Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

In order to get sync mode working with MIDI in (such as from your
computer sequencer), I figured it would be useful to have MIDI soft
thru available. That way, you can cascade your Poly 800 and EX800
without taking up any extra MIDI ports. So I implemented that today
and it works OK. Since I used a FIFO (first in first out) to buffer
the incoming MIDI (to keep the MIDI interrupt handler as small as
possible), there is definitely going to be a delay on the soft thru
MIDI. But I was not able to discern any delay with my own ears or
looking at MIDI-OX.

I am beginning to wonder just how much more code I can drop into the
Poly 800 before I run out of CPU cycles. The little 8 bit CPU just
keeps on going and going and going. It's quite incredible how much
more it's being asked to do but it doesn't seem to mind the extra work
at all.

I've also been watching the stack pointer depth to see if nested calls
are increasing but even while sending massive MIDI sysex, timecode and
common messages while the Poly is running the sequencer at top speed
and using my arms to stand on as many keys as I can, the stack doesn't
grow very much at all.

Mike.

_

In order to get sync mode working with MIDI in (such as from your
computer sequencer), I figured it would be useful to have MIDI soft
thru available. That way, you can cascade your Poly 800 and EX800
without taking up any extra MIDI ports. So I implemented that today
and it works OK. Since I used a FIFO (first in first out) to buffer
the incoming MIDI (to keep the MIDI interrupt handler as small as
possible), there is definitely going to be a delay on the soft thru
MIDI. But I was not able to discern any delay with my own ears or
looking at MIDI-OX.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Neil Wakeling <neil@...> wrote:
>
> Incidentally, I am one of those who has done interfacing, coding, and
> produced my own circuit boards (for Atari interfaces), so can I join
the
> list of "officially impressed people" :)
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
> korgpolyex800 wrote:
> >
> > In order to get sync mode working with MIDI in (such as from your
> > computer sequencer), I figured it would be useful to have MIDI soft
> > thru available. That way, you can cascade your Poly 800 and EX800
> > without taking up any extra MIDI ports. So I implemented that today
> > and it works OK. Since I used a FIFO (first in first out) to buffer
> > the incoming MIDI (to keep the MIDI interrupt handler as small as
> > possible), there is definitely going to be a delay on the soft thru
> > MIDI. But I was not able to discern any delay with my own ears or
> > looking at MIDI-OX.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

payment impressed eh?

let me at that one! paypal? or what is the method of doing this?

i wonder if theres enough CPU to add an arpeggiator to the poly?

;-)

JB over

On 29/12/2007, at 4:42 AM, korgpolyex800 wrote:

I don't mind who is impressed. I'll take official impressed or just
casual impressed. I'll even accept payment impressed. LOL

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Neil Wakeling <neil@...> wrote:
>
> Incidentally, I am one of those who has done interfacing, coding, and
> produced my own circuit boards (for Atari interfaces), so can I join
the
> list of "officially impressed people" :)
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
> korgpolyex800 wrote:
> >
> > In order to get sync mode working with MIDI in (such as from your
> > computer sequencer), I figured it would be useful to have MIDI soft
> > thru available. That way, you can cascade your Poly 800 and EX800
> > without taking up any extra MIDI ports. So I implemented that today
> > and it works OK. Since I used a FIFO (first in first out) to buffer
> > the incoming MIDI (to keep the MIDI interrupt handler as small as
> > possible), there is definitely going to be a delay on the soft thru
> > MIDI. But I was not able to discern any delay with my own ears or
> > looking at MIDI-OX.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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>
> It's just incredible, what are You doing with P800. I can't wait to
> buy a kit!
>
> What kind of arpegiattor modes?
> - up
> - down
> - up/down
> - random
> - hmmm maybe separate arpegiattors for each DCO? [just like in RMI
> Harmonic Synth] + keyb split function or sth
> - arpegiator similar to Jupiter 6's Europa?
>

random arpeggiator - synth will randomly choose pressed keys... for
example You will press C E G notes and arpeggio will play sth like
this: C G E G G C E E C E G E C C etc :)

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> What kind of arpegiattor modes?
> - up
> - down
> - up/down
> - random
> - hmmm maybe separate arpegiattors for each DCO? [just like in RMI
> Harmonic Synth] + keyb split function or sth
> - arpegiator similar to Jupiter 6's Europa?
>

