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Just done a search and can't find the info, so... 

Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if these could be used? 

If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.

Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?


--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "jmp701" <jmp70@...> wrote:
>
> Just done a search and can't find the info, so... 
> 
> Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if these could be used? 
> 
> If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
>

�

Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "jmp701" wrote:
>
> Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
>
> Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if these could be used?
>
> If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
>

Thanks for the responses but they're out of stock at EPR: 

http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49

I've already replaced the backlight and was looking to replace just the LCD module (screen and PCB attached) as the characters are fading. 

I've now found some exact size (PCB and viewing area) new LCD modules, one supplied with a backlight, the others without. 16/2 lines and 5V voltage is the same but wouldn't know otherwise if compatible.... Does anyone know if LCD's supplied without backlights can be fitted with them (i.e. with the one I have currently) or do they generally not have the facility to insert a backlight if not originally supplied with one? 

The two I'm looking at are Trident Trimods1538STNLEDTFV (with backlight) or maybe AZ Displays ACM1602A Series (think this one is Sharp manufactured) without backlight. 

Cheers. 

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> EPR has them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, "Gil" <gilwe@...> wrote:
> 
> > Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?
> >
> > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "jmp701" <jmp70@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
> > >
> > > Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest  
> > I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty  
> > different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if  
> > these could be used?
> > >
> > > If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would  
> > appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
> > >
> >
> >
>

Thanks James, I've just tried a search at Crystal Fontz and there was no exact match but will email them the details.   

According to the EPR site, the EII display is the same as the SP12 and original grey cased SP1200, is that what you have? I've heard the 'Forat' name bounced about a few times now, where or how is he contactable? 

Thanks for your help. 


--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> Send the EPR pictures to the Crystal Fontz and maybe they can match it up
> with one of theirs.  I did that with my Emu Command Station and the LCD came
> out beautiful (blue back-lit with white letters, verses stock green).   A
> massive improvement over stock.  You may want to touch base with Forat
> also.   He has my SP1200 and he's fitting it with one of his blue LCD's in
> the 1200 now.  He did my last one, and it's a *huge* improvement over the
> 20+ years old LCD's.  And I think the the EII and 1200's lcd's are
> similar.   Or you can throw in a $30 foil from Telesis, but I wouldn't
> expect too much there.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM, jmp701 <jmp70@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the responses but they're out of stock at EPR:
> >
> > http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49
> >
> > I've already replaced the backlight and was looking to replace just the LCD
> > module (screen and PCB attached) as the characters are fading.
> >
> > I've now found some exact size (PCB and viewing area) new LCD modules, one
> > supplied with a backlight, the others without. 16/2 lines and 5V voltage is
> > the same but wouldn't know otherwise if compatible.... Does anyone know if
> > LCD's supplied without backlights can be fitted with them (i.e. with the one
> > I have currently) or do they generally not have the facility to insert a
> > backlight if not originally supplied with one?
> >
> > The two I'm looking at are Trident Trimods1538STNLEDTFV (with backlight) or
> > maybe AZ Displays ACM1602A Series (think this one is Sharp manufactured)
> > without backlight.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com <emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> > >
> > > EPR has them.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, "Gil" <gilwe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?
> > > >
> > > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com<emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "jmp701" <jmp70@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest
> > > > I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty
> > > > different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if
> > > > these could be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would
> > > > appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

www.forat.com

WT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jmp701" <jmp70@...>
To: <emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: [emulatorII-list] Re: EII LCD Display


