Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

i must really be the only person having a shitty time here.

this kit sucks.

i miss my old poly 800.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 07:12:50AM -0000, jcmayer3000 wrote:
> i must really be the only person having a shitty time here.
> 
> this kit sucks.
> 
> i miss my old poly 800.

Instead of moaning about it, why not try posting a description of the problem
you're having?  You could also include a bit of information about what you're
seeing and what you expect to see, and what you've tried to diagnose the
problem.

We aren't psychics.

-- 
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

Here's the problem:

I'm on the current 1.5b boards, which you most likely do not have.  They feature a seemingly different orientation for the .001uF capacitors, and the PDF instructions do not give the least bit of clue as to where they should go.

Also, the documentation on the Hawk is absolutely terrible.  There is also seemingly nowhere to even get some basic patches for testing.

This whole experience has been a circus.  Never in my life.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, gordon@... wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 07:12:50AM -0000, jcmayer3000 wrote:
> > i must really be the only person having a shitty time here.
> > 
> > this kit sucks.
> > 
> > i miss my old poly 800.
> 
> Instead of moaning about it, why not try posting a description of the problem
> you're having?  You could also include a bit of information about what you're
> seeing and what you expect to see, and what you've tried to diagnose the
> problem.
> 
> We aren't psychics.
> 
> -- 
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>

Then just give it to someone who actually can appreciate it.

Manu

On 10/7/2012 10:52 AM, jcmayer3000 wrote:
> Here's the problem:
>
> I'm on the current 1.5b boards, which you most likely do not have.  They feature a seemingly different orientation for the .001uF capacitors, and the PDF instructions do not give the least bit of clue as to where they should go.
>
> Also, the documentation on the Hawk is absolutely terrible.  There is also seemingly nowhere to even get some basic patches for testing.
>
> This whole experience has been a circus.  Never in my life.
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, gordon@... wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 07:12:50AM -0000, jcmayer3000 wrote:
>>> i must really be the only person having a shitty time here.
>>>
>>> this kit sucks.
>>>
>>> i miss my old poly 800.
>>
>> Instead of moaning about it, why not try posting a description of the problem
>> you're having?  You could also include a bit of information about what you're
>> seeing and what you expect to see, and what you've tried to diagnose the
>> problem.
>>
>> We aren't psychics.
>>
>> --
>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Feel free to upload into the files section any sysex dumps and tape dumps of patches that you may have but please discuss (with the entire group) the posting of other files *before* posting them. This helps us to keep redundant information from showing up everywhere and also allows us to constantly improve the format and structure of the documentation. We talk about the HAWK-800 quite a bit but we also discuss and help owners of the original Poly-800 models. So don't be shy if you haven't got the HAWK-800.Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "jcmayer3000" <johnnymayer@...> wrote:
>
There is also seemingly nowhere to even get some basic patches for testing.<


Read the documentation again.. there is a set of approx. 30 patches residing in the boot ROM that you can do a call for transfer to a patch bank.


..and try to be a little more patient with Mike, please.  This can be a bit frustrating at times because he is a one man operation here, not a full biz.
We ALL had to be extra patient to receive our boards.. yes, the documentation has some incomplete areas.. but good God!  The man spent countless hours not only developing this kit/coding, but also all the documentation he has posted up.

We all would like to help you out, but I think this all got started on the wrong foot with the profanity and name calling.

The only difference is one capacitor location. Everything else, and I mean EVERYTHING, is the same from board 1.5 to 1.5b.

Most people have not had issues with the instructions, actually quite the opposite, most Poly enthusiasts have been complimentary.

But more than that, at least do me the courtesy of allowing me to help you before you whinge and whine like a spoiled rotten little brat.I've been waiting five years for a complete utter twat customer to come along and it looks like you might be it. That is, unless you manage to redeem yourself by re-engaging Internet etiquette 101. But first you will have to find the etiquette circuits somewhere inside your vacuous mind. Despite strong evidence suggesting otherwise, I can only assume that your brain is still present and functioning within your cranium.

