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VCF Drift Problem

VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by Bill Meirelles

Hi folks,

It started yesterday, randon vcf positions as if it has an S&H LFO at the CV input of the VCF, I double checked the wiring and tried to disconnect all the pcb connectors and reconnect them several times, tried to move the wiring while the synth is playing to, I just can't find it. My guess is I should start looking for a broken solder and if I can't find any I should recap the filter circuit, am I right?

Thanks in advance,
Gabriel Rodrigues

Re: [korgpolyex] VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by Gordon JC Pearce

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:04:26 -0000
"Bill Meirelles" <billmeirelles@...> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> It started yesterday, randon vcf positions as if it has an S&H LFO at the CV input of the VCF, I double checked the wiring and tried to disconnect all the pcb connectors and reconnect them several times, tried to move the wiring while the synth is playing to, I just can't find it. My guess is I should start looking for a broken solder and if I can't find any I should recap the filter circuit, am I right?

Only if you plan to scrap it afterwards.

Never, ever "recap" equipment.

If you find in the course of your investigations that some capacitors have failed, by all means replace them - and if you find that two of the six voices have the same capacitor faulty you may as well do the other four - but do not just go randomly ripping components out and changing them. That's a great way to ruin your gear.

Have you any reason to suspect the capacitors are in any way faulty?

Gordon MM0YEQ

Re: [korgpolyex] VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

I need to do some more testing but I belive the problem only apear when the
filter is in 24dB position and sound like if it is switching from 24dB to 18dB,
now I know there's no 18dB VCF on a poly 800 but sounds like it, maybe a
dying cap.

Em 27/07/2011 16:33, Gordon JC Pearce < gordon@... > escreveu:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:04:26 -0000
"Bill Meirelles" <billmeirelles@...> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> It started yesterday, randon vcf positions as if it has an S&H LFO at the CV input of the VCF, I double checked the wiring and tried to disconnect all the pcb connectors and reconnect them several times, tried to move the wiring while the synth is playing to, I just can't find it. My guess is I should start looking for a broken solder and if I can't find any I should recap the filter circuit, am I right?

Only if you plan to scrap it afterwards.

Never, ever "recap" equipment.

If you find in the course of your investigations that some capacitors have failed, by all means replace them - and if you find that two of the six voices have the same capacitor faulty you may as well do the other four - but do not just go randomly ripping components out and changing them. That's a great way to ruin your gear.

Have you any reason to suspect the capacitors are in any way faulty?

Gordon MM0YEQ


Re: [korgpolyex] VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Now I can here it's happenig when in 12dB too, looks more like the voltage is
changing just like a rando LFO will do but it comes a go, you never know when.
Can be a bad cap, a broken solder or? Any ideas?

Em 27/07/2011 16:33, Gordon JC Pearce < gordon@... > escreveu:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:04:26 -0000
"Bill Meirelles" <billmeirelles@...> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> It started yesterday, randon vcf positions as if it has an S&H LFO at the CV input of the VCF, I double checked the wiring and tried to disconnect all the pcb connectors and reconnect them several times, tried to move the wiring while the synth is playing to, I just can't find it. My guess is I should start looking for a broken solder and if I can't find any I should recap the filter circuit, am I right?

Only if you plan to scrap it afterwards.

Never, ever "recap" equipment.

If you find in the course of your investigations that some capacitors have failed, by all means replace them - and if you find that two of the six voices have the same capacitor faulty you may as well do the other four - but do not just go randomly ripping components out and changing them. That's a great way to ruin your gear.

Have you any reason to suspect the capacitors are in any way faulty?

Gordon MM0YEQ


Re: VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by 7yash

Is it actually drifting or rather switching abruptly?

I had a similar problem yesterday and it was one of the contacts of the 12dB/24dB switch which was coming loose. Re-soldering it fixed the issue.

