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FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by 7yash

Here is my first test with the FM-800 mod. Needless to say that after the Moog Slayer and 12dB mod, this is supremely interesting as a simple way to extend the timbral capabilities of this 80's synth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcUj3xzt3YE

The sounds you can get with the FM mod, in cooperation with the Moog Slayer mods are fantastic as they are: lots of resonant blips and growls and many other effects. It's best used as either a source of new timbre when arpeggiating in mono mode (or full-octave poly) or as special effects. Or you can also use it as a type of distortion. Some fifths sound great too.

Now, the questions are:

1. Can this FM pot mod be made to track the keyboard so that chord plays are not that dissonant?

2. What would be necessary to rewire this mod so that I could use it with either DCO2 or the internal noise/External Audio Mod as modulation inputs? Is a simple multi-way switch enough or there needs to be other parts?

I am also interested in the particulars of this mod, i.e. the details by which this DCO1 FM effect is realized. It will help me understand more of the schematics and the architecture.

Re: [korgpolyex] FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Audio input is the easiest way to acheive this, you will need a rectified voltage doubler
with the positive output connected to the middle terminal of the CUTOFF pot you have
installed for the MOOG SLAYER mod. You certainly could use another pot to control
the amount of the external audio modulation and it can be done either by using a
switch to select the audio input destination (VCF AUDIO IN or VCF MODULATION)
or you can add a second audio input exclusively for modulation. Now don't try
to split the same signal or the modulation will suffer with severe voltage drop,
use a stereo input instead. Schematics for a rectified voltage doubler can be found
here: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14328&highlight=voltage+doubler
It's easier to use a external noise source fo either VCF AUDIO IN and VCF MODULATION.
About FM keyboard track I believe it is already tracking the first voice of DCO1 using pin 7
of IC4 , first voice of DCO2 should be at pin 7 of IC5, the problem is the Poly 800 has
only 1 VCF for all the voices so if you play more than 1 note at the same time it
will keep FM at the first note rate.

My Poly 800 II have a rectified voltage doubler for CV input already installed but
I use it for inputing LFOs from Silent Way, it's basically a VCF CV IN with a voltage
doubler, I never tried to use it as an envelope follower of the audio input source
but I'll give it a try today when I get to the studio, in theory it should work like a
champ.

PS: Take care with the level of voltage you send in the VCF, a regular CV source
should never be connected to the voltage doubler as the maximum voltage the
VCF can take is +8V, the voltage doubler circuit should give you a 0 to +5V slope
using a regular audio interface.

Em 22/07/2011 06:23, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Here is my first test with the FM-800 mod. Needless to say that after the Moog Slayer and 12dB mod, this is supremely interesting as a simple way to extend the timbral capabilities of this 80's synth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcUj3xzt3YE

The sounds you can get with the FM mod, in cooperation with the Moog Slayer mods are fantastic as they are: lots of resonant blips and growls and many other effects. It's best used as either a source of new timbre when arpeggiating in mono mode (or full-octave poly) or as special effects. Or you can also use it as a type of distortion. Some fifths sound great too.

Now, the questions are:

1. Can this FM pot mod be made to track the keyboard so that chord plays are not that dissonant?

2. What would be necessary to rewire this mod so that I could use it with either DCO2 or the internal noise/External Audio Mod as modulation inputs? Is a simple multi-way switch enough or there needs to be other parts?

I am also interested in the particulars of this mod, i.e. the details by which this DCO1 FM effect is realized. It will help me understand more of the schematics and the architecture.


Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by 7yash

Thanks for the detailed reply, Bill. I love this group and the helpful people like Mike and you :)

I am not sure I get everything you say since I've only just begun doing DIY mods, but maybe I should break it down into smaller, manageable parts first. So, Silent Way is on my To Do list, but it appears a jump in complexity for me with the potential of damage for now.

In the meantime, to simplify things, this is what I'd like to (and the circuitbenders.co.uk guy has done more than that): a simple switch to select between the External Audio In and the DCO1 for the FM mod input.

I've asked over there how he does his External Audio In and he chose to use the NJM2609's P 20 - Mixer Signal 2 In & P 21 Mixer Signal 1 In instead of the Noise pin hack (both work).

So assume I'm doing the External Audio In mod then I want to switch between DCO1 and this External Audio In mod for FM.

It looks to me that a two-way switch should be in order, but I am always asking because I wouldn't want to miss a protective parts and damage anything.

