Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

i just saw <http://www.cyndustries.com/modules_zero-osc.cfm> on AH... 
checked it out, scrolled down to the demos...

except for the percussion and multi-tracked stuff, it sounds to me an 
awful lot like an fm-800... except that an fm-800 doesn't cost $1K!!

the last sample (Stereo VZO) sounds like an fm-800 through a stereo phaser 
pedal. lemme check the math again...
 	fm-800 + stereo phaser < $1K

maybe an fm-800 ~can~ do some of those types of fm percussion... having an 
xd-5 means i don't think too much about it, and not having any time to 
play with my toys means i probably won't find out anytime soon.


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Hey Atom,

I love your mod's but I can't stand your politics. LOL

Anyway, I must admit the Zero Osc has capabilities that make it a very
professional device. Quadratures and phase shift and multiple
waveforms gives it a flexibility that is ably demonstrated by the
sound demo. I love the sweeps.

But I have to agree with you. Your mod is about the cheapest FM you
can get without actually buying a product designed with FM in it.

Now if I could just get back to the MKIII project, we might be able to
apply separate EG's to your mod's.

And, thinking about the TG's in the Poly. I think we could replace
them completely with digital samples coming out of ROM's just like the
DW 8000 etc. So we can stop worrying about the MSM5232 and just build
our own. And I've tried and tried to get my hands on one hundred or so
of the filter chips and have failed. So I am now considering designing
a new filter board too.

Just daydreaming again.

M.


--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
> i just saw <http://www.cyndustries.com/modules_zero-osc.cfm> on AH... 
> checked it out, scrolled down to the demos...
> 
> except for the percussion and multi-tracked stuff, it sounds to me an 
> awful lot like an fm-800... except that an fm-800 doesn't cost $1K!!
> 
> the last sample (Stereo VZO) sounds like an fm-800 through a stereo
phaser 
> pedal. lemme check the math again...
>  	fm-800 + stereo phaser < $1K
> 
> maybe an fm-800 ~can~ do some of those types of fm percussion...
having an 

> xd-5 means i don't think too much about it, and not having any time to 
> play with my toys means i probably won't find out anytime soon.
> 
> 
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> 
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>  	"Our freedoms are not under attack from the remnants
>  	 of Saddam Hussein's Baathist party, they're under
>  	 attack by the likes of John Ashcroft, they're trampled
>  	 by Donald Rumsfeld, they're disdained by Dick Cheney
>  	 and they're not even understood by George W. Bush."
>  		 -- Lt Col Dr Robert Bowman, Head of DoD during
>  		the "Star Wars Defense" system and combat pilot
>  		who flew 101 missions in Vietnam
>  		July 2005
>

Wavetable Poly-800?!?!?

Poly-WAVE?

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, patrioticduo wrote:

> Hey Atom,
>
> I love your mod's but I can't stand your politics. LOL
>
> Anyway, I must admit the Zero Osc has capabilities that make it a very
> professional device. Quadratures and phase shift and multiple
> waveforms gives it a flexibility that is ably demonstrated by the
> sound demo. I love the sweeps.
>
> But I have to agree with you. Your mod is about the cheapest FM you
> can get without actually buying a product designed with FM in it.
>
> Now if I could just get back to the MKIII project, we might be able to
> apply separate EG's to your mod's.
>
> And, thinking about the TG's in the Poly. I think we could replace
> them completely with digital samples coming out of ROM's just like the
> DW 8000 etc. So we can stop worrying about the MSM5232 and just build
> our own. And I've tried and tried to get my hands on one hundred or so
> of the filter chips and have failed. So I am now considering designing
> a new filter board too.
>
> Just daydreaming again.
>
> M.
>
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
> >
> > i just saw <http://www.cyndustries.com/modules_zero-osc.cfm> on AH...
> > checked it out, scrolled down to the demos...
> >
> > except for the percussion and multi-tracked stuff, it sounds to me an
> > awful lot like an fm-800... except that an fm-800 doesn't cost $1K!!
> >
> > the last sample (Stereo VZO) sounds like an fm-800 through a stereo
> phaser
> > pedal. lemme check the math again...
> >  	fm-800 + stereo phaser < $1K
> >
> > maybe an fm-800 ~can~ do some of those types of fm percussion...
> having an
> > xd-5 means i don't think too much about it, and not having any time to
> > play with my toys means i probably won't find out anytime soon.
> >
> >
> > --
> >          ...atom
> >
> >   ________________________
> >   http://atom.smasher.org/
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> >   -------------------------------------------------
> >
> >  	"Our freedoms are not under attack from the remnants
> >  	 of Saddam Hussein's Baathist party, they're under
> >  	 attack by the likes of John Ashcroft, they're trampled
> >  	 by Donald Rumsfeld, they're disdained by Dick Cheney
> >  	 and they're not even understood by George W. Bush."
> >  		 -- Lt Col Dr Robert Bowman, Head of DoD during
> >  		the "Star Wars Defense" system and combat pilot
> >  		who flew 101 missions in Vietnam
> >  		July 2005
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, patrioticduo wrote:

> But I have to agree with you. Your mod is about the cheapest FM you can 
> get without actually buying a product designed with FM in it.
=================

it's probably possible to find a DX-100 (or a TX-7, yech!!) for less than 
a stock poly/ex-800... but you just can't get anything close to the 
knob-tweaking analog mayhem that you'd get with the FM-800 and moog slayer 
mods.

i'm a big fan of the FS1R (arguably the best FM synth ever in mass 
production), but if not for the mods to my EX-800, i wouldn't have an 
EX-800. what it's good at (and good for), it's better at (and better for) 
than the FS1R.


> Now if I could just get back to the MKIII project, we might be able to 
> apply separate EG's to your mod's.
==================

or, to minimize the amount of hardware modification, you could emulate the 
FM-800 and moog slayer mods in software ;)



> And, thinking about the TG's in the Poly. I think we could replace them 
> completely with digital samples coming out of ROM's just like the DW 
> 8000 etc. So we can stop worrying about the MSM5232 and just build our 
> own. And I've tried and tried to get my hands on one hundred or so of 
> the filter chips and have failed. So I am now considering designing a 
> new filter board too.
=====================

at some point, you'll just have to design, build and distribute your own 
synth.



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Atom,

There's no way that your mod's could be simulated in software when the
processor is an 80C85 running at 2Mhz. It is kept quite busy handling
everything it already does in the Poly.

But there are really good low cost digital potentiometer chips out
there and I intend to put a whole bunch of them onto the new circuit
board. Each time we add a new mod, we populate one more chip onto the
board. Patch a few wires from the pot into the guts of the Poly main
board and we're done.

What I like about your FM mod is that it makes what is a classical
analog synth into a FM/analog hybrid that is digitally controlled.

I can't wait to apply an EG and MG to your FM mod.

Bye for now.

Mike.

 


--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, patrioticduo wrote:
> 
> > But I have to agree with you. Your mod is about the cheapest FM
you can 
> > get without actually buying a product designed with FM in it.
> =================
> 
> it's probably possible to find a DX-100 (or a TX-7, yech!!) for less
than 
> a stock poly/ex-800... but you just can't get anything close to the 
> knob-tweaking analog mayhem that you'd get with the FM-800 and moog
slayer 
> mods.
> 
> i'm a big fan of the FS1R (arguably the best FM synth ever in mass 
> production), but if not for the mods to my EX-800, i wouldn't have an 
> EX-800. what it's good at (and good for), it's better at (and better
for) 
> than the FS1R.
> 
> 
> > Now if I could just get back to the MKIII project, we might be
able to 
> > apply separate EG's to your mod's.
> ==================
> 
> or, to minimize the amount of hardware modification, you could
emulate the 
> FM-800 and moog slayer mods in software ;)
> 
> 
> 
> > And, thinking about the TG's in the Poly. I think we could replace
them 
> > completely with digital samples coming out of ROM's just like the DW 
> > 8000 etc. So we can stop worrying about the MSM5232 and just build
our 
> > own. And I've tried and tried to get my hands on one hundred or so of 
> > the filter chips and have failed. So I am now considering designing a 
> > new filter board too.
> =====================
> 
> at some point, you'll just have to design, build and distribute your
own 

> synth.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>          ...atom
> 
>   ________________________
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>   -------------------------------------------------
> 
>  	"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."
>  		-- Dick Cheney, 16 March 2003
>