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--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Russ <russdaren@...> wrote:
>
> Just my own two cents.
> I use the 800 because of its quirky sound possibilities, combined
with its value and plentifulness. Meaning I dont feel bad if I mod it
to heck. I think some of us would have less use for an arpeggiator,
esp if it comes at the cost of any other sound mangling features.
> Different LFO shapes, multiple LFO's faster and slower LFO speed and
maybe some settings on the chorus (besides on or off!) are tops on my
list. Is PWM too much to ask? Probably. The midi soft thru sounds like
an awesome idea! I look forward to stacking my poly 800 MKIII with my
moogslayered 800!
>
>
>
>
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> What kind of arpegiattor modes?
> - up
> - down
> - up/down
> - random
> - hmmm maybe separate arpegiattors for each DCO? [just like in RMI
> Harmonic Synth] + keyb split function or sth
> - arpegiator similar to Jupiter 6's Europa?
>

> I've never worked with a random arpeggiator, so I would like to get some
> input from you all as to what modes there should be in random mode. One
> way of doing random could be to randomly switch octaves for each note
> that is held down. So if C#1 and G#4 notes are on then randomly choose
> C#1,2,3 or 4 and G#1,2,3 or 4. Does that make sense?
>
> What other random arpeggiate modes could there be?

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, korgpolyex800 wrote:

> I've never worked with a random arpeggiator, so I would like to get some
> input from you all as to what modes there should be in random mode. One
> way of doing random could be to randomly switch octaves for each note
> that is held down. So if C#1 and G#4 notes are on then randomly choose
> C#1,2,3 or 4 and G#1,2,3 or 4. Does that make sense?
>
> What other random arpeggiate modes could there be?
============ ======

this covers pretty much everything that an arpeggiator could/should be -
http://optimolch. de/jens.groh/ K5000/GregWaltze r/egw/equipment/ k5000arp. htm

that should give you some ideas and inspiration, but i'd be surprised if
you find a way to implement more than the basics, given the 800's limited
UI. it may also be useful to go over the manual for the oberheim cyclone,
but i've never played with one of those.

http://www.lazyblue octopus.com/ Oberheim_ cyclone.pdf

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> I just spent the entire evening playing around with my Poly 800 and EX
> 800 in the bug tested cascade sync mode and the sounds were fantastic
> (!!!) with the stereo left being the Poly 800 and the stereo right being
> the EX800. Since the clocks in the units are not exactly the same, the
> envelopes and MG VCF/reso sweeps sound fantastic (!!!).

> Soon we'll be reintroducing the Poly 800 and EX800 back into the
> mainstream with a kick ass sound that should make it highly sort after
> and will finally settle the question as to whether the Roland Juno 106
> is better. Even if it ever was, it's not anymore!

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> I just spent the entire evening playing around with my Poly 800 and EX
> 800 in the bug tested cascade sync mode and the sounds were fantastic
> (!!!) with the stereo left being the Poly 800 and the stereo right being
> the EX800. Since the clocks in the units are not exactly the same, the
> envelopes and MG VCF/reso sweeps sound fantastic (!!!).
============ ===

did you see god when you did that? that's absolutely sick!!!!

> Soon we'll be reintroducing the Poly 800 and EX800 back into the
> mainstream with a kick ass sound that should make it highly sort after
> and will finally settle the question as to whether the Roland Juno 106
> is better. Even if it ever was, it's not anymore!
============ ===

1) it never was. especially for 4-5 times the price.
2) the voice chips on them are starting to die of old age, en masse.

hhmmm... and how will these two factors combine to affect the price of the
p800...? mike, maybe you can offer a discount on the kit if people send
you their old JUNOs... and you can make extra money selling juno parts ;)

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, korgpolyex800 wrote:

> I've never worked with a random arpeggiator, so I would like to get some
> input from you all as to what modes there should be in random mode. One
> way of doing random could be to randomly switch octaves for each note
> that is held down. So if C#1 and G#4 notes are on then randomly choose
> C#1,2,3 or 4 and G#1,2,3 or 4. Does that make sense?
>
> What other random arpeggiate modes could there be?
============ ======

this covers pretty much everything that an arpeggiator could/should be -
http://optimolch. de/jens.groh/ K5000/GregWaltze r/egw/equipment/ k5000arp. htm

that should give you some ideas and inspiration, but i'd be surprised if
you find a way to implement more than the basics, given the 800's limited
UI. it may also be useful to go over the manual for the oberheim cyclone,
but i've never played with one of those.

