On 30 Apr 2009, at 14:11, korgpolyex800 wrote:
> 1) A global parameter - Arranger Mode - would allow choosing "arp",
> "arp hold" or "arranger learn" and "arranger play" modes. Arranger
> learn mode allows selecting which arrangement you wish to play and
> edit using the numeric keypad. So there would be 8 arrangements
> available. Each one would contain 32 notes.
> 2) Another global parameter - Arrangement Play Order - allows
> choosing the type of arranger pattern play mode. 0=play arrangement
> 1 only, 2=play arrangements 1213121..., 3=play 123456781234... and
> other arrangements would be available in the list.
> 3) Another global parameter allows setting the number of MIDI clock
> (or on board seq. clock) ticks per beat (anywhere from 1 to 32
> ticks per beat).
> 4) To get into arranger mode, hold down the Poly button and press
> Start. The arranger immediately starts playing. If you've have not
> recorded anything into the arranger then it will be silent.
> 5) Display would show "Ax yy zz" where A means ARP or Arrange, x is
> the current accent type, yy is the current selected pattern and zz
> is the current position in that pattern.
> 4) You enter notes at any time in the arrangement by hitting them
> in time with the arranger. The arranger would be monophonic and
> inserts hit keys into the arrangement in time with the sequence.
> This allows you to write in notes at any point in the arrangement.
> Pressing the write key deletes the next note that would be played
> in the arrangement. So holding down the write key through the
> entire arrangement (32 notes) would clear all the notes.
> 5) The current accent (x) is the type of accent data you want to
> enter in real time. Pressing the Up/Down buttons would cycle
> through the possible values. 0=VCF cutoff, 1=resonance, 2=decay
> time (others?). You use the joystick to select the desired amount
> of accent and at the moment in the arrangement that you want the
> accent applied (inserted) you press the step key. The next note
> will have that accent applied. The accent value is calculated by
> taking the patches actual set value and adding or subtracting from
> it according to the Y axis deflection of the joystick.
> 6) When in "arranger learn" mode, you can select any one of the
> eight possible arrangements by pressing 1-8 on the keypad. The
> display (yy) will change from 01 thru 08 according to which
> arrangement is playing. In this manner, you can edit all 8
> different arrangements one at a time because in learn mode, the one
> arrangement repeats endlessly. So you would edit one, select
> another one using the keypad, edit that one, select the next one
> and so on.
> 7) When in "arranger play" mode, the arrangements are played in
> sequence according to the global parameter "Arranger Play Order".
> We will have to come up with a list of the types of ordering that
> we want.
> 8) There would be no way to adjust the duration of the notes other
> than a global parameter that sets the note hold time after the note
> onset measured in ticks (1-64). So a note hold of 1 means turn the
> note off one tick after the note comes on whereas a note hold of 12
> would keep the note held for 12 ticks.
> 9) The beat position in the arrangement is displayed in the last
> two digits of the display (yy) and constantly changes as the
> arranger plays through the notes. So it the display would show
> 01,02,03...32,01,02,03...32...
>
> That doesn't sound too complicated now does it?
I like it- this all sounds great!
It does sound complex, but given the limited controls available,
that's unavoidable. It looks like you've really thought this through
though.
A few things occur to me:
- You mention use of the joystick in a couple of places. What's the
alternative for EX-800 users? Could you also set accent level using
the keyboard maybe, or pitch-bend/modulation?
- How about slide notes? Would slide be activated by continuing to
hold down the previous note while pressing the new one?
- Would it be possible to combine accent types on the same note? You
seem to suggest in 5. above, that this wouldn't be the case. Might be
nice either to be able to do this, or to have another type of accent
that maybe combined say, decreasing the filter envelope decay, and
increasing the cutoff and resonance at higher settings.
- There are circumstances where modulating the envelopes' decay times
wouldn't have an appreciable effect, because of other envelope
settings. Would you somehow change the envelope to a simple AD
(Attack Decay) one if an accent type was selected that would modulate
the decay time?
I know I've mentioned this before, and I'm still not clear on whether
it would actually be possible, but once we get into setting
particular parameters per-step from a sequencer, it would be great to
be able to set any arbitrary parameter and record that into the
sequencers memory for that step. I realise there's a whole new level
of complexity (and memory-usage) there though.
Incidentally, are the upgrade chips available yet? If so, can I place
an order for one?
a|x
>
> Mike.
>
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> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Alex Drinkwater <the_voder@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> That's the ticket!!!
>>
>> Nice one. Then that's a definite 'YES', in that case.
>> Would the sequence be transposable from the keyboard? How do you
>> envisage the notes, accents and slides being inputted (if that's the
>> correct word)?
>>
>> a|x
>>
>> On 30 Apr 2009, at 00:49, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, that is the plan.
>>>
>>> I was thinking that we would do VCF cutoff, resonance and decay time
>>> accenting.