Pondering this encounter further, what makes me laugh even harder at your total fail broadcasting your incompetence to the group here; is that you don't even bother to email a direct question to me which is precisely what it says to do in the instructions. So at the most basic level you have failed the quintessentially stupid test for customer behavior which is the read the instructions and follow them!

Now, I can understand that you may be close to popping an aneurysm soon so please try to calm down, get a grip on yourself and do indulge everyone here as to why you think the HAWK sucks so bad. Since you did actually get it working in your Poly - right?

Mike



________________________________
 From: jcmayer3000 <johnnymayer@...>
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:52 AM
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: (unknown)
 

  
Here's the problem:

I'm on the current 1.5b boards, which you most likely do not have.  They feature a seemingly different orientation for the .001uF capacitors, and the PDF instructions do not give the least bit of clue as to where they should go.

Also, the documentation on the Hawk is absolutely terrible.  There is also seemingly nowhere to even get some basic patches for testing.

This whole experience has been a circus.  Never in my life.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, gordon@... wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 07:12:50AM -0000, jcmayer3000 wrote:
> > i must really be the only person having a shitty time here.
> > 
> > this kit sucks.
> > 
> > i miss my old poly 800.
> 
> Instead of moaning about it, why not try posting a description of the problem
> you're having?  You could also include a bit of information about what you're
> seeing and what you expect to see, and what you've tried to diagnose the
> problem.
> 
> We aren't psychics.
> 
> -- 
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>

Greetings everyone!

   First off:  Great come back mike!  I don't think I've had a good laugh like this since some boob made an impatient stink on the yahoo DX7 group, and resulted in the whole group contributing to a set of patches called the "grey hair set". (It was because the frustrated individual claimed he was getting grey hair trying to get a certain sound, and he couldn't be bothered to lean FM synthesis)  :) lol...

  Secondly: I wanted to maybe help.... Now, I don't expect anyone to listen or believe what I have to say. Please do your own research on this. Just like you were taught in school; gather all data possible, then make a hypothesis. So , here it is....

  I've got the soap box out now, so anyone who doesn't want to read on, STOP NOW AND DELETE THIS MESSAGE!


                         You have been warned!


  Have you or anyone you know been feeling uneasy, jittery, nervous, or just plain unsatisfied? An almost electrical overloading feeling in your body?

  Watching the news and seeing general stupidity and mayhem seems to be at an all time high. I could go on to site specific examples, but I think you know what I'm seeing out there. 

  The info I can present here should be explored:

     The sun is producing more solar flares now than in recent years. These flares are messing with the electromagnetic field of the earth. 

 I have been watching this closely for the last couple of months, and the last two weeks, we've had practically non-stop class"M" activity being hurled at the earth. As I write this there is one of the biggest sun spots, of late, pointed directly at earth. Scientists are waiting for it to burst.  

  Now, Class "M" flares are not to bad, generally. But I have noticed my internet and cell phone go out of service during these flares. Class"X" flares are what scientist fear to be destructive.

 Here is where I get my info:

          www.spaceweather.com

 Check it out. Learn all you can about it. Fascinating stuff!

  For instance: this is Today's forecast 

FLARE          0-24 hr      24-48 hr
CLASS M        80 %           80 %
CLASS X        15 %           15 %

 The human body has capacitance and, can be thought of as a resistor(specially when I'm circuit bending my favorite toy noise maker).

  Would it be too much to say that the electromagnetic radiation from the sun could, and is affecting cognitive functioning? 

  To me, these quick outbursts and general lack of patience are a sign, of being off balance, due to a stimulus beyond means of escape.
I blame the solar flares for a lot of SHIT happening out there.(not everything, just *some* inexplicable SHIT)  

  Yes, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, to our fellow poly-atomaHawk-800 enthusiast. (This is your way out of shame. You can apologize and blame the solar flares.) He/She/It is just a normal bloke/dude/dudette/? who has just been dealing with life's quandary's and was looking for relief by snuggling up with a good 
quasi-self-modded synthesizer and blowing up some shitty speakers.  
I do that all the time. How painful it is to be stopped in that procedure eh?    
 