http://www.lazyblue octopus.com/ Oberheim_ cyclone.pdf

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On 12/30/07, Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@...> wrote:
> More arp please! I love using random arp on my other synths.
> There are mp3's of the Europa modded Jupiter6 on of the synth sites... Can't
> remember which one though....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phoebe <october71@...>
> Sent: December 29, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Arpeggiator coming soon.
>
> > What kind of arpegiattor modes?
> > - up
> > - down
> > - up/down
> > - random
> > - hmmm maybe separate arpegiattors for each DCO? [just like in RMI
> > Harmonic Synth] + keyb split function or sth
> > - arpegiator similar to Jupiter 6's Europa?
> >
>
> This is pretty much what I was going to suggest, 'cept I didn't think
> of separate arps for each dco...that would be pretty crazy! (in a good
> way)
>
> I have no idea what the jupiter 6 Europa arp sounds like...
>
> Heck, I'd just be happy with up, down, up+down, and random!
>
> cya,
> phoebe
>
>
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>
> [The entire original message is not included]

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> But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and programmable via
> sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build a nice GUI
> front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
>
> In the short term, we should be able to get at least some of the Kawai
> ARP behavior into the Poly.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and programmable via
> sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build a nice GUI
> front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
>
> In the short term, we should be able to get at least some of the Kawai
> ARP behavior into the Poly.
============ ===

cool... and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can have the option
of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?

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Hello, Mike

 

Maybe this is pushing the envelòpe (pun intended) a little too far, but... given the fact that additional EGs are probably on their way... could there be a way to implement some sort of EG to the DCO's pitch, in the light of the accomplished feat of portamento? Or maybe, assigning EG to a specific LFo, so that we could have initial pitch up/down on DCOs for a determined amount of time, in order to create detuned attacks?

 

Also, I also wished for a "2.5" detune setting between 2 and 3... 3 is way detuned, but 2 could use some more detuning...

 

just a wild thought...

 

dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hawkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM

Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course

Hi Atom,

I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send MIDI out. User selectable of course.

Mike.

Atom Smasher <atom@smasher. org> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and programmable via
> sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build a nice GUI
> front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
>
> In the short term, we should be able to get at least some of the Kawai
> ARP behavior into the Poly.
============ ===

cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can have the option
of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hawkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM

Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course

Hi Atom,

I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send MIDI out. User selectable of course.

Mike.

Atom Smasher <atom@smasher. org> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and programmable via
> sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build a nice GUI
> front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
>
> In the short term, we should be able to get at least some of the Kawai
> ARP behavior into the Poly.
============ ===

cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can have the option
of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hawkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course

Hi Dave,

The one part of the code that is incredibly complex (at least for the monkeys in my head) is the EG's. The third EG I am making some progress with working out it's behavior but I had put that on the back burner simply because I was making such great progress on everything else. Yes, eventually we will most likely have a fourth EG to work with and perhaps even a fifth. I really want those extra EG's for exactly your reason as well as unhooking the noise generator from EG3. The noise generator really needs its own LFO and EG. However, I can't focus on any of that right now because a) it's going to take a lot of time to work out how Korg does their EG's and b) I have to finish up the features developed so far and package up the kit and documentation etc so that people can start buying the kit.

We're out of luck with the detune because it is done in hardware. However, I think a way forward with that would be a hardware mod that duplicates the master clock and then provide MG with more LFO's etc to modulate both the DCO1 and DCO2 master clocks separately. That way, you get separate bend, MG, detune etc on both DCO1 and DCO2 (whereas right now DCO2 is a slaved clock off of DCO1's master). But once again, that is just going to have to wait until we get all of this other stuff out of the way first.

Mike.

David Mochen <davidmochen@ hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello, Mike

 

Maybe this is pushing the envelòpe (pun intended) a little too far, but... given the fact that additional EGs are probably on their way... could there be a way to implement some sort of EG to the DCO's pitch, in the light of the accomplished feat of portamento? Or maybe, assigning EG to a specific LFo, so that we could have initial pitch up/down on DCOs for a determined amount of time, in order to create detuned attacks?