> Thanks James, I've just tried a search at Crystal Fontz and there was no 
> exact match but will email them the details.
>
> According to the EPR site, the EII display is the same as the SP12 and 
> original grey cased SP1200, is that what you have? I've heard the 'Forat' 
> name bounced about a few times now, where or how is he contactable?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Send the EPR pictures to the Crystal Fontz and maybe they can match it up
>> with one of theirs.  I did that with my Emu Command Station and the LCD 
>> came
>> out beautiful (blue back-lit with white letters, verses stock green).   A
>> massive improvement over stock.  You may want to touch base with Forat
>> also.   He has my SP1200 and he's fitting it with one of his blue LCD's 
>> in
>> the 1200 now.  He did my last one, and it's a *huge* improvement over the
>> 20+ years old LCD's.  And I think the the EII and 1200's lcd's are
>> similar.   Or you can throw in a $30 foil from Telesis, but I wouldn't
>> expect too much there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM, jmp701 <jmp70@...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for the responses but they're out of stock at EPR:
>> >
>> > http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49
>> >
>> > I've already replaced the backlight and was looking to replace just the 
>> > LCD
>> > module (screen and PCB attached) as the characters are fading.
>> >
>> > I've now found some exact size (PCB and viewing area) new LCD modules, 
>> > one
>> > supplied with a backlight, the others without. 16/2 lines and 5V 
>> > voltage is
>> > the same but wouldn't know otherwise if compatible.... Does anyone know 
>> > if
>> > LCD's supplied without backlights can be fitted with them (i.e. with 
>> > the one
>> > I have currently) or do they generally not have the facility to insert 
>> > a
>> > backlight if not originally supplied with one?
>> >
>> > The two I'm looking at are Trident Trimods1538STNLEDTFV (with 
>> > backlight) or
>> > maybe AZ Displays ACM1602A Series (think this one is Sharp 
>> > manufactured)
>> > without backlight.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com 
>> > <emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> > James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > EPR has them.
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >
>> > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, "Gil" <gilwe@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In 
>> > > > emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com<emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> > "jmp701" <jmp70@> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest
>> > > > I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty
>> > > > different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if
>> > > > these could be used?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would
>> > > > appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
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Crystalfontz America, Inc., 12412 East Saltese Avenue Spokane Valley, WA 99216-0357
Tel: (509) 892-1200, Fax: (509) 892-1203, Toll Free: (888) 206-9720
sales@...

and

Forat.com

Bruce Forat used to build drum machines in the 80's and is responsible for the F9000 and F16 and a ton of other stuff.  He now mostly mods machines or repairs them and custom paint jobs.   I helped him do sysex dumps on his Prophet 10 till 5 in the morning a few weeks ago and then had to drive home 2.5 hours. Not your average friday night!

Let us know how it goes.  I want to replace one of my EII's display too.  There is room for improvement there I think.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, jmp701 <jmp70@....uk> wrote:

 

Thanks James, I've just tried a search at Crystal Fontz and there was no exact match but will email them the details.

According to the EPR site, the EII display is the same as the SP12 and original grey cased SP1200, is that what you have? I've heard the 'Forat' name bounced about a few times now, where or how is he contactable?

Thanks for your help.

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>

> Send the EPR pictures to the Crystal Fontz and maybe they can match it up
> with one of theirs. I did that with my Emu Command Station and the LCD came
> out beautiful (blue back-lit with white letters, verses stock green). A
> massive improvement over stock. You may want to touch base with Forat
> also. He has my SP1200 and he's fitting it with one of his blue LCD's in
> the 1200 now. He did my last one, and it's a *huge* improvement over the
> 20+ years old LCD's. And I think the the EII and 1200's lcd's are
> similar. Or you can throw in a $30 foil from Telesis, but I wouldn't
> expect too much there.
>
>
>

> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM, jmp701 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the responses but they're out of stock at EPR:
> >
> > http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49
> >
> > I've already replaced the backlight and was looking to replace just the LCD
> > module (screen and PCB attached) as the characters are fading.
> >
> > I've now found some exact size (PCB and viewing area) new LCD modules, one
> > supplied with a backlight, the others without. 16/2 lines and 5V voltage is
> > the same but wouldn't know otherwise if compatible.... Does anyone know if
> > LCD's supplied without backlights can be fitted with them (i.e. with the one
> > I have currently) or do they generally not have the facility to insert a
> > backlight if not originally supplied with one?
> >
> > The two I'm looking at are Trident Trimods1538STNLEDTFV (with backlight) or
> > maybe AZ Displays ACM1602A Series (think this one is Sharp manufactured)
> > without backlight.
> >;
> > Cheers.
> >

> > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,

> > James Ulibarri wrote:
> > >
> > > EPR has them.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, "Gil" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?
> > > >

> > > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>,

> > "jmp701" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest
> > > > I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty
> > > > different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if
>; > > > these could be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would
> > > > appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks for the replies. 