 :D

 For myself, I am finding, at times, it's harder to be still and have peace.  For others its normal because of watching too much TV, popping pharmaceuticals, eating garbage, and anything else that dulls the sensitivity of this wonderful instrument that lets us experience the gift of life.

   The solution? Breathe deep, think deep, drink lots of pure water, don't forget your etiquette, stick your foot into woo woo land, and relax as you learn to meditate properly. There is no escaping celestial activity.

   _________________________________________________________

  Ok, the soap box is gone. I went there. Don't know if I should have but oh well. Agree or disagree, I don't care. I'm only in charge of myself. I do have hope for the rest though.

   Blessings,
          J.

P.S.(To everyone) All the information and miss-information is available. Do your own frickin research, Turd!


xD...lmaof



--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:

>
> The only difference is one capacitor location. Everything else, and I mean EVERYTHING, is the same from board 1.5 to 1.5b.
> 
> Most people have not had issues with the instructions, actually quite the opposite, most Poly enthusiasts have been complimentary.
> 
> But more than that, at least do me the courtesy of allowing me to help you before you whinge and whine like a spoiled rotten little brat.I've been waiting five years for a complete utter twat customer to come along and it looks like you might be it. That is, unless you manage to redeem yourself by re-engaging Internet etiquette 101. But first you will have to find the etiquette circuits somewhere inside your vacuous mind. Despite strong evidence suggesting otherwise, I can only assume that your brain is still present and functioning within your cranium.
> 
> Pondering this encounter further, what makes me laugh even harder at your total fail broadcasting your incompetence to the group here; is that you don't even bother to email a direct question to me which is precisely what it says to do in the instructions. So at the most basic level you have failed the quintessentially stupid test for customer behavior which is the read the instructions and follow them!
> 
> Now, I can understand that you may be close to popping an aneurysm soon so please try to calm down, get a grip on yourself and do indulge everyone here as to why you think the HAWK sucks so bad. Since you did actually get it working in your Poly - right?
> 
> Mike
> 
>

Well, since this group is so quiet lately, and since your email is so wildly off topic, and since I also am an amateur astronomer; I thoroughly enjoyed your soap box rant that firmly places you in the company along with others that wear tin foil hats but...

Since I am skeptical of any hard line position, I will give you the benefit of the doubt by saying that the Sun probably could actually influence the behavior of humans and who am I to condemn your theory without considering the possibility.

I would though recommend that you look up "The Carrington Event" and ponder just how bad the world will be when the next one of those happens. But also, you should ponder that no one went stark raving mad when that event occurred. So the causal connection of solar flares and unhappy HAWK customers is extremely tenuous and you will certainly have to work hard to provide more evidence before I will change my customer support hours to match Solar activity. Can you imagine how (un)happy HAWK customers will be when I refer them to http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/50 (which is the ACCURATE sun spot count, unlike spaceweather.com) telling them that I can't help them with their capacitor positions until we have another blank sun?(!)


Much more likely, my customer John is affected by one or more of these:

Bipolar disorder
Substance abuse
Bad trip
Marital problems

Youthful exuberance
Character flaws
Curmudgeonly
Ornery
Stupid
Refuses to wear tin foil hat


Now since I myself suffer from most if not all of the above from time to time, I am certainly in no position to condemn or otherwise impugn John in any way for his outburst and utterly erratic behavior. In fact, I sincerely hope that John is OK because, to be honest, his outburst followed by total silence is slightly worrying.
Would John please tell us all what was so wrong with the HAWK? I think we would all like to know.

Cheers,

Mike



________________________________
 From: J. <lovgh2000@...>
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:13 PM
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: (unknown) or is it?
 

  
Greetings everyone!

First off:  Great come back mike!  I don't think I've had a good laugh like this since some boob made an impatient stink on the yahoo DX7 group, and resulted in the whole group contributing to a set of patches called the "grey hair set". (It was because the frustrated individual claimed he was getting grey hair trying to get a certain sound, and he couldn't be bothered to lean FM synthesis)  :) lol...

Secondly: I wanted to maybe help.... Now, I don't expect anyone to listen or believe what I have to say. Please do your own research on this. Just like you were taught in school; gather all data possible, then make a hypothesis. So , here it is....