 

Also, I also wished for a "2.5" detune setting between 2 and 3... 3 is way detuned, but 2 could use some more detuning...

 

just a wild thought...

 

dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hawkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM

Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course

Hi Atom,

I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send MIDI out. User selectable of course.

Mike.

Atom Smasher <atom@smasher. org> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and programmable via
> sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build a nice GUI
> front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
>
> In the short term, we should be able to get at least some of the Kawai
> ARP behavior into the Poly.
============ ===

cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can have the option
of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?

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--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "David Mochen" <davidmochen@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike for your hard efforts. And I insist the beefed-up Poly
should be named Poly-800 MH Rev.! (lol)
>
> dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Hawkins
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> The one part of the code that is incredibly complex (at least for
the monkeys in my head) is the EG's. The third EG I am making some
progress with working out it's behavior but I had put that on the back
burner simply because I was making such great progress on everything
else. Yes, eventually we will most likely have a fourth EG to work
with and perhaps even a fifth. I really want those extra EG's for
exactly your reason as well as unhooking the noise generator from EG3.
The noise generator really needs its own LFO and EG. However, I can't
focus on any of that right now because a) it's going to take a lot of
time to work out how Korg does their EG's and b) I have to finish up
the features developed so far and package up the kit and documentation
etc so that people can start buying the kit.
>
> We're out of luck with the detune because it is done in hardware.
However, I think a way forward with that would be a hardware mod that
duplicates the master clock and then provide MG with more LFO's etc to
modulate both the DCO1 and DCO2 master clocks separately. That way,
you get separate bend, MG, detune etc on both DCO1 and DCO2 (whereas
right now DCO2 is a slaved clock off of DCO1's master). But once
again, that is just going to have to wait until we get all of this
other stuff out of the way first.
>
> Mike.
>
> David Mochen <davidmochen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, Mike
>
> Maybe this is pushing the envelòpe (pun intended) a little too
far, but... given the fact that additional EGs are probably on their
way... could there be a way to implement some sort of EG to the DCO's
pitch, in the light of the accomplished feat of portamento? Or maybe,
assigning EG to a specific LFo, so that we could have initial pitch
up/down on DCOs for a determined amount of time, in order to create
detuned attacks?
>
> Also, I also wished for a "2.5" detune setting between 2 and
3... 3 is way detuned, but 2 could use some more detuning...
>
> just a wild thought...
>
> dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Hawkins
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course
>
>
> Hi Atom,
>
> I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send
MIDI out. User selectable of course.
>
> Mike.
>
> Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>
> > But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and
programmable via
> > sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build
a nice GUI
> > front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
> >
> > In the short term, we should be able to get at least some
of the Kawai
> > ARP behavior into the Poly.
> ===============
>
> cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can
have the option
> of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: patrioticduo

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:05 PM

Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course

How about the MHoly-800 (pronounced Molly)? LOL

How about Hawkins-800 (for the Poly) and Xawkins-800 (for the EX)?