Right I've emailed all those suggested and will see what comes back. If no joy there, will approach a tech over here in UK about the right sized ones I've found over here to check compatibility (if possible). 

Will update to advise how it goes, if anyone has done the replacement in the meantime, would appreciate knowing what LCD was used. 

Cheers.

Well, Crystalfontz have replied quickly and are suggesting this: 

http://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAH1602A-YYH-JT

Outline dimensions match, viewing area very similar and with backlight. Same 5V voltage supply. $20 approx. ($50 ! with postage to UK). I need to confirm compatibility (?) as know little on electronics. Got a couple of contacts, will see what comes back. 
 

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> Forat charges $175 for the SP1200 LCD swap which includes the part and
> labor.  Now what he does in the inside is anyone's guess. I'm assuming
> tweaks to the
> inverter and maybe some resistor swaps to get the angle just right.   I
> figure it will be your most utilized part used on the machine so a good
> display is a must.
> A non-scratched and clean LCD section on the label helps too on the EII.
> 
> Also try www.backlight4you.com and Stefan could help you.  They have colors
> too other than green.  Glow Hut has colors also.  I think the Telesis units
> just
> use a gel which is hard to see when you have black/gray letters trying to
> come through.
> 
> Noritake's vacuum fluorescent LCD would be interesting too.   I think you
> would be paving new ground here if you pull this off!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:28 AM, <brandt@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > While I have never met Bruce Forat in person, he was extremely cordial and
> > knowledgeable when I sent him my LinnDrum for repair. His services are not
> > cheap, though (he's among the most expensive techs I've dealt with over the
> > years), so you may want to keep that in mind if you end up purchasing
> > anything from him.
> >
> >
> > On Mon Oct 18 1:58 , James Ulibarri sent:
> >
> >
> >
> > Crystalfontz America, Inc., 12412 East Saltese Avenue Spokane Valley, WA
> > 99216-0357
> > Tel: (509) 892-1200, Fax: (509) 892-1203, Toll Free: (888) 206-9720
> > sales@...
> >
> > and
> >
> > Forat.com
> >
> > Bruce Forat used to build drum machines in the 80's and is responsible for
> > the F9000 and F16 and a ton of other stuff.  He now mostly mods machines or
> > repairs them and custom paint jobs.   I helped him do sysex dumps on his
> > Prophet 10 till 5 in the morning a few weeks ago and then had to drive home
> > 2.5 hours. Not your average friday night!
> >
> > Let us know how it goes.  I want to replace one of my EII's display too.
> > There is room for improvement there I think.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, jmp701 <jmp70@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks James, I've just tried a search at Crystal Fontz and there was no
> >> exact match but will email them the details.
> >>
> >> According to the EPR site, the EII display is the same as the SP12 and
> >> original grey cased SP1200, is that what you have? I've heard the 'Forat'
> >> name bounced about a few times now, where or how is he contactable?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
> >> >
> >>  > Send the EPR pictures to the Crystal Fontz and maybe they can match it
> >> up
> >> > with one of theirs. I did that with my Emu Command Station and the LCD
> >> came
> >> > out beautiful (blue back-lit with white letters, verses stock green). A
> >> > massive improvement over stock. You may want to touch base with Forat
> >> > also. He has my SP1200 and he's fitting it with one of his blue LCD's in
> >> > the 1200 now. He did my last one, and it's a *huge* improvement over the
> >> > 20+ years old LCD's. And I think the the EII and 1200's lcd's are
> >> > similar. Or you can throw in a $30 foil from Telesis, but I wouldn't
> >> > expect too much there.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>  > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM, jmp701 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for the responses but they're out of stock at EPR:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49
> >> > >
> >> > > I've already replaced the backlight and was looking to replace just
> >> the LCD
> >> > > module (screen and PCB attached) as the characters are fading.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've now found some exact size (PCB and viewing area) new LCD modules,
> >> one
> >> > > supplied with a backlight, the others without. 16/2 lines and 5V
> >> voltage is
> >> > > the same but wouldn't know otherwise if compatible.... Does anyone
> >> know if
> >> > > LCD's supplied without backlights can be fitted with them (i.e. with
> >> the one
> >> > > I have currently) or do they generally not have the facility to insert
> >> a
> >> > > backlight if not originally supplied with one?
> >> > >
> >> > > The two I'm looking at are Trident Trimods1538STNLEDTFV (with
> >> backlight) or
> >> > > maybe AZ Displays ACM1602A Series (think this one is Sharp
> >> manufactured)
> >> > > without backlight.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers.
> >> > >
> >>  > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> >>
> >> > > James Ulibarri wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > EPR has them.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, "Gil" wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?
> >> > > > >
> >>  > > > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>,
> >>
> >> > > "jmp701" wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest
> >> > > > > I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty
> >> > > > > different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if
> >> > > > > these could be used?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would
> >> > > > > appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
>

