Mod it and also would LOVE to add it to my rig in my band
> > BUT I'm trying to make sure it's 100% operational first. I browsed
> > your topics and I found a few that talk about ERR/load issues but my
> > problem seemed just different enough where I couldn't find a
> > solution. As I'm sure many of you have experienced, dealing with the
> > tape interface to load patches can be frustrating and I had it down
> > to a science last time I had the Poly running ~ 5 years ago. But
> > this time, no matter what I attempt, I cannot load from a tape/wav/
> > audio source. It has given me a LOAD-ERR message over 1000X now no
> > matter what levels or audio device, or with using new cables,
> > different sources for the load files I try… I even got desperate and
> > tried running the signal thru compressors and EQ etc. but still no
> > dice. I can see that it's `hearing' the signal since the `LoAd'
> > lights are twinkling and I'm getting the Err message at the end.
> > Good News: The synth itself is functioning. I put in new C's and I
> > can manually type in and edit patches and they keep in memory.
> >
> > Is this a known problem? Is there a fix like a bad resistor to
> > replace? Or is there a better way to load patches on a Poly 800 mk1?
> > I tried a sysex/midi patch dump but… it's doesn't seem to work
> > through Ableton since the poly 800 mk1's midi is so rudimentary.
> >
> > OR….Will the Hawk-800 installation solve my patch loading issue?
> >
> > Thank you kindly!
> > Daveyray of Jesse's First Time
> > www.JFTROCKS.COM
> >
> >
>

Hi Daveyray,
I only have EX and don't know about the problem, but I wanted to say you got a really good long story there! :)

If I would suspect something knowing nothing it's the tape load connector soldering that needs to be fixed. I've once soldered the MIDI in connector of Boss Dr-550 and rotary switch (umm not exactly related) of Alesis Microverb II. Well, the point is everything gets difficult when parts begin to disconnect.

If I could just find the schematics of EX... but we're talking about Poly, I recall there are schematics available right? I should take a look and see if there are weak links. I can't promise that immediately though.