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, "David Mochen" <davidmochen@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike for your hard efforts. And I insist the beefed-up Poly
should be named Poly-800 MH Rev.! (lol)
>
> dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Hawkins
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> The one part of the code that is incredibly complex (at least for
the monkeys in my head) is the EG's. The third EG I am making some
progress with working out it's behavior but I had put that on the back
burner simply because I was making such great progress on everything
else. Yes, eventually we will most likely have a fourth EG to work
with and perhaps even a fifth. I really want those extra EG's for
exactly your reason as well as unhooking the noise generator from EG3.
The noise generator really needs its own LFO and EG. However, I can't
focus on any of that right now because a) it's going to take a lot of
time to work out how Korg does their EG's and b) I have to finish up
the features developed so far and package up the kit and documentation
etc so that people can start buying the kit.
>
> We're out of luck with the detune because it is done in hardware.
However, I think a way forward with that would be a hardware mod that
duplicates the master clock and then provide MG with more LFO's etc to
modulate both the DCO1 and DCO2 master clocks separately. That way,
you get separate bend, MG, detune etc on both DCO1 and DCO2 (whereas
right now DCO2 is a slaved clock off of DCO1's master). But once
again, that is just going to have to wait until we get all of this
other stuff out of the way first.
>
> Mike.
>
> David Mochen <davidmochen@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello, Mike
>
> Maybe this is pushing the envelòpe (pun intended) a little too
far, but... given the fact that additional EGs are probably on their
way... could there be a way to implement some sort of EG to the DCO's
pitch, in the light of the accomplished feat of portamento? Or maybe,
assigning EG to a specific LFo, so that we could have initial pitch
up/down on DCOs for a determined amount of time, in order to create
detuned attacks?
>
> Also, I also wished for a "2.5" detune setting between 2 and
3... 3 is way detuned, but 2 could use some more detuning...
>
> just a wild thought...
>
> dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Hawkins
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course
>
>
> Hi Atom,
>
> I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send
MIDI out. User selectable of course.
>
> Mike.
>
> Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>
> > But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and
programmable via
> > sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build
a nice GUI
> > front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
> >
> > In the short term, we should be able to get at least some
of the Kawai
> > ARP behavior into the Poly.
> ============ ===
>
> cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can
have the option
> of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?
>
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>
> Well... it's kinda hard to come to terms with this I guess... no

>
> How about:
>
> Korg Poly-800 MH Rev.
> Korg EX-800 MH Rev.
> Korg M-Hawk 800
> Korg M-Hawk 800 EX (for the EX-800)
>
> and just for the fun of it, and for those of us who will want to

>
> Korg ATom-a-Hawk 800 (lol)
>
> more suggestions coming :D
>
> dave
>
>
>
> Maybe a poll is in order?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patrioticduo
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:05 PM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course
>
>
> How about the MHoly-800 (pronounced Molly)? LOL
>
> How about Hawkins-800 (for the Poly) and Xawkins-800 (for the EX)?
>
> Mike.
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "David Mochen" <davidmochen@>

> >
> > Thanks Mike for your hard efforts. And I insist the beefed-up Poly
> should be named Poly-800 MH Rev.! (lol)
> >
> > dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Hawkins
> > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course
> >
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > The one part of the code that is incredibly complex (at least for
> the monkeys in my head) is the EG's. The third EG I am making some
> progress with working out it's behavior but I had put that on the back
> burner simply because I was making such great progress on everything
> else. Yes, eventually we will most likely have a fourth EG to work
> with and perhaps even a fifth. I really want those extra EG's for
> exactly your reason as well as unhooking the noise generator from EG3.
> The noise generator really needs its own LFO and EG. However, I can't
> focus on any of that right now because a) it's going to take a lot of
> time to work out how Korg does their EG's and b) I have to finish up
> the features developed so far and package up the kit and documentation
> etc so that people can start buying the kit.
> >
> > We're out of luck with the detune because it is done in hardware.
> However, I think a way forward with that would be a hardware mod that
> duplicates the master clock and then provide MG with more LFO's etc to
> modulate both the DCO1 and DCO2 master clocks separately. That way,
> you get separate bend, MG, detune etc on both DCO1 and DCO2 (whereas
> right now DCO2 is a slaved clock off of DCO1's master). But once
> again, that is just going to have to wait until we get all of this
> other stuff out of the way first.
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > David Mochen <davidmochen@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Mike
> >
> > Maybe this is pushing the envelòpe (pun intended) a little too
> far, but... given the fact that additional EGs are probably on their
> way... could there be a way to implement some sort of EG to the DCO's
> pitch, in the light of the accomplished feat of portamento? Or maybe,
> assigning EG to a specific LFo, so that we could have initial pitch
> up/down on DCOs for a determined amount of time, in order to create
> detuned attacks?
> >
> > Also, I also wished for a "2.5" detune setting between 2 and
> 3... 3 is way detuned, but 2 could use some more detuning...
> >
> > just a wild thought...
> >
> > dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Hawkins
> > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM
> > Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course
> >
> >
> > Hi Atom,
> >
> > I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send
> MIDI out. User selectable of course.
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > Atom Smasher <atom@> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:
> >
> > > But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and
> programmable via
> > > sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build
> a nice GUI
> > > front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
> > >
> > > In the short term, we should be able to get at least some
> of the Kawai
> > > ARP behavior into the Poly.
> > ===============
> >
> > cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can
> have the option
> > of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?
> >
> > --
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> >
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> >
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> In short, if you send an On message to a specific controller then