>>>
>>> Mike.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Alex Drinkwater <the_voder@...>
>>> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:07:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Arpeggiator for HAWK-800
>>>
>>>
>>> If you could add accents and slides;
>>> absolutely!!
>>>
>>> a|x
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 29/4/09, patrioticduo <patrioticduo@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: patrioticduo <patrioticduo@ yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Arpeggiator for HAWK-800
>>>> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, 29 April, 2009, 7:33 PM
>>>> Well Poly is happy to work with
>>>> changing MIDI clock rates same as any synth is.
>>>>
>>>> Next question for everyone is.
>>>>
>>>> While I'm doing the ARP it occurred to me that I could make
>>>> a 16 note arranger/sequencer similar to TB-303. I never used
>>>> a 303 so I don't know how it works but...
>>>>
>>>> Would anyone consider a real time sequencer on the Poly to
>>>> be a useful thing?
>>>>
>>>> Mike.
>>>>
>>>> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com,
>>>> "narfman96" <narfman96@ ..> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that is what I meant for a work around if freqspec
>>>> really wanted to try it.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com,
>>>> "patrioticduo" <patrioticduo@ > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Fran,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Would it overload the HAWK midi clock if you
>>>> applied a
>>>>>> LFO clocked routine externally from a DAW?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean your DAW would send variable rate MIDI
>>>> clocks? If yes, then Poly would be OK with that. If not,
>>>> then I guess I don't understand what you're suggesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com,
>>>> "narfman96" <narfman96@> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When my brother showed me all the already
>>>> compiled utilities in Java I had to laugh. Visual Basic same
>>>> thing. He's not learning programming on the scale that the
>>>> old timers knew. Just go grab an easy to find utility on the
>>>> web and away you go....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike, you explained to me why I write and
>>>> freely share all my patches. At the end of the day I know
>>>> how all my synths work inside and out. If I need a sound I
>>>> can usually visualize what needs to be done to get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your Arp ideas are great! Would it overload
>>>> the HAWK midi clock if you applied a LFO clocked routine
>>>> externally from a DAW? Oh well, bennies and the jet. Sorry
>>>> about our indigenously high pollen count this time of
>>>> year. Fran
>>>>>>> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com,
>>>> LARRY HAWKE <gorgarh@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yesterday I couldn't spell
>>>> programmer.. .now I ARE one! ;^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the coolest thing about my
>>>> keyboard obsession is to park the Poly 800 next to my 'wall
>>>> of keyboards' (Korg R3/microK/Alesis) and still play the
>>>> heck out of it even though it's severly limited compared to
>>>> my 21st Century gear.
>>>>>>>> Considering that I paid $75 bucks for
>>>> the Poly 800 (compared to a total of $2,000 for the others),
>>>> I find that to be pretty mind-blowing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jam on! (learn with Gern!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
>>>>>>>> From: korgpolyex800@
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:23:59 +0000
>>>>>>>> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Arpeggiator
>>>> for HAWK-800
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>> that's pretty funny that you should ask for something that
>>>> is not only difficult - but in actuality, damn near
>>>> impossible. ROFL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But since you asked in jest and since I
>>>> am as high as a kite on Benadryl to stop my ugly allergies
>>>> and also since I have been listening to Solarfields Brainbow
>>>> and other incredibly uplifting trance tracks. And what's
>>>> more, since I have cleaned my office top to bottom and the
>>>> weather is fantastic - well, here is a little off topic rant
>>>> that I hope you all enjoy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, the Arpeggiator is going
>>>> to be clocked by MIDI or the built in sequencer so you can
>>>> always vary the ARP rate by changing either of those clocks.
>>>> But I am assuming that you wanted to vary the rate in the
>>>> sense that you want to modulate the clock rate. Say, by
>>>> sending an LFO into the clock rate in order to modulate it.
>>>> Now that is the kind of question that makes my head go off
>>>> in all directions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But thankfully, before that happened, I
>>>> received a great article - at just the right moment - about
>>>> the history of software programming and all of the problems
>>>> that go with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.computer world.com/ action/article. do?command=
>>> viewArticleBasic &taxonomyName= Development& articleId=
>>> 9132061&taxonomy Id=11&pageNumber =1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And boy did I get a laugh reading
>>>> through that article, because just about everything it
>>>> mentions has been a big factor in the last two years of
>>>> programming the HAWK-800. You have to keep in mind that the
>>>> Poly 800 is based on the 80C85 microprocessor and I didn't
>>>> want to buy a C compiler, and also there was a free 8085
>>>> assembler out there called TASM - well, I ended up doing
>>>> this entire project using assembler. Which seemed like it
>>>> would be fun (and difficult) at the time I chose that
>>>> direction but since I had also found a free disassembler
>>>> that I was able to put the original ROM code through - well,
>>>> here we are - two years later and a lot of spaghetti code
>>>> has been produced which actually does the job rather nicely
>>>> but - well, to be honest, maintaining the new code has been
>>>> a lesson in programming that I never thought I would
>>>> experience. Certainly not in the year 2009! The last time I
>>>> wrote any assembler at all was around 1994 and even then I
>>>> wrote awful code!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So then what's this all about you say.