Sami Jumppanen
http://samijum.pp.fi
- SGS2 -

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Sami Jumppanen <sami.jumppanen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Daveyray,
> I only have EX and don't know about the problem, but I wanted to say you
> got a really good long story there! :)
>
> If I would suspect something knowing nothing it's the tape load connector
> soldering that needs to be fixed. I've once soldered the MIDI in connector
> of Boss Dr-550 and rotary switch (umm not exactly related) of Alesis
> Microverb II. Well, the point is everything gets difficult when parts begin
> to disconnect.
>
> If I could just find the schematics of EX... but we're talking about Poly,
> I recall there are schematics available right? I should take a look and see
> if there are weak links. I can't promise that immediately though.
>
> Sami Jumppanen
> http://samijum.pp.fi
> - SGS2 -
> 17.6.2013 17.12 "daveyray913" <sinisterthewicked@...> kirjoitti:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> > I've been a Korg Poly-800 mk1 owner since circa 1988. Traded in my first
> > synth, a Casio CZ-1000 + $150, for the upgrade and it was well worth it.
> > (on a side note: last week I had an impulse buy moment on eBay and picked
> > up a CZ-1000 again. It's fun, but much thinner sounding than I remembered)
> >
> > BACKSTORY (if interested):
> > My Poly has been through hell and back. It survived me pounding on it for
> > years, a nephew once, unknown to me, took it from my closest at was
> > pounding on as a toy for a month or two while I was in college, and it
> > survived a house fire in 1992 where a thoughtful firefighter threw it out a
> > window to save it and it was promptly stomped on accidentally by another
> > fireman breaking some keys. It still worked but since then I've just used
> > another midi controller to play it. I'm hoping to fix the keys soon too but
> > I have another more pressing issue:
> > Sorry, I have a bad habit of making a short story long. I'll ge onto..
> >
> > THE PROBLEM:
> > My Poly's been shelved for several years and now I'm hoping to dust it off
> > and Mod it and also would LOVE to add it to my rig in my band BUT I'm
> > trying to make sure it's 100% operational first. I browsed your topics and
> > I found a few that talk about ERR/load issues but my problem seemed just
> > different enough where I couldn't find a solution. As I'm sure many of you
> > have experienced, dealing with the tape interface to load patches can be
> > frustrating and I had it down to a science last time I had the Poly running
> > ~ 5 years ago. But this time, no matter what I attempt, I cannot load from
> > a tape/wav/audio source. It has given me a LOAD-ERR message over 1000X now
> > no matter what levels or audio device, or with using new cables, different
> > sources for the load files I try… I even got desperate and tried running
> > the signal thru compressors and EQ etc. but still no dice. I can see that
> > it's `hearing' the signal since the `LoAd' lights are twinkling and I'm
> > getting the Err message at the end.
> > Good News: The synth itself is functioning. I put in new C's and I can
> > manually type in and edit patches and they keep in memory.
> >
> > Is this a known problem? Is there a fix like a bad resistor to replace? Or
> > is there a better way to load patches on a Poly 800 mk1? I tried a
> > sysex/midi patch dump but… it's doesn't seem to work through Ableton since
> > the poly 800 mk1's midi is so rudimentary.
> >
> > OR….Will the Hawk-800 installation solve my patch loading issue?
> >
> > Thank you kindly!
> > Daveyray of Jesse's First Time
> > www.JFTROCKS.COM
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry I meant Audacity not bloody Auidty idiot that I am.
> Actually I think I used a mini 3.5mm mono lead with a 6,3mm stereo
> converter on the EX-800 end.
> I would try to use some contact cleaner on your Poly800 on the lo/high
> switch first before pulling it to bits,great thing about the EX-800 is
> it doesn't use batteries its psu only and internal battery (which is
> fun to replace) your Poly 800 might keep the data you have with all
> the batteries in it? Has your Poly 800 got an internal battery to? If
> i I can find one at a reasonable price I'd much rather have the Poly
> 800 MK11 purely because of the DDL.
>
>
>
> On 19 Jun 2013, at 17:08, daveyray913 wrote:
>
> > Thanks much for the reply, I was getting worried no one wanted to
> > converse with me, or had no ideas to assist me.
> >
> > Yea, I wouldn't be so cruel as to sell this gangly ol' beast to an
> > unsuspecting customer. I may donate it to Michael if I wind up
> > buying one that's more functional. Have my eye on one on EBay right
> > now....but…
> >
> > Sadly, I tried pretty much what you did to no avail. ( I even also
> > use Audacity , nice little program, I use it often to digitally slow
> > down songs I'm trying to learn to get the nuances.)
> > I have several copies of the original factory load from various
> > sources. One's a digital copy I made from the original cassette I
> > still have which worked last time I had the 'board out 5 years ago.
> > I even tried user made patch sets people had posted...Oh and I'm
> > fairly certain I did not use MKII loads by accident.
> >
> > I can't be the only guy that has this issue. I've read many many
> > forums of Poly800 users having trouble getting it to load patches
> > but usually some sage advice on volume/gain and setting the switches
> > correctly solves it. Unfortunately, I think my problem is hardware
> > related on the poly itself. I've tried every combination of high/low
> > + volume + gain + different wires ( mono/balanced/stereo/unbalanced)
> > + crying a little and even bargaining with a crossroads demon. No
> > luck.
> > My Tape/Load toggle switch is getting a little funky, If I bump the
> > Poly it sometimes will leave the `load' screen back to `11P' and I
> > have to switch it back and forth a couple times to get it to work
> > again. So, for giggles, I'm going to try putting in new toggle
> > switches on the back panel just to be sure that's not it. I'm taking
> > trip to Radio 'Snack' tonight for parts.
> >
> > I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board, SO I can at
> > least manually load patches and not worry about losing them when the
> > C batteries fail.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Daveyray
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hiya,yep that is one interesting story,I'm amazed it is working at
> > > all,remind me not to buy your Poly800 if you ever put it on ebay.!
> > > Anyway,this may not be any help to ypu i have an EX-800 and I
> > > downloaded the .wav file of factory presets of the web,I connected
> > the
> > > tape in to the internal audio out on my iBook using a mono jack lead
> > > with and using freeware program Audity (a freeware sound editor)
> > > played it into the EX-800 and I got the same error I then change the
> > > gain switch on back from low to high and it worked perfectly.
> > > The other thing it maybe is your .wav file is corrupted,I can
> > email my
> > > one if you want.
> > >
> > > j
> > >
> > > On 17 Jun 2013, at 15:12, daveyray913 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello All,
> > > > I've been a Korg Poly-800 mk1 owner since circa 1988. Traded in my
> > > > first synth, a Casio CZ-1000 + $150, for the upgrade and it was
> > well
> > > > worth it. (on a side note: last week I had an impulse buy moment
> > on
> > > > eBay and picked up a CZ-1000 again. It's fun, but much thinner
> > > > sounding than I remembered)
> > > >
> > > > BACKSTORY (if interested):
> > > > My Poly has been through hell and back. It survived me pounding on
> > > > it for years, a nephew once, unknown to me, took it from my
> > closest
> > > > at was pounding on as a toy for a month or two while I was in
> > > > college, and it survived a house fire in 1992 where a thoughtful
> > > > firefighter threw it out a window to save it and it was promptly
> > > > stomped on accidentally by another fireman breaking some keys. It
> > > > still worked but since then I've just used another midi controller
> > > > to play it. I'm hoping to fix the keys soon too but I have another
> > > > more pressing issue:
> > > > Sorry, I have a bad habit of making a short story long. I'll ge
> > onto..
> > > >
> > > > THE PROBLEM:
> > > > My Poly's been shelved for several years and now I'm hoping to
> > dust
> > > > it off and Mod it and also would LOVE to add it to my rig in my
> > band
> > > > BUT I'm trying to make sure it's 100% operational first. I browsed
> > > > your topics and I found a few that talk about ERR/load issues
> > but my
> > > > problem seemed just different enough where I couldn't find a
> > > > solution. As I'm sure many of you have experienced, dealing with
> > the
> > > > tape interface to load patches can be frustrating and I had it
> > down
> > > > to a science last time I had the Poly running ~ 5 years ago. But
> > > > this time, no matter what I attempt, I cannot load from a tape/
> > wav/
> > > > audio source. It has given me a LOAD-ERR message over 1000X now no
> > > > matter what levels or audio device, or with using new cables,
> > > > different sources for the load files I try… I even got desperate
> > and
> > > > tried running the signal thru compressors and EQ etc. but still no
> > > > dice. I can see that it's `hearing' the signal since the `LoAd'
> > > > lights are twinkling and I'm getting the Err message at the end.
> > > > Good News: The synth itself is functioning. I put in new C's and I
> > > > can manually type in and edit patches and they keep in memory.
> > > >
> > > > Is this a known problem? Is there a fix like a bad resistor to
> > > > replace? Or is there a better way to load patches on a Poly 800
> > mk1?
> > > > I tried a sysex/midi patch dump but… it's doesn't seem to work
> > > > through Ableton since the poly 800 mk1's midi is so rudimentary.
> > > >
> > > > OR….Will the Hawk-800 installation solve my patch loading issue?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you kindly!
> > > > Daveyray of Jesse's First Time
> > > > www.JFTROCKS.COM
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:
>
> Try it the other way round first. Dump from the Poly-800 and see what you get. Then try and verify it. You may need to normalise it in software first. It doesn't matter that there's no patches
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sami Jumppanen <sami.jumppanen@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2013, 18:02
> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] New Member: (constant Load ERR.)
>
>
>
>  
> Hi Daveyray,
> I only have EX and don't know about the problem, but I wanted to say you got a really good long story there! :)
> If I would suspect something knowing nothing it's the tape load connector soldering that needs to be fixed. I've once soldered the MIDI in connector of Boss Dr-550 and rotary switch (umm not exactly related) of Alesis Microverb II. Well, the point is everything gets difficult when parts begin to disconnect.
> If I could just find the schematics of EX... but we're talking about Poly, I recall there are schematics available right? I should take a look and see if there are weak links. I can't promise that immediately though.
> Sami Jumppanen
> http://samijum.pp.fi
> - SGS2 -
> 17.6.2013 17.12 "daveyray913" <sinisterthewicked@...> kirjoitti:
>
>
> > 
> >Hello All,
> >I've been a Korg Poly-800 mk1 owner since circa 1988. Traded in my first synth, a Casio CZ-1000 + $150, for the upgrade and it was well worth it. (on a side note: last week I had an impulse buy moment on eBay and picked up a CZ-1000 again. It's fun, but much thinner sounding than I remembered)
> >
> >BACKSTORY (if interested):
> >My Poly has been through hell and back. It survived me pounding on it for years, a nephew once, unknown to me, took it from my closest at was pounding on as a toy for a month or two while I was in college, and it survived a house fire in 1992 where a thoughtful firefighter threw it out a window to save it and it was promptly stomped on accidentally by another fireman breaking some keys. It still worked but since then I've just used another midi controller to play it. I'm hoping to fix the keys soon too but I have another more pressing issue:
> >Sorry, I have a bad habit of making a short story long. I'll ge onto..
> >
> >THE PROBLEM:
> >My Poly's been shelved for several years and now I'm hoping to dust it off and Mod it and also would LOVE to add it to my rig in my band BUT I'm trying to make sure it's 100% operational first. I browsed your topics and I found a few that talk about ERR/load issues but my problem seemed just different enough where I couldn't find a solution. As I'm sure many of you have experienced, dealing with the tape interface to load patches can be frustrating and I had it down to a science last time I had the Poly running ~ 5 years ago. But this time, no matter what I attempt, I cannot load from a tape/wav/audio source. It has given me a LOAD-ERR message over 1000X now no matter what levels or audio device, or with using new cables, different sources for the load files I try… I even got desperate and tried running the signal thru compressors and EQ etc. but still no dice. I can see that it's `hearing' the signal since the `LoAd' lights are twinkling and I'm
> getting the Err message at the end.
> >Good News: The synth itself is functioning. I put in new C's and I can manually type in and edit patches and they keep in memory.
> >
> >Is this a known problem? Is there a fix like a bad resistor to replace? Or is there a better way to load patches on a Poly 800 mk1? I tried a sysex/midi patch dump but… it's doesn't seem to work through Ableton since the poly 800 mk1's midi is so rudimentary.
> >
> >OR….Will the Hawk-800 installation solve my patch loading issue?
> >
> >Thank you kindly!
> >Daveyray of Jesse's First Time
> >www.JFTROCKS.COM
> >
> >
>