Re: [korgpolyex] Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

These are completely independent, you don't need a switch, you can use both
at the same time if you wish.


Em 22/07/2011 17:26, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Thanks for the detailed reply, Bill. I love this group and the helpful people like Mike and you :)

I am not sure I get everything you say since I've only just begun doing DIY mods, but maybe I should break it down into smaller, manageable parts first. So, Silent Way is on my To Do list, but it appears a jump in complexity for me with the potential of damage for now.

In the meantime, to simplify things, this is what I'd like to (and the circuitbenders.co.uk guy has done more than that): a simple switch to select between the External Audio In and the DCO1 for the FM mod input.

I've asked over there how he does his External Audio In and he chose to use the NJM2609's P 20 - Mixer Signal 2 In & P 21 Mixer Signal 1 In instead of the Noise pin hack (both work).

So assume I'm doing the External Audio In mod then I want to switch between DCO1 and this External Audio In mod for FM.

It looks to me that a two-way swi tch should be in order, but I am always asking because I wouldn't want to miss a protective parts and damage anything.


Re: [korgpolyex] Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

You don't need to, the external audio modulation for the VCF is indepent of the FM800 mod.


Em 22/07/2011 18:05, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Let me clarify: I would like to be able to use the External Audio as FM input instead of DCO1 (as in the FM-800) at will.


Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by 7yash

Ah, I think I get you now, Bill: I was thinking External Audio as "WAV" for instance into the FM Cutoff CV IN, which doesn't work, right?

Instead, I should think in terms of External CV In into the FM Cutoff CV In, is that it?

Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by 7yash

Check the Circuitbenders FM Mod here:
http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/synthmod/POLYEX.html

"FM MOD'S:

These consist of a source selection knob and an FM amount knob. Essentially VCF FM allows you to modulate the filter cutoff at audio frequencies to create all kinds of clanging cross modulation and bizarre alien splatters & sweeps. This effect works best with the resonance cranked up into self oscillation which is where the new resonance knob mod comes into its own. The source selection knob allows you to select one of four sources for the FM signal. These are DCO1, DCO2, Noise and audio input. The audio input takes its signal from before the input level knob so you can use the audio to modulate the filter cutoff but remove the actual audio signal from the mix. The source knob also has an off setting."

That's interesting.

Re: [korgpolyex] Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Exactly, you wire a connector for External VCF CV, if you add a rectifier with a voltage
double you will be able to input audio from an audio interface or any other audio source
and the rectfier will convert the audio signal in control voltages, I tried it here and it
worked but it seams to add some kind of distortion, maybe it's a side effect of the
voltage doubler, it works perfect for Silent Way but as an envelop follower it acts
strange, you could try an input that only have a rectfier, a full wave rectfier could
work.


Em 22/07/2011 18:25, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Ah, I think I get you now, Bill: I was thinking External Audio as "WAV" for instance into the FM Cutoff CV IN, which doesn't work, right?

Instead, I should think in terms of External CV In into the FM Cutoff CV In, is that it?


Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by 7yash

Thanks for being patient with all these explanations, Bill, I am slowly starting to get it.

The thing is: with a single jack, will I be able to route the audio and the CV internally in two different paths?

Re: [korgpolyex] Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-22 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

It's not a good choice, you can run into problems like noise in the audio source
and significant voltage drop, the best way is to have a connector for CV input and
a connector for audio input, if you want audio to be used as CV you need a rectfier,
if you want the same audio modulating the VCF and at the same time as a external
audio source you can send a stereo signal to both connectors.


Em 22/07/2011 19:54, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Thanks for being patient with all these explanations, Bill, I am slowly starting to get it.

The thing is: with a single jack, will I be able to route the audio and the CV internally in two different paths?


Silent Way and CVs - Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-27 by 7yash

Bill, a question about using Silent Way with the Poly-800.

Let's imagine I can use 4 different Silent Way CV signals to send to the Poly-800, and the latter does have 4 CV inputs into the VCF chip.

Do I need to be careful about the combined Control Voltage amounts and try to keep it below 7V or 8V in total?

Re: [korgpolyex] Silent Way and CVs - Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Yes, you sure do, the best way is to have only 1 input and choose
what you want to send by the software, as an exemple you could
send 1 LFO and 1 envelope trought the same input, or 2 LFOs and
1 step LFO, you choose.


Em 27/07/2011 15:35, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Bill, a question about using Silent Way with the Poly-800.

Let's imagine I can use 4 different Silent Way CV signals to send to the Poly-800, and the latter does have 4 CV inputs into the VCF chip.