>
> Hi Poly fans,
>
> More quick advancements are being made. Even last night, I spent

> Pedal (64) and Hold 2 Pedal (69). So to me it would make sense to

>
> So the set up would be that if you send a MIDI Controller Hold On

> Finally, if you send an Off message to either 64, 65 or 69 then the

>
> In short, if you send an On message to a specific controller then

>
> Does this make the most sense?
>
> And the other thing I thought about was that I think each patch

>
> What does everyone think about that?
>
> Mike.
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Hi, great , great atmosphere here !!

What about possibility to implement your kit here in Europe ?

> In short, if you send an On message to a specific controller then
the Poly will switch to that particular mode and if send an Off
message to ANY of those three modes the Poly will return to Poly mode.

- What, if Poly is in Arp mode, and will recieve Hold command ?

- Regarding name : Korg AtomAhawk is wonderful.
But idea :
MiKORG 008
(MiK from Mike + sounds like My Korg - I think all of us feel "my
korg" emotion, otherwise we wouldn`t disscuss here...;
008 - year + refers to original 800)
MiKORG X08 for EX-800 .

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com, Michael Hawkins
<korgpolyex800@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Poly fans,
>
> More quick advancements are being made. Even last night, I spent
about an hour writing the code to add a MIDI controller to turn
portamento on and off - and it works! So now, when you cascade two
Poly's together, you can have one unit put the other into the mode
that you wish. This was driving me nuts over the weekend when I was
toying around with cascade mode but was not able to put my EX800 into
Portamento mode (or any other mode) because it lacks the three mode
buttons. Over this weekend I will add additional controllers to allow
switching into Chord and Hold modes. But I need your input or
suggestions as to which controllers I should use to do that. I don't
possess any hardware MIDI controller at all, so I am completely
unaware of what various MIDI controllers out there have in the way of
push buttons that would send MIDI control messages. Most of them seem
to have plenty of knobs but not many push buttons. Anyway, there is a
MIDI controller message available for Hold
> Pedal (64) and Hold 2 Pedal (69). So to me it would make sense to
use those two to enable Hold and Chord Modes.
>
> So the set up would be that if you send a MIDI Controller Hold On
(64) message to the Poly then the Poly would switch to Hold mode.
And, if you send a MIDI Controller Hold 2 On (69) message then it
would switch to Chord mode. And of course, if you send an On message
to Portamento control (65) then the Poly would shift to Portamento
mode.
> Finally, if you send an Off message to either 64, 65 or 69 then the
Poly returns to normal Poly mode.
>
> In short, if you send an On message to a specific controller then
the Poly will switch to that particular mode and if send an Off
message to ANY of those three modes the Poly will return to Poly mode.
>
> Does this make the most sense?
>
> And the other thing I thought about was that I think each patch
should store the playing mode as well. This occurs to me to make some
sense because I am quite certain there will be certain patches that I
would set up specifically for portamento mode. And I think it follows
that there would be other patches that I would prefer to set up for
chord or hold modes too. I think it would be relatively easy to set
this up in the extended patches area. Would it be a nice thing to be
able to change patches and have the mode also change to the mode that
you had saved for that patch?
>
> What does everyone think about that?
>
> Mike.
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Hello, Mike

 

Maybe this is pushing the envelòpe (pun intended) a little too far, but... given the fact that additional EGs are probably on their way... could there be a way to implement some sort of EG to the DCO's pitch, in the light of the accomplished feat of portamento? Or maybe, assigning EG to a specific LFo, so that we could have initial pitch up/down on DCOs for a determined amount of time, in order to create detuned attacks?

 

Also, I also wished for a "2.5" detune setting between 2 and 3... 3 is way detuned, but 2 could use some more detuning...

 

just a wild thought...

 

dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hawkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM

Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course

Hi Atom,

I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send MIDI out. User selectable of course.

Mike.

Atom Smasher <atom@smasher. org> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and programmable via
> sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build a nice GUI
> front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
>
> In the short term, we should be able to get at least some of the Kawai
> ARP behavior into the Poly.
============ ===

cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can have the option
of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?