OK, response from Bruce Forat: 


'The ones that we use have LED backlight (Blue/ White text) same as what you see offered for the SP1200 on our site at www.forat.com/service however they are not direct replacements and require mods. There's someone selling the original SP1200 displays on eBay and I think it should work on the EII as well':

http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-EMU-SP1200-SP-1200-SP-1200-Replacement-Display-/290475275179?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a1acf3ab


$104 is steep but attempting to clarify the make/model of these with the seller. Also found someone in UK that appears to have replaced theirs and will update if/when further details come back. 




--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "jmp701" <jmp70@...> wrote:
>
> Well, Crystalfontz have replied quickly and are suggesting this: 
> 
> http://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAH1602A-YYH-JT
> 
> Outline dimensions match, viewing area very similar and with backlight. Same 5V voltage supply. $20 approx. ($50 ! with postage to UK). I need to confirm compatibility (?) as know little on electronics. Got a couple of contacts, will see what comes back. 
>  
> 
> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> >
> > Forat charges $175 for the SP1200 LCD swap which includes the part and
> > labor.  Now what he does in the inside is anyone's guess. I'm assuming
> > tweaks to the
> > inverter and maybe some resistor swaps to get the angle just right.   I
> > figure it will be your most utilized part used on the machine so a good
> > display is a must.
> > A non-scratched and clean LCD section on the label helps too on the EII.
> > 
> > Also try www.backlight4you.com and Stefan could help you.  They have colors
> > too other than green.  Glow Hut has colors also.  I think the Telesis units
> > just
> > use a gel which is hard to see when you have black/gray letters trying to
> > come through.
> > 
> > Noritake's vacuum fluorescent LCD would be interesting too.   I think you
> > would be paving new ground here if you pull this off!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:28 AM, <brandt@> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > While I have never met Bruce Forat in person, he was extremely cordial and
> > > knowledgeable when I sent him my LinnDrum for repair. His services are not
> > > cheap, though (he's among the most expensive techs I've dealt with over the
> > > years), so you may want to keep that in mind if you end up purchasing
> > > anything from him.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon Oct 18 1:58 , James Ulibarri sent:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Crystalfontz America, Inc., 12412 East Saltese Avenue Spokane Valley, WA
> > > 99216-0357
> > > Tel: (509) 892-1200, Fax: (509) 892-1203, Toll Free: (888) 206-9720
> > > sales@
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > Forat.com
> > >
> > > Bruce Forat used to build drum machines in the 80's and is responsible for
> > > the F9000 and F16 and a ton of other stuff.  He now mostly mods machines or
> > > repairs them and custom paint jobs.   I helped him do sysex dumps on his
> > > Prophet 10 till 5 in the morning a few weeks ago and then had to drive home
> > > 2.5 hours. Not your average friday night!
> > >
> > > Let us know how it goes.  I want to replace one of my EII's display too.
> > > There is room for improvement there I think.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, jmp701 <jmp70@> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks James, I've just tried a search at Crystal Fontz and there was no
> > >> exact match but will email them the details.
> > >>
> > >> According to the EPR site, the EII display is the same as the SP12 and
> > >> original grey cased SP1200, is that what you have? I've heard the 'Forat'
> > >> name bounced about a few times now, where or how is he contactable?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your help.
> > >>
> > >> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
> > >> >
> > >>  > Send the EPR pictures to the Crystal Fontz and maybe they can match it
> > >> up
> > >> > with one of theirs. I did that with my Emu Command Station and the LCD
> > >> came
> > >> > out beautiful (blue back-lit with white letters, verses stock green). A
> > >> > massive improvement over stock. You may want to touch base with Forat
> > >> > also. He has my SP1200 and he's fitting it with one of his blue LCD's in
> > >> > the 1200 now. He did my last one, and it's a *huge* improvement over the
> > >> > 20+ years old LCD's. And I think the the EII and 1200's lcd's are
> > >> > similar. Or you can throw in a $30 foil from Telesis, but I wouldn't
> > >> > expect too much there.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>  > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM, jmp701 wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks for the responses but they're out of stock at EPR:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I've already replaced the backlight and was looking to replace just
> > >> the LCD
> > >> > > module (screen and PCB attached) as the characters are fading.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I've now found some exact size (PCB and viewing area) new LCD modules,
> > >> one
> > >> > > supplied with a backlight, the others without. 16/2 lines and 5V
> > >> voltage is
> > >> > > the same but wouldn't know otherwise if compatible.... Does anyone
> > >> know if
> > >> > > LCD's supplied without backlights can be fitted with them (i.e. with
> > >> the one
> > >> > > I have currently) or do they generally not have the facility to insert
> > >> a
> > >> > > backlight if not originally supplied with one?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The two I'm looking at are Trident Trimods1538STNLEDTFV (with
> > >> backlight) or
> > >> > > maybe AZ Displays ACM1602A Series (think this one is Sharp
> > >> manufactured)
> > >> > > without backlight.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Cheers.
> > >> > >
> > >>  > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > >>
> > >> > > James Ulibarri wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > EPR has them.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, "Gil" wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?
> > >> > > > >
> > >>  > > > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>,
> > >>
> > >> > > "jmp701" wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII? Closest
> > >> > > > > I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have slighlty
> > >> > > > > different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not sure if
> > >> > > > > these could be used?
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would
> > >> > > > > appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