>
> I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board, SO I can at least manually load patches and not worry about losing them when the C batteries fail.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:08:25PM -0000, daveyray913 wrote:
> >
> > I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board, SO I can at least manually load patches and not worry about losing them when the C batteries fail.
>
> Didn't you say the keyboard was knackered? Why not just bung an EX800 ROM in and load them over MIDI?
>
> --
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
>
> There's a mod that you can do that puts an EX800 ROM "on top" of the original Poly ROM. And you use a switch to flip from one or the other ROM's. This allows you to keep all of your Poly-800 joystick goodness etc while also getting the sysex ability when you need it. You power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your sysex. Then power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your keyboard, joystick thing. Not a bad idea at all, for its time.
>
> The biggest problem with fires is the awful damage that happens if electronic stuff is exposed to thick acrid smoke. Did your Poly get affected by the smoke or was it the fall from a great height that messed it up? If it's smoke damage then I would say it's a miracle the dang thing still works at all. And fixing smoke gunge covered PCB's and parts is a professional job unless you like dipping your hands in solvents and other carcinogenic stuff. Soap and water and a long drying time might be worth the trouble.
>
> The tape switch problem you have is NOT the reason you can't get a tape dump to load properly. As long as you can get the thing into Tape mode (which you can) and it stays that way for the duration of your dump, then the switch is good enough. Get some de-oxit and most likely you'll find your tape switch will be fine after some de-oxit treatment.
>
> The Poly-800 schematics (found in the download section of this group) are good enough for the EX-800. Especially with respect to the tape circuit section, they're identical.
>
> Yes, the HAWK would fix your tape problem because the HAWK has no tape functions at all. They are all replaced with sysex and MIDI CC implementation. I do agree that you ought to try to stabilize your patient before you try to transplant a HAWK into it.
>
> Your Poly is functioning which tells me it's not "knackered". Banged up a bit sure, who wouldn't be after a multistory throw by a ham fisted American firemen!
>
> So I would say, give your patient some more TLC. Don't sweat the tape problem too much. And if you can make her reliable then maybe a HAWK brain transplant might be worthwhile.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: daveyray913 <sinisterthewicked@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:30 PM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: New Member: (constant Load ERR.)
>
>
>
>  
> Ya, she's in rough shape, but I'm not quite ready to give up. After I cleaned it up this week and started fixing the broken keys... it doenst look TOO bad. The couple patches I manually programed are loud and clear and sound good...
>
> What I really want is to MOD it, make it useful in my band as a gimmicky piece of nostalgia, but I'm nervous installing Hawk into a 'knackered' 'board as you put it. (I love your vernacular btw).
>
> But I guess HAWK800 would fix the problem too...with it's much improved Midi Sysex? I could forget about the tape interface/lack of Mk1 sysex altogether.
>
> Silly question: Where do I aquire an EX-800 ROM? & Wouldnt I lose Joystick control?
>
> Decisions, decisions....
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:08:25PM -0000, daveyray913 wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board, SO I can at least manually load patches and not worry about losing them when the C batteries fail.
> >
> > Didn't you say the keyboard was knackered? Why not just bung an EX800 ROM in and load them over MIDI?
> >
> > --
> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> >
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Hysterical mother,Hysterical girlfriend take your pick..
> Yeah I'd def want to see a big photo of a firemans boot on your Poly
> 800 then we could tell which bit might be broken.
> The moral of this story is:- don't burn your house down.
>
> The stuff that got wet,should actually function once dryed out
> especially that DX11 which only got slightly wet,ok yiou might have to
> do some cleaning up ,contacts erc but should be ok I'd guess most of
> your stuff is DC ? If so they might work if dryed out.
>
>
> On 20 Jun 2013, at 15:37, daveyray913 wrote:
>
> > Luckily the Poly was in a 1/2 exposed basement studio. I don't think
> > the smoke hit it too hard. It was tossed about 8' out a near ground
> > level window, so it was more of a hard slide than a fall I'm
> > guessing. (I didn't see, I was busy on the street trying to calm my
> > hysterical mother) Then...it was kicked/stomped on by fireman I
> > guess to get it out of the way(BTW: all we Americans are ham-fisted,
> > that goes w/o saying :) ) It did get a little wet. Anything I had on
> > the floor /leaning on a wall i.e.: a DX11, a drum machine, a couple
> > amps, a few effects pedals, etc. were in a foot+ of water and
> > trashed. I did my best to clean up the few items that survived the
> > fire the next day.
> >
> > Thanks for all the assistance. Nothing left now then to decide on
> > which mod path to take once I have it fully operational. After
> > everyone's assistance I guess I'm not bothering with the tape load
> > function much longer, I'll make one more effort with the suggestions
> > given, then move on. Besides, I'm still battling getting the keys
> > fixed, and contacts cleaned etc. It will live again by golly!
> >
> > I'll photo document my progress for posterity and keep anyone who's
> > interested posted.
> >
> > Thanks for all the assistance!
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins
> > <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There's a mod that you can do that puts an EX800 ROM "on top" of
> > the original Poly ROM. And you use a switch to flip from one or the
> > other ROM's. This allows you to keep all of your Poly-800 joystick
> > goodness etc while also getting the sysex ability when you need it.
> > You power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your sysex.
> > Then power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your
> > keyboard, joystick thing. Not a bad idea at all, for its time.
> > >
> > > The biggest problem with fires is the awful damage that happens if
> > electronic stuff is exposed to thick acrid smoke. Did your Poly get
> > affected by the smoke or was it the fall from a great height that
> > messed it up? If it's smoke damage then I would say it's a miracle
> > the dang thing still works at all. And fixing smoke gunge covered
> > PCB's and parts is a professional job unless you like dipping your
> > hands in solvents and other carcinogenic stuff. Soap and water and a
> > long drying time might be worth the trouble.
> > >
> > > The tape switch problem you have is NOT the reason you can't get a
> > tape dump to load properly. As long as you can get the thing into
> > Tape mode (which you can) and it stays that way for the duration of
> > your dump, then the switch is good enough. Get some de-oxit and most
> > likely you'll find your tape switch will be fine after some de-oxit
> > treatment.
> > >
> > > The Poly-800 schematics (found in the download section of this
> > group) are good enough for the EX-800. Especially with respect to
> > the tape circuit section, they're identical.
> > >
> > > Yes, the HAWK would fix your tape problem because the HAWK has no
> > tape functions at all. They are all replaced with sysex and MIDI CC
> > implementation. I do agree that you ought to try to stabilize your
> > patient before you try to transplant a HAWK into it.
> > >
> > > Your Poly is functioning which tells me it's not "knackered".
> > Banged up a bit sure, who wouldn't be after a multistory throw by a
> > ham fisted American firemen!
> > >
> > > So I would say, give your patient some more TLC. Don't sweat the
> > tape problem too much. And if you can make her reliable then maybe a
> > HAWK brain transplant might be worthwhile.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: daveyray913 <sinisterthewicked@>
> > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:30 PM
> > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: New Member: (constant Load ERR.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Ya, she's in rough shape, but I'm not quite ready to give up.
> > After I cleaned it up this week and started fixing the broken
> > keys... it doenst look TOO bad. The couple patches I manually
> > programed are loud and clear and sound good...
> > >
> > > What I really want is to MOD it, make it useful in my band as a
> > gimmicky piece of nostalgia, but I'm nervous installing Hawk into a
> > 'knackered' 'board as you put it. (I love your vernacular btw).
> > >
> > > But I guess HAWK800 would fix the problem too...with it's much
> > improved Midi Sysex? I could forget about the tape interface/lack of
> > Mk1 sysex altogether.
> > >
> > > Silly question: Where do I aquire an EX-800 ROM? & Wouldnt I lose
> > Joystick control?
> > >
> > > Decisions, decisions....
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:08:25PM -0000, daveyray913 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board, SO I
> > can at least manually load patches and not worry about losing them
> > when the C batteries fail.
> > > >
> > > > Didn't you say the keyboard was knackered? Why not just bung an
> > EX800 ROM in and load them over MIDI?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