I've got the soap box out now, so anyone who doesn't want to read on, STOP NOW AND DELETE THIS MESSAGE!

You have been warned!

Have you or anyone you know been feeling uneasy, jittery, nervous, or just plain unsatisfied? An almost electrical overloading feeling in your body?

Watching the news and seeing general stupidity and mayhem seems to be at an all time high. I could go on to site specific examples, but I think you know what I'm seeing out there. 

The info I can present here should be explored:

The sun is producing more solar flares now than in recent years. These flares are messing with the electromagnetic field of the earth. 

I have been watching this closely for the last couple of months, and the last two weeks, we've had practically non-stop class"M" activity being hurled at the earth. As I write this there is one of the biggest sun spots, of late, pointed directly at earth. Scientists are waiting for it to burst. 

Now, Class "M" flares are not to bad, generally. But I have noticed my internet and cell phone go out of service during these flares. Class"X" flares are what scientist fear to be destructive.

Here is where I get my info:

www.spaceweather.com

Check it out. Learn all you can about it. Fascinating stuff!

For instance: this is Today's forecast 

FLARE          0-24 hr      24-48 hr
CLASS M        80 %           80 %
CLASS X        15 %           15 %

The human body has capacitance and, can be thought of as a resistor(specially when I'm circuit bending my favorite toy noise maker).

Would it be too much to say that the electromagnetic radiation from the sun could, and is affecting cognitive functioning? 

To me, these quick outbursts and general lack of patience are a sign, of being off balance, due to a stimulus beyond means of escape.
I blame the solar flares for a lot of SHIT happening out there.(not everything, just *some* inexplicable SHIT) 

Yes, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, to our fellow poly-atomaHawk-800 enthusiast. (This is your way out of shame. You can apologize and blame the solar flares.) He/She/It is just a normal bloke/dude/dudette/? who has just been dealing with life's quandary's and was looking for relief by snuggling up with a good 
quasi-self-modded synthesizer and blowing up some shitty speakers. 
I do that all the time. How painful it is to be stopped in that procedure eh? 

:D

For myself, I am finding, at times, it's harder to be still and have peace.  For others its normal because of watching too much TV, popping pharmaceuticals, eating garbage, and anything else that dulls the sensitivity of this wonderful instrument that lets us experience the gift of life.

The solution? Breathe deep, think deep, drink lots of pure water, don't forget your etiquette, stick your foot into woo woo land, and relax as you learn to meditate properly. There is no escaping celestial activity.

_________________________________________________________

Ok, the soap box is gone. I went there. Don't know if I should have but oh well. Agree or disagree, I don't care. I'm only in charge of myself. I do have hope for the rest though.

Blessings,
J.

P.S.(To everyone) All the information and miss-information is available. Do your own frickin research, Turd!

xD...lmaof

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:

>
> The only difference is one capacitor location. Everything else, and I mean EVERYTHING, is the same from board 1.5 to 1.5b.
> 
> Most people have not had issues with the instructions, actually quite the opposite, most Poly enthusiasts have been complimentary.
> 
> But more than that, at least do me the courtesy of allowing me to help you before you whinge and whine like a spoiled rotten little brat.I've been waiting five years for a complete utter twat customer to come along and it looks like you might be it. That is, unless you manage to redeem yourself by re-engaging Internet etiquette 101. But first you will have to find the etiquette circuits somewhere inside your vacuous mind. Despite strong evidence suggesting otherwise, I can only assume that your brain is still present and functioning within your cranium.
> 
> Pondering this encounter further, what makes me laugh even harder at your total fail broadcasting your incompetence to the group here; is that you don't even bother to email a direct question to me which is precisely what it says to do in the instructions. So at the most basic level you have failed the quintessentially stupid test for customer behavior which is the read the instructions and follow them!
> 
> Now, I can understand that you may be close to popping an aneurysm soon so please try to calm down, get a grip on yourself and do indulge everyone here as to why you think the HAWK sucks so bad. Since you did actually get it working in your Poly - right?
> 
> Mike
> 
>