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> I didn't know the sound was different in Europe. Is the air

>
> Yes, the kit will be made available across as many countries as

> The only problem with MiKorg is that it is using Korg's name which

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "jusufzemplin" <jusuf@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I didn't know the sound was different in Europe. Is the air
> different? LOL
>
> No air, but ears..)
> >
> > Yes, the kit will be made available across as many countries as
> possible. Not exactly sure how I'll make it available to Antartica
> but the main continents should be OK.
>
> Thanks, so i have to obtain the kit before my moving to Antarctica...
>
> > The only problem with MiKorg is that it is using Korg's name which
> is a registered trademark which means I can't legally produce
> anything that has Korg in it. Other than that, I like it.
>
> I supposed this problem. We can use chinese marketing way, and write
> it like MiKork..-))
>
> Jozef
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hawkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:10 AM

Subject: [korgpolyex] The LFO's

I just realized I didn't really answer your original question.

There are now two LFO's. One is assigned to VCF and the other to the DCO's. So you can do what you're asking already. I will go back to the LFO's soon because I want to add some other features such as reverse delay. Meaning, the LFO comes on immediately but then stops when the delay time expires. Instead of as it is now where the delay time expires and then the LFO's kick in.

And also, I just have to put two new SLFO's in place to modulate along with the existing LFO's. I like slow sweeps.

And for LFO triangle and saw tooth waves we need to be able to set the initial sweep direction. So that, we can initially send it down or up according to the patch setting.

And I haven't synced the LFO's up to MIDI time code yet. But I definitely want to add that too. That might not be possible at all. I have to work that one out.

David Mochen <davidmochen@ hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello, Mike

 

Maybe this is pushing the envelòpe (pun intended) a little too far, but... given the fact that additional EGs are probably on their way... could there be a way to implement some sort of EG to the DCO's pitch, in the light of the accomplished feat of portamento? Or maybe, assigning EG to a specific LFo, so that we could have initial pitch up/down on DCOs for a determined amount of time, in order to create detuned attacks?

 

Also, I also wished for a "2.5" detune setting between 2 and 3... 3 is way detuned, but 2 could use some more detuning...

 

just a wild thought...

 

dave

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hawkins

To: korgpolyex@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:44 AM

Subject: [korgpolyex] Arpeggiator MIDI out - yes, of course

Hi Atom,

I will definitely be ensuring that the arpeggiator can send MIDI out. User selectable of course.

Mike.

Atom Smasher <atom@smasher. org> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> But longer term, the arp could be quite complex and programmable via
> sysex and something like jsynthlib could be used to build a nice GUI
> front end. It all comes down to time and brain cycles.
>
> In the short term, we should be able to get at least some of the Kawai
> ARP behavior into the Poly.
============ ===

cool.. and since not everyone has a k5000, maybe you can have the option
of sending the arpegiated notes to MIDI out...?

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> and back in the day I would midi a Casio CZ 101 (great complement to the
> Poly 800

>
> > I didn't know the sound was different in Europe.
> Is the air
> different? LOL
>
> No air, but ears..)
> >
> > Yes, the kit will be made available across as many
> countries as
> possible. Not exactly sure how I'll make it
> available to Antartica
> but the main continents should be OK.
>
> Thanks, so i have to obtain the kit before my moving
> to Antarctica...
>
> > The only problem with MiKorg is that it is using
> Korg's name which
> is a registered trademark which means I can't
> legally produce
> anything that has Korg in it. Other than that, I
> like it.
>
> I supposed this problem. We can use chinese
> marketing way, and write
> it like MiKork..-))
>
> Jozef
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Atom Smasher

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:14 PM

Subject: [OT] Casio CZ - was: Re: [korgpolyex] The LFO's

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, David Mochen wrote:

> and back in the day I would midi a Casio CZ 101 (great complement to the
> Poly 800
=========

i've still got a CZ-1... an amazingly underrated synth that compliments
pretty much anything... too bad it's all digital, so it can be bent but
not really modified in predictable ways. otherwise, my only complaint is
how big and heavy it is. can anyone recommend any rack-mount gear that
could take the place of a CZ-1?

and no, the VZ10m (or VZ8m) isn't quite a "CZ in a rack," it's more like a
cross between a casio CZ and a yamaha tx81z.

any suggestions welcome.

thanks...