> I know DCO's are not the same as VCO's but I can't afford a Minimoog
> although I have since bought a Minibrute.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> no I didn't mean you fucked your mother I meant ALL women are
> Hysterical...
> Regarding the SK1,Casio always makes great gear,I used to have one
> myself,i love the drum sounds in that (like i love the Vl-Tone) and
> the 4/6/8-bit sampling is interesting my first sampler then another
> home keyboard Yamaha VSS-100 I think (crap) then an Akai X7000 great
> but used bloody 2.8inch quickdisks as storage and had a stupid way of
> giving it 6 seperate out's,was a 13 pin din to 6 jacks,nightmare to
> solder up and kept needing repairing.
>
> The Poly800 is worth bothering with,its real analogue not virtual and
> has as I have said a million times before you can tell the difference.
>
> J
>
>
> On 20 Jun 2013, at 17:28, daveyray913 wrote:
>
> > Ha, are you getting cheeky with me mate? I may be misinterpreting.
> >
> > Yea, I'm pretty certain it was my mother, not my girlfriend. Greek
> > king of Thebes, Oedipus, I am not.
> >
> > The gear on the floor was drown in black, sooty, very hot water for
> > over 2 hours...it had no hope of functioning ever again, and besides
> > the prolonged heat melted part of the DX11.
> > Trust me, I know dead when I see it. I do still have one other item
> > that survived even though it melted a bit.. a Casio SK-1 …still
> > works too.
> >
> > It's pretty obvious which keys were broken; they were sticking up at
> > Picasso-esque odd angles.
> >
> > And besides, this all happened a long time ago, I just happen to
> > still have my poly800 and recently have been feeling nostalgic
> > enough to try and fix it.
> >
> > "...And this is where I met the leprechaun... He told me to burn
> > things."
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hysterical mother,Hysterical girlfriend take your pick..
> > > Yeah I'd def want to see a big photo of a firemans boot on your Poly
> > > 800 then we could tell which bit might be broken.
> > > The moral of this story is:- don't burn your house down.
> > >
> > > The stuff that got wet,should actually function once dryed out
> > > especially that DX11 which only got slightly wet,ok yiou might
> > have to
> > > do some cleaning up ,contacts erc but should be ok I'd guess most of
> > > your stuff is DC ? If so they might work if dryed out.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 Jun 2013, at 15:37, daveyray913 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Luckily the Poly was in a 1/2 exposed basement studio. I don't
> > think
> > > > the smoke hit it too hard. It was tossed about 8' out a near
> > ground
> > > > level window, so it was more of a hard slide than a fall I'm
> > > > guessing. (I didn't see, I was busy on the street trying to calm
> > my
> > > > hysterical mother) Then...it was kicked/stomped on by fireman I
> > > > guess to get it out of the way(BTW: all we Americans are ham-
> > fisted,
> > > > that goes w/o saying :) ) It did get a little wet. Anything I
> > had on
> > > > the floor /leaning on a wall i.e.: a DX11, a drum machine, a
> > couple
> > > > amps, a few effects pedals, etc. were in a foot+ of water and
> > > > trashed. I did my best to clean up the few items that survived the
> > > > fire the next day.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the assistance. Nothing left now then to decide on
> > > > which mod path to take once I have it fully operational. After
> > > > everyone's assistance I guess I'm not bothering with the tape load
> > > > function much longer, I'll make one more effort with the
> > suggestions
> > > > given, then move on. Besides, I'm still battling getting the keys
> > > > fixed, and contacts cleaned etc. It will live again by golly!
> > > >
> > > > I'll photo document my progress for posterity and keep anyone
> > who's
> > > > interested posted.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the assistance!
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins
> > > > <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a mod that you can do that puts an EX800 ROM "on top" of
> > > > the original Poly ROM. And you use a switch to flip from one or
> > the
> > > > other ROM's. This allows you to keep all of your Poly-800 joystick
> > > > goodness etc while also getting the sysex ability when you need
> > it.
> > > > You power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your
> > sysex.
> > > > Then power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your
> > > > keyboard, joystick thing. Not a bad idea at all, for its time.
> > > > >
> > > > > The biggest problem with fires is the awful damage that
> > happens if
> > > > electronic stuff is exposed to thick acrid smoke. Did your Poly
> > get
> > > > affected by the smoke or was it the fall from a great height that
> > > > messed it up? If it's smoke damage then I would say it's a miracle
> > > > the dang thing still works at all. And fixing smoke gunge covered
> > > > PCB's and parts is a professional job unless you like dipping your
> > > > hands in solvents and other carcinogenic stuff. Soap and water
> > and a
> > > > long drying time might be worth the trouble.
> > > > >
> > > > > The tape switch problem you have is NOT the reason you can't
> > get a
> > > > tape dump to load properly. As long as you can get the thing into
> > > > Tape mode (which you can) and it stays that way for the duration
> > of
> > > > your dump, then the switch is good enough. Get some de-oxit and
> > most
> > > > likely you'll find your tape switch will be fine after some de-
> > oxit
> > > > treatment.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Poly-800 schematics (found in the download section of this
> > > > group) are good enough for the EX-800. Especially with respect to
> > > > the tape circuit section, they're identical.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, the HAWK would fix your tape problem because the HAWK has
> > no
> > > > tape functions at all. They are all replaced with sysex and MIDI
> > CC
> > > > implementation. I do agree that you ought to try to stabilize your
> > > > patient before you try to transplant a HAWK into it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your Poly is functioning which tells me it's not "knackered".
> > > > Banged up a bit sure, who wouldn't be after a multistory throw
> > by a
> > > > ham fisted American firemen!
> > > > >
> > > > > So I would say, give your patient some more TLC. Don't sweat the
> > > > tape problem too much. And if you can make her reliable then
> > maybe a
> > > > HAWK brain transplant might be worthwhile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: daveyray913 <sinisterthewicked@>
> > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: New Member: (constant Load ERR.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Ya, she's in rough shape, but I'm not quite ready to give up.
> > > > After I cleaned it up this week and started fixing the broken
> > > > keys... it doenst look TOO bad. The couple patches I manually
> > > > programed are loud and clear and sound good...
> > > > >
> > > > > What I really want is to MOD it, make it useful in my band as a
> > > > gimmicky piece of nostalgia, but I'm nervous installing Hawk
> > into a
> > > > 'knackered' 'board as you put it. (I love your vernacular btw).
> > > > >
> > > > > But I guess HAWK800 would fix the problem too...with it's much
> > > > improved Midi Sysex? I could forget about the tape interface/
> > lack of
> > > > Mk1 sysex altogether.
> > > > >
> > > > > Silly question: Where do I aquire an EX-800 ROM? & Wouldnt I
> > lose
> > > > Joystick control?
> > > > >
> > > > > Decisions, decisions....
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:08:25PM -0000, daveyray913 wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board,
> > SO I
> > > > can at least manually load patches and not worry about losing them
> > > > when the C batteries fail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Didn't you say the keyboard was knackered? Why not just bung
> > an
> > > > EX800 ROM in and load them over MIDI?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Eanna Butler <eanna.butler@...> wrote:
>
> Well done!
> You're able to load patch banks now?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:50 PM, daveyray913 <sinisterthewicked@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > " …didn't mean you fucked your mother" Ha! So glad I misinterpreted that.
> > You are right of course. I'm married to one of those `women' things. And
> > they can be quite hysterical at times (no offense to any ladies on this
> > forum).
> > If my Little Casio SK-1 wasn't in such rough shape, I'd consider
> > circuit-bending that! It is a fun & cheap little toy, and it was my very
> > 1st keyboard when I was 13-ish.
> >
> > I started digging into the Poly last night. I found some very interesting
> > things inside: A couple moth cocoons, a 5 cent nickel (now THAT could have
> > cause serious short circuits), and a tiny round wad of duct tape. Why? From
> > its shape I guess it was wadded up and put into a rubber boot of one of the
> > key contacts that was no longer depressing far enough? I took it in to have
> > the joystick repaired once; it had to be the service tech that did that, it
> > wasn't me.
> >
> > I think I can move the patient out of ICU and into the recovery ward. I
> > did the isopropyl and cotton swab trick and got all the key contacts
> > working again. I ordered 4 replacement keys and also fixed a
> > crackling/misfiring ¼" output jack with a little solder.
> >
> > I think it's almost time to order me a Hawk800 kit.
> >
> > Exciting!