I agree with your statements and don't regard solar flare activity as 
pseudo-science. If all matter is basically vibration and frequency, if our brains 
are essentially electro-chemical organisms susceptible to damage from cell 
phones, then it is entirely possible we are affected by solar flares. What 
this goober was suffering from was conditioning from 30 second newsbites and 
fastfood expectations of results. We expect that since technology  is so 
advanced we no longer need to learn the fundamentals. In fact the reverse is 
true. Advances in technology will continue to accelerate resulting in 
convergence and overlap of information. We no longer repair electronic devices and 
modules, we replace them because it's faster and cheaper and doesn't require 
a degree in EE. The mountains of discarded toys and devices is what fueled 
circuit bending. The process involves actually opening these devices up and 
ANALYZING the circuits and the theory behind it. In America we can't be 
bothered to mediate for 30 minutes when in fact this what we need to do if we 
expect to preserve our sanity.

:D

  Yep. This is what my tin foil hat looks like except I colored in some hair, side burns, and a stylish steampunk goatee!

http://www.google-watch.org/gifs/gootech.gif

:D


  Yes it seems there are different ways to count sunspots, but to me the outcome is the same. 

  The difference between The Carrington Event and now is enormous. Consider all the technology that could go out now. The populous is far greater too. People would freak out just not being able to get into their bloody bank accounts regardless of the electromagnetic effect to the body. 

"Fear is the Mind killer"(Dune), one of my fav movies....

"People are dumb panicky animals" (Men in Black)...

  Oh, I could go on and on. I'm not going to.

 Truth is, I was just soap-boxing to; 
     A. Maybe get people to think more. (never hurts to try)
     B. Help save some face for our fellow synth nut.

  Seriously, I make mistakes. I greatly appreciate when I get some help or insight to help me own up to those mishaps. It may be hard at first, but it takes a lot of strength to admit to being in the wrong.

 My example:  I play disc golf. Some times I throw a really bad drive, approach, or put. Hit a tree, rock, pond, etc...
I learned to say out loud, "that's my disc"!
 You see, when I immediately own what I've done, the energy is cleared and doesn't get a chance to build up. If I don't OWN it and start thinking, "shit, now i really have to make this shot to get par!", the pressure builds and I play worse and worse.  Snowballing into rage. So, now I keep my game cool and it works out.

  I agree. We are not condemning here. We are supporting.

I'm over it already. This topic is dead.

 Also, A new video from you would be great! you got a cool accent.

I'm off the program some new patches for the atomahawk, and maybe I'll post them later..

      Peace out Turds!

             J.

xD







  
--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:

>
> Well, since this group is so quiet lately, and since your email is so wildly off topic, and since I also am an amateur astronomer; I thoroughly enjoyed your soap box rant that firmly places you in the company along with others that wear tin foil hats but...
> 
> Since I am skeptical of any hard line position, I will give you the benefit of the doubt by saying that the Sun probably could actually influence the behavior of humans and who am I to condemn your theory without considering the possibility.
> 
> I would though recommend that you look up "The Carrington Event" and ponder just how bad the world will be when the next one of those happens. But also, you should ponder that no one went stark raving mad when that event occurred. So the causal connection of solar flares and unhappy HAWK customers is extremely tenuous and you will certainly have to work hard to provide more evidence before I will change my customer support hours to match Solar activity. Can you imagine how (un)happy HAWK customers will be when I refer them to http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/50 (which is the ACCURATE sun spot count, unlike spaceweather.com) telling them that I can't help them with their capacitor positions until we have another blank sun?(!)
> 
> 
> Much more likely, my customer John is affected by one or more of these:
> 
> Bipolar disorder
> Substance abuse
> Bad trip
> Marital problems
> 
> Youthful exuberance
> Character flaws
> Curmudgeonly
> Ornery
> Stupid
> Refuses to wear tin foil hat
> 
> 
> Now since I myself suffer from most if not all of the above from time to time, I am certainly in no position to condemn or otherwise impugn John in any way for his outburst and utterly erratic behavior. In fact, I sincerely hope that John is OK because, to be honest, his outburst followed by total silence is slightly worrying.
> Would John please tell us all what was so wrong with the HAWK? I think we would all like to know.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>