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> Yes, the CZ series rules. I wish I could get some CZ in the near
> future... Atom, do you know if all non-CZ1 synths (CZ 101, 1000, 3000,
> 5000) respond to velocity?

----- Original Message -----

From: Atom Smasher

To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:01 PM

Subject: Re: [OT] Casio CZ - was: Re: [korgpolyex] The LFO's

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, David Mochen wrote:

> Yes, the CZ series rules. I wish I could get some CZ in the near
> future... Atom, do you know if all non-CZ1 synths (CZ 101, 1000, 3000,
> 5000) respond to velocity?
============ =======

AFAIK, only the mighty CZ-1 responds to velocity. it's a big heavy beast,
but you can find them for $100-200US.

what i'd pay for a CZ-10m... or a CZ-8m... if there was such a thing.

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, korgpolyex800 wrote:

> I've never worked with a random arpeggiator, so I would like to get some
> input from you all as to what modes there should be in random mode. One
> way of doing random could be to randomly switch octaves for each note
> that is held down. So if C#1 and G#4 notes are on then randomly choose
> C#1,2,3 or 4 and G#1,2,3 or 4. Does that make sense?
>
> What other random arpeggiate modes could there be?
============ ======

this covers pretty much everything that an arpeggiator could/should be -
http://optimolch. de/jens.groh/ K5000/GregWaltze r/egw/equipment/ k5000arp. htm

that should give you some ideas and inspiration, but i'd be surprised if
you find a way to implement more than the basics, given the 800's limited
UI. it may also be useful to go over the manual for the oberheim cyclone,
but i've never played with one of those.

http://www.lazyblue octopus.com/ Oberheim_ cyclone.pdf

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> I know I've asked you this before but I am looking for a decent MIDI
> controller on ebay, what was the controller you had?

>
> On Wed, 21 May 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>
> > I know I've asked you this before but I am looking for a decent

> > controller on ebay, what was the controller you had?
> ==============
>
> i use a peavy PC-1600x. check out the differences between the 1600

> 1600x, and the 1600 might do everything you need (such as testing

> on the 800mk3).
>

> BTW, the Behringer, unlike the JL Cooper and I think the Peavey, as
> well, has all its controller ranges stuck at 0-127. So that's kind of
> annoying when you've got parameters in a synth like the Poly 800 that go
> from 1-9, or whatever. With the Fadermaster (and like I said, the 1600,
> too I think), you can set the range of the fader to match the ranges of
> the synth's parameters.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "zoinky420" <zoinky420@...> wrote:
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 21 May 2008, Michael Hawkins wrote:
> >
> > > I know I've asked you this before but I am looking for a decent
> MIDI
> > > controller on ebay, what was the controller you had?
> > ==============
> >
> > i use a peavy PC-1600x. check out the differences between the 1600
> and the
> > 1600x, and the 1600 might do everything you need (such as testing
> the CCs
> > on the 800mk3).
> >
>
> The Peavey is the best, but it's also pricey (around $150). I picked
> up a JL Cooper Fadermaster for $50 off ebay a while ago, and while it
> only has half the faders of the Peavey, fewer configurations in ROM
> and RAM, and a single-digit LED rather than a backlit LCD screen, it
> still does everything I need it to, other than having only one patch
> memory for synths controlled by NRPN or SYSEX. (which is why I sure
> hope the Hawk's controls will use CC not NRPN!)
>
> There's also the knob-based Phat Boy and Doepfer Pocket Dial but I
> have no experience with them. Those are the 'originals' and used to
> be somewhat rare until virtual analog software became all the rage
> and every company started releasing external controller boxes.
> There's a Behringer one, BCR2000, which uses knobs and retails for
> $130-$150. It'd be nice if they had a cheaper version with fewer
> controls. BTW, the Behringer, unlike the JL Cooper and I think the
> Peavey, as well, has all its controller ranges stuck at 0-127. So
> that's kind of annoying when you've got parameters in a synth like
> the Poly 800 that go from 1-9, or whatever. With the Fadermaster
> (and like I said, the 1600, too I think), you can set the range of
> the fader to match the ranges of the synth's parameters.
>

>
> for testing out the 800mk3 software, i suspect that most/all of the
> controllers you mentioned would do the job.