> >
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > no I didn't mean you fucked your mother I meant ALL women are
> > > Hysterical...
> > > Regarding the SK1,Casio always makes great gear,I used to have one
> > > myself,i love the drum sounds in that (like i love the Vl-Tone) and
> > > the 4/6/8-bit sampling is interesting my first sampler then another
> > > home keyboard Yamaha VSS-100 I think (crap) then an Akai X7000 great
> > > but used bloody 2.8inch quickdisks as storage and had a stupid way of
> > > giving it 6 seperate out's,was a 13 pin din to 6 jacks,nightmare to
> > > solder up and kept needing repairing.
> > >
> > > The Poly800 is worth bothering with,its real analogue not virtual and
> > > has as I have said a million times before you can tell the difference.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 Jun 2013, at 17:28, daveyray913 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ha, are you getting cheeky with me mate? I may be misinterpreting.
> > > >
> > > > Yea, I'm pretty certain it was my mother, not my girlfriend. Greek
> > > > king of Thebes, Oedipus, I am not.
> > > >
> > > > The gear on the floor was drown in black, sooty, very hot water for
> > > > over 2 hours...it had no hope of functioning ever again, and besides
> > > > the prolonged heat melted part of the DX11.
> > > > Trust me, I know dead when I see it. I do still have one other item
> > > > that survived even though it melted a bit.. a Casio SK-1 …still
> > > > works too.
> > > >
> > > > It's pretty obvious which keys were broken; they were sticking up at
> > > > Picasso-esque odd angles.
> > > >
> > > > And besides, this all happened a long time ago, I just happen to
> > > > still have my poly800 and recently have been feeling nostalgic
> > > > enough to try and fix it.
> > > >
> > > > "...And this is where I met the leprechaun... He told me to burn
> > > > things."
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hysterical mother,Hysterical girlfriend take your pick..
> > > > > Yeah I'd def want to see a big photo of a firemans boot on your Poly
> > > > > 800 then we could tell which bit might be broken.
> > > > > The moral of this story is:- don't burn your house down.
> > > > >
> > > > > The stuff that got wet,should actually function once dryed out
> > > > > especially that DX11 which only got slightly wet,ok yiou might
> > > > have to
> > > > > do some cleaning up ,contacts erc but should be ok I'd guess most of
> > > > > your stuff is DC ? If so they might work if dryed out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 20 Jun 2013, at 15:37, daveyray913 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Luckily the Poly was in a 1/2 exposed basement studio. I don't
> > > > think
> > > > > > the smoke hit it too hard. It was tossed about 8' out a near
> > > > ground
> > > > > > level window, so it was more of a hard slide than a fall I'm
> > > > > > guessing. (I didn't see, I was busy on the street trying to calm
> > > > my
> > > > > > hysterical mother) Then...it was kicked/stomped on by fireman I
> > > > > > guess to get it out of the way(BTW: all we Americans are ham-
> > > > fisted,
> > > > > > that goes w/o saying :) ) It did get a little wet. Anything I
> > > > had on
> > > > > > the floor /leaning on a wall i.e.: a DX11, a drum machine, a
> > > > couple
> > > > > > amps, a few effects pedals, etc. were in a foot+ of water and
> > > > > > trashed. I did my best to clean up the few items that survived the
> > > > > > fire the next day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for all the assistance. Nothing left now then to decide on
> > > > > > which mod path to take once I have it fully operational. After
> > > > > > everyone's assistance I guess I'm not bothering with the tape load
> > > > > > function much longer, I'll make one more effort with the
> > > > suggestions
> > > > > > given, then move on. Besides, I'm still battling getting the keys
> > > > > > fixed, and contacts cleaned etc. It will live again by golly!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll photo document my progress for posterity and keep anyone
> > > > who's
> > > > > > interested posted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for all the assistance!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins
> > > > > > <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There's a mod that you can do that puts an EX800 ROM "on top" of
> > > > > > the original Poly ROM. And you use a switch to flip from one or
> > > > the
> > > > > > other ROM's. This allows you to keep all of your Poly-800 joystick
> > > > > > goodness etc while also getting the sysex ability when you need
> > > > it.
> > > > > > You power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your
> > > > sysex.
> > > > > > Then power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your
> > > > > > keyboard, joystick thing. Not a bad idea at all, for its time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The biggest problem with fires is the awful damage that
> > > > happens if
> > > > > > electronic stuff is exposed to thick acrid smoke. Did your Poly
> > > > get
> > > > > > affected by the smoke or was it the fall from a great height that
> > > > > > messed it up? If it's smoke damage then I would say it's a miracle
> > > > > > the dang thing still works at all. And fixing smoke gunge covered
> > > > > > PCB's and parts is a professional job unless you like dipping your
> > > > > > hands in solvents and other carcinogenic stuff. Soap and water
> > > > and a
> > > > > > long drying time might be worth the trouble.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The tape switch problem you have is NOT the reason you can't
> > > > get a
> > > > > > tape dump to load properly. As long as you can get the thing into
> > > > > > Tape mode (which you can) and it stays that way for the duration
> > > > of
> > > > > > your dump, then the switch is good enough. Get some de-oxit and
> > > > most
> > > > > > likely you'll find your tape switch will be fine after some de-
> > > > oxit
> > > > > > treatment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Poly-800 schematics (found in the download section of this
> > > > > > group) are good enough for the EX-800. Especially with respect to
> > > > > > the tape circuit section, they're identical.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, the HAWK would fix your tape problem because the HAWK has
> > > > no
> > > > > > tape functions at all. They are all replaced with sysex and MIDI
> > > > CC
> > > > > > implementation. I do agree that you ought to try to stabilize your
> > > > > > patient before you try to transplant a HAWK into it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your Poly is functioning which tells me it's not "knackered".
> > > > > > Banged up a bit sure, who wouldn't be after a multistory throw
> > > > by a
> > > > > > ham fisted American firemen!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I would say, give your patient some more TLC. Don't sweat the
> > > > > > tape problem too much. And if you can make her reliable then
> > > > maybe a
> > > > > > HAWK brain transplant might be worthwhile.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: daveyray913 <sinisterthewicked@>
> > > > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:30 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: New Member: (constant Load ERR.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > Ya, she's in rough shape, but I'm not quite ready to give up.
> > > > > > After I cleaned it up this week and started fixing the broken
> > > > > > keys... it doenst look TOO bad. The couple patches I manually
> > > > > > programed are loud and clear and sound good...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really want is to MOD it, make it useful in my band as a
> > > > > > gimmicky piece of nostalgia, but I'm nervous installing Hawk
> > > > into a
> > > > > > 'knackered' 'board as you put it. (I love your vernacular btw).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I guess HAWK800 would fix the problem too...with it's much
> > > > > > improved Midi Sysex? I could forget about the tape interface/
> > > > lack of
> > > > > > Mk1 sysex altogether.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Silly question: Where do I aquire an EX-800 ROM? & Wouldnt I
> > > > lose
> > > > > > Joystick control?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Decisions, decisions....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:08:25PM -0000, daveyray913 wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board,
> > > > SO I
> > > > > > can at least manually load patches and not worry about losing them
> > > > > > when the C batteries fail.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Didn't you say the keyboard was knackered? Why not just bung
> > > > an
> > > > > > EX800 ROM in and load them over MIDI?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> EBu
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Ok it's not VCO but DCO ok I fucking realise that,I didn't want to buy
> the EX-800 actually I wanted a Roland JX8P but now silly money I bid
> £425 for one and i got outbid.
> I know DCO's are not the same as VCO's but I can't afford a Minimoog
> although I have since bought a Minibrute.
>
> On 21 Jun 2013, at 07:23, Daniel Forró wrote:
>
> >
> > Poly 800 is real analog? Are you sure?
> >
> > Daniel Forro
> >
> > On 21 Jun, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Jason Adkins wrote:
> >
> >> The Poly800 is worth bothering with,its real analogue not virtual
> >> and has as I have said a million times before you can tell the
> >> difference.
> >
> >
> >
>