That $5 Ebay one is the wrong size, PCB outline and viewing area:   

Original is 84 X 44 X 11 mm outline, 61 X 15.80 mm viewing area. 

I've just been told somewhere else also that the old LCD's were Hitachi HM44780 but replacing with a modern Powertip one of the same size was NOT straightforward but worked eventually with some knowledgeable tinkering and modding.     

Think this is a project too complex for me, short of maybe buying the $104 original SP1200 one, although still not sure if exactly same model as the EII for a straight swap. Seller cannot confirm.... 

Anyway, good luck with yours James, let us know if you discover an easy swap solution in your spare EII ;)


--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>
> That guy on Ebay jacked up his price from $22 to $69. I've watched that
> auction.    I still think your Crystal Fontz idea was the best.  That
> definately looked like it was gonna fit.  I like the blue version of the one
> Crystal Fonts LCD.
> 
> http://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAG14432CTMITT.html
> 
> $30 instead of the green for $22
> 
> But that $5 one on Ebay looks good too.   I purchased one of these smaller
> blue $5 units from China too and have not installed it in my Yamaha TX-7
> module or had it done.  But I have seen the $5 in person and it was
> perfectly fine.  No complaints.  Expect a month delivery though.
> (seriously)
> 
> I have a spare EII that I cannot get to work right now after the PSU was
> re-capped and every IC reseated.  So I could try having some of these
> installed in that unit before messing anything up in my EII+ that runs like
> a top.
> 
> So the EII doesn't have a backlight lead on it from factory?  One of my
> techs did my Command Station and he tapped into something or reversed a
> ribbon wire and it fired right up with contrast control and everything.  So
> I think all this is purely experimental.   You just gotta try it until one
> of us figures out the exact unit that will work.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM, jmp701 <jmp70@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > OK, response from Bruce Forat:
> >
> > 'The ones that we use have LED backlight (Blue/ White text) same as what
> > you see offered for the SP1200 on our site at www.forat.com/servicehowever they are not direct replacements and require mods. There's someone
> > selling the original SP1200 displays on eBay and I think it should work on
> > the EII as well':
> >
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/E-MU-EMU-SP1200-SP-1200-SP-1200-Replacement-Display-/290475275179?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a1acf3ab
> >
> > $104 is steep but attempting to clarify the make/model of these with the
> > seller. Also found someone in UK that appears to have replaced theirs and
> > will update if/when further details come back.
> >
> > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com <emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "jmp701" <jmp70@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, Crystalfontz have replied quickly and are suggesting this:
> > >
> > > http://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAH1602A-YYH-JT
> > >
> > > Outline dimensions match, viewing area very similar and with backlight.
> > Same 5V voltage supply. $20 approx. ($50 ! with postage to UK). I need to
> > confirm compatibility (?) as know little on electronics. Got a couple of
> > contacts, will see what comes back.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com<emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Forat charges $175 for the SP1200 LCD swap which includes the part and
> > > > labor. Now what he does in the inside is anyone's guess. I'm assuming
> > > > tweaks to the
> > > > inverter and maybe some resistor swaps to get the angle just right. I
> > > > figure it will be your most utilized part used on the machine so a good
> > > > display is a must.
> > > > A non-scratched and clean LCD section on the label helps too on the
> > EII.
> > > >
> > > > Also try www.backlight4you.com and Stefan could help you. They have
> > colors
> > > > too other than green. Glow Hut has colors also. I think the Telesis
> > units
> > > > just
> > > > use a gel which is hard to see when you have black/gray letters trying
> > to
> > > > come through.
> > > >
> > > > Noritake's vacuum fluorescent LCD would be interesting too. I think you
> > > > would be paving new ground here if you pull this off!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:28 AM, <brandt@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > While I have never met Bruce Forat in person, he was extremely
> > cordial and
> > > > > knowledgeable when I sent him my LinnDrum for repair. His services
> > are not
> > > > > cheap, though (he's among the most expensive techs I've dealt with
> > over the
> > > > > years), so you may want to keep that in mind if you end up purchasing
> > > > > anything from him.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon Oct 18 1:58 , James Ulibarri sent:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Crystalfontz America, Inc., 12412 East Saltese Avenue Spokane Valley,
> > WA
> > > > > 99216-0357
> > > > > Tel: (509) 892-1200, Fax: (509) 892-1203, Toll Free: (888) 206-9720
> > > > > sales@
> > > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > >
> > > > > Forat.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce Forat used to build drum machines in the 80's and is
> > responsible for
> > > > > the F9000 and F16 and a ton of other stuff. He now mostly mods
> > machines or
> > > > > repairs them and custom paint jobs. I helped him do sysex dumps on
> > his
> > > > > Prophet 10 till 5 in the morning a few weeks ago and then had to
> > drive home
> > > > > 2.5 hours. Not your average friday night!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let us know how it goes. I want to replace one of my EII's display
> > too.
> > > > > There is room for improvement there I think.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, jmp701 <jmp70@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks James, I've just tried a search at Crystal Fontz and there
> > was no
> > > > >> exact match but will email them the details.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> According to the EPR site, the EII display is the same as the SP12
> > and
> > > > >> original grey cased SP1200, is that what you have? I've heard the
> > 'Forat'
> > > > >> name bounced about a few times now, where or how is he contactable?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks for your help.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com<emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > James Ulibarri wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Send the EPR pictures to the Crystal Fontz and maybe they can
> > match it
> > > > >> up
> > > > >> > with one of theirs. I did that with my Emu Command Station and the
> > LCD
> > > > >> came
> > > > >> > out beautiful (blue back-lit with white letters, verses stock
> > green). A
> > > > >> > massive improvement over stock. You may want to touch base with
> > Forat
> > > > >> > also. He has my SP1200 and he's fitting it with one of his blue
> > LCD's in
> > > > >> > the 1200 now. He did my last one, and it's a *huge* improvement
> > over the
> > > > >> > 20+ years old LCD's. And I think the the EII and 1200's lcd's are
> > > > >> > similar. Or you can throw in a $30 foil from Telesis, but I
> > wouldn't
> > > > >> > expect too much there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM, jmp701 wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Thanks for the responses but they're out of stock at EPR:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I've already replaced the backlight and was looking to replace
> > just
> > > > >> the LCD
> > > > >> > > module (screen and PCB attached) as the characters are fading.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I've now found some exact size (PCB and viewing area) new LCD
> > modules,
> > > > >> one
> > > > >> > > supplied with a backlight, the others without. 16/2 lines and 5V
> > > > >> voltage is
> > > > >> > > the same but wouldn't know otherwise if compatible.... Does
> > anyone
> > > > >> know if
> > > > >> > > LCD's supplied without backlights can be fitted with them (i.e.
> > with
> > > > >> the one
> > > > >> > > I have currently) or do they generally not have the facility to
> > insert
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> > > backlight if not originally supplied with one?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > The two I'm looking at are Trident Trimods1538STNLEDTFV (with
> > > > >> backlight) or
> > > > >> > > maybe AZ Displays ACM1602A Series (think this one is Sharp
> > > > >> manufactured)
> > > > >> > > without backlight.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Cheers.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com<emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > James Ulibarri wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > EPR has them.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, "Gil" wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Do you need the entire circuit or only the backlight ?
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com<emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>
> > >,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > "jmp701" wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Just done a search and can't find the info, so...
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Anyone know of an available replacement LCD for the EII?
> > Closest
> > > > >> > > > > I've found to the original Optrex DMC-16207N-EB have
> > slighlty
> > > > >> > > > > different outline sizes and viewing areas (by mm) and not
> > sure if
> > > > >> > > > > these could be used?
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > If anyone has been able to replace one successfully, would
> > > > >> > > > > appreciate details of what LCD module they used. Cheers.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
> Now regarding the blue, part number # CFA1602A-TMI-JT , if
> someone wants that (me !), would have to be built by their
> factory in China. And they said they could integrate a custom
> resistor on board of the LCD for our EII's, to avoid the EII are
> blowing the back light out.
> 
> There is an 8 week lead time for the blue units if someone wants
> those. I sure do. Two months will fly by like nothing so I am not 
> put off about that. But we have to order 10 minimum.