>>>> Well, in my own silly way I just had to have a laugh
>>>> thinking about how mad crazy this project really is and has
>>>> been the whole time. But dang! if I didn't have the most
>>>> awesome time doing all of this and I frankly don't mind if
>>>> the only thing I am remembered for in the wider world after
>>>> I'm gone is that I was mad enough, crazy enough and or
>>>> stupid enough to have created a kit that so far only about
>>>> 30 people have gained benefit from. And that, even then, the
>>>> HAWK-800 kit is just an enhancement to a synthesizer that is
>>>> widely considered to be one of the cheapest (because it was)
>>>> pieces of crap masquerading as a real synthesizer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The irony, oh the irony of it all is
>>>> that probably even this kit won't be remembered at all and
>>>> the only benefit from most of this work is that I can
>>>> honestly say that I learned more about programming and more
>>>> about the wizardry of sound synthesis and then made not a
>>>> single a buck out of it but did just have a wonderful time
>>>> doing it. And so it really isn't about the destination, it's
>>>> the journey that matters after all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, for those of you who managed to
>>>> read this far and were hoping for a wider or more poignant
>>>> point - I hate to say it - but there isn't one. Consider
>>>> yourself to be Rick Rolled! LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now back to this ARP thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers all!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com,
>>>> Frequency Spectrum <freqspec@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> any chance of having a swing rate
>>>> included.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If so i would buy the mod for my
>>>> mk2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Im only joking this would be very
>>>> difficult i suspect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:00 PM,
>>>> patrioticduo <patrioticduo@ >wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Poly fans,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am in the process of
>>>> writing the code for an arpeggiator for the Poly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a couple of questions
>>>> since I've not used an arp for some time and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> also, I want to make the ARP
>>>> unique in its functions compared to other
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What does everybody think
>>>> about the following ARP features?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In ARP mode, the display will
>>>> show "A" (replacing the "P") and only Poly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mode is supported when in ARP
>>>> mode. You select ARP mode by holding down the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Poly" button and then
>>>> pressing the Seq. Start button. This makes it very
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> easy to get into ARP mode for
>>>> performances. To exit ARP mode, simply press
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the sequencer start/stop
>>>> button again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In ARP mode, any MIDI
>>>> received notes or played notes will be inserted into
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the arpeggiator buffer. The
>>>> notes will not be immediately played but
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instead, will be inserted
>>>> into the arpeggiator such that the notes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will be played out in
>>>> sequence according to the arpeggiator clock rate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (based upon either on board
>>>> sequencer rate or MIDI clock rate). So if you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were to hit four notes at
>>>> once then each one would be played out on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> subsequent note ticks. The
>>>> notes would be played out in order according to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the sweep mode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The arpeggiator user settings
>>>> will be stored in global mode parameters and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will include the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP_SWEEP - 1=Up, 2=Down,
>>>> 3=Up/Down, 4=Down/Up, 5=FIFO, 6=random.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Up - plays the notes in an
>>>> upward sweep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Down - plays the notes in a
>>>> downward sweep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Up/Down - plays the notes in
>>>> an initial upward sweep followed by a downward
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sweep and thereupon repeats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Down/Up - plays the notes in
>>>> an initial downward sweep followed by an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> upward sweep and thereupon
>>>> repeats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FIFO - plays the notes in the
>>>> order in which they were originally played.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Random - plays the notes in
>>>> random order.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP_RANGE - 0=none, 1=1
>>>> octave, 2=2 octaves, 3=3 octaves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 0 - plays only the notes that
>>>> are played.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1 - plays the played notes
>>>> and the same notes one octave higher.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2 - plays the played notes
>>>> and the same notes one octave higher and one
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> octave lower.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3 - plays the played notes
>>>> along with one and two octaves higher and lower.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP_DELAY - 1-64 = number of
>>>> arp ticks to delay note off
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP_FORSTEP - 0=off, 1 thru
>>>> 128. On each arp tick skip forward this number
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of arp notes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP_BACKSTEP - 0=off, 1 thru
>>>> 128. On each arp tick move backward this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> number of arp notes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP_REST - 0=off, 1 thru 128.
>>>> The number of arp notes to play before a rest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is played instead of the arp
>>>> note.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ARP_SINGLE - 1=play the
>>>> arpeggiator when 1 or more notes are played, 2=play
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when 2 or more notes are
>>>> played.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, you can see that I am
>>>> trying to make the ARP behave in a way that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> allows for some funky
>>>> stepping forward and backward as well as skipping on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sounding notes. What does
>>>> everyone think of those features?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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