>The biggest limitation of any instrument is the musician using it.

This is true! :)

> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ok it's not VCO but DCO ok I fucking realise that,I didn't want to buy
> > the EX-800 actually I wanted a Roland JX8P but now silly money I bid
> > £425 for one and i got outbid.
> > I know DCO's are not the same as VCO's but I can't afford a Minimoog
> > although I have since bought a Minibrute.
> >
> > On 21 Jun 2013, at 07:23, Daniel Forró wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Poly 800 is real analog? Are you sure?
> > >
> > > Daniel Forro
> > >
> > > On 21 Jun, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Jason Adkins wrote:
> > >
> > >> The Poly800 is worth bothering with,its real analogue not virtual
> > >> and has as I have said a million times before you can tell the
> > >> difference.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

> Minimoogs are shit? Thats a new one.
> Leave them on for the first five minutes before using (until they
> warm up and get stable,like the reverse of the air-con in your
> motor) like my Minibrute and Monotribe.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gordon JC Pearce

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:21 PM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: P800 analog?

 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:59:05PM +0100, Jason Adkins wrote:
> Minimoogs are shit? Thats a new one.
> Leave them on for the first five minutes before using (until they
> warm up and get stable,like the reverse of the air-con in your
> motor) like my Minibrute and Monotribe.

They have horrible filters. There's no definition, just a big blurry squelch of noise. It's like smearing undercooked chocolate cake all over your mix.

Hate them.

--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

On 22 Jun, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:59:05PM +0100, Jason Adkins wrote:
>> Minimoogs are shit? Thats a new one.
>> Leave them on for the first five minutes before using (until they
>> warm up and get stable,like the reverse of the air-con in your
>> motor) like my Minibrute and Monotribe.
>
> They have horrible filters. There's no definition, just a big
> blurry squelch of noise. It's like smearing undercooked chocolate
> cake all over your mix.
>
> Hate them.

On 22 Jun, 2013, at 11:30 PM, Peter van Beerendonk wrote:

Ah,

 

horrible filters. That must be the reason why all other synthmakers try to copy them. (except arturia of course)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Jason Adkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: P800 analog?

 

Hi Peter,

I think Gordon,was probably trying to be funny,either that or he is an idiot. ;)

Oh yeah the Steiner-Parker filter on the Minibrute is brilliant,hence why I paid £409 for one.

I love the filter on the Monotribe too,I was thinking about buying the MS-20 remake too but the Minibrute looked more interesting.

On 22 Jun 2013, at 15:30, Peter van Beerendonk wrote:

 

Ah,

 

horrible filters. That must be the reason why all other synthmakers try to copy them. (except arturia of course)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gordon JC Pearce

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:21 PM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: P800 analog?

 

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:59:05PM +0100, Jason Adkins wrote:
> Minimoogs are shit? Thats a new one.
> Leave them on for the first five minutes before using (until they
> warm up and get stable,like the reverse of the air-con in your
> motor) like my Minibrute and Monotribe.

They have horrible filters. There's no definition, just a big blurry squelch of noise. It's like smearing undercooked chocolate cake all over your mix.

Hate them.

--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Forró

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:12 PM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: P800 analog?

 

That "legendary" ladder filter? It looks nice in schematics... I
didn't mind its sound, this is not the worse thing on Minimoog.

I had three, sold them all. Never understood why everybody wants them,
and why even it's copied in other instruments. Nice piece of furniture
and technology, for sure. But why everybody wants to sound like
thousands of other players? Minimoog has rather limited possibilities,
I was disappointed from its concept. No dedicated LFO, VCO sync,
limited audio FM, simple envelopes... Just boring. There are really
more interesting instruments, I still keep my Multimoog. It offers more.

Daniel Forro

On 22 Jun, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:59:05PM +0100, Jason Adkins wrote:
>> Minimoogs are shit? Thats a new one.
>> Leave them on for the first five minutes before using (until they
>> warm up and get stable,like the reverse of the air-con in your
>> motor) like my Minibrute and Monotribe.
>
> They have horrible filters. There's no definition, just a big
> blurry squelch of noise. It's like smearing undercooked chocolate
> cake all over your mix.
>
> Hate them.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jason Adkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 6:12 PM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: P800 analog?

 

Yeah the Model D is well limited,cough,I have used a Micromoog and a Rogue too but never a Multimoog so can't comment.

They used to sell the Realistic MG-1 here in the UK in Tandy/Radio Shack stores I think it got totally ignored.

Teisco 110F though was interesting,Kawai wasn't it,they have made some great stuff I used to have the SX240 and I still have the K4R,K1,K1M,K50e drum machine.

Can't say |I love Yamaha analogue synths too much or Italian synths apart from the Bit99,although I have never heard of the Elektor Modular guess kit built like a Maplin5600,Transcendent2000 etc

On 22 Jun 2013, at 16:37, Peter van Beerendonk wrote:

 

Hello Daniel,

 

I do like the sound and filter, but I agree the Model D is limited, but has a very distinct sound and isn't boring afaik.