Re: [korgpolyex] Re: VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Usually switching abruptly but to diferent values, sometime sounds more like drifting.
I'll double check the switch, thanks


Em 27/07/2011 17:34, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Is it actually drifting or rather switching abruptly?

I had a similar problem yesterday and it was one of the contacts of the 12dB/24dB switch which was coming loose. Re-soldering it fixed the issue.


Re: [korgpolyex] Re: VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

You point me to right direction, it looks like it's a bad switch after all,
I'll swap it for a new one and see what happens, many thanks.


Em 27/07/2011 17:34, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Is it actually drifting or rather switching abruptly?

I had a similar problem yesterday and it was one of the contacts of the 12dB/24dB switch which was coming loose. Re-soldering it fixed the issue.


Re: [korgpolyex] Re: VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

False alarm, I swapped the switch and the problem still there...


Em 27/07/2011 17:34, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Is it actually drifting or rather switching abruptly?

I had a similar problem yesterday and it was one of the contacts of the 12dB/24dB switch which was coming loose. Re-soldering it fixed the issue.


Re: [korgpolyex] VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by Gordon JC Pearce

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:56:25 -0300
billmeirelles@... wrote:

>
>
> Now I can here it's happenig when in 12dB too, looks more like the voltage is
> changing just like a rando LFO will do but it comes a go, you never know when.
> Can be a bad cap, a broken solder or? Any ideas?

Stop guessing and start testing. Begin at the VCF CV input and work back. Check to see that if you hold a key with the VCF EG amount set to minimum that it actually holds a steady voltage.

The joysticks seem to lose their dead zone and go noisy. This makes the pitch bend, VCF mod and VCO mod go apeshit.

--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@...>

Re: [korgpolyex] VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

I uploaded a sample here:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/korgpolyex/files/5%29%20Miscellanoues/


Em 27/07/2011 19:06, Gordon JC Pearce < gordon@... > escreveu:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:56:25 -0300
billmeirelles@... wrote:

>
>
> Now I can here it's happenig when in 12dB too, looks more like the voltage is
> changing just like a rando LFO will do but it comes a go, you never know when.
> Can be a bad cap, a broken solder or? Any ideas?

Stop guessing and start testing. Begin at the VCF CV input and work back. Check to see that if you hold a key with the VCF EG amount set to minimum that it actually holds a steady voltage.

The joysticks seem to lose their dead zone and go noisy. This makes the pitch bend, VCF mod and VCO mod go apeshit.

--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@...>


Re: [korgpolyex] VCF Drift Problem

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Hi Gordon,

I just tested it with the EG INT set to 0, same results.
My Poly has a external CV IN for the VCF FREQ but it
has a switch wich turns both positive and negative CV
off, so when it's switched off you can say that it's
the same as it has no external input at all, with no
cables connected to the input, still the same results.
I've done all the mods 4 months a go and was using
the Poly all the time with no problem, it started to
act strange yesterday.
Please have a listen to the sample I've uploaded.

Thanks for all your help,
Gabriel Rodrigues

Em 27/07/2011 19:06, Gordon JC Pearce < gordon@... > escreveu:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:56:25 -0300
billmeirelles@... wrote:

>
>
> Now I can here it's happenig when in 12dB too, looks more like the voltage is
> changing just like a rando LFO will do but it comes a go, you never know when.
> Can be a bad cap, a broken solder or? Any ideas?

Stop guessing and start testing. Begin at the VCF CV input and work back. Check to see that if you hold a key with the VCF EG amount set to minimum that it actually holds a steady voltage.

The joysticks seem to lose their dead zone and go noisy. This makes the pitch bend, VCF mod and VCO mod go apeshit.

--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ <gordonjcp@...>


Re: VCF Drift Problem

2011-08-03 by 7yash

Have you checked/disabled the FM-800 to see if that gave anything?

Re: [korgpolyex] Re: VCF Drift Problem

2011-08-04 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Not yet, but I'll try this one too...


Em 03/08/2011 20:33, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Have you checked/disabled the FM-800 to see if that gave anything?