Hey James,
Please keep us posted. If you and Tim get this worked out to the point that its a drop-in replacement, we could organize a group buy. If the cost for ten units is as stated at Crystal Fontz, Id be in for two.

PS: I think blue text with a black background would be nice too: http://tinyurl.com/294p485

-Hex

I saw Alan last night in SF, the show was awesome! I heard Martin  is going to be at the LA show so that's gonna probably be even better.   Wish I could make it.  Funny only piece of old gear I saw last night was a MS-20. Guess the days of live EIIs are long gone....a MacBook Pro is much more reliable for live:) although I did notice the IT Guy having to restart systems a few times during the show, looks like they where running off batteries somone forgot to plug in the old power adapters! 

James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ok.  I am picking up my EII today from the tech downtown.   Unfortunately no
>success on this unit after the PSU being recapped and every IC
>reseated and Molex connectors sprayed with Deoxit.   Still not booting
>fully.   But the Crystal Fontz LCD will be here mid week from Seattle and
>the EII labels
>are almost done too.  I'm keeping that on the DL till I see the first
>prototype this week.  I'm just using this EII as "test unit" for now on the
>LCD and label.
>On a positive note, I am getting my LeCover vinyl cover for my EII+ signed
>by Alan Wilder tomorrow!   He's gonna be in town for the Recoil performance.
>
>I'm stoked.  Maybe I can ask him if he still uses his EII still.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:29 AM, hexafuzz <gclip@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com <emulatorII-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
>> > Now regarding the blue, part number # CFA1602A-TMI-JT , if
>> > someone wants that (me !), would have to be built by their
>> > factory in China. And they said they could integrate a custom
>> > resistor on board of the LCD for our EII's, to avoid the EII are
>> > blowing the back light out.
>> >
>> > There is an 8 week lead time for the blue units if someone wants
>> > those. I sure do. Two months will fly by like nothing so I am not
>> > put off about that. But we have to order 10 minimum.
>>
>> Hey James,
>> Please keep us posted. If you and Tim get this worked out to the point that
>> its a drop-in replacement, we could organize a group buy. If the cost for
>> ten units is as stated at Crystal Fontz, Id be in for two.
>>
>> PS: I think blue text with a black background would be nice too:
>> http://tinyurl.com/294p485
>>
>> -Hex
>>
>>  
>>

That's incredibly cool!
What a moment!!