I use the Moog model D together with other mono's (Realistic MG-1, Teisco 110F, Yamaha CS-15 + modulized CS-5, Crumar DS-2 and Elektor Modular)

 

But we are hi-jacking this thread I believe.

 

So for the TS: Yes Poly800 is analog and highly modifiable !!

 

Cheers Peter

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Forró

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:12 PM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: P800 analog?

 

That "legendary" ladder filter? It looks nice in schematics... I
didn't mind its sound, this is not the worse thing on Minimoog.

I had three, sold them all. Never understood why everybody wants them,
and why even it's copied in other instruments. Nice piece of furniture
and technology, for sure. But why everybody wants to sound like
thousands of other players? Minimoog has rather limited possibilities,
I was disappointed from its concept. No dedicated LFO, VCO sync,
limited audio FM, simple envelopes... Just boring. There are really
more interesting instruments, I still keep my Multimoog. It offers more.

Daniel Forro

On 22 Jun, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:59:05PM +0100, Jason Adkins wrote:
>> Minimoogs are shit? Thats a new one.
>> Leave them on for the first five minutes before using (until they
>> warm up and get stable,like the reverse of the air-con in your
>> motor) like my Minibrute and Monotribe.
>
> They have horrible filters. There's no definition, just a big
> blurry squelch of noise. It's like smearing undercooked chocolate
> cake all over your mix.
>
> Hate them.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah the Model D is well limited,cough,I have used a Micromoog and a
> Rogue too but never a Multimoog so can't comment.
> They used to sell the Realistic MG-1 here in the UK in Tandy/Radio
> Shack stores I think it got totally ignored.
> Teisco 110F though was interesting,Kawai wasn't it,they have made some
> great stuff I used to have the SX240 and I still have the
> K4R,K1,K1M,K50e drum machine.
> Can't say |I love Yamaha analogue synths too much or Italian synths
> apart from the Bit99,although I have never heard of the Elektor
> Modular guess kit built like a Maplin5600,Transcendent2000 etc
>
> On 22 Jun 2013, at 16:37, Peter van Beerendonk wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Daniel,
> >
> > I do like the sound and filter, but I agree the Model D is limited,
> > but has a very distinct sound and isn't boring afaik.
> > I use the Moog model D together with other mono's (Realistic MG-1,
> > Teisco 110F, Yamaha CS-15 + modulized CS-5, Crumar DS-2 and Elektor
> > Modular)
> >
> > But we are hi-jacking this thread I believe.
> >
> > So for the TS: Yes Poly800 is analog and highly modifiable !!
> >
> > Cheers Peter
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Forró
> > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: P800 analog?
> >
> >
> > That "legendary" ladder filter? It looks nice in schematics... I
> > didn't mind its sound, this is not the worse thing on Minimoog.
> >
> > I had three, sold them all. Never understood why everybody wants them,
> > and why even it's copied in other instruments. Nice piece of furniture
> > and technology, for sure. But why everybody wants to sound like
> > thousands of other players? Minimoog has rather limited possibilities,
> > I was disappointed from its concept. No dedicated LFO, VCO sync,
> > limited audio FM, simple envelopes... Just boring. There are really
> > more interesting instruments, I still keep my Multimoog. It offers
> > more.
> >
> > Daniel Forro
> >
> > On 22 Jun, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:59:05PM +0100, Jason Adkins wrote:
> > >> Minimoogs are shit? Thats a new one.
> > >> Leave them on for the first five minutes before using (until they
> > >> warm up and get stable,like the reverse of the air-con in your
> > >> motor) like my Minibrute and Monotribe.
> > >
> > > They have horrible filters. There's no definition, just a big
> > > blurry squelch of noise. It's like smearing undercooked chocolate
> > > cake all over your mix.
> > >
> > > Hate them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> Oh yes SE-1 Minimoog in a rack,my friend used to have a kenton midi
> retrofitted original Minimoog Model D,he swapped it and a Cheetah
> MS6 plus a Casio FZ1 for an ASR10 keyboard,I told him not to do
> it....
> But nobody listen's to a word I say.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah the ASR10 is a beast,I used to have the EPS16+ so know how good
> they are.but would still rather have a midi Minimoog and an MS6 and an
> FZ-1.
> I agree with you about the MS6,programmable from the front panel and
> multi-timbral unlike the Matrix-1000 (but a pain up the proverbial
> like said) ,which were similar price at time although I think the
> Matrix-1000 was about £100 more and only mono-timbral and needed an
> Atari/PC to program it.
>
> I guess the Minimoog is love or hate,I love the Arp Odyssey more I
> used to have the single oscillator version the Axxe,its really
> funky,def what did Itchiban Scratch bassline,sorry a classic electro
> tune if you wondered what the hell I was on about. The Minibrute does
> a great impression of that bassline with compression.
>
> J
>
> On 23 Jun 2013, at 13:51, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:49:01PM +0100, Jason Adkins wrote:
> > > Oh yes SE-1 Minimoog in a rack,my friend used to have a kenton midi
> > > retrofitted original Minimoog Model D,he swapped it and a Cheetah
> > > MS6 plus a Casio FZ1 for an ASR10 keyboard,I told him not to do
> > > it....
> > > But nobody listen's to a word I say.
> >
> > The ASR10 is a beast of a machine. I quite liked the FZ1, and I've
> > played about with an MS6 which is alright but has fairly horrible
> > software.
> >
> > Still not convinced by Minimoogs though. Maybe if they had a 12dB/
> > octave filter setting...?
> >
> > --
> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> >
> >
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Bummer you got the thing working coz I will miss your stream of
> consciousness,because I thought I was the lyrical one on this group/
>
> On 21 Jun 2013, at 13:50, daveyray913 wrote:
>
> > " …didn't mean you fucked your mother" Ha! So glad I misinterpreted
> > that.
> > You are right of course. I'm married to one of those `women' things.
> > And they can be quite hysterical at times (no offense to any ladies
> > on this forum).
> > If my Little Casio SK-1 wasn't in such rough shape, I'd consider
> > circuit-bending that! It is a fun & cheap little toy, and it was my
> > very 1st keyboard when I was 13-ish.
> >
> > I started digging into the Poly last night. I found some very
> > interesting things inside: A couple moth cocoons, a 5 cent nickel
> > (now THAT could have cause serious short circuits), and a tiny round
> > wad of duct tape. Why? From its shape I guess it was wadded up and
> > put into a rubber boot of one of the key contacts that was no longer
> > depressing far enough? I took it in to have the joystick repaired
> > once; it had to be the service tech that did that, it wasn't me.
> >
> > I think I can move the patient out of ICU and into the recovery
> > ward. I did the isopropyl and cotton swab trick and got all the key
> > contacts working again. I ordered 4 replacement keys and also fixed
> > a crackling/misfiring ¼" output jack with a little solder.
> >
> > I think it's almost time to order me a Hawk800 kit.
> >
> > Exciting!
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > no I didn't mean you fucked your mother I meant ALL women are
> > > Hysterical...
> > > Regarding the SK1,Casio always makes great gear,I used to have one
> > > myself,i love the drum sounds in that (like i love the Vl-Tone) and
> > > the 4/6/8-bit sampling is interesting my first sampler then another
> > > home keyboard Yamaha VSS-100 I think (crap) then an Akai X7000 great
> > > but used bloody 2.8inch quickdisks as storage and had a stupid way
> > of
> > > giving it 6 seperate out's,was a 13 pin din to 6 jacks,nightmare to
> > > solder up and kept needing repairing.
> > >
> > > The Poly800 is worth bothering with,its real analogue not virtual
> > and
> > > has as I have said a million times before you can tell the
> > difference.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 Jun 2013, at 17:28, daveyray913 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ha, are you getting cheeky with me mate? I may be misinterpreting.