Do I need to be careful about the combined Control Voltage amounts and try to keep it below 7V or 8V in total?


Re: [korgpolyex] Silent Way and CVs - Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

What you can do is to have 1 CV input for the VCF FREQ, 1 for RES, 1 FOR DCO1 LEVEL
and one for DCO2 LEVEL. I'm working on a pasive AC/DC box with voltage doublers and
attenuators for use with Silent Way, I'll start to sell them soon, they have 4 inputs, 4
outputs, 4 attenuators, 4 voltage doublers, you can choose between a full wave rectifier
and the voltage doubler for each channel and you can choose between 2 types of CAPS,
0.1µ or 0.47µ on each channel too, all in a die cast hammond case for $120 plus shipping,
let me know if you want 1 of these boxes.


Em 27/07/2011 15:35, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Bill, a question about using Silent Way with the Poly-800.

Let's imagine I can use 4 different Silent Way CV signals to send to the Poly-800, and the latter does have 4 CV inputs into the VCF chip.

Do I need to be careful about the combined Control Voltage amounts and try to keep it below 7V or 8V in total?


Re: [korgpolyex] Silent Way and CVs - Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-27 by Josh Nursing

These are the 4 CV inputs I was thinking about actually.

So, if I want to combine 4 of them, I should make sure than the total CV inputs are less than 7V or 8V, then, right?

I'm in the DIY craze, so I'll experiment rather than buy, but judging by the quality of the mods you made to the Poly-800, I'm sure this box will be very well done indeed!


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:15 PM, <billmeirelles@...> wrote:
 

What you can do is to have 1 CV input for the VCF FREQ, 1 for RES, 1 FOR DCO1 LEVEL
and one for DCO2 LEVEL. I'm working on a pasive AC/DC box with voltage doublers and
attenuators for use with Silent Way, I'll start to sell them soon, they have 4 inputs, 4
outputs, 4 attenuators, 4 voltage doublers, you can choose between a full wave rectifier
and the voltage doubler for each channel and you can choose between 2 types of CAPS,
0.1µ or 0.47µ on each channel too, all in a die cast hammond case for $120 plus shipping,
let me know if you want 1 of these boxes.




Em 27/07/2011 15:35, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Bill, a question about using Silent Way with the Poly-800.

Let's imagine I can use 4 different Silent Way CV signals to send to the Poly-800, and the latter does have 4 CV inputs into the VCF chip.

Do I need to be careful about the combined Control Voltage amounts and try to keep it below 7V or 8V in total?





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Re: [korgpolyex] Silent Way and CVs - Re: FM-800 mod demo and two interesting questions.

2011-07-27 by billmeirelles@uol.com.br

Yes, 7,6V I believe. Make sure you open up the filter to 99
and set the CUTOFF pot to 0 than you'll have the best results
comming from the VCF CV IN.


Em 27/07/2011 17:32, Josh Nursing < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

These are the 4 CV inputs I was thinking about actually.

So, if I want to combine 4 of them, I should make sure than the total CV inputs are less than 7V or 8V, then, right?
I'm in the DIY craze, so I'll experiment rather than buy, but judging by the quality of the mods you made to the Poly-800, I'm sure this box will be very well done indeed!

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:15 PM, <billmeirelles@...> wrote:

What you can do is to have 1 CV input for the VCF FREQ, 1 for RES, 1 FOR DCO1 LEVEL
and one for DCO2 LEVEL. I'm working on a pasive AC/DC box with voltage doublers and
attenuators for use with Silent Way, I'll start to sell them soon, they have 4 inputs, 4
outputs, 4 attenuators, 4 voltage doublers, you can choose between a full wave rectifier
and the voltage doubler for each channel and you can choose between 2 types of CAPS,
0.1µ or 0.47µ on each channel too, all in a die cast hammond case for $120 plus shipping,
let me know if you want 1 of these boxes.




Em 27/07/2011 15:35, 7yash < josh.nursing@... > escreveu:

Bill, a question about using Silent Way with the Poly-800.

Let's imagine I can use 4 different Silent Way CV signals to send to the Poly-800, and the latter does have 4 CV inputs into the VCF chip.

Do I need to be careful about the combined Control Voltage amounts and try to keep it below 7V or 8V in total?

 




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Skype (preferred): yashnur
Google Chat: josh.nursing@...
Cell: +1 (514) 652 9738
------------------------------------------
http://twitter.com/joshnursing
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