> > > >
> > > > Yea, I'm pretty certain it was my mother, not my girlfriend. Greek
> > > > king of Thebes, Oedipus, I am not.
> > > >
> > > > The gear on the floor was drown in black, sooty, very hot water
> > for
> > > > over 2 hours...it had no hope of functioning ever again, and
> > besides
> > > > the prolonged heat melted part of the DX11.
> > > > Trust me, I know dead when I see it. I do still have one other
> > item
> > > > that survived even though it melted a bit.. a Casio SK-1 …still
> > > > works too.
> > > >
> > > > It's pretty obvious which keys were broken; they were sticking
> > up at
> > > > Picasso-esque odd angles.
> > > >
> > > > And besides, this all happened a long time ago, I just happen to
> > > > still have my poly800 and recently have been feeling nostalgic
> > > > enough to try and fix it.
> > > >
> > > > "...And this is where I met the leprechaun... He told me to burn
> > > > things."
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hysterical mother,Hysterical girlfriend take your pick..
> > > > > Yeah I'd def want to see a big photo of a firemans boot on
> > your Poly
> > > > > 800 then we could tell which bit might be broken.
> > > > > The moral of this story is:- don't burn your house down.
> > > > >
> > > > > The stuff that got wet,should actually function once dryed out
> > > > > especially that DX11 which only got slightly wet,ok yiou might
> > > > have to
> > > > > do some cleaning up ,contacts erc but should be ok I'd guess
> > most of
> > > > > your stuff is DC ? If so they might work if dryed out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 20 Jun 2013, at 15:37, daveyray913 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Luckily the Poly was in a 1/2 exposed basement studio. I don't
> > > > think
> > > > > > the smoke hit it too hard. It was tossed about 8' out a near
> > > > ground
> > > > > > level window, so it was more of a hard slide than a fall I'm
> > > > > > guessing. (I didn't see, I was busy on the street trying to
> > calm
> > > > my
> > > > > > hysterical mother) Then...it was kicked/stomped on by
> > fireman I
> > > > > > guess to get it out of the way(BTW: all we Americans are ham-
> > > > fisted,
> > > > > > that goes w/o saying :) ) It did get a little wet. Anything I
> > > > had on
> > > > > > the floor /leaning on a wall i.e.: a DX11, a drum machine, a
> > > > couple
> > > > > > amps, a few effects pedals, etc. were in a foot+ of water and
> > > > > > trashed. I did my best to clean up the few items that
> > survived the
> > > > > > fire the next day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for all the assistance. Nothing left now then to
> > decide on
> > > > > > which mod path to take once I have it fully operational. After
> > > > > > everyone's assistance I guess I'm not bothering with the
> > tape load
> > > > > > function much longer, I'll make one more effort with the
> > > > suggestions
> > > > > > given, then move on. Besides, I'm still battling getting the
> > keys
> > > > > > fixed, and contacts cleaned etc. It will live again by golly!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll photo document my progress for posterity and keep anyone
> > > > who's
> > > > > > interested posted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for all the assistance!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins
> > > > > > <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There's a mod that you can do that puts an EX800 ROM "on
> > top" of
> > > > > > the original Poly ROM. And you use a switch to flip from one
> > or
> > > > the
> > > > > > other ROM's. This allows you to keep all of your Poly-800
> > joystick
> > > > > > goodness etc while also getting the sysex ability when you
> > need
> > > > it.
> > > > > > You power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your
> > > > sysex.
> > > > > > Then power off, flip the ROM select switch, power on, do your
> > > > > > keyboard, joystick thing. Not a bad idea at all, for its time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The biggest problem with fires is the awful damage that
> > > > happens if
> > > > > > electronic stuff is exposed to thick acrid smoke. Did your
> > Poly
> > > > get
> > > > > > affected by the smoke or was it the fall from a great height
> > that
> > > > > > messed it up? If it's smoke damage then I would say it's a
> > miracle
> > > > > > the dang thing still works at all. And fixing smoke gunge
> > covered
> > > > > > PCB's and parts is a professional job unless you like
> > dipping your
> > > > > > hands in solvents and other carcinogenic stuff. Soap and water
> > > > and a
> > > > > > long drying time might be worth the trouble.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The tape switch problem you have is NOT the reason you can't
> > > > get a
> > > > > > tape dump to load properly. As long as you can get the thing
> > into
> > > > > > Tape mode (which you can) and it stays that way for the
> > duration
> > > > of
> > > > > > your dump, then the switch is good enough. Get some de-oxit
> > and
> > > > most
> > > > > > likely you'll find your tape switch will be fine after some
> > de-
> > > > oxit
> > > > > > treatment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Poly-800 schematics (found in the download section of
> > this
> > > > > > group) are good enough for the EX-800. Especially with
> > respect to
> > > > > > the tape circuit section, they're identical.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, the HAWK would fix your tape problem because the HAWK
> > has
> > > > no
> > > > > > tape functions at all. They are all replaced with sysex and
> > MIDI
> > > > CC
> > > > > > implementation. I do agree that you ought to try to
> > stabilize your
> > > > > > patient before you try to transplant a HAWK into it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your Poly is functioning which tells me it's not
> > "knackered".
> > > > > > Banged up a bit sure, who wouldn't be after a multistory throw
> > > > by a
> > > > > > ham fisted American firemen!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I would say, give your patient some more TLC. Don't
> > sweat the
> > > > > > tape problem too much. And if you can make her reliable then
> > > > maybe a
> > > > > > HAWK brain transplant might be worthwhile.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: daveyray913 <sinisterthewicked@>
> > > > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:30 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: New Member: (constant Load ERR.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > Ya, she's in rough shape, but I'm not quite ready to give
> > up.
> > > > > > After I cleaned it up this week and started fixing the broken
> > > > > > keys... it doenst look TOO bad. The couple patches I manually
> > > > > > programed are loud and clear and sound good...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really want is to MOD it, make it useful in my band
> > as a
> > > > > > gimmicky piece of nostalgia, but I'm nervous installing Hawk
> > > > into a
> > > > > > 'knackered' 'board as you put it. (I love your vernacular
> > btw).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I guess HAWK800 would fix the problem too...with it's
> > much
> > > > > > improved Midi Sysex? I could forget about the tape interface/
> > > > lack of
> > > > > > Mk1 sysex altogether.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Silly question: Where do I aquire an EX-800 ROM? & Wouldnt I
> > > > lose
> > > > > > Joystick control?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Decisions, decisions....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce
> > <gordon@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:08:25PM -0000, daveyray913
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm also installing a dedicated memory battery on board,
> > > > SO I
> > > > > > can at least manually load patches and not worry about
> > losing them
> > > > > > when the C batteries fail.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Didn't you say the keyboard was knackered? Why not just
> > bung
> > > > an
> > > > > > EX800 ROM in and load them over MIDI?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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